[SMOKING] Now official: ALLOWED again in (small) Dutch pubs

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
19/01/2011 11:13

Just announced on Dutch national radio: the Dutch Government will revise the anti-smoke law (restaurants, pubs etc). Smoking will be allowed again in small pubs when the owner (without paid staff) serves the customers. At the entrance of such pubs (cafees or café's in Dutch) there must be a sign: "Smoking is allowed here" (or similar wording).

Good. The anti-smoke tyrants have lost one battle.

The anti-smoke tyrants are losing in other places also: people are smoking in more than 50% of the (big) Dutch pubs again although that is not allowed.

It is expected that the end will be smoking and non-smoking pubs (not yet the restaurants, which I agree) all over the country. It's only fair - as long as cigarettes are sold everybody should have a choice where to smoke them. Including pubs.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
19/01/2011 11:14

Forgot to add: I hope and think it will only be a matter of time before the TRNC government will act the same way... Give people a choice!

BoTanica


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Message Posted:
19/01/2011 12:20

That is very good news!! People should be able to choose and maybe the new rules will stop the closure of the smaller establishments - I know many friends (smokers) in England no longer bother going out because of having to stand in the freezing cold if they want a smoke!

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
19/01/2011 12:27

This legislation needs to be introduced and enacted everywhere!

MarkVPiazza


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Message Posted:
19/01/2011 13:23

I was in a cafe by the central train station in Brussels on Monday, where many of the customers were smoking inside.



I guess this must be a new EU rule

TimothyCadman


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Message Posted:
19/01/2011 13:42

A pub with no paid staff? Do they exist? I don't really see this a major change to the legislation, or even a dent to it.

For those who flout the law and smoke where they are not allowed too, then I'm sure that after 2 or 3 high profile court cases, or 'on the spot' fines, with real pocket hitting fines, they will give up their cigarettes.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
19/01/2011 13:53

RE msg 6, TimothyCadman: (...) A pub with no paid staff? Do they exist? (...)

▶ Yes, they do exist and plenty of them (I speak for Holland). Why can the non-smokers in general not accept the introduction of smoking and non-smoking pubs (café's/cafees)? That way we'd all be happy.

wanderer


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Message Posted:
19/01/2011 15:16

Poland is part of the EU last January I went to Krakow and smoking was allowed in specified areas

it was quite warm at the time -6c but the normal -20c would no doubt kill the smokers with hyper -thermia

in 2008 the smoking ban was in fill force in scotland and a bar i was in had a specific smoking room within the bar in Princes street

Common sense needs to be used its more like prohibition in the states for smokers

It is one of the major factors that has destroyed the British pub

I am not a smoker

Scoty


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Message Posted:
19/01/2011 16:33

Believe the airport lifted the non smoking a while ago. You can smoke at the back of the irish pub, another bar upstairs and now another 2 or 3 enclosed areas are open. Paris has at least 2 smoking areas as far as i know. also, if you can smoke in Ataturk, maybe, just maybe ercan will start again.

LooseBoots



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Message Posted:
19/01/2011 18:40

At the risk of being shot down in flames about smokers choice or non smokers choice I would like to thank all the smokers in the TRNC for flouting the law.



You are saving me a fortune as have taken your advice and voted with my feet.

racoonchic



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Message Posted:
19/01/2011 18:57

i walked out of a turkish resturant today when the other customers lit up inside. the police were gettin a takeaway at the time and nothing was said to anyone.. i hope you all need a mask and a bottle to survive your final years AND THEN MAYBE IT WILL HIT HOME WHAT NON SMOKERS HAVE TO endure just to BREATHE fresh air.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
19/01/2011 19:10

Racoon... is that why you want a helmet?

LaptaMike


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Message Posted:
19/01/2011 19:40

racoon, smokers smoke because of a lifestyle choice. If I want to smoke I will do. I at least show consideration for other people like smoking outside when at a restaurant. It's smoking nazis that get on my nerves by wanting the best of both worlds, a smoke free environment inside during the winter and a smoke free environment outside during the summer. If I am sat on a bench outside smoking, if you don't like it don't sit next to me. Of course it's not that simple, non-smokers have to have a go and give evils. With non-smokers and ex-smokers especially there is no leeway.

LaptaMike


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Message Posted:
19/01/2011 19:45

Hans, I wonder if that means you can a have a spliff with tobacco in it now in small 'coffee shops' Not into it myself just wondering as a casual observer of things.

racoonchic



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Message Posted:
19/01/2011 19:49

whats a spliff

philbailey


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Message Posted:
19/01/2011 20:33

everyone should have achoice next is alcohol here in uk what next

Groucho



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Message Posted:
20/01/2011 14:32

Phil,



The very slight difference is that the person drinking next to you does not, under normal circumstances, affect your health adversely...



