Yippe PTP in 18 months

Chelpet


Joined: 10/03/2010
Posts: 253

Message Posted:
08/02/2011 17:17

Got our permission to purchase in 18 Months, and Kocan will be ready for us when we get out there in May, thank you Ayse Gurkan from Gurkan & Gurkan Solicitors, and we really didnt have to push too hard, only made two enquiries about it, we were assured all along no problem, just be a little patient.

andy2b123


Joined: 21/12/2010
Posts: 141

Message Posted:
08/02/2011 17:29

Well done it has taken us 6 years.

nostradamus


Joined: 15/04/2008
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
08/02/2011 17:45

Congrats on getting your PTP - doubly so because of the Gerkins dealing with it! I have the misfortune to be dealing with them over an estate winding up and they are the slowest lawyers - anywhere - that I have ever had the misfortune to be involved with. I think the speed of your PTP is likely to be unusual haste on the part of the relevant government office rather anything that G & G have done!

spud1


Joined: 22/05/2007
Posts: 544

Message Posted:
08/02/2011 19:08

just got mine after 4 years

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
08/02/2011 19:13

Msg 1 - dont get too excited until Kocan in hand - how many have heard, been told this before!

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
08/02/2011 19:48

pre 74 ??

Geoff

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
08/02/2011 19:50

Msg 1

Cowboy outfit, still waiting for mine having paid them in 1999!



Richard

Chelpet


Joined: 10/03/2010
Posts: 253

Message Posted:
08/02/2011 20:26

MSG 6, no its not pre 74, Geoff



Hopefully should not have a problem with Kocan as Villa was purchased from NC neighbour who had it built on land he owned along with his Villa, Scoty.



Sorry regarding your delay Richard, but I can only speak as I find.



I am just pleased to have got this far with so many horror stories on this forum, and in this amount of time.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
08/02/2011 21:56

I know we all get a bit immune to it on here, but take a step back and see what we are celebrating .



Someone is over the moon because it has ONLY taken 18 months to get PTP !



PTP is a discriminatory process reserved for foreigners in the TRNC.

Even if you accept the basis that it is necessary, the process should take no longer than a month, particularly bearing in mind that you have to provide your own police check information.



PTP is the cornerstone of the state sanctioned property fraud in the TRNC.

It ensures that buyers have usually paid in full, even on off-plan developments, before PTP is either granted or refused.



Although Chelpet is happy with the timescale, during that (short) 18 months the builder/vendor/developer/landowner could have defaulted on debts or loans and the property could have had memoranda placed on it...without Chelpet's knowledge !



Chelpet....I hope you get the deeds in your name in May....check for memoranda beforehand.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
08/02/2011 22:25

Yippee............... Got my PTP over 3 years ago............. still got no house!!!! got no deeds!!!! in fact got "NOTHING" hope it goes better for you Chelpet!

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
08/02/2011 22:44

Unfortunately, I'm one of those who have been refused PTP. I agree with cronos. PTP should be done away with.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 12:03

In defiance of its own constitution, I, also, was cheerfully refused PTP by the TRNC government.



Why celebrate being granted PTP on so called 'exchange' property?



The 'Orams Saga' should be warning enough!

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 12:20

Msg 9, said:



"PTP is the cornerstone of the state sanctioned property fraud in the TRNC. It ensures that buyers have usually paid in full, even on off-plan developments, before PTP is either granted or refused."



What worries me is that this may be a government scam hatched years ago. When the property boom was on it was great. foreign money was rolling into the TRNC but there was always a peace plan in the background. So they made sure of getting the money but not giving anyone non-TC legal owneraship so we can be kicked out of the country if they do a deal with the GCs needing land and property. No citizenship = no rights!

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
18/02/2011 09:55

Re Msg 13: that argument only makes sense in regard to property that was originally GC owned, or property built since 1974 on land that was originally GC owned. It does not explain why they are refusing PTPs on pre-1974 TC owned properties/land.

Geoff

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
18/02/2011 10:04

Er Geoff



>> or property built since 1974 on land that was originally GC owned. <<



It's STILL 'GC owned' ....

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
18/02/2011 10:13

.....which is precisely why I can't see what the 'Yippe' is for.



Currently, no foreigner can OWN property in TRNC - it's impossible!

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
18/02/2011 10:31

That may be so but with the ECHR beginning to use the term “passage of time“ its very unlikely they will ever be able to return to their ancestors home.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
18/02/2011 10:44

Cooper....if the original,and still true owners of the GC land and property either cannot or do not want to return to their property then presumably compensation will be in order?



Who will foot the bill?

Turkey?

TRNC?(presumably using Turkey's money)

...or the new "owners" of such property !



Compensation may have been paid out in a few token cases thus far but the overall compensation bill for the thousands of properties affected will be astronomical.



Obviously I'm fully aware that land was "acquired" on both sides of the border, but I'm particularly talking about the TRNC side and whether the Turkish "guarantee" will actually be worth the paper it is written on.

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
18/02/2011 10:46

Re Msg 15: exactly so, but it is not GC (prior) owned stuff you can't get a PTP for, it is the pre-74 TC owned stuff.

Why do they issue PTPs for GC owned stuff??

