Freedom of Speech

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 15:53

Afraid I have to disagree with the rule change. If you are going to say you cannot debate TRNC then where is the difference in debating about favourite football club in the UK or your latest baby etc??



ilovecyprus made a statment on the now closed thread along the lines of should this forum just be for discussing the various merits of services etc in TRNC if so then all the other thing must be taboo as well.



As for the so called debates, I have never actually seen one, they are all just trading opposite statements without actually discussing the merits of the statement. ie if A makes a point they should explain what that point is then B should disect that point, not just say it is wrong!!!!!!



I therefore suggest that you are making a mistake Izzet. In my view you would be better served in offering stronger moderation on both subject and individuals. I think I can take a good gamble on why you feel you have to make this change but in my view you have taken the wrong road and one that may satisfy a few but not the majority.



David

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 16:24

Cyprusishome



They were not the specific words I used and I am sure you would have to agree that discussing the TRNC does not in anyway bring up the same emotions as that of discussing the latest baby, not on this site anyway, it probably would on a baby specific site.

It's a typical liberal argument. If we ban speech in one area it means that we have to ban everything. Everything is threatened. Personally I don't think that is true.



As for the debates I agree with you. They are not debates and they never will be. People have too much emotionality on the subject. It's the Cyprus problem all over. You would only get a resolution if you had mediators involved which on a forum like this it is not going to happen. People are just going to end up slagging each other off. If i met PP and Susanne in person I would probably like them and get on with them, but on the last few topics I have wanted to throttle them. I don't like the person this forum is turning me in to.



I am not sure if banning comments on the TRNC is going to work, however I think Izzett is right to protect his forum. If Susanne is going to bring her cronies in from the other sites to aid the debating then I think this forum is in danger of falling apart

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 16:30

you can't have a debate about a period of history if one side has a blank covering that era... It would be like trying to debate WWII with David Irving..



Until the south admits that there was a history of inter-communal violence between 1960 and leading up to 1974, what chance debate?

brian24001


Joined: 23/03/2008
Posts: 606

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 16:38

Sorry Izzet, but have to agree with David, surely in this case the title of this thread should be 'Denied Freedom of Speech'

I also agree with Mark that most of the TRNC legitimacy debate threads do need people to concentrate more on the issue, and less on reactive comments. Either way, 99.9% is only opinion, but it's better to have a wrong opinion than no opinion.

Sensitive time abound at the moment, however Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, guarantees free speech and expression of opinion,without interference, so be careful as the next accusations will be saying the board is illegal.

I would politely like to suggest you consider re_amendment, and also deleting this thread, and in doing so I waive the rights I have (in this thread) under Art 19.

Izzet



Joined: 01/12/2006
Posts: 920

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 16:55

I await your suggestions to amend the rule such that:



I am okey with TRNC legitimacy debate threads.



But;

I do not want to read Greek propaganda.

I do not want to read sentences like "TRNC is illegal.".

I do not want to read sentences like "you are living on a stolen property".

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 16:57

Whats the solution then? Do we have a seperate forum for matters related to the legitimacy of the TRNC where strict rules of engagement are administered and enforced. Perhaps we can have three strikes and you are out, out from the debating forum but still free to engage in the general forum. Behaving oneself in the general forum for an extended period means one could again partake again in the TRNC discussions.



Sounds a bit complicated to me. Anyone else got a better idea?

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 17:04

ilovecyprus re post 2

the problem is that a lot of people who post here have gone over to post elsewhere and cause a stir. i have watched this for a while.



i post on both because i want a balanced view from both sides.



there is always a fair way to debate without slagging each other off.

don't take any of it to seriously!



last and final say is always admins, so i will try and behave!

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 17:08

Just read msge 5 Izzett.

Seems like a good idea to target words/sentences which incite a strong emotional response in the eyes of the other.

brian24001


Joined: 23/03/2008
Posts: 606

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 17:15

Firstly from the title, you can usually spot one of these threads, I don't go any further, if I open a thread that has gone off track in this direction, I ignore it, I choose not to post on these threads anyway.

