Iran hangs Dutch woman

doggiesteve


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 13:24

Tehran, Jan. 29 - Iranian authorities on Saturday hanged an Iranian-Dutch woman despite calls by the Netherlands for a stay on the sentence.



Zahra Bahrami, 46, was hanged after she was convicted of "selling and possessing drugs", the Tehran prosecutor's office said in a statement, adding that she had been arrested for "security crimes".



Bahrami was arrested in December 2009 after participating in anti-government protests while visiting relatives in Iran.



Dutch Foreign Minister Uri Rosenthal earlier this month expressed "extreme concern" about Bahrami, and said that he had "asked the Iranian authorities to provide immediate clarification" about her case. The Netherlands charged that Iran was refusing its embassy access to Bahrami. Authorities routinely execute dissidents on bogus charges such as armed robbery and drug trafficking.



Bahrami was born in Iran and later went to live in The Netherlands where she became naturalised as a Dutch citizen.

Blackpoolfan


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 15:36

Barbaric murdering scum this aint justice this is a disgrace R.I.P.

spider


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 16:42

This is terrible to hang someone in this day-and-age no need for it. Saying that dealing with drugs is a terrible thing and so many people suffer with addictions and the dealers get rich. You wont like this......But maybe they should have just chopped her hands off and sent her home. Think of how may people that may have died because of her dealings....Far too many drug dealers costing some countries a fortune keeping them locked up, same even still living the lif of old riley form inside..RIP yes. She has suffered for her crime.





Spider,X

stevo-london


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 16:45

very harsh in this day and age...

suehowlittle


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 16:54

Not hard enough, I can remember the world without drug dealers and it was a very nice place where people could go out at night without fear.



The results of their dealings are crippling our young people and the governments seem unable to prevent it.



I know it sounds terrible what they did to her but it would not take many executions before drugs stopped being smuggled in and lives wrecked, not just the addicts remember, but all their families too.



Malaysia and Thailand still execute for drugs and their problems are very minor compared to other countries.



I detest the cruelty of hanging - there must be a better way but have to say that I admire the courage of the governments who are determined that drugs will not ruin their citizen's lives



Bet this brings in some nasty remarks but my skin is extremely thick?!?!?!?

Quarmby


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 17:07

Whose to say the charges were not bogus. Wouldn't trust the Iranian regime one iota.

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 17:08

I think you have missed the point, the telling phrase is,



"Authorities routinely execute dissidents on bogus charges such as armed robbery and drug trafficking."



She may well have been innocent.

cypgab


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Posts: 338

Message Posted:
29/01/2011 17:20

Message 3: So it's OK to chop someone's hands off but not to hang them!

spider


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 17:23

Then who in their right mine would live their ? I would never go to an unsafe country. for love nor money ! and I for one am tired of reading about drug dealers going to schools enticing the young,giving it fee at first getting them hooked next...I fear for my grandchildren.







Spider,X

Quarmby


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 17:25

Quite right Pugwash.



It's amazing how many people automatically decide that someone is guilty of a crime just because the police/authorities arrest them for allegedly commiting a said crime only to find they are innocent. Just shows how gullible some people are.

Quarmby


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 17:29

Spider msg 9.



and you live in the TRNC ? is it 'Safe as houses'

spider


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 17:31

Its safe for me for the moment







Spider,X

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 17:41

The Dutch Minister of Foreign affairs, Uri Rosenthal, just (Saturday, 29 January, 5.30 pm) finished a meeting with the summoned Iranian ambassador in the Netherlands.

The Dutch government has NOT gotten a confirmation of the execution of the death sentence.

That's one.

Secondly: I think the woman is awaiting another sentence for a crime (in Iran) and should/could not be executed before the second sentence is delivered (I heard an Iranian lawyer say, translated on Dutch radio).

Before this thread reaches one hundred posts (as usual hearsay and speculations) we may wait till the Dutch government gives an official statement.

DONTY


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 18:43

Thought I'd add that the drug 'Alcohol' ruins more lives that many illegal ones. It's a fact, look it up if you don't believe me. Even the medical advisers to the UK Govt agree.

