Diary of an Illegal Immigrant

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 393


Message Posted:
15/09/2008 17:26

Day1:

Allowed,.. legally,.. by UK and EU to fly from Heathrow to N Cyprus. All authorities happily accept our fares, Passports, Taxes and Fuel Duty. No problems.



Arrive at Ercan Airport, that some say is an illegal arrival point!... Huh?... They were all happy to legally take our money!



Get taken in nice taxi (Mercedes,.. who seem happy to legally sell and service cars in NC) to Girne.

Now I'm confused! EU want to still call it Kyrenia!



Book into Hotel,... advertised and sold by holiday companies throughout the UK & EU, which I find out later may be illegally built on some former scrub land owned by a Greek Goat farmer who claims it is now worth millions. UK holiday company had legally taken my money and charged me UK VAT.



Day2:

Down to harbour for lunch. I have grilled fish, wife has kleftico, all served with chips, salad and bread. Lovely! Only to be told the fish is stolen from GC fishermen, the lamb stolen from GC shepherds and the salad and potatoes stolen from GC farms in Guzelyurt!

Feeling guilty we leave and have a 'comfort break' in the public toilets on the harbour front,... only to find out they were stolen former GC 'fishing net store' premises!



Day3:

Go to a turtle hatchery beach,... only to be told the turtles are actually stolen 'Greek' turtles,.. not Turkish!



Day 4:

Fall in love with a lovely villa on a rocky outcrop looking out to sea.

Buy it!



Later, some clever di*k says we should have done 'due diligence' & gone to the 4th floor of the regional Tsabluk offices in Mesapotamia with a translator to check if we had legal title. Err? whose title? which language? which regulator? Which vested interest? Which ancestral previous 'owner' of the island? What do we need? Some form from an Eoka General, or Mongol Warlord?

Now told this rocky outcrop is also worth millions to some GC goat farmer family from 40 years ago!



Yeah! Right!





Day 5:

Decide we are happy with our purchase and all these 'chancers' can sling their hook!



Day 6:

Enjoy more 'stolen' food!



Day 7:

Find we are readily accepted back into the UK, from this 'illegal' country!







Illegal?,... My Ar*e!!





rob

Krin52



Joined: 25/08/2008
Posts: 92


Message Posted:
15/09/2008 17:43

Well done! Thanks for the chuckle, you got it right!

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
15/09/2008 18:24

RobNjO,



Being an illegal immigrant seems to have pricked your conscience about whose suffering you may have exploited. Remember, we are all born decent and honest.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 2645


Message Posted:
15/09/2008 18:43

RobnJo,



I enjoyed your humour!



Born Decent and honest?



I have never been arrested, locked up, wedding ring taken from me and my spectacles,



and then thrown into a cell full of excrement! While I was waving a Special Constables



warrant card.



Simbas, You are right, we need to stop the protagonists. Its spoiling good fun.



wyn

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 1513


Message Posted:
15/09/2008 19:09

Shame on you Robnjo.Consider yourself bollocked lol,

Paul.

NOBLE


Joined: 11/08/2008
Posts: 26


Message Posted:
15/09/2008 19:59

Stop playing the victim, meant sense of humour re illegal immigrant

NOBLE


Joined: 11/08/2008
Posts: 26


Message Posted:
15/09/2008 20:15

I was born in the UK, but Cyprus is home. I was there just two weeks ago and love Kyrenia. My dad is actually from Pahos. Don't hear him whinging about losing his home or land as he is grateful to live peacefully. I personally hope there will always be two seperate states. I feel the other side is totally blinded and blinkered as they feel they own the whole island and TCs have no rights at all.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 429


Message Posted:
15/09/2008 20:17

Illegal, victim, invasion, occupation, same old, same old

I just have a simple question, when the GC,s have finished making out their list of demands for the TC,s, land issue, troops out, Guzelyurt etc, etc, etc , what concessions to peace are they going to make to ensure a fair and safe Cyprus for all Cypriots. It takes two to Tango they say.

dusterbruce


Joined: 03/08/2007
Posts: 334


Message Posted:
15/09/2008 20:18

I think that most people who know the Cyprus story (not the Greek Cypriot propaganda version) would agree that if the Greek Cypriots had behaved themselves in the 1950's, 1960's and early 1970's the Turkish Peace Operation would noyt have been needed.

