Union Jack

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 15:16

The saga started back in april. the flag pole was errected and the union jack was flown. before the concrete had fully dried the police arrived and told us to take it down!

why? under which law? nobody had the answers.

visited girne police station and asked the same. after going upstairs to the big boss, we were told no problem you can go back and fly it!



Today we had a hard morning working, just relaxing this afternoon, on my union jack sunbed in the pool when, guess what?

the police arrived and told us to take it down again! why? because their big boss says so!! big boss is from local police station.



so the regime has spoken YOU WILL NOT FLY THE UNION JACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Now we live in a tc village , most people here don't speak english so we flew our union jack so that our friends can find us. Nothing more, nothing less.

i have telephoned a friend who is a policeman elsewhere on the island to find out if there is a law regarding this? what will happen if we fly it again?



we usually sit back and let things go, but if they want to take our union jack away, what will it lead to next? our e.u passports maybe? is the british national anthem banned as well? and what ever you do don't mention the queen!

welcome to the racist trnc!

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 15:32

What next - we can't play Land of Hope and Glory!

cruggs


Joined: 06/04/2008
Posts: 498

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 15:37

hi firestarter,as you may know we have had the same problem in the u.k

with small minded councils and the pc brigade telling us not to fly the union

flag,perhaps if you also flew the cypriot flag all would be well.

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 15:38

I hear that there is a street in Ozankoy where the houses are owned by Irish people. They apparantly have Irish flags flying from all the houses.



Does anyone know anything about this ?

cruggs


Joined: 06/04/2008
Posts: 498

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 15:41

hi no1 doyen, in this economic climate i think we can only play land of hope

don`t know where the glory`s gone lol

Aga Buyers A G


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 488

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 15:44

Quite interesting link below as regards UK laws and flag flying



I fly the Stars & Stripes outside my house or occasionally the State Flag of Tennessee - suppose I must wait for the knock on the door, actually hell will freeze over before our council make me take down my flags here in the UK !



http://flagspot.net/flags/xf-home.html



Suz

ABAG Member

Bowman


Joined: 02/05/2007
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 15:45

There were some villas in Catalkoy where the Tricolour used to be flown. I dont think it is now though.

dixie normus


Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 820

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 15:51

Fire starter, You must remember you are a guest here among these corrupt racist 3rd world thieving sods, rules are made for us cash cows to follow and not question, try giving the big boss a bung and you could probably flash your ass as well as fly the union flag.



Best wishes



D.N

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 16:12

Cruggs. Good One!

bootneck



Joined: 23/06/2008
Posts: 242

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 16:32

Try flying the Scottish flag they love it!!

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 16:37

firestarter dont you realise that the union jack is not the correct title for 'our flag' it actually called the union flag - No doubt that many scots like Andy Murray wont even recognise union anything however without English money and investment where would Scotland be?

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 16:51

bollocks rocky utter garbage!!!

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 17:29

See what I mean, i need a scottish phrase book to understand one of the words not sure its in the english dictionary

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 17:33

aslo what is garbage what evidence do you have to substantiate your claim the union flag is the union flag and many scots do not like to be called British and prefer the St Andrews flag or is the andrews jock

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 17:36

learn this its called the saltire!!!!!!!

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 17:38

fly the flag of saint george leave the johny come latleys to the union out of it see how it goes



If all else fails fly a white flag with £ on it

Mr Vince


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 696

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 18:04

Littlenige



I am unsure what you mean about the johny come lateleys to the union. I can only assume that you are possibly refering to Scotland joining up with Englandshire, Wales and N Ireland to form UK.



You are slightly missinformed. In actual fact your Queen Eliz of Englandshire, a Tudor, unable to produce an hier, apon her death the Englanders crown was passed to King james VI of Scotland,son of Mary Queen of Scotts, a Stewart, who adopted the title of King James I of UK. So your linage follows from us Scots, not the other way round. This was the Union of the Crowns.



Vince

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 18:21

WE English have civilised the world admit it, you never hear flight controlers or frenc pms speaking in galic of whatever dialect or welsh as ENGLISH is the language of the world ,



English ways have brought civilisation , comfort , creativity, healing and wealth to the world.