Alcoholic parents messing up their kids lives, drunk drivers killing people on the roads, drunks fighting in bars and streets. alcohol users clogging up the medical services with their ailments.

About time they outlawed this disgusting drug.



I wonder how many of you agree to the above?

cronos


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 18:49

DONTY....msg 14



You may have a point, but what has this got to do with the original thread regarding capital punishment in Iran ?

sienna


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 19:09

if that is the punishment for the crime in the country you are in ???? ..............................

DONTY


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 19:14

cronos



I felt impelled to add something after reading certain posts.



Regarding this poor lady, although I have no facts before me, my gut reaction isn't to condemn her, but to question the Iranian Governments motives.

Magbs


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 19:16

I hardly think that the real case has anything to do with drugs.



Yes, she is/was also awaiting another simultaneous charge of illegal political opposition activities and being an 'enemy of God' and thus faces a second death sentence. So it's not a question of if, but when...

spider


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 19:41

Donty msg 14 very well said, and very true too, but what are you views on drug pushers. We can question the government's motives in most country's. But we must all abide the the law of all country's too. wrong is wrong and we all know this.





Spider,X

rowlo



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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 20:07

she knew the rules , she played a game , diced with death , danced with the devil ,and got caught , hell will now mend her , good riddance to her .

DONTY


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 20:31

spider

My view on people actively 'pushing' drugs on others! Not good!

but I really don't think this is the norm.

I don't think many people taking pot, coke, ecstasy etc have it pushed upon them. I believe they decide to try such things through social groups they belong to or through teenage experimentation and then buy from someone who does it themselves. I don't class this as 'pushing'.



I also believe there is a lot of misinformation given by Governments who want a healthy workforce to make a country stronger but have to give the masses something to relieve the monotony of life for the average working person. It just so happens that alcohol is the one relief governments allow & this goes back to the Church in the 'dark ages' who produced mead for the masses. Alcohol is also hard to produce & easy to tax whereas other drugs that are less harmful such as pot can be grown easily & therefore hard to tax. This is a disgusting situation as alcohol harms more lives than any other dru

Lilli



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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 20:40

intresting facts Donty. How are you are you back xxx

spider


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 20:49

Donty I do not either think that anything is pushed upon the young, drugs are being given free, as a test for the pushers to gain customers, and yes drink and tobacco are freely available ! and I also think that one is born with an addictive personality. And for someone who has a personality like this the less harmful..as you put it, Pot, is the very start of someone selling even their body to gain something stronger in the end like coke.and if you were to say to families of those that have lost their lives to drugs that Alcohol is a far worse drug they would laugh..So both addictions are as bad as each other. But the law is the law and we can not fight what is law, whatever country.JMHO...



Spider,X

DONTY


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 20:49

I've read quite a bit on prohibition through the ages and government control of peoples beliefs Lilli.



Yeah, I'm 'on island' I'll drop in to see you for a chat and update next time I'm 'westside'. Don't want to natter too much on here!



Hope you n Guido are well

DONTY


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 20:55

spider



I completely disagree. Your rationalisation is that that is provided by governments. If alcohol is a drug and pot is a drug why would one be a gateway to harder drugs and the other not? In fact caffeine is a drug so why don't coffee drinkers end up on heroin? If you look at modern research you will see that the medical profession is at odds with the government stance. Have a read up and let me know your thoughts.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 20:57

well lets make the drugs easier to buy , then the government can make more revenue from the taxes , they could even disband the drug squad ,saving even more money ,what next , hold up free charlie on the nhs. the mind boggles?

philbailey


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 21:00

24 August 2010



Drug-related deaths reported in the UK have risen by 11.8 per cent to 2,182 in a year, reveals a report released today by St George’s, University of London. The National Programme on Substance Abuse Deaths (np-SAD) report shows that the annual death rate is continuing to increase, up from the previous year’s 2.7 per cent rise.