This 'what's next' argument is often trolled out to defend smoker's rights. It doesn't really have any merit when looked into more deeply. The same as the argument that government's need to tax cigarettes to get revenue...

If ciggies didn't exist they'd just find something else to tax.

waddo


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Message Posted:
20/01/2011 16:41

Groucho, agree with you that the person drinking next to you does not, under normal circumstances, affect my health adversely. Its the phrase "under normal circumstances" that is the killer there - what is normal and what is not and when is it that the person drinking becomes the drunk driver? Just a thought.



Another and bigger thought is this - "often trolled out to defend smoker's rights" what rights would those be please?



Interested to know if the smoker has the same "rights" as the non-smoker.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
20/01/2011 19:55

The smoker does not have the right to pollute the air being breathed by anybody... non-smokers have the same lack of right.

What about the drunk driver who crashes because he's too pissed to light his fag safely? Please don't confuse smokers with people who obey driving regulations... They are just as likely to have drink-driving problems, if not more so as smoking is just anther distraction whilst driving drunk or not....

splinters24hr


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Message Posted:
20/01/2011 23:13

Just an observation but those that complain about cigarette smoke are quite happy to breath in smoke from car exhaust fumes which contain far deadlier levels and carcinogins, they are quite happy to themselves pollute the atmosphere at will, and think not for others whilst doing so.



So next time you see a car smoking (your own) why dont you try and castigate yourself and think before trying to persecute someone else's lifestyle choice. But then I guess you are happy to breathe exhaust fumes without complaint.

Middle Easter


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Message Posted:
21/01/2011 00:27

It never ceases to amaze me how people who smoke are clever enough to articulate all the reasons why they should be allowed to smoke in public places, fail to recognise (or are foolish enough to accept) that a long, slow but premature death is statistically more likely to 'meet' them....a sobering thought!

Groucho



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Message Posted:
21/01/2011 07:22

splinters24hr

Ha ha you've fallen into the same trap as all the other smokers... using false logic to justify damaging the health and well being of others.

The reason your car argument does not hold water is that statistically smokers are more likely to be drivers than non-smokers who, because they don't get short of breath when taking nothing more than a short stroll are more likely to walk to the shops and won't be making the trip just to buy some fags!

If smokers didn't also drive your argument might hold water... but what negative impact activity do smokers not partake in? I can't think of a single vice that smokers give up to counterbalance their habit... can you?

But hey, you just carry on fooling yourself and those who want to hear reasons why they should continue to be martyrs to the cause of personal freedoms. To me the biggest problem in all this is letting kids see you smoke yourselves to death whilst they put up with your smoke.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/01/2011 09:50

If 1/3 of a population smokes - why wouldn't they have the right of having 1/3 of the pubs be "smoking allowed pubs"?

hattikins


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Message Posted:
21/01/2011 10:20

If people want to smoke that's, fine but please not near me. I am an ex smoker who stopped when I had a heart attack, I have not touched a ciggie since that day and think anyone who has or has had heart problems and still smokes is off their rocker.

As for special areas for smokers, what if you are in the company of non smokers, do you sit seperately all evening, just pop outside if you want a smoke, it's usually warm enough here.

LooseBoots



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Message Posted:
21/01/2011 10:27

Re msg 13. It is all about consideration. If I was already sat on the bench then you sat down and lit up blowing smoke my way . Would you care? Most smokers would not.



I for one , as I have always said, do not begrudge smokers their fag, just asking for a little consideration, and don`t blow it over me.



Or at least have the courtesy to ask if I mind if the smoke is coming my way in close quarters.

ClaireCat44



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Posts: 739

Message Posted:
21/01/2011 11:17

One of the warmest places to smoke in the winter is Girne police station, and they give you coffee too! You don't have to have done anything wrong (!), just go in with a query about something.

goldheart666


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Message Posted:
22/01/2011 15:26

do you think that it is a good idea to go to the police station only to smoke,clairecat44?

Groucho



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Message Posted:
22/01/2011 15:30

Men in uniform.... SNM Squire SNM

ClaireCat44



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Message Posted:
22/01/2011 16:51

Was there to make a complaint about something and while i was waiting i was told i could smoke if i wanted, and was offered a nescafe. I didnt go just to smoke (?!)

goldheart666


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Message Posted:
22/01/2011 17:20

do your husband allow you to smoke inside?

