GCs present day attitudes towards TCs/Turks

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 324


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 18:14

Posted by one named GR(Get Real): 'The Ottoman goofballs deserve NOTHING as they never gained ABSOLUTELY NOTHING either during conflict or peace.

These little Ottoman shits running around today shamelessly requesting “power sharing” and other things, are doing so by taking advantage of Turkey’s blackmail and certainly not because of some “victory” they’ve ever had on Cyprus.

In the end, when all the bla… bla… has run out and trouble erupts on the island, they will be the FIRST to get incinerated and simply cease to exist, as should’ve happened a long time ago.

Regards, GR.'



These are the sort of people the TCs are supposed to trust and agree to reunification without the presence of the Turkish military in Cyprus. Believe me they are not the minority. Go to any Greek Cypriot forum and you shall read many racist, derogatory and threatning commentst against the TCs/Turks in Cyprus.

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 76


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 18:26

peace is something that was def gained.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 324


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 18:48

Start of quotes: 'Ali (Turkish Cypriot): “THE TURKISH CYPRIOTS WANT RECOGNITION OF TRNC, THEY ARE ENTITLED TO IT AND THEY WILL GET IT.”



The following is all written by a Greek Cypriot from another forum:

Quote: 'Not on MY land you don’t arsehole… the moment you cross the red line will be your last. I don’t know about your books, but in our books treason is NOT rewarded with free land but execution.



Feel free to go to Turkey and submit an application to grant you a “state” and see how far you get. Good luck.'





AND YET MORE racism and threats:

'The National Guard (Greek Cypriot) has enough firepower to literally INCINERATE your treasonous sorry arses, and your whole pitiful existence you call “TRNC”, well BEFORE your mommy even has time to come running from all your screams…



You’re going to have to be quick though… the blinding bright light of ignited phosphorus means it’s already too late... '





'Is 30 years of stockpiling enough for you Ricco? …because the Cyprus problem WILL lead to a military confrontation with mathematical accuracy whether you like it or not.'



'The RoC would be VERY foolish to sign any eternal “deal” with a garbage country like Turkey, whose signature is never worth the paper it’s written on, instead of opting for the relatively small sacrifice of losing 20, 30, 40, or even 50k men for her rightful liberation. '



'What’s important is that the price the RoC will have to pay for her freedom can be easily replenished… both human and financial within a couple of decades, but the price the Ottoman remnants will have to pay will NOT be reversible, so the RoC is really better off going for the military option.



That’s the kind of BAD RUBBISH the Ottoman remnants are and little wonder why they should be thrown out of Cyprus altogether.' End of quotes.



The above reflects what the GCs are really like and their attitude to the TCs/Turks in Cyprus. It will never change.

shytallknight


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 41


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 22:57

last paragraph of message 3, you could very well be right, maybe the solution is for the UK to take back the island, after all there was no squabbling when we were in charge.

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 614


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 23:03

here here shytalknight squabblling does not cure anthing, anyway we will all be dead oneday so please enjoy every day rather than moan. Come back Richard the Lionheart

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 324


Message Posted:
18/09/2008 23:06

The British didn't start a campaign of murdering the TCs or the GCs. However, the most peaceful time in Cyprus EVER has been since Turkey intervened and accepted the invitiation by the TCs to stay.



Long live the TRNC

phylray


Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 573


Message Posted:
19/09/2008 01:16

My professor friend in Istanbul said to me "It's our island, and we can take it

back whenever we want" Be warned. Would you put your trust in a Greek navy, or any of their forces? Who would stop the Turks if they decided to take

it - again? Not that I want that but, look at it from their side.

phylray


Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 573


Message Posted:
19/09/2008 02:07

You are right dy1259

Biker



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Posts: 149


Message Posted:
19/09/2008 12:00

Pikey /Sue (whetever you call yourself today)



Your comments on this subject are appreciated.



Niker

fire starter


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Posts: 1379


Message Posted:
19/09/2008 12:37

dy1259

the post your showing here are taken out of context, which don't show the other peoples, possibly tc's attitude to the gc's.



as for GR or GET REAL he is a decent guy, who has helped me out with things loads of times. if you don't like his posts don't read them.

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 389


Message Posted:
19/09/2008 13:46

Firestarter.