In England in 2008, there were 6,769 deaths directly related to alcohol. An increase of 24 per cent from 2001. Of these alcohol related deaths, the majority (4,400) died from alcoholic liver disease.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
29/01/2011 21:09

So Phil with these figures why dont the gov put warnings on alchol like they do on cigs. Is alchol getting stronger or more chemicals added to distract the content so they get more tax.I read a report today in the Sun the amount of alchol related illness and death was high but I wondered if these were from the winos and the poor souls on the streets, what age group did they say x

philbailey


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 21:13

# In England in 2008, 71 per cent of men and 56 per cent of women (aged 16 and over) reported drinking an alcoholic drink on at least one day in the week prior to interview. Eleven per cent of men and 6 per cent of women reported drinking on every day in the previous week.

# In England in 2008, 38 per cent of men drank over 4 units on at least one day in the week prior to interview and 29 per cent of women drank more than 3 units on at least one day in the week prior to interview. Twenty two per cent of men reported drinking over 8 units and 15 per cent of women reported drinking over 6 units on at least one day in the week prior to interview.



and that is uk I wonder what the figures for retired expats is abroad

Corbo



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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 21:19

Someone said hanging was not hard enough earlier on..blimey..what do they want. Torture before being cooked in oil? This sort of hate shows them up..of course. it was something in their childhood (that made her feel this way) so we should feel for them..NOT!

DONTY


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Posts: 534

Message Posted:
29/01/2011 21:21

So alcohol is 3 times more dangerous than all other drugs put together yet alcohol users preach about 'drug' use!



I should imagine most drug deaths are from heavy drugs like heroin - and for example, from what I have read, there has never been a single death attributed to smoking neat weed!



Here's one for you. When was the last time you saw a stoner fighting in a pub or on the street? Go into any UK town on the weekend and you have a good chance of seeing an alcohol user fighting, urinating in public, vomiting in a doorway ... you get the picture!

spider


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 21:22

Its all down to the governments and what they decide and its called the law.....



http://www.mentalhelp.net/poc/view_doc.php?type=doc&id=36251&cn=14



http://www.google.co.uk/#sclient=psy&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=govenments+views+on+addictions&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&psj=1&fp=d774a698b7263073



and its all to do with personalities. If you have an addiction you need help.and the government are as always making a mess of things,but hay they lay down the laws.



Spider,X

philbailey


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 21:26

I also suuggest all anti drug supporters go home and throw out the majority of their record collections inc, the beatles the rolling stones jimi hendrix oasis etc

spider


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 21:28

Donty Please do not try to say that people who are stoned do not drive and behave as someone who drinks and drives.please I just read something the other day..They may not fight,but drive they do..and all I am saying is for some its the start of needing something stronger.until death,same as drink until death...unless the addiction is addressed.





Spider,X

cy_girl


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 21:32

R.I.P Zahra..... As far as I know, They told to the poor woman to appear on TV and convince that she was a drug dealer then they will release her.... But they didn't ..... I'm sure that she was forced to accept it under loads of physical and emotional torture! In the beginning they accused her to participate in the anti government movement !!! They kept her in solitary for 10 months. Latter on they changed the accusation because they knew if they say that she was a drug dealer, she not gonna gain lots of public attention!!!! So, there wont be another another Sakineh Ashtiyani!!!!

Anyways, Lets hope for a better world

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
29/01/2011 21:33

bloody hell phil that is so scarey. what a society we all live in, even here as you say expats that is a scarey figure, water from now x

DONTY


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Posts: 534

Message Posted:
29/01/2011 21:43

spider



Now your clutching at straws.



Lets concentrate on the REAL problem, the devastating effects of alcohol on society.

Should we chop off the hands of bar owners and alcohol manufacturers as per your suggest in post 3?

philbailey


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 21:47

True donty

Blackbird



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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 21:49

Rowlo....re messages 20 & 26 - I agree with your posts....

spider


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 22:02

Clutching at straws for why, I have no idea what you mean clutching at straws !..again please read my post I said this was terrible and it is, and so very sad..I also said that if she had broken the law cutting off her hands would have been a much better punishment rather than death. The law in no country as far as I know, do not do this and I doubt very much they would either....But again we are not to break the law,we get punished.