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
22/01/2011 17:36

We were in a local hostelry last night and smoking was allowed in a certain corner of the bar. I personally had 1 cigarette inside and then I felt guilty and went outside! It actually dawned on me that yes as smokers we do have rights BUT why should anyone else have to put up with the smell on their clothes of smoke because of me.



What we do in our own home is different and if we choose to smoke, guests appreciate this but in public it should be different.



Chris



p.s. For those that know me it was not JK's or Guido's as they are both very anti-smoking inside.

goldheart666


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Message Posted:
23/01/2011 16:24

yes but if you are a smoker and your husband is not a smoker?if you want to smoke inside in this cold weather what are you supposed to do?

phylray



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Message Posted:
23/01/2011 17:29

It's not so much the smell on your clothes that bothers us as what we have to inhale into our lungs!

Especially those of us who have any bronchial problems.

Rottolover



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Posts: 519

Message Posted:
23/01/2011 19:50

Hi nurseawful,



I've been very interested to read a large number of your excellent posts on a range of health issues for some time now, and must confess to being quite shocked to read that you are a smoker.



I wonder whether you would be good enough to explain how you reconcile your professional concerns with your smoking habit?

ClaireCat44



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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 10:27

Message 30. A bit of a personal question (!) but I smoke where I want, as long as it's not a no-smoking area.

goldheart666


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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 11:54

it is your personal idea but it is not fear and it sounds not a good respect to your husband.sorry.

ClaireCat44



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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 12:04

I'm sorry but where I smoke is no concern of my husbands. Do I need his permission to smoke? Do I need his permission to go anywhere (during the day)? For example, if I go to a cafe (which provides a comfortable, covered and heated outdoor area for smokers) at 10 o'clock on a Tuesday morning, do I need his to get his permission first? What would you rather? That I stayed in the house?

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 12:15

Msg 34,



Health workers are people too and as such have a choice, my first wife was a nurse and she smoked in fact when I look back on that period more of her co workers smoked than did not that includes doctors too.



Can you please explain why you think that thier profession should have any bearing on thier personal decision to smoke or not to smoke.

goldheart666


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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 12:26

if you are interested with that cafe so much you can go any time you want,you dont need to get his permission and if you dont care him you can also smoke inside,it depends on your relationship

ClaireCat44



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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 12:30

Sounds good. I will smoke inside and he can go and smoke outside in the garden. Is that what you are saying?

goldheart666


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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 12:41

it is all about your relationship,i dont care.

ClaireCat44



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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 12:44

Well then, leave me alone!

Rottolover



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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 12:55

TheSaints, if I really need to explain to you why working as a committed health professional should have a bearing on whether to smoke or not, then you must have missed the proven relationship between smoking and cancer that has occupied health professionals for the past 30 or so years...



Perhaps you could go off and read one of your ex-wife's cigarette packets.

goldheart666


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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 12:58

i have no idea what are you talking about,just have a notice,i am not interested with you.i dont know who you are and i dont want to know about you.it is all about a discussion.

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 13:44

Rotto



If I need to explain to you that a person has the right to choose no matter what thier profession then maybe you should learn to be more tolerant of thier rights and stop letting your own predjudices cloud the facts.



Smoking is not the only contributing facter to cancer there are many others, there are more smokers that do not contract cancer than do this is also a proven fact.



Perhaps you could dismount from your high horse and respect other peoples right to choose.

dizzycows


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Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
24/01/2011 14:20

Reading every ones replies to each other its gone off track a bit so will do so myself...



Didn't you give up smoking nurseawful back along? just asking, not getting at you, just wondered?

Rottolover



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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 16:13

TheSaints, I'm just wondering where on earth in my original question (to nurseawful, just by the way...) I made any comment in any way distantly related to peoples' right to choose? I've re-read it and still can't see it...



You must be a very clever man, to be able to judge someone you've never met and come to such definite conclusions about them.



You seem to make a habit of coming in to a thread and posting some inane, unrelated but unpleasant comment about something which had nothing to do with you in the first place.



Try to give it up...it's bad for your health.

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 16:58

Rotto



"You must be a very clever man, to be able to judge someone you've never met and come to such definite conclusions about them.

You seem to make a habit of coming in to a thread and posting some inane, unrelated but unpleasant comment about something which had nothing to do with you in the first place.

That is strange as that is exactly how I would describe your attitude on many occaision on this board and when replying my posts which I may add have never been directed at you.



As for your advice "Try to give it up...it's bad for your health" I will ignore that as I have no fear for my health in this instance.