Although I dont post on the other forum, I have been reading it for some considerable time now and I agree with the first paragraph of your post (msg10). However, my instinct (rightly or wrongly) is that it appears more venomous from the GC side but I not in a strong enough position, Cyprus knowledge wise, to argue the point.



I am having a little difficulty in reconciling the comments in your 2nd paragraph with those of GR detailed in message 1 above. Although I do believe he is a brilliant WUM! He is obviously highly intelligent and knowledgeable and his positve contribution to the Cyprus Problem would be highly significant if he tempered his views (and wind ups! LOL).



I have to say, I find your comments on the other forum well balanced.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 324


Message Posted:
19/09/2008 13:58

firestarter

If you believe that the TCs attitudes are as bad as the GC attitudes then you support my point that reunification will never work because the GCs and TCs won't be able to live together in peace. Long live partition therefore, and international recognition for the TRNC.



Whether taken out of context or not is irrelevant, the quotes above are what this GC said about the TCs and his vile comments reflect GC attitudes generally from what I've seen on the GC forums.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 324


Message Posted:
19/09/2008 14:10

Quote firestarter: '..if you don't like his posts don't read them.'



I have to read them first to see if I like them. LOL. It's not a case of whether I like them or not, it's more: 'let us see what the GCs think of the TCs, let us read what the GCs think of the Cyprus problem'. And my are they predictable, full of hatred and lies and propaganda against the TCs and Turks in Cyprus.

Biker



Joined: 11/01/2008
Posts: 149


Message Posted:
19/09/2008 16:14

Pikey



Still no comment?



Really suprised that you are not reading this thread mate.



Sometimes "silence is golden" Ah!!

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 639


Message Posted:
19/09/2008 18:39

firestarter



i have read get real guys posts and i don,t like them ,but i will keep on reading them ,so i don,t forget the anomosity the g/cs have against us t/cs.



so this man who posts with such venom is really a nice person ,becouse he helped you out .



are you sure the your union flag was taken down for no reason .

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 639


Message Posted:
19/09/2008 18:52

dy1259



the kktc is turkish and whatever people post greek or other it will be turkish forever ,no one can challenge us for it, least of all the greeks .

they should try too live and let live,we are all human



musin

long live the kktc

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
19/09/2008 20:18

Nice one! Susanne - once they've settled in it would be good if they would like to talk about their experiences, hopes for the future etc.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 628


Message Posted:
19/09/2008 20:20

Nice on susspike.



So you have middle class NC as neighbours as tenants!!! Will they be buying in the future either NC or GC land in the South. It will be nice when the lady comes around for coffee mornings and you can educate her on all that is wrong with where they come from. Of all the crap you have written on this forum this one has to be the worst of propaganda drivel. You need to have a serious look at your self and also the other half of the team. YOU ARE NOT VERY NICE PEOPLE. (my opinion)

PtePike



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Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
19/09/2008 20:23

Phylray: "My professor friend in Istanbul said to me "It's our island, and we can take it back whenever we want"



A bogus professor with pretend qualifications, perhaps. What kind of academic would say something as ludicrous as that?

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
19/09/2008 20:29

Msg 20,



Sounds like a comment from someone who has lost the argument on points or lack of debating skills, compounded by not liking the way things are turning out in Cyprus and hating those who remind him of it.



Best put it on the market.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 324


Message Posted:
19/09/2008 20:42

Pike,

It is you getting desperate because decent people are taking absolutely no notice of the inaccurate rubbish you write. You repeat your Greek Cypriot propaganda every which way, take any opportunity to malign the TRNC, its leaders, past and present and the TCs worldwide. Of course you want to minimise the number of people you GCs (you act like one) would call 'real' TCs so that the GCs can continue their claim of being the majority and that TCs should have no rights to equal power in Cyprus.



All we do is laugh at you when you say things like 'real Turkish Cypriots'. I don't need to justify myself. I'm proud of my TC heritage, culture, customs, my family, many of whom live in our country, where we are the MAJORITY, in the TRNC. I love the TRNC. All my friends and relatives from the UK are moving out here-these are many. Don't cry, Pike. LOL.



Carry on deluding yourself that Cyprus will be reunified. LOL. It won't. You posted a link promoting the Cyprus forum, there you will find your answer why there will be no reunification. These are the GC people who we are supposed to be united with. These GC youth were brought up to hate TCs/Turks, they were taught this in their schools, their churches and by their parents. And, hey..guess what? Their schools still promote the same racism against the TCs/Turks. These are the reasons why reunification will never happen.