The Cyprus Problem did not start in 1974, it was solved .

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
15/09/2008 20:57

msg 20,



Try reading up a little on the previous confidence building measures and peace talks and you may have a better understanding of what is on the cards.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
15/09/2008 20:58

msg 21,



Would you explain how the GCs were not "behaving themselves" in the early 70s?

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 639


Message Posted:
15/09/2008 21:46

dusterbruce



you have it in one .





musin

long live the kktc

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
15/09/2008 21:59

It always helps when a point someone makes actually stands up to scrutiny.

Turtle



Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 785


Message Posted:
15/09/2008 22:18

HA HA Just read your post Rob, very funny

jackeen


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 205


Message Posted:
15/09/2008 22:47

Your post was funny, as long as you had a good time whilst there and got safely back until the next time.

jackeen


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 205


Message Posted:
15/09/2008 22:48

No that reads horrible. I meant to say that the next time you go you will also have a wonderful time even if you are eating stolen food,etc.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 1391


Message Posted:
16/09/2008 07:57

the gc's didn't sell of other peoples homes to unsuspecting tourists.



funny every tc who is not actually originaly from the north says they are from paphos.

every gc says they are from kyrenia.



we actually visited paphos in the 80's. it was nothing like today, nothing much there at that time. similarly to kyrenia not much there pre the 80's.



so this cannot be possible!

dusterbruce


Joined: 03/08/2007
Posts: 334


Message Posted:
16/09/2008 09:18

Ethnic cleansing.

Turkish Cypriots forced into ghettos.

Turkish Cypriots forced out of government.

Attempts at enosis





Thats for starters

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1961


Message Posted:
16/09/2008 14:38

hi

rob your post put a smile on my face, but then carried on down and to my surprise who changes the tone of the subject once again!!!!

wont you two learn that all your constant badgering of your views will never change the views of at least 98% of this forum members and you can bang on about they have been taken in by turkish propaganda which is the opposite they havent been taken in by the greek propaganda and i can say they do have a brain and listened and read both stories and of course there will be propaganda but nothing can hide the truth how this all started!!!!!

ukturk

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
16/09/2008 23:48

ukturk,



Even if 98% of forum members may hold a certain view it doesn't alter the freedom of speech for others to put their view. The other factor to remember is that only a comparitively small number of members demonstrate knowledge in depth of the Cyprus problem - and even fewer are capable of approaching the issues from all sides. Too many people have vested interests which colour their limited outlook.

Turtle



Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 785


Message Posted:
17/09/2008 12:03

Pike

you are so arrogant, how the hell do you know what other people know about the Cyrpus problem.

Just because they don't come on here spouting crap like you do does not mean they don;t have knowledge about the Cyprus issues

Will you not give anyone any credit.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1961


Message Posted:
17/09/2008 15:27

turtle

you know what it is pike goes on about freedom of speech for others to put their view accross but when someone else does and he does not agree with it he is quick to tell them they are wrong or their judgement is clouded by turkish propaganda and of course he wont give credit to no one apart from his buddy sue who happens to have greek cypriot connections and sorry to say has not a lot of knowledge of cyprus apart from what her family has told her



pike who are you some sort of judge and jury to say that only a small amount of members have knowledge on cyprus and fewer knows both sides of the story so i take it you are one of the later few and how do you know too many people have vested interests please enlighten us

and like i said even if you think not a lot of people know about cyprus or have a one sided view it does not alter the fact like you said that everybody has a right to freedom of speech!!!!!

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
17/09/2008 16:35

Turtle,



Behave yourself and stop swearing on a family forum as the moderators point out. I give credit to people who demonstrate knowledge and sound analysis of the historical and political framework of Cyprus. If you are one of these people good on you. We can debate all manner of issues in a mature way. However, if you are not one of these people you should count to 10 before sending angry posts.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
17/09/2008 16:39

ukturk,



I would say people who can only occupy property in the "TRNC" as long as the Turkish army remains in north Cyprus, and those who make money out of said individuals, have a vested interest. Wouldn't you?

Turtle



Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 785


Message Posted:
17/09/2008 19:58

Pike, have you ever visited the planet earth ?