Its a terrible thing to have happened.and we read things in the media like this all the time,just the other day I read about the stoning to death of a young couple.its a terrible world that we live in and its people that are doing this to other people.



Spider,X

DONTY


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 22:10

The criminalisation of something makes it more exciting to risk takers. If recreational drugs were decriminalised & made available on prescription this would have the following effects:



1. The government would take the business out of the hands of the criminals.

2. This would eradicate the 'gateway effect' as users would not be confronted by harder drugs.

3. The use of said drugs would become less appealing to potential new users (youths) as the excitement factor is taken away & it would become less trendy.

4. The medical profession could monitor the effects thus giving more accurate data on the harmfulness of the substance.

5. Governments could make money on the sale rather than criminals & put this money to use in education programmes.

I've got more, but 5 is enough for now. Oh & I include alcohol in this 'scheme' of mine.

I believe a program like this would reduce the uptake by new users (teenagers) & reduce the amount of users in the long run. Alternatively we can chop of

DONTY


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 22:11

contd



Hands!

IbrahimAbi


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 22:18

Wot happened to the thread?

spider


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 22:18

Oh dear you now have me rolling all over the floor, laughing so much I cant stop.



Thanks DONTY





Spider,X

DONTY


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 22:20

spider



Probably all the alcohol in your system.

DONTY


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 22:24

spider



Lets stick to your mediaeval system of lopping off body parts.



I suspect you may suffer from kainotophobia.

spider


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 22:29

Maybe we should say no more





Some people in America like.............







Spider,X

Scoty


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 22:34

What have all the latest posts / ideas etc. got to do with the original post?

Alcohol / Cyprus / drive - all 3 go hand in hand. Which is the biggest killer?

Kettles black!

No one has to take drugs / alcohol- personal choice. There problem / there life.

MsGarnet


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 22:46

Spider-it beggars belief that ANYONE who implies/purports to be a trained Professional would post that it would be better to chop off someone's hands! (Whilst writing, I consider it imperative this board knows if you have any traning in the field of CBT or Therapy, if not - I consider inappropriate to indicate otherwise in your posted personal details, as people who are traumatised, bereaved, deranged, et cetera - if given the WRONG support, believing they are confiding in someone trained, could be extremely damaging. It is not enough to have a kind heart or a listening ear - the wrong support could damage their minds further OR they may do someone else harm, being left in denial of how serious their condition is, or in the belief they are 'cured'). To remove a person's hands, not only is that heinous and barbaric, would mean someone else for that person's lifetime, would have to attend to the amputee's every need, and they would not be able to work or support themselves - ludicrous.

MsGarnet


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 22:51

I am not assassinating your character Spider, but as a trained Counsellor myself, it worries me very much should a Walter Mitty personality (I am not saying you are - I am just saying) do more harm than good to another who could have hit rock bottom in their lives and need - perhaps - medication/chemical intervention, as well as the cathartic therapy of talking. Not understanding the many levels involved in dealing with someone enduring extreme stress or undergoing a psychotic episode, a person who comes to their aid with nothing more to offer than a friendly ear, is not equipped to get them back on their feet again.

spider


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 23:00

Here we go again Ms Garnet..Please you do not know me and unless you are willing to have coffee with me,get to know me you just see a spider here.or a scoty, Donty..or blackbird or Rowlo....Next time you visit give me a shout, and if you wish to email me feel free..I would love to meet you and I hope it is soon.







Spider,X

Blackpoolfan


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 23:28

What is frightening is that a person can do a Level 1 counselling course in 6 months and then be classed as a qualified counsellor. What you often find is it was them that needed the therapy in the 1st place.