I've said this before either you have Greek Cypriot connections or you have something to gain from all your Greek Cypriot propaganda.



Finally, Long live the TRNC.

PtePike



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Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
19/09/2008 20:59

dy,



How's the weather in Laandaan?

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 324


Message Posted:
19/09/2008 21:16

Pike, you are defeated in debate and all you can reply with is an accent you assume I have. There is an adage:



'Assume and you make an ass of yourself'.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 628


Message Posted:
19/09/2008 21:46

Susspike,



cheers, send the info and I will pop in and have a chat when I'm in the area.



And a good evening to pikey....the "lLord Haw-Haw" voicebox for the South!

"GC Calling.....GC calling.....Surrender you scum of the North"

I'd say you could well be a relative of the said William Joyce.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 639


Message Posted:
19/09/2008 22:13

susanne





lets hope" get real" does not live next door to your new turkish neighbours.







long live the kktc

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 76


Message Posted:
19/09/2008 23:14

dy1259.



absolute spot on mate,



pikey boy is a fake everyone knows it just give it time,





jay76

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1961


Message Posted:
19/09/2008 23:39

it does not surprise me the attitude held towards turkish cypriots they are either uneducated or they belive the propaganda that is taught to them from a early age or even some of people no offence like sue who are not really clued up on the whole subject of cyprus but likes to post a view on the back of other people

what surprises me are people like you pike because you go on about how the mainland turks are bad and that they over populate north cyprus and make turkish cypriots loose their identity and t.c's are theifs cos they are living in g.c's houses why the hell are you still living in north cyprus with your legal property if its such a bad place with bad people!!, you say you have many t.c's friends have they actually seen what you write on these forums or have you told them how you feel about them (its good to get it off your chest!!) if they did see this i dont think they would still be your friend!!! im mistaken your t.c's friends agree with what you say am i correct!!!!!

aweverard


Joined: 13/07/2008
Posts: 36


Message Posted:
20/09/2008 06:14

Well it is incumbent on Sue and other GC moderates to educate the GC nationalists if there is to be a rapprochement between the two communities.



The ultra-nationalists are a minority of GCs but the TCs, due to experience, do not trust that the majority of GCs will do anything to help "Evil is done when good men do nothing" comes to mind.



A start is being made with the proposed changes top the GC school text books and hopefully this will take place given what is said in them currently:



"Well, yes… Let’s take a look at the History of Cyprus, the textbook taught in the first year of state secondary schools: the brutal intercommunal fighting of 1963-64, after Makarios tore up the 1960 Constitution, is headlined as “The Turkish revolt”, which saw the Turkish Cypriots unilaterally pull out of government and force their population into enclaves, from which Greek Cypriots were barred.



Then in the summer of 1964, the Turkish air force bombed Tylliria and Turkey threatened to invade. Out of the blue. Just like that. As they do… There is not a single mention of the vicious civil war that raged between December 1963 and the summer of 1964, an event as traumatic to the Turkish Cypriot community as 1974 to the Greeks."

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=41245&archive=1



and given this



"A Council of Europe recommendation on the teaching of history was signed by its members, including Cyprus, in 2001. It seeks to avoid the misuse of history in democratic European countries. Some of the definitions of “misuse” being “fixation on one event to justify or conceal another”, “distortion of the past for the purposes of propaganda” and “an excessively nationalistic version of the past which creates the 'us' and 'them' dichotomy”."

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=41372&archive=1



Standing by and doing nothing is not good enough, this was done by many GCs in the '60s and has lead to where we are now.



Sue, I trust that if you saw violence being directed at your new TC neighbours then you would call the police and demand that they do everything to stop it, organise the community in to helping, supporting and possible protecting your new TC neighbours and not be one of the 80% the population that collude or actively take part in the violence.