I guess what I am saying is that if people 'self moderate' the threads will die off in a day or so, with around 40 a day on the board, it's off the bottom of the page on day one.

The problem is not actually the posters, it's the reactors.

If all members who choose to self moderate by avoiding for a week we can see how long these threads last, as for those who under Art 19 choose to participate, they can get on with it, but hopefully in reduced numbers.

But, at the end of the day if you are to comply with the DHR you have an uphill struggle, in fact an impossible one.

So, how about a request to all members who wish to, to participate in no reactions to the comments you mention or similar types?

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 17:23

Being a simple sort, I always ask the question - why do people get involved with discussions they do not like the subject of or know where they are going.



I learnt a long time ago not to get involved with Pike, MM, cypgab and several others who are quite happy throwing rocks at each other and have no real interest in the "uninformed comments" of others. I do not enjoy debating rather use the forums as an information exchange. However I did used to enjoy watching the chat develop and some of the amusing comments that are thrown but of late all that has disappeared and been replaced by boring, inane chatter.



As there is not facility for a seperate debate section, is it possible that once a thread has gone off into "politics" it be marked accordingly by admin then if anyone wishes to partake they can do so but with no right of complaint.



ILC, I did use the phrase "along those lines" in using your post. No offence was intended if it came out wrong.



However people talking about babies and football clubs is far more boring to me than the political stuff. Each to his own, was just trying to draw a parallel. LOL

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 17:25

Izzet

I agree with your stance. I've got fed up with this constant bickering/threatening/abuse about who was/is right or wrong re the conflict. No one is going to change their opinion because of what is written on this or any other forum. How many members have been lost or put off from the forum because of it? Politics and religion are subjects best left alone.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 17:25

yes i agree brian.

i have plenty to say to a certian person but by doing so it just pushes her thread up to the front page. i have learnt to hold on to my keyboard and not take people seriously. everyone just needs to chill out a little.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 17:26

Good post cyprusishome

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 17:27

ps I think you and Brian are on the right lines about this subject

flightholiday


Joined: 19/07/2007
Posts: 3217

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 17:39

Some simple questions:



1] Who set up this Forum?



2] Why did they sey up the forum?



3] Who "owns" the forum?



4] Who moderates this forum?



I might be wrong but in my opinion in that order they have the they have the right to dictate the rules.



I do not like disagreements and fights so I ilke a strongly moderated board that is above all informative and helpful to all comers. I think, as far as time allows Izzet does what he can to set simple rules and try to help us all abide by them (never easy).

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 17:44

I do not want to read Greek propaganda.



I do not want to read sentences like "TRNC is illegal.".



I do not want to read sentences like "you are living on a stolen property".



Neither do 99.97 of the other members.



By all means debate trnc BUT It leads to the same old arguments and stances from half a dozen posters If people really want that sort of debate please click the link below .



http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus-problem.html





You will find plenty on there to have your debates with.

Laptalocal


Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 99

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 17:52

I agree with Izzet and Hector. I havent posted on here for ages (and seldom view anymore) because I am sick and tired of the same rubbish from the likes of Suzanna and PP. Every thread seems to get hijacked in to a slanging match, with the same old drivel being dragged up by them (and others like them). As much as they prostest about freedom of speech and debates, they are not debates; they are often just slanging matches with each post trying to be more offensive than the other.

Some of the comments on here lately have been really offensive. This board used to be positive and helpful and maybe it is biased, but why shouldnt it be - it's about the TRNC! People shouldn't be able to come on and keep slagging it off! I think the constant negative, political threads are very off-putting and if I was a person visiting the board for the first time, it gives a very bad view and why should these people (PP/Suzanne) be allowed to continue to disparage the North and its people? If people want to live in the South fine, but I want to live in the North and I dont see why I (as a person living here) should be constantly abused for doing so. Who are these people to tell me that I live in an illegal country and I'm living on stolen property? They are nothing and quite frankly, I think they should sod off and make somewhere else miserable!