That land up younder brought. north sea oil blue and white face paint 007 what else.



The land to the west brought woolie jumpers and loads of jokes what else.



he emerald isle brought potatoe cakes a cracking sence of humour the sinclair c5 and a NO VOTE TO THE EU CONSTITUTION ( well done ) what else.



England is the land of hope promise and the land all want to be in why else is there a queue at calis to get in.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 18:24

we are not allowed to fly the tc flag as we are not tc's. the turkish flag you will need a licence to fly! the roc flag and the e.u flags are both arrestable offences. so we are told.

my teenage son has a pair of very shabby underpants, so i think we will put them up the flag pole instead. unless anyone knows there is a law against it. lol.



i'm sure there must be somewhere! so if anyone is looking for our house ,we are the ones flying the shabby boxers.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 18:25

It's Scotland's Oil.

Elliecy


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 18:37

This place seems to get more ridiculous by the day. They complain about discrimination, embargoes and isolation, yet discrimate against others and enforce ludicrous 'laws' that do nothing to endear them. I can only imagine the uproar in London if many of the TC's living there were discriminated against in such ridiculous ways. I think you should put it up again!

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 18:41

It's only to be expected in an illegal statelet where most of the brightest talent has emigrated for a better life. Who does it leave?

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 19:01

so Jock no evidence then

cruggs


Joined: 06/04/2008
Posts: 498

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 19:46

hi jock1,msg12,got over the sand fly`s then,back to the jock we know and love.

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 20:05

It is only called the Union Jack when flown on a navy vessel. For the rest it is the Union Flag.



Personally agree with Nige. Cross of St George.

young_blitz


Joined: 13/09/2008
Posts: 42

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 20:33

i have the siant gerorges flag hanging out of my window at home and about an a4 size union jack on my motorbike they havnt stopped me to take it down.

young_blitz


Joined: 13/09/2008
Posts: 42

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 20:36

i got suspended from school for 1 week because every day we have to sing the turkish national anthem so when that finished me and a few mates started to sing the english national anthem . If we are forced to sing the turkish n.a why cant we sing the english n.a .

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 20:43

young b I dont think your motor bike is a naval craft so you dont have a union jack you have a union flag, where do thread posters get their edukation?

ttoli


Joined: 24/03/2007
Posts: 1172

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 20:59

young b, sorry but you live in their country so you abide by and embrace their culture.

I for one get fed up with the immigrants in the UK that dont mix and complain at every chance, shoes on the other foot now.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 21:05

I was taught that the Union Jack (or whatever you like to call it) is made up

of the flags of all the United Kingdom, i.e. England, Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland. Have you ever looked at it closely? We share our saint with the Greeks; St. Andrew.

When the London government rejected the claim (through the male line) of

the Stuart heir, Charles Edward Stuart, (the bonny prince) they opted for the

female line (!!??) through Elizabeth of Palatinate, who was Protestant. So we

got fat German Georges (no harm to them) but the last of the Stuarts was

Queen Anne. Now, why do male lines again still take precedence in this day and age? They are hardly likely to lead at the head of any army these days.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 21:13

Sod that Phylray....That is PC.



Fly the union flag. It is your right, and no one has the right to tell you otherwise!



I will stand with you, and raise a glass to the loyal toast.



God save the Queen!



wyn

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 21:23

Any one caught wearing Union flag shorts, should be made to take them down!



Some brits can not help the "bulldog" mentality and like to plant the flag where ever they go. If you are lucky enough to live in a beautiful village and neighbours are unable to give directions to all your visiting friends then why not fly a pair of M&S "Y" fronts from the pole and this would indicate where you are. Neighbours may well see it as a slap in the face to them, as one or more are continually calling the Police to take it down.



Have a look when you go through Aya Napa as they have hundreds of Union flags flying to attract visitors.



And as for the national anthem....leave it out....we do not even stand up for it in England. For kids to start blurting it out after the homeland one was done was an insult to the school. Grow up, or better still get back t o England and see if you can get the head teacher to have it sung at every morning assembly. I bet you do not even know the 2nd verse of the National Anthem!!….or better still when St George’s Day is??........23rd April.

