2nd March strike action!!

lovinit


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Message Posted:
01/03/2011 18:23

I read in the local paper last week that strike action was planned on a large scale in TRNC! does anyone know if it is going ahead tomorrow please and who exactley will be affected.

lovinit


Joined: 20/06/2008
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Message Posted:
01/03/2011 18:41

Any one any information please?

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
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Message Posted:
01/03/2011 18:45

It's sorta like 'Wait & See Pudding'!



S'pose schools & all will be closed......

Zoots


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Message Posted:
02/03/2011 19:48

Seems to have had a big turnout with RoC flags being seized by the authorities. Not a clever move as there will probably be even more next time.

newlad



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Message Posted:
02/03/2011 20:06

There is a link on the whats the general concensus post,



Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
02/03/2011 20:07

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/57353.asp

Troodo


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Message Posted:
02/03/2011 20:16

This is not a TRNC problem or a Cyprus problem it is a world problem, going Greek will not solve it.

brother



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Message Posted:
02/03/2011 23:47

I totally agree with the statement in Msg.7



I can't see how the TC population can govern themselves independently - what will the economy consist of whilst the GCs+Greece have the EU behaving like their poodle? They can't trade with hardly anybody. They aren't even allowed to enjoy a visit from an international singer without the GCs jumping up and down and scaring people away.



For the time being, what is the alternative to the "mehmetcik" waiting in the wings?

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
03/03/2011 00:02

brother;

I too agree with Troodo's comments,ref 7.However,is there a real need for ["mehmetcik" waiting in the wings? ],with todays technology??



Then again,that might give the rest of the world a different view over Turkey,other then an 'accupier'!

brother



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Message Posted:
03/03/2011 00:59

yorgozlu:Msg.9 - The key thing is for people to be safe. I would rather not a single person dies again in neither sectarian action nor the mehmetcik trying to rush to put an end to future GC enosis attempts.



My observations in recent years have shown that there are key issues with the GC society that should stop any intelligent TC from waving the ROC flag. The GC educational establishments freely admin the growing xenophopic tendency in their society and at least one of their senior church leaders is preaching the concept of "keeping up the struggle".

So, clearly, lower salaries will be the last thing those ROC flag waving TCs worry about if any "unification" takes place at this time.

So yes the economic issues are more widely felt - beyond NC and the only way any "self governing" will be is with guaranteed security in a two-state island. It should be the EU that the protesters shout at.

I cannot see how we can turn the clock back to 1974 without more blood being spillage.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
03/03/2011 06:53

brother;

I've often said on here,particularly British,that if they realy wanted a solution in Cyprus they should take the issue on their own government,because what the TCs are doing is nothing more then showing thier frusturation to the motherland.YES,they did stop TCs from carriying RoC flags at yesterdays demonstrations,but what about the 60,000+ TCs with RoC citizenship in their pockets?Beleive it or not,nearly half the demonsrators in Nicosia,inonu square yesterday was the ones that had settled here in TRNC at 74/75!



Peace is what the TCs are after brother,PEACE,not going back to 74.Governing oneself is what the TCs after,allow one to do that,make the mistakes and learn from them,along with motherland holding ones hand,like any parent'd do to their kid,insead of pumping money,people and daily bullying.

The whole world is ought to hang their head in shame for denying TCs the basic human rights,never ming the bunch of GCs or Turkey for that matter

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
03/03/2011 07:16

Absolutely Yorgo, for once I agree with you. Turkey should have let the newly formed state grow up from the start instead of giving so much for so long. Tough love. The rest of the world should hang their heads, they could and should have recognised the rightness of the t.c'S NEEDING their own secure place to live and extended the hand of help and friendship from its inception. Normal relations would have resulted in a thriving

and vibrant TRNC. Unfortunately continued isolation has resulted in this backlash against the only people who ever helped them, or recognised them. Sad sad sad.



With the cost involved and the aid theT.c'S will need, does anyone believe the G.C'S genuninely want ot help

their fellow 'Cypriots'. Beware Greeks bearing gifts never seemed so deadly.

brother



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Message Posted:
03/03/2011 11:26

yorgozlu and polymarples: Indeed, when one considers the fundamental issue with the current GC society, their suggestion of a unified island can only be seen as Trojan.