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 18:09

nige your being unfair. that would be like lambs to the slaughter.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 18:32

hi all ...being an outsider and not a resident yet ot the TRNC Iread with interest some the things that are said i the "debates",and some people do go abit OTT.Surely this forum is for general debate and not for making political standpoints from iether side,therefore if Izzet wishes to amend the rules to remove all this unpleasentness from the board,then he has that right to do so.If you do not like his decision you have 2 alternatives

(1) Go to another site where you can discuss it

(2) abide by the moderators decision.

I was always told the surest way of starting trouble was to get into a debate on religion or politics....

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 19:04

Human beings are the most destructive species on this planet. Without any rules there would be no planet left worth fighting over let alone any freedom of speech left to bother about.

Some people just have to fight over something, in this Cyprus must seem like paradise to them.

Fortunately for the rest of us they are small in number but can still be tiresome to listen to.

Cyprus is such a lovely island lets LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 19:30

Izzet

Agree with msg 5

Quote:'I am okey with TRNC legitimacy debate threads.

But;

I do not want to read Greek propaganda.



I do not want to read sentences like "TRNC is illegal.".



I do not want to read sentences like "you are living on a stolen property".'

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 19:49

Changed my mind. I prefer:



Quote:'We respect every member's right to post his/her opinions, on all issues except ones questioning the legality of TRNC.

If you do not accept this rule, do not post on the board.'End quote.



The TRNC should just be accepted and internationally recognised. In doing this, so too are TCs accepted and internationally RECOGNISED because then they'll be participating in stuff like footy and Eurovision Song contest in their own right! (Would love that).

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 20:28

Izzet,



If we allow Ilovecyprus, the board will be the lesser for it . I note that Bradus has been



posting little of late, she too was a major contributor.



I have every respect for your ownership of the board, and am happy to respect the rules but



I do think your latest ruling (whatever the provocation) is a step too far.



In my opinion, for what it is worth, enforcement of the personal attacks, insults, rules was



all that was required to restore good order. I personally have been called a thief and liar by



members of this board, without any possible basis in reality, and of course it has provoked



a somewhat heated response. Listening to this is not fair on other board members!



Many of the people provoking these attacks had been banned from other boards, and I



called for a register to be published, of those who had been so banned.



The destruction of the board was the intent of those who followed this line of



posting, and that presumably was why they had been banned from other boards.



You must question people that post under multiple names (sorry Newlad, clearly an



exception) as there is usually a devious intent, as also with people who do not disclose



personal details and E mail addresses (can be kept secret by the moderators).



I for one value my membership of this board, and I wish to see it enjoy, growing popularity.



I value the history lessons, the local knowledge, the humour and at times the downright



idiocy of some postings. I value the warmth and generosity of fellow members.



Some 4 months ago I said I would not debate with PVT Pike any further, and I advised



fellow members that there was no happinness to be had out of debating with this man. This



I hope was not unkind. Pike displays a phenomenal knowledge of Cyprus and its issues,



which is of much value, but then taints his postings, with destructive personal comments.



I for one would be very sad to see Pikey go, but board members should not be subject to



his ruthless and cutting personal remarks.Likewise Dutch Crusader and there are others,



and you know who you are!



I for one am happy to appologise for responding, but he does bring out the worst in people.



Well I have had my say, I would like to think that it was constructive. I thank you all for the



opportunity. If we can just stop the personal insults and respect others opinions, and



outlooks on life, and try to control our personal views, so that it does not cast a pall of



gloom and doom over the TRNC, then I am sure that this board will move on to even greater



membership, with a positive outlook to life , or proposed life in the TRNC.



Good luck to you all, and Mr Christophias and Mr Talat, on whose skills so many of our



futures depend.



wyn

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 20:52

msg 6: "I do not want to read Greek propaganda.

I do not want to read sentences like "TRNC is illegal.".

I do not want to read sentences like "you are living on a stolen property".



Why not keep this forum going for people who want to hear every side of the argument - including international law - and start a new one for those who feel more comfortable listening to Turkish stuff? Or start a debating section?

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 21:08

People are talking about getting offended political threads and are laegely blaming only TWO rule-abiding members for the audacity upsetting people with their opinions, yet this kind of defamatory and personal attack is allowed to remain with no comment:



dy1259: " didn't know extremist die-hard Hellenists like RACIST PIKE were allowed to purchase property in the TRNC."



