Could this begin the Cyprob Solution?

twaddle


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Message Posted:
23/02/2011 11:36

The below link gives six steps towards a possible solution of the Cyprus problem.

It is not "THE" solution but I feel sure that it could create the necessary trust and atmosphere upon which a solution could ultimately be built.

Of course, as I am not a Cypriot, I can do nothing other than hope. But there are plenty of Cypriots on this forum who can perhaps spread the word and lend support to these proposals.

Surely they are worth serious consideration and nobody would need to loose face.



http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/regions/europe/turkey-cyprus/cyprus/B61-cyprus-six-steps-toward-a-settlement.aspx

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
23/02/2011 11:43

Seems very reasonable to me.

However, I imagine the nit-picking that would need to take place first could take years.

YFred


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Message Posted:
23/02/2011 12:27

I see my fascist friends are working themselves into frenzy again over this article.



As the TRNC economy is in most need, I don't see why opening of Ercan is low down on the list. It should be the second and opening of Varosa should be the first. Opening of Turkish Airspace to Greek Cypriot traffic has nothing to do with Cyprus problem. Perhaps when Greece opens its ports to TRNC the Turks can reciprocate in the same manner.



Enjoy your frenzy boys. But leave each others thingymejits alone now. Every man to himself. We know what you greeks are like when it comes to male bonding.

BrightonJim


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Message Posted:
23/02/2011 12:35

Well spotted Twaddle, these are the most sensible sugestions I have seen in ages. They don't claim to solve the core issues (property for example) but at least it would get the two sides working together and improve the lot of Cypriots. The opposing sides may even grow to trust each other a little which would make dealing with the core issues a great deal easier.

BJ

brother



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Message Posted:
23/02/2011 12:43

Hmm, an interesting set of ideas. Having read through I felt, regardless of YFred's comment about the exact order of things, that there was something even more important missing.



In my opinion, there is no mention of an engagement in any form of truth and reconciliation. It is almost as if one day, out of the blue, Turkey decided that it was going to attack the GCs. I cannot see how the problem - the original problem of persecution of a minority ethnic group - will simply go away by opening borders and handing back various parts of the island to the GCs.



The root of the problem - with evidence from recent events - has not been solved.



How can it be simply about "If Turkey wants to become a EU member then it has to 'give back Cyprus'"

This is almost child-like in terms of logic.

YFred


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Message Posted:
23/02/2011 12:53

Brother, we have a commision to identify the location of the missing. That is as close as you will get to what you are looking for. At least people people will have closure. We kow what happened, nothing you find in the roc records will help you. They kept no records, especially as most of eoka members were police officers under Sampson and Yorgajis. What more do you need?

brother



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Message Posted:
23/02/2011 13:06

Msg.6: YFred, indeed so. I just wanted to highlight to anyone reading the linked material that it cannot be reduced to a statement such as "Turkey had no right to intervene" - which then attempts a logical exercise based on that to conclude a solution that ignores the essence of the problem.



One thing I would add to the list of "ideas" is the rule that the church should keep out of politics. I cannot understand how teaching "we must keep up the struggle" makes sense to a priest representing tenets such as "love thy neighbour".

breezyboy


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Message Posted:
23/02/2011 13:31

The author of this paper is not the first to suggest these moves and any right minded person would agree that this is a good point to start things moving.

It would be interestimg if Ban asked both sides what objections they have to such proposals.

On a minor point-

Is the use of the word "charter" referring to flights into Ercan intentional?

Is the lack of reference to scheduled flights intentional.

Surely they cannot differentiate between one and the other.

twaddle


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Message Posted:
23/02/2011 13:59

Brother, thanks for your input from a Cypriot perspective. I would however point out that nowhere in the recommendations can I see any reference to Turkey having no right to intervene. I think that they have chosen their words carefully and I see no inflamatory staements or finger pointing taking place.



Breezyboy, I agree with you with regard to Charter flights which although International would tend to turn Ercan into a bucket and spade airport rather than a truly International airport.



This has surely got to be worth discussion by the two sides. If one side started to implement these measures unilaterally, the other side would feel that they would have to reciprocate or become the "at fault" state in the eyes of the International community.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
23/02/2011 14:09

Well this article has at least got us talking.. !



The use of Tymbou/ Ercan as a charter airport is significant -if granted as a concession .. the 'RoC' aren't going to be happy about scheduled services from Turkey .

YFred


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Message Posted:
23/02/2011 14:44

6Ms in a few years we will not be needing any flights from Turkey, according to my fascist friends in the south particularly Lord FaecesFace all 70 million will move in to Cyprus. Problem solved.

twaddle


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Message Posted:
23/02/2011 17:38

Come on YFred, this is a serious issue. We need Cypriots to look to the future instead of the past and get their leaders to act in the interests of their people instead of themselves.

It is up to the people to resolve the problem that the politicians cannot or will not address.