I have read my post serveral times again and the only word in it that may even resemble a swear word is "crap".

Now if this consitutes swearing then I will take a ticking off by the moderators (not you) and apologize for this very disgusting word.

And as for angry posts, there you go again judging people anyone who knows me can tell you I am the most laid back person in the world I dont do angry I am a little more grown up than that and I counted to 10 before I posted

joandjelly



Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 778


Message Posted:
17/09/2008 20:11

Hi Firestarter



Re your message 29, Kyrenia District covers a lot of villages so maybe that is why lots of GCs say they are from Kyrenia. Could this be the same for Paphos? I have never been there so have no idea.



Jo

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1961


Message Posted:
17/09/2008 20:28

pike

you go on like the whole of the t.c's and expats occupy every single property in the north!!! whether you like the turkish army or not they are here and there is nothing what you or i say can be done to change the fact so build a bridge and get over it!!!! lol

on to your explantion of people with a vested interest do you honestly think if they come to some sort of solution these people will relinquish their rights to the home they are living in? i very much doubt it!! compensation will be paid end of story

i think in your ideal world you would have prefered the t.c's who were forced out of their homes in the south or wherever to just pitch tents up and live outside the homes that were left empty by the g.s's!!!!



Please tell me what would you do and how would you act in that desperate situation either a g.c living in a t.c's house or a t.c's living in a g.c's house or what they called them back in the day a Refugee's House

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 2645


Message Posted:
17/09/2008 20:51

UkTurk,



We all saw the rationale of your argument. It seems to me that all right minded individuals would concur.



Why is it that Pike needs to be banging the same old drum?



It is to cause unhappiness and distress. It is to cause alarm amongst the many well meaning purchasers of property in The TRNC. It is to try to put off potential purchasers of property in

the TRNC.



Is this the purpose of this board, or is it for people who love the TRNC ,its citizens and

people of good faith, who love the whole of cyprus, and who seek a fair and amicable solution to the Cyprus problem.



Two commies slugging it out is not what most people see. Most people of good faith see two leaders, men of good faith, trying desperatley to find an amicable solution, to the enormous

problem that is Cyprus.



I feel that this board and its members should be wishing them well, and praying for a peaceful, and united or otherwise Island of Cyprus, and its many and varied inhabitants.



Just my view, thats all,



wyn

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 639


Message Posted:
17/09/2008 21:10

erkan



"build a bridge and get over it" i like it ....lol...





regards

musin

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 628


Message Posted:
17/09/2008 21:33

Wyn. (good evening to you)



The more that i read, he reminds me of a strict teacher marking our work and making little comments of where you went wrong and that you must try harder. Sad eh, he and Suzz seem to be in cuckoo land.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 2645


Message Posted:
17/09/2008 21:44

Tigs,



My old son. Be on good terms with all persons. Never heard of being hoisted by your own



petard! Clue.......ask the Strathclyde police why they ignored a warrant card, and threw the



protagonist into an excrement encrusted cell for 6 hours.



Clearly not a team player! Dim witted and incoherent.....If you say so Pikey.!



wyn

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 2645


Message Posted:
17/09/2008 21:57

Sorry Tiggy,



Good evening to you!



By God I needed that (msg 43)



wyn

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
17/09/2008 22:27

ukturk: "compensation will be paid end of story"



You have NO way of knowing this. Using opinion in place of fact makes the difference between serious debate and coffee shop gossip.



"Please tell me what would you do and how would you act in that desperate situation either a g.c living in a t.c's house or a t.c's living in a g.c's house or what they called them back in the day a Refugee's House."



These words aren't very clear. If you mean what did I expect Cypriots to do when they were homeless, the answer is use the houses left behind. Which is what went on until the 1990s when Denktas decided to allow the sale of GC refugee property to third parties - immoral expats looking for a holiday home on the cheap. Avarice and greed isn't quite the same as being homeless, is it?

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 324


Message Posted:
17/09/2008 23:46

The hypocritical Greek Cypriots on the Greek side have done exactly what the TCs have done in the TRNC with regard to land and property, only the GCs call it something different.



The Greek Cypriots deserved everything they lost in North Cyprus; despite this they still have a lot, they have TC land, their homes and to add insult to injury, they deny them their human rights. The Greek Cypriots are so greedy they want more, they want all of it. Reunification? LOL.



