Cyprus Airways to shut down by April its Turkey fault

wanderer


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Message Posted:
22/02/2011 16:58

CYPRUS Airways (CY) could shut down by April at the latest, if parliament fails to approve the €20 million earmarked as compensation from Turkey’s ban on its airspace, Finance Minister Charilaos Stavrakis warned yesterday.

But the news was even bleaker. Even if the funds were approved, said the minister, there were no guarantees that CY had a future, with negative ramifications for the economy in general and CY’s some thousand employees in particular

Stavrakis said Turkey banning Cypriot flights from its airspace created a serious distortion in CY’s competitiveness. “The government wants to compensate the airline for this injustice,” he said. “We have sent a pre-warning to the EU about our intentions, but I feel that we don’t have any choice but to offer these funds. If we don’t give this money, the airline will close by April, the latest.”





http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/cy-could-collapse-april/20110222

japeal



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Message Posted:
22/02/2011 17:08

Typical bloody greek cypriots blaming Turkey, how about them being to blame for CTA going bust? I know responses will come about the 'invasion not', but at the end of the day humans have suffered because of their attitudes, and I really mean Turkish Cypriots not just people like ourselves who have chosen to live here.

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
22/02/2011 17:13

Cyprus Airways is going bust because of exactly the same problems that befell CTA. Namely, too many employees being paid too much. Simples.





Paul

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
22/02/2011 17:28

CA have been going bust for years... but it's a crafty move on the part of the govt to inject another lot of taxpayers dosh..!



Having flown both Airlines, I'd say the quality of service difference that CA have over CTA is stellar



The 'rump' RoC govt. DO have point .. On the UK or Moscow routes the dogleg that CA must take over competitors is huge.. adding an hour to Moscow flights



According to an agreement signed by TR all ports and air routes are open to ALL EU members

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
22/02/2011 17:39

RE msg 4, 6xm: (...) According to an agreement signed by TR all ports and air routes are open to ALL EU members (...)

▶ Easy problem to solve: stop trying to strangle TRNC. Treat your fellow (Turkish) Cypriots as your brothers not only with empty words but - for a one time change - in deeds*.

* If not: suffer the same problems your (Turkish) Cypriot brothers suffer now for 35+ years. I won't be sorry for your problems in the South.

jacroy1


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Message Posted:
22/02/2011 20:37

100 % argee with you Dutch Crusader, problem is the Greek Cypriots think they have won the propganda war against the north. Maybe one day they will wake up and work together to a common goal, then we might get somewhere. both side have to give a bit first.

We can but dream.

fosterscan


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Message Posted:
22/02/2011 20:41

all ports and air routes open to all eu members but the trnc were stiched up by the roc the yes no vote was a joke

brother



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Message Posted:
22/02/2011 20:52

Msg.5: This is the essence and I couldn't have put it better myself. The crying of "wolf" is said to have a certain limit.

IbrahimAbi


Joined: 24/10/2010
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Message Posted:
22/02/2011 21:42

No Vote No air space No Joke



Time to have a level playing field



don't play hardball and then cry unfair

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
22/02/2011 22:47

Sorry, guys but this is between Turkey and the EU..





No deal was signed to allow 'direct' flights - a deal WAS signed to open ports to all EU members... in return for TR getting tariff-free access to EU markets..



IF this ends up at an international Court, TR will lose..



Expecting the 'rump' RoC to compromise while they have those UN Security Council Resolutions re the legal invalidity of 'TRNC' is a pointless waste of energy..

brother



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Message Posted:
22/02/2011 22:59

Msg.10: Unfortunately it is equally pointless to waste energy hoping that the flights will be allowed without something in return. The half-cocked acceptance of Cyprus into the EU made things even more difficult than they already were.



Let's see if we can keep this thread on topic - just keep saying "flights" every time you type up a response

elko2



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Message Posted:
22/02/2011 23:12

Are the governments allowed to subsidize their national airlines under EU rules? I don't think so. So the Greek Cypriotsd are looking for excuses to break the EU rules.

ismet

wanderer


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Message Posted:
22/02/2011 23:38

Ismet I cant believe that the rest of cyprus would try to bend rules such trustworthy people )

dynamicduo


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Message Posted:
23/02/2011 00:32

The sooner they go bust the better those poor greedy Greeks. Now the boots on the other foot and they have to blame who else but TURKEY

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
23/02/2011 00:37

re msg 11



Brother



You are SO right "flights of fantasy" comes to mind..



Turkey have unwittingly played right into the hands of CA and (I'll wager) they get the govt loot ..

paddywack


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Message Posted:
23/02/2011 00:40

Why would anyone want to fly CA anyway ?

kaiserphil


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Message Posted:
23/02/2011 12:17

Depends where you want to fly from. The choice from Munich is limited, involving bureaucratic stupidity at SAW (Pegasus) or a transit time of more than 7 hours at Ataturk (TA).