Only when this behaviour is common place among the GCs can the TCs feel reasonably safe living alongside them.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 1379


Message Posted:
20/09/2008 11:58

chessman re post 11.

thanks for that, i always try to be fair to both sides but sometime they can even push my patience.



dy1259 re post12.

to keep you up to date ,the forum you are speaking of is a mixed forum. not just gc as you claim. i have seen some disgracefull outbursts from both gc's and tc's on that forum. they don't just verbally kill each other but us brit also.



musin,

you judge me before you know me. we welcome you for a beer anytime you are in cyprus. just because i live here and support the trnc, i don't have to give up my rights of free speach. i have friends both in the north and south, and listen carefully to both sides. i refuse to take sides.

i only hope that both can show forgiveness and work for a solution for all cypriots.



as for my flag, i think someone has a point to prove. my friends are still looking into who this could be. i live among tc's, and have friends in some unusual places for an expat here. if they cannot help me then this comes from very high up,beyond 5th generation cypriots. i'm sure a friend in goverment will be asking questions!

i did here the army were in the village this week, so the outcome will be interesting.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 324


Message Posted:
20/09/2008 12:24

Quote 'fire starter dy1259 re post12.

to keep you up to date ,the forum you are speaking of is a mixed forum. not just gc as you claim. i have seen some disgracefull outbursts from both gc's and tc's on that forum. they don't just verbally kill each other but us brit also.'



'verbally kill each other' is what may well happen in practice if there is reunification.



'Cyprus Forum' is a Greek Cypriot forum with some TC/Turkish posters. Look at the ads etc. all refer to the Greek side. In my eyes that makes it a GC forum.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 1379


Message Posted:
20/09/2008 12:39

cyprus forum is firstly and english language forum. time clock on the forum is gmt time.

maybe a month ago they did a pole to find out who the members were.



greek cypriots based in cyprus and the uk.

turkish cypriots again both based in and outside cyprus.

they also have british expat users some who have now returned to the uk and many that are still in cyprus.

they also have another group who are from australia and new zealand from both tc and gc camps. also the same from america.

they also have one or two users from armenia and spain.

so i think thats a pretty much international line up!

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 324


Message Posted:
20/09/2008 13:49

Fire starter,

Fine with what you say re the Cyprus Forum. I will add:.. with mainly GC posters and a GC emphasis...



I'd like to end all this splitting of hairs now.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 639


Message Posted:
20/09/2008 16:08

firestarter

how do you show forgiveness to one human being when they post with such hate towards another human being,i think most people would find it quite diffucult ,i am referring to one individual and not all greek people .



i have in no way judged you ,how can anyone judge a person without meeting them.



we are all from the same species .....humans......only some people forget



long live the kktc

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
20/09/2008 19:46

Musin: "we are all from the same species .....humans......only some people forget"



Pity you can't practise what you preach, then. You come out with identical extremist rhetoric to the most die-hard Hellenists. You both need each other!

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 639


Message Posted:
20/09/2008 20:26

firestarter



good reply







musin

long live the kktc

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 324


Message Posted:
20/09/2008 21:36

I didn't know extremist die-hard Hellenists like RACIST PIKE were allowed to purchase property in the TRNC.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 324


Message Posted:
20/09/2008 22:23

More blatant racism against TCs/Turks from the Cyprus Forum(certain posters on here must feel very comfortable with the racist comment below:



Quote: a Greek Cypriot (not GR) 'Turkish is of no use to anyone except Turks .... (in remote villages in Anatolia).



Our young people should concentrate on the Classics, Mathematics etc ... and forget the Turks and their good-for-nothing language!



The more we are reminded of the presence of the Turks ... the more backward we become ..... ' End quote.



The above was in response to a thread called: UNITED CYPRUS TEACHERS PLATFORM ESTABLISHED IN CYPRUS

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 324


Message Posted:
20/09/2008 22:32

Quote from another thread on that same forum/another Greek Cypriot:'CFA is the Football Federation of the whole Cyprus. If you want to play football in Cyprus you have to play under CFA. Imagine if every tiny minority in every country wanted to have its own national team!!! Here we are talking about National teams and in Cyprus there is one Nation! What FIFA is telling you is this THERE IS NO F@CKING "TRNC" YOU THIEVING TURKS. REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS IS THE ONLY COUNTRY IN CYPRUS.' End quote.