I wonder if these Greek Cypriot propagandists get paid well for going onto forums trying to discredit anything and everything TC/TRNC? They should get the sack, they're so useless at their job. LOL. They haven't succeeded in convincing a single person that buying land/property in the TRNC is wrong mainly because it isn't wrong, in fact, it is morally the best thing that could have happened in the TRNC and to the TCs.



Long live the TRNC

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 00:09

Long time no speak, dy1259.



I thought as a Londrali you would be interested in the views of a TC on another forum about those of want partition and TRNC:



You are giving us information and another points of view different from the NeoPartionist on here who for reasons they only know themselves, are trying to keep Cyprus divided, which can only serve the best interest of those who have, I believe



a) made big gains from the spoils of war

b) are in position of power

c) are the foot soldiers of Turkey

d) racist and hatemongers of the Greek Cypriots

e) racist and hatemongers of the Turkish Cypriots who do not tow the line of fascistic ideas imposed on the TC's by the Denktash types for 30 years, while they kept our people isolated from their fellow citizens, the GC's on the island.

f) they were sold a "bill of goods" to believe that our people would be massacred by the GC's and that giving up their liberty to live under a "corrupted society" was a small sacrifice to save their souls.



These are very clearly the attitude of the two of the most morally corrupted individuals on the forum, VP and Zan. VP has been living on the island for the past 16 years, but you would never know it, since he never posts anything that is negative in what the "trnc" does, but blames all the problems of the north to the embargoes and isolation imposed by the world, and yet, you can buy close to anything you want in the north. As you said, that there is a one car for every two person in the north, despite living in a false economy. Instead, he tries very hard to justify and support policies of the north which are Racist, Undemocratic and violation of Human Rights as a model for the future for Cyprus. Here is a man who was born and raised in the UK for the first 30 years of his life before moving to Cyprus, and yet, he has zero appreciation for True Democracy and Human Rights. As for Zan, he has lived almost all of his life in the UK from age 2, and he too, have a very dim view of Democracy and Human Rights. These two individuals try to pass themselves as the voices of the TC's in the north. Just because our people have been kept as "prisoners" on their own island and spoon fed information from the likes of Denktash with fascistic ideas, as well as our people who have been made to corrupt their moral values to feel comfortable in stealing others land and property to claim them as their own, because the alternative was massacre by the GC's if they refused, so they were made to believe.



For a long time, myself and Birkibrisli, or it seemed, to have been the lone voices in combating these two individuals as well as many others with similar and sometimes even views that are worse, if it's possible, but over the last 6 months, I have seen a change on the forum where more and more TC's are speaking up against the morally corrupted NeoPartitionist, which is very comforting to know. We all want peace, but peace that will take the country in the right direction and not a temporary one where sooner or later we will end up back to the days of 1963 again. But if you listen to these NeoPartionist, that is exactly what they want. They want to have "peace", just like what the Annan Plan offered, so that a partition can happen at later date, but this time legally with the recognition that came with it. I do not believe these are the desires of True Cypriots who genuinely want peace and want a True Federation with every one's democratic and Human Rights in place. Talat so far has shown himself to be all over the place with his comments about what peace should look like, and if "peace" doesn't look like what Turkey wants, or the fascists from the north, then the EU should bend it's rules to accommodate the north, no matter how undemocratic or how much the plan has Human Rights violations. In another words, not only we have created a "corrupt society

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 429


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 11:17

There,s that bloody echo again !!!!!!!!!!!

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 429


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 11:54

Jealous of what, get a life woman. It was a joke !!!!

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 324


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 12:32

The internal affairs of the TRNC is a matter for its politicians and citizens. Everyone is not naive enough to believe everywhere else in the world is perfect.



In terms of wanting partition, yes it is the most politically sensible and pragmatic solution to Cyprus for the Turkish Cypriots in the TRNC and its citizens; and for the Greek Cypriots but they don't know it.



The only reason the de facto partition in Cyprus hasn't brought riches to the TRNC in the same way it has to the Greek Cypriot ROC is because one is recognised with all the advantages it brings, and the other is not recognised internationally therefore it is very much at a disadvantage-obvious I should have thought.