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 21:39

phylray isnt the union flag made up of three flags St George, St Andrew and St Patrick cos Wales isnt really a country is it? it has a few sheep, a few mountains and some choirs doesnt it?

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 21:41

Sorry I forgot.



God save the queen as well.



Was presented to Her Majesty in 1974 at the opening of "The London Stock Exchange" along with "Sir Ted Heath"

jakki



Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 865

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 21:59

Can't believe some of the rubbish on this posting. Rocky is right, it's a Union Flag unless it's on a ship , where a flag is called a Jack.



I think it's totally wrong for anyone to try and replicate their nationality in another country- many of us complain [quite rightly] about those who come to the UK and won't accept our customs etc. I may [well do actually] hate the Aussies in cricket and rugby, but if I lived there, I would support them. i don't have a problem with a dual nationality, but if somewhere is good enough to live, then you should support the place and their customs and teams etc.



When we go to Cyprus, we make a point of going to places out of the way, not specifically to avoid Brits, but to try and soak up some of the culture. I try and learn a few Turkish words and hope to improve my language skills. I can honestly say that apart from the rampant beaurocracy of the place, we have met nothing but warmth and politeness from the Turkish people of NC. I don't accept being discriminated against, but equally it's for us to try and learn the language and customs of the country where many of us have purchased a property. I'm proud to be English but it might help some of us to have an arrogance bypass, and try to fit in as guests or fellow nationals in NC.



For the avoidance of doubt [and to save Jakki getting any stick], this is Arthur

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 22:13

Respecting the culture of the country in you are guests is in my opinion of paramount



importance. However retaining your national identity, is of equal importance.



I will always raise my glass for the loyal toast, and stand in awe of a raised union flag!



For the avoidance of doubt, how many ex pats live in overseas lands, but still look to the



National Health Service, for their healthcare needs?



Shameful,



wyn

jakki



Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 865

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 22:26

Don't disagree Wynyardman.



A balance between pride in one's native land and respect for anywhere one goes is absolutely correct.



Proud to be English and have a Cross of St George on my numberplate, rather than the EU flag. I got fed up using a GB sticker when going abroad, and seeing "Ecosse" and "Pays de Galles" on other cars, so I thought I'd have the flag of someone born in Turkey on my car!

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 22:41

You must be joking rocky!

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 22:53

phylray which message r u referring too? yes I do like humour - some people may take it the wrong way. But I do dislike scots who do not support other British teams in europe or World trophies also I dislike english people (Im english)) who support any team or side who is opposing a Scotrtish side. Regretably most of these are moronic fottball supporters.(and Andy Murray)

I always support(from my armchair) Rangers and Celtic whoever they play in europe although of course I will not support Rangers anymore this year. Thats even better than the scots.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 22:54

hi guys

fire starter are you telling us everything or just the edited version ,what village are you refering too . i have family who have the union flag in their gardens along with the turkish flag there is no law against it as far as i am aware of .

i have a turkish flag and an irish flag in my back yard ,but they are only small

i would in no way fly a full size flag ,although i feel british i still believe you must show some respect for the country in which you reside.

my cousin was born in britain and at forty two he moved to the kktc ,he flies the union flag along with the turkish flag ,no problems .prehaps if you fly the turkish flag along side no one will say anything ,give it a try.

dixie dormus

why do you put up with the "corrupt 3rd world thieving sods "

come back home to us man we will welcome you with open arms





musin

long live the kktc

stevefingers



Joined: 10/09/2008
Posts: 12

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 23:24

St George the Turkish Arab, patron Saint of England.

Fly the St. Georges flag to find out some real ignorance.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/apr/23/hewasbornin

Checkmate


Joined: 31/08/2008
Posts: 140

Message Posted:
17/09/2008 23:47

I am a proud Scotsman, and a proud Brit. As I have served along side Scottish, English irish and Welsh people, to help keep our island free. And so have so many before me. I love my life in Northern Cyprus and will respect each and every person I meet, until they give me reason not to. I say fly OUR flag with pride!