Why would that be, and where are the views of those with any sense of honour and justice?

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 21:16

PP Why dont you set up your own forum dedicated to the Cyprus issue and then you can invite people to join you. Just don't bother to invite me.

Bornagain


Joined: 21/09/2008
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 21:20

I am a TC that has been given the chance to tell my side of the story on CF. It has been too long that we have been subjected to Greek propaganda without the means to strike back and set the records straight. I love the Internet for allowing me to do. I am one of the casualties of the 60's in that I was forced, one way or another, off the island. How I carry out this work that I have set out for myself is another matter and another Forum. The CF was initially set up as an exercise to get TCs and GCs talking, the idea being that it does not matter what they say as long as there is dialogue. when I first came across it however, it was taken over by GCs and had been used to slag off Turks in general. That balance has changed a bit now although I feel that the admin is still GC based and biased. It has taught me a lot about the GC mentality and myself. It serves a purpose. It is the playground of the rude and obnoxious but it does throw up a few intelligent and fair people as well although they are targeted by a well organised GC group.





Having said that. If Izzet wants to keep this Forum clear of such tactics and discussions then I do not see that as an affront to freedom of speech. It is just a limited agenda amongst people that have no interest in conflict of that nature. It is a Forum that is staying clear of politics and people should not hold that against him. Susanne and PP have other Forums in which to voice their opinions and do not have the right to do that in every Forum they choose to. there are horses for courses and this horse should only run in the races of it's choice. I can see that Izzet is keen to keep posters happy and asks opinions and I congratulate him on that. It is risky but you guys are the ones using it so kit is up to you to pick and choose and can only support the Forum by continuing to post regardless of a few posters trying to disrupt services.





I must say that I do not know Izzet and have only come to know this Forum through the complaints of Susanne on the CF.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 21:24

ILC,



As usual a very well thought out and sound proposition.



We could all visit it when we want to be insulted, and just stay away when we do not.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 21:29

If one expresses an opinion, experience on this forum one runs the risk

of being ridiculed, attacked personally, insulted. No wonder so many do

not post any more. There are only a couple of people who see fit to think

they have all the answers and anyone who disagrees with them is either

ignorant, uneducated or stupid.

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 21:32

I apologise to everyone before I start but I have to respond to the posting above(message 23) made by Wynyardman.



There has never been any devious intent on my behalf just because I choose not to give my personal details and my e mail address. The very fact that on this board you have the choice, is exactly that, my choice. If this board had been set up in a way that you had to put an e mail address I would have.

I dont want people emailing me, simple. I have enough spam and unwanted mail through using forums and do not want any more. If Izzet insists that I put on an e mail address I will, but I cannot understand Wynyardman's comments every time he makes a statement that he drags in everytime that because there is no e mail address it makes a person "usually with devious intent".

What I dont understand is that the postings I have made in response, say, to Wynyardman, he has not communicated back, instead he ignores and then later on when anything goes wrong or he does not like what is said he insinuates these people must be devious. All one has to do is reply back and say you dont agree. What are you going to say to me in an e mail that you cannot say on the board.



I have never been banned from any board. I have posted my opinions as I see from the postings, thats all one can do. Its cyber space. I totally agree with messages 9-10 where its said if you know where its going or why do people get involved with postings they dont like, when you have the choice to not look. If people ignored those postings then they would not attract the attention and in the end they fade away.



I apologise once again to everyone and slightly going of the thread but like most I would also like to see the board succeed and would prefer more general information posted but it does not bother me if politics is involved because I just come out of the thread, but it does get my goat when people make insinuations that are not true in order to make themselves come across as the innocent victim.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 21:43

Phyray,



I believe you speak for the silent majority, as well as those of us who have tolerated these



antisocial attacks. They demean themselves, but in so doing, drag well meaning members



into the depths of their own depravity.