A shoulder to cry on is sometimes a lot better than someone sat there filling your head with mumbo jumbo and trying to analyse you

spider


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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 23:38

Blackpoolfan I have no idea where you got your information from but its is so very wrong....6months





I have been laughing so much as Mr Spider keeps shouting off with your head MrGarnet,but if you were to meet him you would find him very nice. we have met a lot of forum members to date





Spider,X

andrew4232



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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 23:49

maybe a few more hanged will slow drug trade down

Blackbird



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Message Posted:
29/01/2011 23:55

Re message 54 - I doubt it - there are far many willing to take a chance with the promise of huge profits..

philbailey


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Message Posted:
30/01/2011 00:06

how is it aceptable for main stream peolpe Sting elton john and most in the media to take drugs



are people that brainwashed now that if a scumbag on a council estate takes drugs he is an addict .



make a record or write a book on drugs you are forward thinking



people are hyprocites

philbailey


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Message Posted:
30/01/2011 00:13

whitney houston, charlie sheen, keith richards, robbie williams, paul mcartney, oasis, amy winehouse, will self, john lesley, half the cast of eastenders,



when you buy your newspaper tomorrow, and read about celebrities, remember there was a drug dealer supplying them

ulker


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Posts: 18

Message Posted:
30/01/2011 00:58

I think dealers are probably supplying for a demand that is already there. But that is not the argument here. Looking at her history, which made her an undesirable citizen, she did not have to be a drug dealer to be punished. She could have been set up!

MsGarnet


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Message Posted:
30/01/2011 01:11

Spider - we all know that only recently on this board were many postings from a very disturbed woman in the throes of burying her newborn. It was only as the postings multiplied that it became obvious how distressed and in need of more than Counselling she was. I merely point out that your Tavistock and Portman link would lead a reader to think you had some professional affiliation or accredited training with said NHS organisation, as well as lower down, your webpage highlighting a Cognitive Behaviour Therapy think. If you are indeed a qualified Psychotherapist, Counsellor or Therapist in the highly complex field of human behaviour, I stand corrected - as you would then understand my fear and disquiet at the thought of someone in dire need clutching at the first straw that flags up to them they can get help, yet that help may (depending on their need and which discipline would be more apt) be more damaging than otherwise, if misdirected or misunderstood. At this juncture, I am in UK

spider


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Message Posted:
30/01/2011 01:43

Ms Garnert Perhaps if you google Mattew Ganda this may well give you an idea...Once we have our tea together you could tell me all about where you had you personal psychotherapy..This is the very last time I respond to any further posts from you, you do not know the ins and outs of assessments, or background..you have been told time and time again to contact ME..So whatever your problem might be,its your problem and yours along,please learn how to deal with it.I also understand that if I email the moderator that you constantly seem to want a go at me,it is my right to do so.I am very sure that they are watching posts all the time,as you are also aware too.YOU are the one hiding you email and neither contacting me either. I have no intentions of continuing posting replies to you.end of. I await your contact and look forward to coffee with you.but until such time. Have a good day,as they say.Hay if you are unable to trust my profile, thats down to you. Spider,X.

spider


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Message Posted:
30/01/2011 01:45

Have to add that I just knew you would pop up again tonight when you thought I had gone to bed...just google :

philbailey


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Message Posted:
30/01/2011 03:39

oh and that wholesome weekend dancing programmes with such role models as kerry katona ,jeff brazier or patsy kensit

but this is mainstream veiwing so is ok threir drugs arent important



again think about it please

MsGarnet


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Message Posted:
30/01/2011 04:35

Spider, I won't comment again on your profile, we are all entitled to put what we wish; one trusts the moderators do read all the posts, ergo - one feels sure they would understand my concerns. It is of course your absolute right to confirm or disabuse the reader (though you have done neither) of whether your links and webpage indicate Professional help available through yourself or whether they are there as an aide-memoir for those in need. To reiterate, in no way was I attacking you, please accept my apologies if that is how it appeared - I merely thought clarification was needed as, you will agree, anyone in need of emotional or mental support should be able to ascertain whether you are a liaison or representative of a mental health discipline when reading your profile. Your invitation to tea in Msg 60, follows my Msg 59 whereby I state "I am in UK"! To quote from Matthew-Ganda (who is)? "we have helped our children not to assume what people mean but to always seek clarification".

Harold2555



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Message Posted:
30/01/2011 09:20

This thread is now closed. Reason: Thread went off topic.