A True Proud Brit/Scot.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
18/09/2008 00:32

young blitz: "i got suspended from school for 1 week because every day we have to sing the turkish national anthem"



You have to sing the Turkish national anthem in a Cypriot school?

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
18/09/2008 00:35

Better than a Strathclyde police station cell, excrement encrusted.



wyn

Elliecy


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
18/09/2008 15:18

Just been to Girne, there are plenty of flags (including the British) outside many of the hotels..!!!

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
18/09/2008 15:56

musin,

we live close to bogaz (girne area).



we live in a tc village, so jakki i look forward to seeing you when your off the beaten track so to speak. just ask for the "english" at bogaz police station, i'm sure they will direct you as they don't have much else to do.



anyone who knows us, knows we are not the british bulldog type, but i do like my flag and it helps people find us. we have many tc's friends who are disgusted with the situation as well.



there is more to this flag than meets the eye. when the trnc team cetinkaya,played luton town and the game got stopped last year. my hubby and his friend were the people they used in the newspapers pictures, which went all over the world. showing the suffering of the trnc in sport.



so it was okay when they wanted to use their pics and our flag for political means but if my friends need to find me then thats not allowed.



show them your understanding and support! and thats how we have been repaid.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
18/09/2008 16:02

wyn , what is with you and encrusted excrement ?????

regards , pat

young_blitz


Joined: 13/09/2008
Posts: 42

Message Posted:
18/09/2008 17:31

no it is a english school i went to not a cypriot school

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
18/09/2008 17:45

At the E.Med. College in Famagusta the Turkish national anthem

was sung each morning at assembly, just as it is in Turkey. I don't

even know if Cyprus has one, and if it has why they don't sing it.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
18/09/2008 18:06

Rocky

I meant post 33, (it could apply to 38, but let the Welsh defend their own!)

I am not really into football, and all the petty behaviour that goes with it.

Everyone I know here in Scotland is disgusted with Rangers fans at Manchester. When we lived near Manchester they supported United, &

when we came to my country they supported Celtic, as it was the best team

at the time (still is, they would say) But, no, we are not R.C! I do believe

the Irish flag was flown at Celtic matches in the past (?)

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
18/09/2008 18:14

young blitz: "no it is a english school i went to not a cypriot school"



Not your fault buddy but it's a scandal that the Turkish authorities tried to indoctrinate kids by making them sing a foreign anthem. I hope it's been banned now. It's as bad as the flags. That goes for the south as well. The Nazis did that kind of thing in the countries they invaded.

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
18/09/2008 18:43

phylray of course I was joking about wales I dont think I am the only one but I was trying to stimulate some welsh interest on the thread. I guess they are all at choir practice!

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
18/09/2008 19:56

Point I think Firestarter is making, what is the reason he is not allowed to fly the flag.? I see plenty of Turkish flags, and not all flying alongside TRNC flags.

Oh and by the way, next time anybody is in Germany,go to a Turkish or Yugoslav apartment block and see the flags on balconies etc,and doesnt present a problem.



As is constantly said in UK, you would think the police had better to do.



Just had a thought,what if the bold Gary R decided to fly the flag,would it come down? Aye Right!



Rocky,

There is no way you support Rangers or Celtic!

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
18/09/2008 20:46

girne I dont want to admit I support Ipswich Town and did when we had George Burley Alan Brazil amongst them, they were the days. Yes in Euro competitions I do add my support from my armchair to the scottish teams

Talla



Joined: 18/12/2007
Posts: 37

Message Posted:
18/09/2008 22:31

Re: Post 18 - littlenige



That land up younder brought. north sea oil blue and white face paint 007 what else.



1. Telephone

2. Television

3. Decimal Point

4. Fax Machine

5. Radar (which saved London from getting obliterated in world war II)

6. Continuous Electric Light

7. Steam Engines

8. Bicycles

9. Breach Loading Rifle

10.Tarmac

11.Penicillin

12.Hypodermic Syringe

13.Insulin

14.Golf

15.Retail Banking (a Scotsman founded the bank of England)



I've listed but a few...the list goes on....does that cover your "what else"?