Turkish Cypriots everywhere know how much safer and secure they and their relatives were and still are after 1974. This is something that will not be easily sacrificed. Greek Cypriots want everyone to believe that the Turkish Cypriots will be safe from victimisation, attacks, being murdured etc. which is why anyone who suggests otherwise is ridiculed but the facts of the past speak for themselves.



No matter how much one might say 'forget the past', this is not possible mainly because the threat still exisits. And how do we know there still is a potential threat from the Greek Cypriots? Well, all one has to do is look at how they've treated, still treating, the TCs, the fact that they do everything possible to deny them their human rights; the discrimination and racism - the negative attitude of the Greek Cypriots against the Turkish Cypriots -just go onto the Cyprus forum to see all that from the Greek Cypriots. GR oops er Pike has provided a link for you all.



Zan and VP do an excellent job countering the lies, Greek Cypriot propaganda and racist Greek Cypriots (against TCs/Turks) on that site.

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 393


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 13:36

Illegal Immigrants Update.





I would not be surprised to get the following letter from my Solicitors:





"Dear Rob XXXXX



The claim against you for compensation and Interest has become more convoluted.

A number of other parties have made counter claims which could seriously protract the proceedings.



Namely: Descendants of the original Cyprus settlers, the PPNA (Pre Pottery Neolithic people), circa 9000BC, probably Iraqi, Syrian and Anatolian Turkish, who introduced agriculture and livestock, have made claims against the Descendants of the later invaders the PPNB, Levantine Arabic, who stole their lands and livestock, circa 7000BC.

Their descendants have made claims against the PPNC invaders from Palestine and Egypt, circa 6000BC.



During the next few thousand years there appear to have been a number of differing civilisations, some ending abruptly, indicating further hostile invasions. To date we have received no counter claims from these parties.



The next counter claim we have is from descendants of Turkmenistan invaders, who, circa 4000BC developed the Copper mining industry. Their claim is against Myceanean Greeks, who invaded circa 1400BC.



These Greeks have claims against the 'Sea Peoples', circa 1100BC, pirates, raiders and traders. They also claim against the Assyrians who took the Island circa 700BC.



The Greeks retook the the Island circa 669BC, but it was retaken by Egypt circa 570BC, who have a claim against the Persians who took the island in 545BC.



The Persians have a claim against the Greeks who retook the island in 321BC, although the island was run under Egyptian rule.



Cypriots then gained some independance but are claiming against Italy, as Cyprus became a Roman province in 58BC. Mark Anthony 'gave' Cuprus to Egypt again, but it became Greek again.



Greece now has a claim against Arab States who invaded in 688AD. For 300 yrs it was jointly ruled by Arabs and Byzantines, despite the nearly continuous warfare between the two parties on the island. (nothing new there then!!).

965AD Byzantuim retakes the island.



Byzantium has a claim against Richard the Lionheart who took to island circa 1200AD, but subsequently sold it to the Knights Templars.



Descendants of Knights Templares have a claim against the Franks (Lusignans), who then invaded the island. Latin was the official language, then French, and much later Greek. The Republic of Cyprus is born.



The Franks have a claim against the British who took over the island in 1878 as a protectorate for the Ottoman Empire.



Cyprus is annexed by the UK in 1914 and becomes a Crown Colony in 1925. Planned Enosis with Greece failed in bloodshed.



The rest is 'very' recent history!"







So who could have a claim against my property in NC??



Well,... obviously it is Greeks,... or Turks,.....



or:



Egypt

Italy

Iraq

Iran

Syria

Israel

Palestine

Lebanon

Turkmenistan

UK

France

etc,... etc,...







Until someone decides,.. I think I'll just enjoy life in beautiful North Cyprus!



rob

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 429


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 13:53

It,s PC Pike, he,s on his bike

His truncheon in his hand

He doesn,t joke , he,s after folk

who bought illegal land



It must be true cos here comes Sue

with a copy of the SUN

she,s on page three and so is he

Well that should be good fun.



