List for women trafficking at North Cyprus Turkish Side

SuziSuz


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Message Posted:
24/02/2011 15:09

Sometime ago we were sent this facebook page, it makes disturbing reading and if you are easily shocked give it a miss. How true it is we know not, but, often there is no smoke without fire.



http://agabuyersactiongroup.wordpress.com/2011/02/24/north-cyprus-another-reason-not-to-buy-property/



ABAG

Jovial_John


Joined: 31/01/2009
Posts: 1024

Message Posted:
24/02/2011 16:04

Having read this and other topics from agabuyersactiongroup I think this whole blog is totally biased and hate filled. I understand the reasons why they feel as they do, but they are so totally over the top that I take anything written there with a pinch of salt. There is no doubt that there is trafficking of women here but I think that many of the claims in the article are pure rubbish. e.g.

"AirPort police makes contrat and forces girls to sign them and this contrat is the real trap and girls have to pay 30.000 $ cash after signing on it" - if these girls had $30,000 they would not be here.

SuziSuz


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 135

Message Posted:
24/02/2011 16:43

To us it reads that on signing the contract they then owe $30,000, not that they have $30,000. True or not its harrowing reading.



JJ

" I think this whole blog is totally biased and hate filled" - the answer is simplezzzzzzzzz don't read it !



ABAG

breezyboy


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Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
24/02/2011 17:11

Every time I come through Istanbul there are plenty of ladies boarding our flight who are rather obviously willing participants in "the oldest profession" So many that I would thought it unnecessary to need to force any more to come to TRNC.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
24/02/2011 17:14

Relaxxxxxxx.It is not the oldest proffesion in the world for nothing.It goes on everywhere,to what extreme I don't know but it goes on nonetheless.



http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/uk.htm



http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/feb/06/sex-traffick-romania-britain



http://www.unseenuk.org/

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
24/02/2011 17:26

It is all a matter of supply and demand. If you ban this trade, it goes on none-the-less in differrent forms. Its best to legalize it and have it under control.

ismet

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
24/02/2011 17:55

Exactly Ismet abi.

What's that saying.............better the devil you know..............................

Jovial_John


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Message Posted:
24/02/2011 17:59

SuziSuz

Presumably you posted it so that the rest of us would read it and you introduced it with the remark "How true it is we know not". I read it - and read it sufficiently that I could understand where it was coming from. It is a rather sad riposte to now say "don't read it" - but maybe that it was passes for logic in your circles.

Carndi


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 613

Message Posted:
24/02/2011 18:38

On TV yesterday there was a factual programme about Interpol and it's fight against the 'slave trade '.

They ( Interpol ) said that the trade in human bodies for all of the above reasons was getting much worse and now takes a large part of their orginisation to combat.

Men,woman and children are being brought from various poor countries to nearly all of Europe as well as the USA and Canada for the sex trade,body parts and for work.

People from these poor countries are willing to sell their kidneys,livers etc and are being brought to countries where there are those who are willing to pay.

Cyprus,north and south are not imune to this nor is Greece and Turkey.

It is a vile trade and if anyone should be attacked for it then it should be those who are doing the smuggling.

cavalryman


Joined: 08/11/2010
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
24/02/2011 19:05

Sad to read even if only partially true obviously written by someone with an axe to gring about the north as this is a worldwide thing.Having driven through albania and seen the girls men and children working, a lot put there by their families.As for cyprus it goes on north and south as it does in edinburgh, london, bristol, bournemouth etc etc so why pick on the trnc it does the aga group no favours at all, stick to your own grievances.I live in the harbour and during last summer got to know a group of girls from the golden girls club they met every morning for coffee some before returning from a night working.I can only say they were happy friendly (no not that friendly) and good fun,They were looking forward to going back and I met two of them when they returned just before xmas. In other words yes it goes on yes it should be stopped if its not done against their will as a previous poster said its the oldest profession in the world used by BOTH MEN and Women!!!!. I have never been!

lindoc


Joined: 30/08/2007
Posts: 220

Message Posted:
24/02/2011 19:19

Just wondering, would you have posted this blog if your aga dream home had come true, Not criticising, just curious.





Doc

IbrahimAbi


Joined: 24/10/2010
Posts: 245

Message Posted:
24/02/2011 20:09

Just an idle question. how can you tell if you don't want to read it before you open it?

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
24/02/2011 22:31

Just an idle answer IbrahimAbi! read the Post Heading! then don't open?

Maz


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Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
24/02/2011 23:03

O.K. not going to read the article, but what has prostitution and property got in common? The inference is that they are both reasons for not coming here. But for most of us property is the problem as we have nothing to do with prostitution that means we are back to one reason.