406,000 hard working ENGLISH left the...."the land of hope promise and the land all want to be in why else is there a queue at calis to get in" in the last 12 months.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
18/09/2008 23:54

Right Talla, did you get it from the tourist teacloth?

It's not bad though for a wee country of around 5 million

and not forgetting whisky, (water of life) huge export, and haggis! (not such

a big export, but good!)

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 00:56

Talla the oil had been there for thousands of years whilst the scots tossed cabers and hunted haggis if it had not been for the english government the tax concessions etc etc the scot s would not have even known there was oil there.Throughout my working career in Banking Finance and Financial services Regualtion I have worked with many scots who have settled in England coz they know wheres best.

Talla



Joined: 18/12/2007
Posts: 37

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 02:09

Rocky: Please read my post properly before you decide to embark on a haggis hunting, 'tossing' mission...maybe that's what you were doing instead of reading my post properly.

I didn't mention anything about oil! I was merely responding to littleniges post (post 18) about what the Scots had brought to the table over the years; BESIDES North Sea Oil! Plus "blue and white face paint and 007".. There, I put the quotation marks in for you.

Whilst we took a time out from hunting haggis and decided to invent the radar, what would you "not even have know was there"? Oh yeh...that's it...bombs..bombers and more bombs, thus saving the seat of your English government.

Very seldom do you go into a guest house in the tourist regions of Scotland and find that it isn't English owned, that being the case...what are they doing there? If England's best as 'you state'. I'm not slighting England here, I'm merely defending my little nation!

PS: A working career in Banking Finance? what would your chosen vocation be if it were not for the fact that a Scotsman pioneered retail banking, savings banks and the Bank of England, oh not forgetting the decimal point?



Phylray: roughly five came from the touristy tea cloth, I didn't bother with the rest as they didn't have the same impact. I mean marmalade can't really compete plus it's got bits in it...and I hate bits...

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 02:59

Yeah, whaes like us?

Think the story was of marmalade -from the French mer malade - cure for sea sickness (apparently). All the world (except the English, and I am half English)

are so jealous of us because they have lost their vitality, for want of a better word. Slainte mhath.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 03:08

Pike

I do not agree that it is a scandal that they sing Turkish national anthem

in school asemblies here in N.Cyprus because they know they owe their existance and nationhood to Turkey. I have never heard you condemn the

terrorists of Eoka who committed horrendous atrocities here. Long live Ataturk

who brought Turks to the modern secular state. Look to the postings of your

Greek extremists.

sixpence


Joined: 14/07/2008
Posts: 25

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 03:09

Rule Britannia!



That's all I have to say!

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 03:43

We always support the underdog. That is British, as I am, and proud to be

Scots too. From a warrior race, father ,grandfather fought in 2 world wars to

keep our islands free.Married into a warrior race, yeah.But gentleness is stronger than anything. See how the snowdrop comes.....

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 10:28

talla of course you are correct I was forgetting my history of the savings banks it was a Dr Duncan wasnt it?...where is the savings bank now though some of these Scotish things dont last like Rangers in Europe? its hidden in in LLoydifax or Hallilloyds.I guess the nearest savings insitution to what Dr Duncan initiated would be the credit unions. Thank you for stimulating my brain well the historic section anyway

jakki



Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 865

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 11:13

Rocky-



Your reference to Hallilloyds. Did you mean haemorroids?



Or are you referring to piles of cash?



Arthur

bootneck



Joined: 23/06/2008
Posts: 242

Message Posted:
19/09/2008 13:40

One question who has the better national anthem? and isint brittania a boat

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
20/09/2008 12:19

we would like to thank all our tc friends for their help regarding our bayrak. unfortunatley the decitions stands we are not allowed to fly our flag.



i have been told that someone from the army was in the village earlier this week.

maybe this explains why the powers above have made a stand on the situation.

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
20/09/2008 13:43

Jakki re 65 I will have to sit on that one for a pile sorry while

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
21/09/2008 02:26

Phylray: "Yeah, whaes like us? Think the story was of marmalade -from the French mer malade - cure for sea sickness (apparently). All the world (except the English, and I am half English) are so jealous of us because they have lost their vitality, for want of a better word. Slainte mhath."



Your'sh my besht mate, you are.