Can we please let the good guys and gals win for a change?



wyn

linus


Joined: 04/05/2008
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 21:44

I agree fully with Izzet, Hector and Laptalocal



This forum used to be a great friendly place. Now there is so much abuse and arguments personally it puts me off. I very rarely post anymore. What's happened over the last 6 months. I think any obnoxious remarks should be just ignored and not responded to. People would then get fed up of posting them

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 21:46

Wyn

I'll drink to that! Slainte mhath!

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 23:05

hi guys

i really dont see izzets updated forum rules as restricting ur freedom of speach, i can see where he is going with this forum he does not want to direct it the same way as many other cypriot forums go and you dont see your normal joe going on there just cypriots and expats abusing each other!!!!

where this forum was just that for the noraml joe who wanted help from buying a house to wheres the best place for a english breakfast!!!! aswell as many other debates from serious to banter but it is slowly changing

really the forum has been a victim of its own success you will bound to get new members on here that you wont see eye to eye or they try and feed all kind of propaganda which then turns to abuse

dont forget north cyprus needs forums like this not abusive so it can promote north cyprus in a postive way not the other



Where do you draw the line!!!!!

i for one dont want this forum turning out like all the other piles of S..t on the net, i have seen the abuse both sets of cpyriots throw at each other i dont even class as abuse just childish schoolground behaviour!!!



belive you me i can verbally abuse just as good as the next man but the last few weeks the constant putting down of everything that is turkish has been below the belt and if anyone say thats silencing our voices then so be it!!!

if we do have these rules before the forum get more popular and then when we do get the unsavoury people joining moderators will be aware



pike you are so funny im cracking up at you!!!! lol lol

are you trying lead a revolt against all us turkish people and all the turkish stuff on a north cyprus forum!!!!

you have been a member for a few months or so and you are trying to tell people what we shud do and what we shud not do!!!, you are comical fella!!!!lol



and the answer to your question in msge25 "Why would that be, and where are the views of those with any sense of honour and justice?"

because the forum and all the moderators and members are very bad people and thats the t.c's in the north and the ones in the u.k aswell as all the expats that have belived all the turkish propaganda!!!!

or could it be everbody agrees that they are not very fond of your views however Wrong or right and i dont think they will be adding your email add to their contacts list anytime soon!!!! aswell as sue ahh bless her mis guided soul she is prob a ok person but has to learn about both sides of the divide



sense of humour is good and is needed to stimulate the brain but in certain condintions, and when you are talking bout history where both sets cypriots lost lives and properties and livelyhood, humour is the last thing on anybodies mind!!!



justice will only happen when north cyprus and its people are reconised and all these restrictions are lifted and also compansation paid to people who have lost and thats both sides before i get accused of being one sided!!!!



regards

ukturk

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 23:06

I have read back through a couple of threads and it is surprising that some of those who condemn Pike, Susanne et all often use quite malicious comments in their put down of these people. Quite hypocritical when some of same then try to ban these people for doing same to them. Maybe if these two complained formally there would be a couple of what some consider as moderate members would be suspended or removed from this BB. Think about what you say!!



I am no angel and sometimes say things that in hindsight should not have been said. Indeed on a couple of occasions I have asked the mods later to remove or edit posts. I bear no personal animosity against anyone on this BB but we all no in the midst of battle.................



As I said earlier and maintain there must be no restriction of a topic. There has got to be a stricter control of posts, several members have admitted above they sometimes go OTT, me included, so some self control to start with followed by instant rebuke from mods should solve any problems.



This is a good forum and by self moderation maybe progress can be made.



I wish to add one more point mentioned above, that of security of personal information. Personally all my info is there, I have nothing to hide but still a lot to loose in terms of property etc.



By choice some prefer to keep identity, e-mail etc protected. However there are 2 things I do object to.



1. Dual identity. I can remember a MSN BB a few years ago one member actually argued with himself!!!!! So for the sake of clarity one member one log in should be the norm.



2. I detest people saying how bad or good this country is yet they do not state where they live. Often these people have only ever holidayed here and really cannot fairly comment. I therefore request that everyone says at least what country they live in on their profile. Personally that gives some measure to how to respond.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 23:07

Bornagain Quote 'I am a TC that has been given the chance to tell my side of the story on CF. It has been too long that we have been subjected to Greek propaganda without the means to strike back and set the records straight.'