Here the TCs are viewed as a 'tiny' minority with no separate identity or power sharing rights whatsoever-a view supported by many GCs hence the vote against the Annan Plan and the 'ROC' policy of isolation/embargoes against the TCs/TRNC.

phylray


Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 573


Message Posted:
20/09/2008 23:04

P. Pike

One may not like what she said, but my friend is not a "bogus professor"

The University of Edinburgh can vouch for her, as she did much of her

research there, and was highly regarded by professors there. I did not

agree with her sentiments, and told her so. I have never heard her speak

badly of Greek people though.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 429


Message Posted:
20/09/2008 23:26

Re message 39

Was it last year when the FA gave in to the demands of the Greek Cypriots and banned an English football team, Luton I think it was, from playing in TRNC in a friendly match.Yet another example of the attitude towards TC,s and Turks.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
21/09/2008 00:06

Phylray: " I did not agree with her sentiments, and told her so. I have never heard her speak badly of Greek people though."



So if you didn't agree with her then why did you post her comments to back some thing up on this BB?

Turbo



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 474


Message Posted:
21/09/2008 05:19

Hi Firestarter, I had to have a little laugh at this one, I don't usually call people up on their spelling or typos but this was a peach:

"they did a pole to find out who the members were" were they indeed stripper poles or was it a May"pole" or were they actually from "Pole'land" on the pole , taking the "poll"?



Keep up the good work and keep those "poles " coming.



Ok , sorry all, back on topic.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 324


Message Posted:
21/09/2008 13:52

My mother told me that the Greek Cypriots in Cyprus used to regularly play a song on the radio in the 1960s for the TCs to hear (and of course they did) called 'Bekledim da Gelmedin' meaning 'I waited but you never came'. This was done to tease and torment the TCs who wanted Turkey to come into Cyprus to save them from being genocided by the Greek Cypriots. On two occasions Turkey was about to intervene but didn't.



Of course the GCs stopped playing it in 1974. LOL.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 1379


Message Posted:
22/09/2008 14:01

turbo re post43

my spelling has become a lot worse since living here. simple things are no longer obvious. my english sometimes mingles with my turkish. As for the poles they are all in the uk, taking my friends work! Hands upmy spelling is c---.



dy1259

lots of people have extreme views, but is not worth getting up set over. you don't like the views of people on the other forum so why keep going there?

Lots of my tc friends have extreme views on turks, i usuallly just tell them i don't want to hear it. They have since met some of my turkish friends and changed there views slightly.

It all well and good hiding on a forum and having a go at people. Why not meet up with them, have a beer, tell them to their face, you might even get to like them!

Lifes experiences shape the way we think. Just because of a few bad apples you cannot blame a nation of people.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 324


Message Posted:
22/09/2008 16:54

Hi Firestarter,

I occasionally read the Cyprus Forum but I'm not a member. I quoted their views, a mixture from those considered extreme to those considered moderate , to illustrate what they really think of TCs, and that reunification will be on their terms only, it seems. I've read through many GC forums, mixed GC and TC etc etc and I see the same message time and again, whether it's put politely or aggressively: 'TCs should not be allowed to power share', 'TCs are a mere minority, why do they expect to be in government?', Turkish 'settlers' out 'All of Cyprus belongs to the GCs', and so it goes on. That, I'm afraid is the reality.



Need to make this clear: I'd don't 'have a go' at that person for the sake of it or because I've been 'upset' by him; what I do, is respond to his unfair, biased against TCs/TRNC, propagandist comments.



If you're comfortable with not challenging such views against TCs/Turks/TRNC, that's entirely up to you and I respect that. However, on these occasions I felt it necessary to have my say.



Regards

Donna

phylray


Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 573


Message Posted:
22/09/2008 17:51

Pike

Didn't use her comments to back anything up. (What?) Just to show

academics can also make extreme comments. Where have you been lately?

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
22/09/2008 19:12

phylray,



I wouldn't rate an academic who makes comments like that. Where have I been? Posting most days - there's BB a facility so you check people's posts, dates etc.

phylray


Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 573


Message Posted:
22/09/2008 19:41

Pike

You seem to have lot of time on your hands. Am retired now (I hope) but

even so am pretty busy. I do rate my friend as she has proved to be a loyal

friend over 20 years, (whatever her comments). What is BB? Afraid I am not

so au fait with the technology, but I am learning. Do you?

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
22/09/2008 20:21

phylray,



If you're retired you may not have realised it was a public holiday down here today, meaning outdoor activities needed for a three-year-old and a seven-year-old. But I've always time for you. ; OK, the woman's been a loyal friend to you but she was talking rubbish saying something like that. It's the kind of thing one tends to hear from Volkan readers and UBP voters, not academics.