Rottolover



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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 17:14

I'm pleased you're in good health, TheSaints...I guess you're not a smoker then?

TheSaints



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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 17:26

Thank you for your concern Rotto, you guess correctly at this moment in time I am having yet another go at kicking the habit but this time for the right reason and that reason being it just no longer gives me the pleasure it used to so time to stop, as I no longer find it pleasurable it is easier this time to abstain and I am not missing them at all.

gardenmaker


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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 17:54

you been smoking puff for years no one cares boring

gromit


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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 18:14

There is an EU wide backlash against the draconian anti smoking regulations taking place.



Many Countries are now flouting these laws as a result of lost jobs and businesses.



Was it just one 'politically correct' step too far?



In my GP Surgery or Local General many 'committed health professionals', especially the women, are overweight to the point of obesity. I have seen many nurses smoking outside hospitals.

I have read that Doctors are still up near the top of the League Tables for Alcohol abuse.



Are A&E Depts stacked out with 'smoking related' admissions at weekends?



Are there any stats for road accidents, injuries or deaths that are 'smoking related'?





The UK receives more than twice the revenue from tobacco than the cost of smoking related healthcare costs.



Thats after they have raised tobacco duty to the point that it is estimated black market tobacco is evading another £2-4bn a year in revenue.



A more measured approach to smoking is required.

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 18:42

If you want too smoke yourself to death well do it, just don't keep harping on about why every one else should have your daft statistics rammed down their throat to appease your habit.



A more measured approach to smoking is required? by whom? not us none smokers thats for sure.



Go smoke in your sleazy dutch pubs, but don't try and expect every one to conform to smokers requests please.

Having just recovered again from bronchitis, it still amazes me that others can say it doesn't hurt to inhale smoke!

As for the argument about many countries flouting these rules, what other countries please? that statement is not backed up at all,.... just a few little grubby smoking pubs in Holland ....

gromit


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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 19:25

dizzycows



Greece: Open smoking in bars not being prevented.

Spain: Ditto

Holland: Ditto

Turkey: Ditto

Ireland: Ditto

Etc., etc., Googling will give you details.



The NHS/Revenue costs are official stats. Similarly Google.



5 in 10 people smoke in the EU. Not exactly a minority.



If our Government are so 'anti-smoking', how come Westminster, the Scottish Parliament and the Welsh Assembly all have 'approved/dedicated' indoor smoking areas, but pubs restaurants etc are not allowed to?



I am personally in favour of allowing pubs/restaurants to create smoking areas with appropriate ventilation/division from non-smoking areas.





In the past I have encountered violence from drunks,.... never from a smoker.

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 19:42

Cannot understand then why you smokers what to harp on about it then!



Smoke where you are allowed but don't foist it on us non smokers..... simples

phylray



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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 20:35

I do agree with you there dizzycows. I would not dine anywhere with smoking, it is horrible!



Yet, at Amsterdam airport a few years ago smoking was forbidden everywhere except the

restaurants! I could not believe it, as that is where it is so offensive.

clarets



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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 20:45

DC...... <1/3 of the UK population DOESNT smoke ! Its now less than 22%......dont argue the point either,because I am certain of my facts!

You call people Nazi's for expressing the preference to breathe clean air.Passive smoking has been responsible for huge morbidity and also mortality in most Western European nations, and ,I would imagine,some others as well.

Passive smoking harms.....and there is no doubt about the matter.Legislation will not be overturned by a minority of people,with the attitude,"if they dont like it,they can lump it!"

Smoking in public places is gone forever,and no amount of pious verbals will bring it back.

splinters24hr


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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 21:21

You non smokers really are a breed of your own, you whinge and whine about your rights and are far too opinionated and ready to push your facts and figures down our throats. Just remember if we smokers want to smoke we will we, wont think twice about your health or the health of others that happen to breath our exhaled smoke, or if your clothes stink as a result. The sooner you non smokers realise this the better because its tough. No matter what you say will make the slightest difference to us because we are addicts, we enjoy our habit and if you dont like it then keep writing your inane objections so that we can take the pleasure in knowing that there is bugger all you can do about it and the law isnt interested either.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 21:29

They came for the smokers, and I did not speak out—because I was not a smoker;

They came for the obese, and I did not speak out—because I was not obese;

They came for the drinkers, and I did not speak out—because I was not a drinker;

When they came for me there was no one left to speak out...

phylray



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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 22:26

Message 58 says it all. What a totally selfish attitude!

As a child, (asmathic) I sat in a car, sick with the smell of my Dad's cigarettes.