Exactly so. And when we do defend ourselves (TCs), we are either ignored or subjected to abuse and threats.

Bornagain


Joined: 21/09/2008
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 23:23

Hi dy1259



I have been dragged through it backwards my friend. I give as good as I get but stick to the truth. I refuse to be intimidated by these people. That is the problem with a lot of TCs. They take it too personally and duck out too soon. I am not blaming them too much but I have vowed to stay and they have thrown a lot at me. It is not easy. It is so bad that I feel that I have to go through some sort of decontamination in order to come here and talk to people on this Forum who seem very nice.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 23:37

Bornagain,

I've read your postings on the CF; between you and another couple of TCs, you do a brilliant job, keep it going.



I don't always post these days but if I have something to say, I'll say it, certainly in defense of TCs/TRNC. No-one can intimidate me.



Most people on this forum are very nice even if they do think I've gone too far.



Donna

Bornagain


Joined: 21/09/2008
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 23:50

You know who I am...hehehehe! Am I that obvious ;-)

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
22/09/2008 23:56

BA,

I recognise your name Z from your admirable posts on the CF.

Bornagain


Joined: 21/09/2008
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 00:02

I was going to use the same name here but the Forum does not accept a three letter nic.....Thanks for the compliment Donna.

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 00:24

Hi Zan



Yes, I post there sometimes.



Lem

w26kay



Joined: 14/10/2007
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 00:31

Well I've joined up . No doubt I will meet a few of you over there!

Bornagain


Joined: 21/09/2008
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 00:34

Hi guys



Hope you all washed your hands before coming here....hehhehehee





Be careful with the PMs there. You are being watched ;-)

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 01:29

Quote Pike: 'People are talking about getting offended political threads and are laegely blaming only TWO rule-abiding members for the audacity upsetting people with their opinions, yet this kind of defamatory and personal attack is allowed to remain with no comment:



dy1259: " didn't know extremist die-hard Hellenists like RACIST PIKE were allowed to purchase property in the TRNC."



Why would that be, and where are the views of those with any sense of honour and justice?End quote.



Pike,

For goodness sake, you don't like the fact that 'someone' in cyberspace called 'Pike' has been called a 'racist' in response to offensive comments made about Turkish 'settlers' and TCs, YET, you quote it on another thread!

Donna

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 09:15

dalorkat,



You really seem to have a bit of a hang up. I never mentioned you by name or insinuated anything!



I have observed, and sought to bring it to the moderators attention that.........

1 Most of the troublemakers post under multiple identities.

2 Most hide personal details and E mail addresses (could be given in confidence)

3 Most have been banned from other boards for like activities.

4 Most use personal attacks (as well outlined by Phylray above)usually late at night, when it is quite clear that they have been drinking heavily.



I agree with your advise, to ignore postings that do not interest, or if they offend me!!



wyn





This posting is for clarification, and not meant as a personal insult................................



but as the old saying goes.....If the cap fits...etc etc.

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 10:40

GC's will always regard TRNC as illegal and TC's and ex. pats in the North will have the opposite view. 'Never the twain shall meet'. On that basis, it is an absolute pointless exercise to have that particular aspect discussed. I am with Izzet (msg 5) and ILC (msg 8).



Bornagain.

It is a pleasure to have you on this forum. I thoroughly enjoy reading the views of yourself and Firestarter on the 'other' one!

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 13:12

Wyn , the cap does not fit any of the above but thankyou for your concern.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 13:14

cyprusishome: "I have read back through a couple of threads and it is surprising that some of those who condemn Pike, Susanne et all often use quite malicious comments in their put down of these people. Quite hypocritical when some of same then try to ban these people for doing same to them. Maybe if these two complained formally there would be a couple of what some consider as moderate members would be suspended or removed from this BB. Think about what you say!!"