But do not cry cos by and by

The truth will clearly speak

And then these two can go away

and brush up on their greek.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 2155


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 13:56

hattie , that was really really good

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1961


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 14:17

pike

not sure if you are aware the compensation commision is already in placeand if anything does happen solution wise the commison will be more regulated and monies will be paid out to who have lost!!! fact not coffee shop gossip



you said that what i said was not clear enough for you but you still understood but i asked you what would do personally if you was in that situation!!!! of course you did not answer me directly just beating around the bush with you counter comments!!!!

so you are saying it was the t.c's greed which made them sell their houses not that could not afford to live in them because of low income etc which again was forced on them by the south or would you have prefered the t.c's to keep the properties warm for the g.c's if a solution was ever going to happen to gladly just give it back to them so they become homeless once again!!!

answer me this then the houses that the g.c's occupy have they kept them so they can give it back to the t.c's who owned them before, thats if they was not demolished or did they sell them for greed to expats in the south at the expense of t.c's



hi donna long time no hear we have to be carefull on what us turkish cypriots whether if you are from u.k,turkey.or cyprus say becaue pike the forum police will quote you whatever forum you post on and disect your personality and where you come from, and whatever you do dont mention the past because that does not make any diffrence to people who try and hide it!!!!



hattkins whatever you do mate dont make any jokes because you are jealous of sue that she ALWAYS (not whenever) agrees with pike on whatever he says

ukturk

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 429


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 14:21

A little bit of humour never hurt anyone, and whatever we say on this forum or any other will not influence the outcome of the talks, just my opinion for what it,s worth.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1961


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 14:30

hattikins

life or no life mate im cracking up that was very funny!!!! lol

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 14:50

dy: "Turkish Cypriots everywhere know how much safer and secure they and their relatives were and still are after 1974. This is something that will not be easily sacrificed. Greek Cypriots want everyone to believe that the Turkish Cypriots will be safe from victimisation, attacks, being murdured etc. which is why anyone who suggests otherwise is ridiculed but the facts of the past speak for themselves."



The idea that the GCs would ever be inclined or in a position to mount any kind of attack against the north is ludicrous. It is foolish and naive to claim 45,000 Turkish troops are only occupying Cyprus in case of an attack by the Cyprus National Guard, which has a fraction of that manpower. Turkey is occupying Cyprus in its own national interests. The needs of the TCs form merely a useful sideline to that policy, as it has since the 1950s. Not being complete imbeciles, the partitionists know this very well but their cause demands they keep silent about it.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 324


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 14:56

Hi Erkan, Nasilsin? What's happened to all your wonderful AKAs?



I read all the various forums re Cyprus and quite honestly between our own Turkish Cypriots and the objective, open minded expats, the Greek Cypriot propagandists fail miserably in trying to convince everyone that the Turkish Cypriots/Turks/Turkey/expats have acted immorally and 'illegally' where it concerns Cyprus/North Cyprus. The TRNC is legal in the eyes of its citizens, TCs (and includes so-called Turkish settlers-they are now TC citizens). This is what is important and what matters not what the Greek Cypriots say or any other.



There is no doubt, and it is morally correct that land should be sold in the TRNC if the TC owners/TRNC so wish. This land in the TRNC is exchanged TC land occupied by the Greek Cypriots on the Greek side. What? Did the Greek Cypriots seriously believe that they could occupy TC land/homes on the Greek side and that the TCs/TRNC would leave GC disputed land/homes in the TRNC totally untouched? Now that WOULD be morally wrong considering the GCs are occupying TC land and homes on the Greek side.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 14:57

ukturk,



I think most people myself included know about the compensation commission.



You said: "answer me this then the houses that the g.c's occupy have they kept them so they can give it back to the t.c's who owned them before, thats if they was not demolished or did they sell them for greed to expats in the south at the expense of t.c's"



GC refugees are not allowed to buy or sell TC refugees' properties, so either they are keeping them warm for the owners or compensation will be paid out on both sides. The real issue here is that Denktas allowed the illegal sale of GC homes in the north which has created one of the biggest barriers to settlement. Again, even partitionists know this but are keeping schtum as it does not further their cause to admit the blindingly obvious.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 15:02

dy: "the objective, open minded expats"



Subtext: "The Brits we make money out of by flogging them Greek properties and who will now agree with whatever we say because we have them over a barrel."