CA to Larnaca looks a much better option, although I have yet to try it.

elko2



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Message Posted:
23/02/2011 12:57

Any flights to Libya these days? I want to visit my friend Gaddafi

ismet

kaiserphil


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Message Posted:
23/02/2011 14:18

Better do it while you still can Ismet!

phylray



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Message Posted:
23/02/2011 14:28

People are trying to get out of there ! U.K gov. as usual slowest to react to plight of its citizens.

fosterscan


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Message Posted:
23/02/2011 16:37

phylray the government never put them there why get them out.

tonyf


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Message Posted:
23/02/2011 16:56

Open the air space for all airlines, for god's sake it is about time the politicians Turkish and Greek and Cypriots, and yes the EU and United Nations grew up. All the diversions "necessary" for aircraft are a joke its a wonder the green brigade are not on the case over emissions.



There are far more serious problems like Libya to deal with, the next civil war is almost upon us, if not there then Iran.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
23/02/2011 17:12

If life was as easy as just opening up airspace. Who would control the airspace? I know who wants to!

tonyf


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Message Posted:
23/02/2011 17:47

msg 23. I realise it is not easy but it is not a matter of controlling airspace but someone has to be in charge when it comes to separating aircraft safely, this is for air traffic control. It is a matter of safety, I think the days of shooting down aircraft by "rougue states" has ended.



The international air rules state "Intrusion into the airspace of one of the UN member states does not need any allowance when civil aviation is concerned". As Greece and Turkey are both UN members then playing politics seems to take priority over international law.

Ceylan


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Message Posted:
25/02/2011 17:06

From CyprusAir today:



I am communicating with you to express my assurance that Cyprus Airways fully intends to continue to offer the best possible service to the travelling public, as we have done for the last 64 years. We are confident that we will continue to receive your trust and support.

The Board of Directors, Management, and entire staff of Cyprus Airways have been working tirelessly, taking all necessary measures to ensure that the Company not only continues to be viable, but that it will resume its course of profitability and growth.

Despite difficulties created by mainly external circumstances, it is our firm belief that with the full implementation of the new Action Plan, which is already being implemented with encouraging results, the Company will continue its proud role as the country’s national carrier long into the future.



Cont'd

Ceylan


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Message Posted:
25/02/2011 17:07

Cont'd



Cyprus Airways is being modernised and increasing its flexibility to be able to better meet its passengers’ expectations. The airline’s fleet has recently been renewed and our passengers will soon see their choices broaden even further, while Cyprus Airways will continue to fly with safety, quality and responsibility.



Based on the support of our valued passengers and the trust built over the last 64 years, the Company believes that Cyprus Airways will remain the first choice for you and your family.



Thank you again for choosing Cyprus Airways and for your ongoing support.







Kind Regards,



George Mavrocostas



Executive Chairman

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
25/02/2011 17:52

paddywack



>>Why would anyone want to fly CA, anyway <<



Politics aside.. if you have to regularly fly, then they had / have the most modern fleet and nicest aircraft (A330's to London ) on the UK and other major routes off the island



..and they were quite happy to keep the red wine flowing to cattle-class

andre514


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Message Posted:
26/02/2011 00:16

some of the huff 'n puff above about the trnc illegally obstructing flights

is not only the accepted "international" viewpoint

but as such it makes it difficult to "argue against the accusation"

...unless one adopts a whining, defensive tone



very much like the whole status of the green line, clearly an armistice line

even if stelios himself called it a "border" and it does look surprisingly like one



then again there are even yet talks going on

and arguments that the island should never reunify are pretty much indefensible



even so the gc regime will always find itself facing a stout defence

of the no-fly zone, the green line and the continued survival of the trnc

whatever technical faux pas are created in the process



as regards the overall strategy of carrot and stick,

happy-slapping north cyprus while at the same time bleating for peaceful unification:

well, I was always told "you cannot ride two horses with one behind"



andre

LondonCypriot


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Message Posted:
26/02/2011 01:39

450 embassy job cuts planned



The Foreign Office is planning to axe around 450 jobs from embassies and consulates around the world, including posts helping UK citizens and supporting diplomats, union leaders said today.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/450-embassy-job-cuts-planned-2223543.html#

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
26/02/2011 11:53

andre514



Before you go off on one of your 'rambles'



'TRNC' isn't blocking anything.. TURKEY is.. This is FACT - not 'opinion'





IF the 'international community' ( be it the UN or Council of Europe ) decide something - after a vote - It is official policy - until another vote changes things.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
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Message Posted:
26/02/2011 12:31

mark message 30



the international community?



"Greek Cyprus to reject Partnership for Peace and NATO membership"



don't get me wrong; this is not intended to be any argument either for or against,

but then expect america to favour their interests rather than keeping turkey "on side"?

you yourself know all about usa/cyprus conspiracies back to 1974 real or imaginary



....yet another classic example of sad gc's "trying to ride two horses with one behind"



andre