Yes, it is a world wide fact and many feel it should be abolished, but all the while there is demand, then supplycontinues. Take somewhere like Thailand. Take out prostitution and drugs lots of fmailies would have no moneya t all. How do you stmap our the evils and yet still feed the children.

Not a good enough reason not to go to the country, just as it is not a good enough reason for coming here - unless you are afraid of the White Slave Trade. Most of us are just too undesirable for that one!

Jwheeler&Sons


Joined: 10/06/2008
Posts: 141

Message Posted:
25/02/2011 00:07

Lillia Cozacenco - is mentioned as being a victim of human trafficking, on that report.

Where is she ?

Sid447


Joined: 15/05/2009
Posts: 141

Message Posted:
25/02/2011 09:44

Quote from 'yorgozlu' ".....Relaxxxxxxx. It is not the oldest proffesion in the world for nothing.It goes on everywhere,........"



Agree,



So-called 1st world reasoning doesn't always work for the best; 85% of the world see things differently. Most girls don't have much of a choice, it's the only way for the vast majority of them to feed and support a family or the chance to get a better life.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
25/02/2011 10:04

Msg 13



The thread title is "List for women trafficking at North Cyprus Turkish Side"

If you can understand what the cryptic title actually means and it's link to your property issues without opening it, you are on stronger medication than most....



You and ABAG appear to have an anti-TRNC agenda to promote which falls outside the remit of this board.

Constantly re-hashing the same spoiling and thread hijacking tactics in an effort to gain attention is becoming so tiresome.

You have your own website. I suggest you should stick to it.

cavalryman


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Posts: 314

Message Posted:
25/02/2011 10:20

Well said Groucho

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
25/02/2011 10:42

Firstly and in the interest of being even handed, I witnessed exactly the same in the South, only there they call them Cabarets not nightclubs. Back in 1990's when we lived there, groups of about 8 women would be allowed out in the daytime, they frequented the bar/restaurants but always with a minder in tow, can only guess that they might be frightened of the girls doing a 'runner'. What really saddened me was the stories of how they came, at first thinking they would work as nannies, home helps etc. but then how quickly they adjusted when they had more money than they could have dreamed of back home in Bulgaria, Phillipines and other such places. Whilst waiting in the queue to renew our residency, the pimp with a group of the girls would enter, queue jump and obtain their work permits!! from very willing officers working in the office, one can only imagine the little brown envelopes did the trick. YOu see, I really do not understand why they cannot co-exist when both sides are

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
25/02/2011 10:58

so in tune on this issue. (cont. of above)



Prostitution serves a need, on this point I totally agree. Forcing women into prosittution is wrong and even if eventually they do adjust, they should not have ever been put into the postion where they needed to. What would you do if it was your daughter?



Groucho, are you saying that C44 will not tolerate any criticism of the TRNC? How soon anyone who has a legitimate grievance becomes 'bitter and twisted' in the minds of the I'm aliright Union Jacks' Too comfortable to want to watch the status quo challenged.



I am sure the TRNC and the ROC HAVE LAWS prohibiting enforces a girl/woman into prostitiution, but until thse laws are enforced, they are useless.

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
26/02/2011 15:08

Pollymarples,



It's not that I'm challenging your right to hold views but to be honest the barrage of posts in an effort to draw attention to your plight might just alienate your readership. Taken to its logical conclusion "the don't buy here because there are prostitutes and prostitution" could be argued to auger against buying property in any country, as I can't think of one with neither.... can you? To be honest it's probably less obvious here than it is on the streets of many European capital cities.



So its a bit of a moot point don't you think?

demoly


Joined: 12/01/2011
Posts: 45

Message Posted:
26/02/2011 16:37

In most European countries its all legal and above board so cant see what the problem is

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
28/02/2011 10:20

Groucho, If you re read what it is i have said then you will realise, you are having a go at me just for the sake of it. I am saying prostitution does serve a need. I am also saying, forcing girls into it is wrong. I have witnessed it in the south. It goes on all over the world as many documentaries on the subject wil confirm.

Oh and for the record, the Turkish Army is an army of liberation NOT occupation. Just as you have the right NOT to read my posts or blogs, I have the right to write them. Live with it.



Name me one European Country demoly where it is legal to FORCE anyone into prosititution, I agree if the women are willing, then fine, their body, their choice.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
28/02/2011 10:52

I could just as easily ask you to name one European country where nobody is forced into prostitution.... I can't think of any that are squeaky-clean.



It is not legal to do so here, which is the same as it is elsewhere, so again what has this to do with your plight over property and why should influence peoples' decision to buy here?



You seem to be singling out Cyprus as a special case... doesn't seem like one to me. If you cry foul about everything do you think your readership will see the wood for the trees, or will they just think it's you 'going off on one - again'?