He must have started at a very early age as he volunteered for WW1 at 16 and

smoked throughout (don't blame him) People were unaware then of the harm it

did. In fact, they thought it helped your breathing! He was a powerful, strong man

and had a tremendous vitality and will to live to 100, but he was cut down with cancer

of the bronchus, and he had pretty well chain smoked for as long as I could remember, so

there is no doubt in my mind and I believe the proven statistics for cancer of the lung, and bronchus.

gromit


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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 22:46

clarets



So you are saying that over 78% of the UK population smokes and you are certain of your facts.





You may not have smoked this evening,... but,... maybe a little too much alcohol?



Alcohol is far more damaging to society than smoking has ever been.





Perhaps they should make drinkers only drink 'outside' and withold their car keys?





Everywhere would be a lot safer.

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 22:46

splinters24hr, what on earth are you warbling on about ? if you read the posts above it was you the smokers who are whinging and whining and shoving daft statistics down our throats, not the non smokers!



Go if you must and smoke yourself to death, most of us couldn't care less as its your choice, but don't put other peoples health or lives at risk.



Start to think of others if you can, ..... have a nice evening......



Hi clarets, you being a Dr would know more than most on the effects of inhaling passive smoke and smoking in general. But as usual we are bombarded with how 'nasty' we non smokers are for even having the right to defend ourselves against something that harms our well being .

philbailey


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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 22:50

My mother died after suffering 10 years of cancer in her 40s ......my first wife died at 39 after suffering 6 years of cancer neither smoked



this life you take your chances



i still give money to st .thomas hospital and the government bt different means

gromit


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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 22:50

dizzycows



Do you agree that there should be segregated areas in pubs or restaurants for smokers?





Surely that is what is required.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 22:50

msg 60;

Thanks for the info of....."and had a tremendous vitality and will to live to 100, but he was cut down with cancer"....has given me more will to carry on ...........

Blackbird



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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 23:04

I have said this before on posts about smoking.

I Don't give a sh!te if you wanna smoke....just don't do it over me!!!

philbailey


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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 23:10

would love government to prohibit it

Blackbird



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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 23:19

Re message 67....they won't 'cos they make far too much money in taxes...

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 23:20

gromit, yes of course, it would be better still if they could have separate rooms, I couldn't care less if the smokers want to eat in a haze or die before their time its their choice, but not mine ...



You are so right blackbird, my sentiments exactly ... lol

Blackbird



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Message Posted:
24/01/2011 23:27

Yes dizzycows let them eat and drink and die in the smoky haze....

splinters24hr


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Message Posted:
25/01/2011 01:55

Lets face it this thread is going to run and run as smokers and non smokers will never agree, and of course we are all entitled to our own opinions, some interesting points of view though most of them without foundation or substance. I am pleased to tell you that despite some interesting arguments I have not been swayed or convinced sufficiently to stop smoking or even consider doing so......



Now wheres my fags???

goldheart666


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Message Posted:
25/01/2011 08:17

All I meant is we must care the other people and respect them too.We should not need to be so selfish.

clarets



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Message Posted:
26/01/2011 01:06

Grommet,you obviously cant read. 78 % of the UK populus DONT smoke

LaptaMike


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Message Posted:
26/01/2011 01:34

Is smoking still allowed inside in Egypt? Or do they not care less with the riots?

gromit


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Message Posted:
26/01/2011 12:32

clarets



you actually posted:



"....1/3 of the UK population DOESNT smoke ! Its now less than 22%......dont argue the point either,because I am certain of my facts!"



That reads that less than 22% 'doesnt' smoke,... meaning 78% 'do smoke'.





I presume you had a little 'typo' moment, we're all guilty of that at times.



No offence intended.

goldheart666


Joined: 04/12/2010
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
26/01/2011 17:41

I think the best thing to do is close up all the cigarette factories for all the people.So the smokers can give up smoking easily for their health.Because they will have no other choise by the way.

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
26/01/2011 19:10

goldheart, people can grow their own tobacco, even in colder climates than Kibris. I bought a pack of mixed tobacco seeds and grew them in the north of the UK with very good results.



Close down the ciggy paper factories then fair enough.

stevo-london


Joined: 23/10/2010
Posts: 253

Message Posted:
26/01/2011 19:17

about time a country came to its sense lol



miss the scent of tobacco in the old bars here takes away the whole atmosphere

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
26/01/2011 19:22

stevo, they all smell of piss and sweat now

goldheart666


Joined: 04/12/2010
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
11/03/2011 19:15

good luck to all smokers