Geoff

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
18/02/2011 10:52

Geoff...msg 19



Exactly.



The TRNC will give you permission to purchase "disputed" land which is not really theirs to sell, but will not give you PTP on their own undisputed Pre 74 land and property !



You couldn't make it up could you ?



They will of course allow you to buy it, sign a contract,pay in full and go through the whole "legal" process before arbitrarily denying you PTP some years in the future.

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
18/02/2011 10:52

Only time will tell cronos but I would be more than happy to chip in.

walkerscott


Joined: 13/08/2009
Posts: 901

Message Posted:
18/02/2011 11:23

Those happy and unhappy members please don't forget to complete the Poll boxes:



http://www.no-deeds-no-money.moonfruit.com

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
18/02/2011 11:41

Re Msg 20: exactly correct, Msg 13 suggests otherwise or that is how I read it; maybe I mis-read it??

Geoff

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
19/02/2011 17:34

Geoff,



No, I think you read it right. Looking at the whole scenario logically I think this has long been a game plan of Turkey. Let the foreigners pay over the odds for property they will never own but at the same time contributing massively to the NC economy, thus lessening the burden on Turkey. Then when needs be let the GCs do their dirty work for them by targeting those in "exchange" properties and don't allow anyone title to legal pre-74 properties, as these are needed for uprooted TCs - who are citizens and Cypriots with international rights that we don't have.



I've a feeling that the population exchange after 1974 wasn't the last...

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
19/02/2011 17:37

Zoots....msg 24



Have you been reading my mind ?

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
19/02/2011 17:47

Cronos,



Very possibly! What always got me was the motto: "Our Sovereignty is Your Guarantee". That seems to have been quietly dropped some time ago...

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
19/02/2011 18:31

Ptp is given to non TC's on pre 74 land. What law states it can't be? Please quote with a link / proof if you feel i am wrong! Put your money where your mouth is.

Ptp was also inforce in the Roc in years past. Things have changed since they joined the EU.

If we had been refused ptp, i would be talking it personally. There is always two sides to every story.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
20/02/2011 10:27

blade: If you got PTP after 2006, you need to check the validity of your original title deed.



If it checks out OK, you are protected from scams during your tenure, but any successive foreign buyer is, as the law stands, subject to PTP application to which your PTP confers no right, whatsoever.



In fact, if you have paid the various transfer taxes, you have been well scammed - caught with a 'double-whammy', as those who have been refused PTP have no obligation to pay anything other than Stamp Duty!

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
20/02/2011 11:06

Zoots, thanks for your msg 24, I am sure you (we, I agree with you) are right on this one.

Geoff

Famagusta City.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
20/02/2011 11:23

Blade....msg 27



Once again you come forward to try and convince us that PTP is not a problem on Pre74 Turkish Title property !



You have stated before that you HAVE got your PTP on a Pre74 property.

This goes against the experience of the vast majority of applicants in the TRNC.

Obviously I've no reason to doubt your own experience....there ARE foreigners in the TRNC who did get PTP on Pre74 but this was for property bought and applications made several years ago.



If you got your PTP on a GENUINE Pre74 Turkish Title Deed, and you BOUGHT the property AFTER 2006 then you truly are the exception .......well done !

However, if you try to sell your property to a foreigner then as things stand at the moment they will NOT be granted PTP.....it's a fact.....believe it.



You ask "What law states it can't be?"

Obviously there is no such law !

The TRNC administration is many things...but they certainly aren't fools !



How would it look if they openly admitted this covert policy?

caulkhead


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
20/02/2011 11:24

PTP is being refused on pre 1974 British, Foreign and Turkish Cypriot owned property. It seems the only property a non TC is allowed to buy at the moment, is property where the seller does not not have any internationally recognised right to sell it.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
20/02/2011 11:47

It doesn't just 'seem', 'caulkhead' [Isle of Wight resident?], it's a bloody undeniable fact!

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
20/02/2011 13:11

In defence of blade we did get PTP and kocan on pre-74 but it was several years ago. As for selling to a non-TC that is a moot point. We're in no hurry to sell as it was a long-term investment but others have more pressing needs.



Buying property anywhere in TRNC seems to have been a massive confidence trick by the authorities.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
20/02/2011 13:16

Zoots....my point exactly..."several years ago" !



But anyone reading this forum and considering buying NOW should be forewarned that they will NOT get PTP on Pre74 if they are a foreigner.



And your comment about "massive confidence trick"...spot on !

I've said it before, they've played a blinder.

WAZ-24-7



Joined: 18/10/2008
Posts: 695

Message Posted:
21/02/2011 00:08

So where does the IPC figure in the debate. It is clearly the case that both TC and GC have been awarded compensation for displacment from their respective pre 1974 property claims.

Certainly after the Orams the IPC became the precedent for claims upon property and the ECJ endorsed this line.

Who then owns the said property once compensation has been agreed, accepted and paid out.

Surely there will be a slow but sure transition of property as more settlements are agreed.



I think that many GC and indeed TC are still sitting on the fence to see what happens regarding settlement talks. Cetainly many are holding out for what may be a better deal that may be acheived by taking their claim before the IPC.