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
28/02/2011 12:51

Look at the orignal thread Groucho, i am not suzisuz, I am pollymarples and Pauline, I did not introduce the thread, I totally agree with ABAG and if I want to follow through with my own comments, I will. You will not bully me or brow beat into staying silent because I might upset your status quo. I do not force you to read anything I write. If you do, and I know you do, your comments are your business, just at mine are mine. You will not bully me off C44 and you will certainly not intimidate me. Read again what I said to demoly, I simply asked demoly to name me one counry where it is legal to force someone into prostitution, I did not say it didn't happen in that same country, the law is broken everywhere, hence the need for police!

My readership, as you call it, can think what they will, my style and my stance will not change to accomodate you or anyone.



Thank God for the Turkish Army. Long may they remain here in the TRNC.

SuziSuz


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 135

Message Posted:
28/02/2011 13:35

Prostitution is rife throughout the world, we all know that. We decided to share with the CYP 44 readers the email we received and the list of Clubs/Casinos/"Brothels" throughout the TRNC. This list is of interest because anyone frequenting these places is just aiding and abetting the corruption/drugs trade/sex slavery. Should their monies dry up - so would these establishments and maybe, just maybe if this email is true it would help put an end to the misery suffered by these poor women who are forced into the sex trade.



The Turks are behind many sex establishments that are in London. This can be seen by visiting the charity Eaves4women and also by reading their reports. Admittedly there are other nationalities involved, but we have only been sent the information regarding the TRNC and Turkey. There are many f/b pages dedicated to stopping women (often Eastern European) being forced to become sex slaves.

SuziSuz


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 135

Message Posted:
28/02/2011 13:38

In short - frequent these clubs and you are adding to the misery suffered by these girls. So there maybe some who are quite happy with their lot, but many reports point in a different direction. Many are forced onto drugs and become dependant on their pimps. But the really worrying paragraph in the email is regarding the Organ Mafia and their alleged disposal of girls that cannot pay or have no family.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
28/02/2011 13:53

Have you noticed suz, those who are saying we are over reacting and using this as an opportunity to 'knock' the TRNC. are nearly all..............men.



I saw it in the south, I have not seen much of it in the north although I am aware of all the brothels that call themselves nightclubs. If the 'ladies' are willing, then although I feel sorry for them, they have the right to make their own decisions, it is the youngsters who are forced into it, and have to get used to it, I strongly object to.



Prostitution as a lifesytle, if given a choice is acceptable, if forced into it, it is not acceptable. It is predominately men who live off the immoral earnings of women.

paddypony


Joined: 14/07/2009
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
28/02/2011 18:51

Msg 24 I think you are correct and I could not agree more, but there again I am a bloke with no axe to grind. Who's the bully? lol

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
28/02/2011 19:18

You know many of the elite club here , now forming an airline here made there money through prosititution in the UK where they went after 74. Got a home and found a way.Its a fact x

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
01/03/2011 08:07

Lilli - I dont doubt it. Pimps are always the winners, never the prostitutes, and there are always a plentiful supply of women to earn them money, willing or unwilling.

SuziSuz


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 135

Message Posted:
01/03/2011 11:03

That's why tourists etc....should stay away from these casinos/clubs etc. Spending money within these establishments is simply funding the criminal activities which include drug trafficking as well as the sex slave industry.



I agree PM, pimps are the winners and the unwilling females the losers epecially if they are handed over to the Organ Mafia at trhe end of their usefullness

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
01/03/2011 11:16

Maybe the oldest profession in the world, but whenever did you hear a prostitute being allowed to keep

all of her hard earned money? Always some toadie in the background living off her.



Thinking of these poor women ending up as organ donors just appals and disgusts me. I would think the recipient is at risk when you consider the diseases these poor women are daily also at risk of contracting.

doggiesteve


Joined: 06/10/2010
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
01/03/2011 11:48

any bloke that thinks prostitution is ok get yerself sorted it is WRONG WRONG WRONG

SuziSuz


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 135

Message Posted:
01/03/2011 12:20

This is an interesting report featuring Oya Talat and her call to close down the North Cyprus Brothels....looks like she didn't take it any further and as usual with the TRNC Regime spouted a bunch of TC Admin hot air



http://www.cyprusedirectory.com/articleview.aspx?ID=594

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
01/03/2011 12:45

Use the nightclubs and casinos prolifically and make YOUR contribution to the TRNC economy - cos it has f - all else to boost the coffers!



Now shoot me down in flames!!!

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
01/03/2011 14:43

Might have been taken seriously if Ali Mehmet Talat had suggested it, but I guess he would have only been joking.



Won't shoot you down in flames Tenakoutou but it would be amusing if the prostitutes had a union and they

took part in tomorrow's demo, and also you are not wrong about the coffers. Tomorrow they could hack off

Turkey once and for all.