Well put, David. Those with personal integrity and a sense of justice and fair play would agree with you all the way. But the truth is integrity and credibility are in short supply in some circles. You have a vocal minority who, from the insecurity of never quite being accepted by Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus, try desperately to assert their "Turkishness" (not even Cypriotness) from foreign shores. Hanging onto their coat tails are the expat sycophants who think they are speaking to people representing the Turkish Cypriots of Cyprus, when in reality they are sucking up to those who are often ridiculed by native TCs. What a strange world some people inhabit.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 20:21

hi everyone

let me tell you where i stand ,i am a turkish cypriot and i will defend my motherland and my brothers and sisters if and when someone attacks them without good reason ,i like many turkish cypriots have had enough by being

bashed about the head with the hammer of greek propoganda.



cyprus is home your msg 10 are you refering to me when you describe mm,if so explain yourself .



freedom of speech ,so its important to everyone " well the kktc has had no voice for 34 years ,not nice is it."



long live the kktc



musin

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 20:28

MusimM



Chill man! You are a child of the universe!



Pikey Pikey, can you not give peace a chance?



wyn

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 20:30

no worries Musin. He is not refering to you. There was another poster called MM, who has a similar tone to PP but in my opinion an altogether more amenable chap than PP

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 20:51

wyn

apologies to you ,i,m okay now ,you seem to have a calming effect on me

i,ve got a meeting with the building controller tomorrow ,i may call you .



mark

thanks mate i though he was refering to me .



musin.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 20:51

Pike,

Quote:'You have a vocal minority who, from the insecurity of never quite being accepted by Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus, try desperately to assert their "Turkishness" (not even Cypriotness) from foreign shores. Hanging onto their coat tails are the expat sycophants who think they are speaking to people representing the Turkish Cypriots of Cyprus, when in reality they are sucking up to those who are often ridiculed by native TCs. What a strange world some people inhabit.'End quote



I find your constant references to anyone TC living outiside of the TRNC as not being 'real TCs' extremely offensive and racist. Please desist from making such shameful and hurtful comments.



Trying to persuade readers of this and other forums that the only real TCs are those who live in Cyprus thus trying to further marginalise TCs reinforces the view (of many) that you spout Greek Cypriot propaganda at every given opportunity.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 20:54

msge 54

very well said Donna

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 21:33

Donna/ILC,



I concur wholeheartedly.



wyn

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 23:01

Pikey: "You have a vocal minority who, from the insecurity of never quite being accepted by Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus, try desperately to assert their "Turkishness" (not even Cypriotness) from foreign shores. Hanging onto their coat tails are the expat sycophants who think they are speaking to people representing the Turkish Cypriots of Cyprus, when in reality they are sucking up to those who are often ridiculed by native TCs."



Priceless! Messages 54, 55 and 56 prove my point in PERFECT sequence! That has made my (and a few others') night.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 23:04

Msg 54. Well said Donna.



This man has you all in his pocket again as he knows you will respond to his taunts. over 1100 messages of nearly all being anti TC, in every way that he can be.



Isset is right in stopping this rubbish as it is going around in circles and no one is going to change views. I would imagine he does not do much on the cyprus-forum as the lot I have seen on there would be in total agreement with him.



I am all for forums and freedom of speech......but to hear the same record over and over again is getting too much (this is his/her aim to keep the wound open)



This is the best info forum on the Island and used mostly by interesting, funny and well meaning people.



Enjoy the rain whilst it lasts!



LOL



Patrick.



(My members info is up to date!)

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 23:07

Does it feel a bit like scoring a goal for your country PP. I am delighted that you are so pleased - easily pleased that is

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 23:10

well said Tiggy msge 58



Oh no, I have added to PP's perfect sequence. What have I done

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 23:18

Bwah ha ha ha haaa!

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 23:23

Lord Haw-Haw has spoken something of interest for a change.



Very good.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 23:27

Former virgin convertor Msg 62,



You just can't keep away from my posts, can you?

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
23/09/2008 23:39

PP. another record you must change, this must be the fifth time you have mentioned my occupation. None of your real details are on the members info......and we all know why!!!!!!





Would you not be better off spending more quality time with your young ones rather than being on this forum locked away and spouting your garbage day and night.

Izzet



Joined: 01/12/2006
Posts: 920

Message Posted:
24/09/2008

Blahhhhhhhhhhh