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 324


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 15:03

Pike,

We TCs, know full well the other reason the Turkey military is in the TRNC and thank goodness for that other reason I say. Suits the TCs in the TRNC. No need to be silent about it. If it wasn't for Turkey there wouldn't be any TCs left in Cyprus, they would have all been murdered by the GCs/Greeks. Cyprus would now be part of Greece...are you beginning to 'get it' yet?

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1961


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 15:42

hi

sue maybe you are not aware turkey does support north cyprus thru financial aid aswell as many big buisness bringing much need money into the economy and employment the reason why north cyprus is in the cold is because of the south placing embargos and complaning to anyone who will listen even recently when the e.u was promising aid to the north have you not learnt that yet or do you fail to see this!!!!

please tell me if anyone can answer me this how is turkey looking out for themselves by being in north cyprus other than the threat of the cyprus national guard what are the army gaining

to some of you the lifes of n.c's might just be a usefull sideline but to us t.c's it was imperative they was there for the saftey of the t.c's!!!



pike there you go you have answered your own question in message 45!!!

carry on thinking that the south have not been selling t.c's houses or demolishing them!!! most of my famlies homes in larnaca are not their anymore they have been torn down and replaced by shops and new developments so please tell me how does your therory ring true then!!!

and also how do you explain all the old properties that was demolished in and around the new airport the south constructed on t.c land



like you always say not to live in the past especially on what you think that the real issue was denktas its about how the issue gets dealt with now in the present!!! because if you talking about the past we all would not be in this situation if the greeks and the g.c's forced the t.c's to flee from their homes in the first place and vica versa!!!!



hi donna i forgot bout my a.k.a's i will start using them again!!!! lol

like you said most of these outsiders who have a lot to say can go on about it till they are blue in the face but it wont make a blind bit of diffrence the most important factor is us cypriots turks and greeks and if nothing can be resolved then the best thing is indepandance is that such a bad thing i cant personally see what diffrence it will make as long as both sides reconise each other, trade with each other all compensation paid to who is owed to and then we all can live in peace

warm regards

erkan a.k.a ukturk a.k.a satman a.k.a t.c occupying turkish land in turkey!!!! lol

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 16:04

dy: " If it wasn't for Turkey there wouldn't be any TCs left in Cyprus, they would have all been murdered by the GCs/Greeks. Cyprus would now be part of Greece...are you beginning to 'get it' yet."



That was the line of Denktas and the UBP - now out of power and yesterday's men. You are out of step with the current Turkish Cypriot leadership who are as we speak in talks for reunification, not partition as you want. Your views don't accord with those of the TCs who have voted for reunification by electing Talat.



You claim also Cyprus would be a part of Greece if it hadn't been for Turkey in 1974. How can that be true when the Enosis rebels were toppled the SAME DAY Turkey invaded? Turkey went on to partition Cyprus and still occupies the island with 45,000 troops. It had wanted to do this since for 20 years BEFORE the invasion. There's a huge hole in your argument. I'm sure you are a perfectly reasonable person but you should have been better informed about the political and historical framework of Cyprus.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 16:08

ukturk: "...like you said most of these outsiders who have a lot to say..."



Perhaps (I stand to be corrected) you are more of an outsider than me, a stakeholder in Cyprus with an internationally recognised ID card and LEGAL property in the north.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 324


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 16:22

Pike, you're letting yourself down again. Into scaremongering now as well as attempting to change minds about the TRNC/TCs/Turks/ property purchases? You are already exceptionally rude and disrespectful towards the Expats in the TRNC and now your latest ploy is to have them believe they will lose everything. Do you really think they listen to you?



Hi Erkan, if I believed that the TCs and GCs could live together without the GCs dominating everything in Cyprus including the gradual and stealthily ethnically cleansing Cyprus of all things Turkish (or even blatant murder/attacks of TCs/Turks), then I too would might rejoice in a unified Cyprus. However, in practice, and this wholly as a result of Greek Cypriot attitudes towards TCs/Turks in the present, not just past, IT WOULDN'T WORK.



I genuinely believe that if Cyprus remains partitioned and is recognised, like you say Erkan, for both sides to also recognise each other, trade together, keep the Turkish troops in the TRNC, it would benefit everyone and only then will the Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots live in peace on the island and without trouble or enmity. This has never been tried, everything else has and didn't work. If the Greek Cypriots are told internationally this is the way it has to be, they have no choice then but to accept a Greek Cypriot ROC South Cyprus and a Turkish Cypriot TRNC, North Cyprus.