BB is shorthand for bulletin board - where we're chatting now.

phylray


Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 573


Message Posted:
22/09/2008 23:06

Pike

I may be retired, but I do get to know of public hols. We have one here too.

Weather is great and kids off school today. Get grandchildren from school

tomorrow, 5 yrs. & 7, then hope to pick brambles & apples. Yes, best to get them out while weather is good.

My dear friend talks rubbish sometimes, but she is a patriot, and from a very

lovely family. We may not always agree, but I understand where she is coming from. What is Volkan & UBP ? Pardon my ignorance.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
23/09/2008 11:38

Phylray: "What is Volkan & UBP ? Pardon my ignorance"



Volkan (Volcano) is the mouthpiece of the far right and UBP the Denktas political party largely supported by Turkish settlers. About 30 years out of date in other words, and seen by many Turkish Cypriots as having betrayed the TC cause. One or two members on here know even more, I'm sure.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 1379


Message Posted:
23/09/2008 12:16

dy1259 re post 46



as you have been spending some time on the other forum, you can't seriously believe that the racist extreme behaviour just comes from the gc's. i can assure you it doesn't.



i truely don't believe that the gc's want the tc's out or to take full control.



i challenge them all of the time, but if i had been through a war, been displaced and lots my home maybe i would feel the same as many of them do.



We as outsiders need to give a little understanding to cypriots on both sides.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
23/09/2008 14:44

msg 53,



I think someone like you who actually lives in North Cyprus and contributes to the place is less of an outsider than a Brit in London.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 1379


Message Posted:
23/09/2008 16:18

its all about getting a balanced view and not taking sides.



i often get a verbal kicking on both forums, but its about not taking things to seriously.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 324


Message Posted:
23/09/2008 18:20

Quote msg.53:'We as outsiders need to give a little understanding to cypriots on both sides.'



My relatives and parents in the TRNC would not be happy with you calling me an 'outsider'. Perhaps you don't realise it, I'm TC and very much a part of the TC community in the TRNC.



I also disagree with you on your point,

(Quote )'i truely don't believe that the gc's want the tc's out or to take full control. ' (End quote)



history has shown this to be the case from 1963 when they ousted the TCs from government to the rejection of the Annan Plan to the present day.



Reading GC opinions on various forums (not just CF), says a lot to me. The opinions are not formed in isolation, there will be influencing factors; parents, relatives, friends for example. I know my partitionist views are shared by my parents, relatives and friends - all TC living within the TRNC and outside it. It's not just a few 'extremists' as some would like everyone to believe. These so-called extremist views are held by the majority thus making them a popular view. Don't be fooled by people playing with words. Look at the facts and actions of people and politicians.



I doubt anything will come of the talks.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 639


Message Posted:
23/09/2008 19:09

donna

bos ver ,aldirma bu adam rumlari cok sever ,turkleri esek yerine koruyor.



the talks will come to zero as always .

the only outcome is a kktc and a roc" live and let live"

lets hope they get used to it soon.

musin

long live the kktc

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 324


Message Posted:
23/09/2008 19:13

Hi Musin,

Biraz yinaciyim bu seylere! LOL.



I agree: live and let live

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
23/09/2008 21:04

Haram olsun.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
23/09/2008 21:14

Msg 56: "I know my partitionist views are shared by my parents, relatives and friends - all TC living within the TRNC and outside it. It's not just a few 'extremists' as some would like everyone to believe. These so-called extremist views are held by the majority thus making them a popular view. Don't be fooled by people playing with words. Look at the facts and actions of people and politicians."



FACT: The Turkish Cypriots of Cyprus voted for reunification by electing a pro-settlement leader. The Greek Cypriots of Cyprus did the same. Both communities want change and a future for their children. You and your ilk in London or wherever do not represent the views of the majority of Turkish Cypriots. You are stuck in the past, which is why Turkish Cypriots often take such a dim view of the vocal minority Londrali who were never there in the hard years. You may be able to fool some naive people on here but you don't fool real Turkish Cypriots and you don't fool me.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 639


Message Posted:
23/09/2008 21:15

"haram olsun "





elaborate

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 324


Message Posted:
23/09/2008 22:17

Msg.60

Pike,

Which TCs in the TRNC are you talking about? I have never come across a single one who backs up any of your claims. Give me some examples. Where are these TCs who would rather yeild to the unreasonble demands of the GCs than support a North Cyprus free from trouble or fear? Poll after poll shows that TCs would not vote for unification now. Also this 'vocal minority' you speak of are related to the TCs in the TRNC-their parents, grandparents, siblings, cousinsin laws, the list just goes on and on-they all matter to each other. They would not talk about their nearest and dearest in that way. The fact that you say it demonstrates a lack of knowledge or understanding of TC culture.