Long live the TRNC

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1961


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 16:27

pike daniels the mind reader!!!!



Yes you are right you are stand to be corrected

i am more of a stakeholder than you i am national all my family are nationals with their kimliks and own more than one legal property and to be honest aswell as exchange properties, just because i live in turkey does not make me a outsider but the most important factor i am Turkish Cypriot where you with your reconised i.d and legal property are still a Outsider and will always be classed as one

remmeber you might be a permanant fixture but you are still a visitor and you cant exorcise that

ukturk

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 324


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 16:48

Pike, Turkey didn't leave because the TCs didn't want them to-see you still don't get it! They wanted Turkey to intervene from when the GCs began the slaughter of TCs after the GCs illegally ousted the TCs from the real ROC government est. 1960 and thereafter from when the TCs were being murdered, attacked forced out of their homes, forced to sell their homes to greedy GCs. That's why Turkey remained.



The TCs didn't want the GCs to 'protect them', is that what you think should have happened? Turkey to have left straight after the Greek/GC coup for enosis was deposed, leave Cyprus and let them get on as before? Well let's have a little look at what went on before Turkey came in and rightfully, THANKFULLY stayed: GCs were murdering TCs randomly and whole villages, GCs were forcing TCs to live in enclaves and deprived them of food and shelter (Turkey supplied food and aid to the TCs); GCs were murdering innocent TCs for simply going into the fields to tend to their crops/animals. Is this what you wanted to continue?



Pike you so obviously have GC connections and how you were given permission to buy property in the TRNC is a puzzle. Perhaps the TRNC made an error and your lineage needs to be investigated. You go to great lengths to promote the GC cause whilst demonising anything TC/TRNC. It is: either you are GC origin or it could be you are employed by the Ministry of Greek Cypriot Lies and Propaganda against all Turkish Cypriots and Turks anywhere on Earth and Expats in the TRNC.

Biker



Joined: 11/01/2008
Posts: 149


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 16:54

Oh what is that smell ??





It is awful, I don't know











Maybe it is a fish









No no no









It is actually a fish full of b*****t.





Have a good day Pikey.

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 393


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 17:44

As I pointed out earlier, Cyprus has been subject to partition and conflict on and off for for millenia, what makes it different this time?





Will the EU succeed where some of the strongest 'empires' in history have failed?





If they secured a resolution,... would it last?





This is just another tiny window in world events, a speck of dust in the timeline of history.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 429


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 18:04

Pikey,

You,re very good at quoting the written word on the Cyprus issue, have you ever stood back and thought about things from the human perspective.

A very good friend of ours who lives in Karakum gave his opinion on things, with respect I think he is probably better placed than yourself to comment. This young man is only a couple of years older than you,he is intelligent and well educated and more than capable of making his own mind up without the help of outsiders such as you or I.

He does not want reunification of the island, he does not trust the Greek Cypriots and never will. He was born on the south and along with his parents, sister and grandparents had to flee to the north in 1974, they did this in the back of a water tanker that had holes drilled in it to enable them to breathe and also see where they were. The driver dropped them off about 1 km short of the British base and they had to literally run for their lives as they were under fire from the GC,s, he was eight years old at the time.

He is now married with two lovely children of his own, his attitude is quite simple, the GC,s took his childhood, he does not wish for them to take his childrens. There is far more to take into account than the property issue and he would prefer the island to stay divided with equal rights for both sides. You may not agree but then again it,s not really our business is it, only those who lived through it are qualified to make the choice.

ilovemydogs



Joined: 20/04/2008
Posts: 501


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 19:18

hatkins.. well said , i think we need to hear more about the human issue, from more people who actually have lived through it. it is easy to make judgement on something. but without the full facts . it is best to keep quiet. think how you would feel if it were to happen to you. there are allways two sides to every story. and there are allways going to be conflicting oppinions. i am with you're friend i don't think reunification will work . give equel rights but then someone would want the upper hand , so it is just too complicated how would it work? who knows i know i don't .

my oppinion only don't attack me for it

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 429


Message Posted:
19/09/2008 09:42

The sound of silence is suddenly deafening.

hattikins
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