I'll say it again: You are an outsider and you do not know what you are talking about.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1961


Message Posted:
23/09/2008 23:22

hi guys

FACT yes they did vote for a new president for change but that does not mean they did this because they want reunification, they already did this in 2004 and voted yes but if you ask the same people now belive you me the answer would not be the same!!



pike so let me get this straight my family, cousins, friends and freinds of friends dont really love or like me because i lived in the u.k and then in turkey and i was not there in the hard times excuse me, north cyprus is still going thru hard times the only diffrence from then and now no turkish cypriots are being killed because the army are there protecting them!!!!

please tell me who lead you to belive that turkish cypriots hate their own kind where ever they live, next you will be saying they prefer greek cypriots to a londarli turk!!!!

i really cant see how and why anyone wud be trying to fool any naive people!!!

so now you are with your turkish cypriot brothers and sisters all of a sudden on not fooling you or t.c's what is there to fool please tell me!!!



so you think that turks who live in the u.k london especially are more of a outsider than any foreigners who live in north cyprus

so please answer me this do you consider yourself more of a outsider in the u.k now you dont live in the u.k compared to a romanian/polish who is there working

ukturk

PtePike



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Message Posted:
24/09/2008 11:11

ukturk: "pike so let me get this straight my family, cousins, friends and freinds of friends dont really love or like me because i lived in the u.k and then in turkey"



Er no. Family dynamics has nothing to do with what I'm saying, which is that some of those who label themselves as TC on this forum do not represent the views of the majority of Turkish Cypriot in Cyprus. In fact they are the political and ideological enemies of the Turkish Cypriots and are against the reunification that the majority want.



This could be because of identity crisis, growing up in Britain as the children of immigrants and facing the same racial abuse as West Indians, Asians and other groups. This can bring insecurity manifested in fanatical support for the politics of the parents and "motherland", clearly now in the past and rejected by native Turkish Cypriots. I think in many cases it fosters contempt among this second generation for native British and Cypriots alike, many of whom reject the "foreigners" from London.

ilovecyprus



Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 1571


Message Posted:
24/09/2008 11:19

PP



You are not answering their question.



Who is your source? What specific poll/cencus are you refering to? How do you know that this is the view of the majority? Are these personal friends? How many people are you refering to?

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 324


Message Posted:
24/09/2008 11:48

Pike,

It is not family dynamics I am talking about! Those Turkish Cypriots you claim disagree with every single TC living outside of Cyprus are the same ones we are related to and KNOW. You cannot distinguish between us, we all sing from the same song sheet.



Quote Pike, 'rejected by native Turkish Cypriots'End quote. Wishful thinking here on your part. LOL.



Not only do you claim to know the opinion of every single TC in Cyprus about every single TC outside of Cyprus, now you claim to know what every single TC outside of Cyprus has experienced in the UK. LOL LOL



You have provided no evidence to support your ridiculous claims.



I'll tell you what though, Pike, you are now stooping so low that only insects can see what you look like.

PtePike



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Posts: 2345


Message Posted:
24/09/2008 15:27

ILC Msg 65,



Your misplaced "gallantry" is a waste of time. The Turkish Cypriots voted for reunification by electing a pro-solution president. Do you want the election result figures to make it any plainer? You know very well that some people on this BB who call themselves TC are British born and raised - and have no influence on (or much respect from) the Turkish Cypriots of Cyprus. They are outsiders who only rate on BBs frequented by subservient or inexperienced expats.



I was born in Wales to a Welsh father but left aged two and was raised in Scotland. I have no memories of the place. I was shaped by the country I grew up in. Do I go on to Welsh nationalist websites trying to tell the people of Wales and how to run their own country? No. Do I tell incomers with holiday homes in Wales how the Welsh people really feel? No. Because if I did I would be exposed by anyone of moderate intelligence as a charlatan and an outsider trying to impose my own totally unrepresentative views on others. Need I be any more blunt, or is the penny starting to drop?

MUSIN M