TCs should be seen to be promoting a devolved state from TR with - as you suggest - assured security against the Greek disposition for enosis. There is potential benefit in this for TRs wish to get closer to EU in that it can be seen more in the role of the guarantor assuring the stability of the island (yes, this, initially had to be brutal - no thanks to EOKA). There has to be a respectable argument against the "give it all back" from the ignorant UN members. If TR can demonstrate that it is demonstrably helping TCs to improve their lives compared to what was on offer before then it will (IMHO it already has) have the moral high ground against the EU argument and the ignorant countries supporting UN sanctions. I hear that even Greece agreed that intervention was appropriate in 1974.



continued...

Groucho



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Message Posted:
03/03/2011 11:32

"Beleive it or not,nearly half the demonsrators in Nicosia,inonu square yesterday was the ones that had settled here in TRNC at 74/75! "



Yorg, did you canvass them and tot it up or is this your notion?

brother



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Message Posted:
03/03/2011 11:34

(continued Msg.13)



The TCs need to get back to basics and look at what drives an economy: the constantly competitive use of a countries resources. The resources include the type of work-force in addition to raw materials.



First job: They need to answer the question why such capability is not possible at the moment.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
03/03/2011 11:49

Groucho;

No,I did not canvass them,nor I stood 'THERE' counting them.One just knows,being a CYPRIOT.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
03/03/2011 22:29

Very scientific...



Another Urban Myth.

LondonCypriot


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Message Posted:
03/03/2011 23:30

But the Greek want everything in the north of Cyprus. They argue and still do that the Turkish Cypriot community only had 18% of all land in Cyprus.



After a signed solution, they will sue you and ensure that Greek Cypriots are allowed to settle anywhere, and then they will show you the cash and you will sell and leave. Money talks.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
03/03/2011 23:51

At the present, government workers do not need to cross the boarder, only the private sector on their low wages. 84% of the money from Turkey goes to pay government workers and pensions, their is little left for private investment. Stand by for a flood of these people to the south, when they find they have no jobs at all. The stupid people will fined they have to take pay cuts even if the roc will employ them, which is doubtful; they have enough parasites of their own. Bottle washing and waiting on tables will await second-class citizens. So, continue to wave the roc flag they are rubbing their hands in anticipation.

YFred


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Message Posted:
04/03/2011 00:22

Groucho,

To claim that the settlers are not in support of peace is being ignorant of politics. The notion that the settlers are a single entity and are there to serve Turkey's purposes is a myth mainly propogated by that TC hater Lord Kikosta from the other forum.

Once you travel around cyprus it does not take long to realise that the settlers are also Cypriot as one gets. Especially when you see political slogans on their walls like "Firsiz UBP". I can assure you that a very large number of the protestors were of left wing leaning Turkish origin, just as much as a lot of so called real TCs were missing because there a member of that other great institution called UBP with their military wing called TMT which has no intention of peace ever.

But then you not being a real cypriot wouldn't know what you are looking at.

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
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Message Posted:
04/03/2011 16:21

So whats the answer?

Four choices as I see it........

1. Join up the GCs and via stealth, the Island becomes part of Greece within 20 years or so.

2. The TCs stand on their own two feet and promptly fall over.....then what, who comes to their rescue?

3. Side with Turkey, and accept the long overdue austerity measures.

4. Just muddle along, hoping something turns up.

Michael.

tracer


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Message Posted:
04/03/2011 17:20

What is wrong with you all .......with greece greece greece .............enosis enosis enosis ......... NOT GONNA HAPPENED IN A MILLION YEARS WE DONT WANT IT

The enosis is ONE AND ONLY ROC/EU NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS.

AND A UNIFIED CYPRUS IS GOING TO BE A CYPRIOTS CYPRUS NOR GREEK OR TURKISH



Ps: did you start counting backwards if not start now starting point January 2012 .

CJtill


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Message Posted:
04/03/2011 17:44

So I take it you believe in the first four words in option 1 then, and I hope you are right , but different nationalities\religions living together (in one Country) in peace after conflict does go against the norm, but you must not be so emotive about the subject.

Its all about cool heads and reasoning between two malleable communities which may bring a solution, buts thats only the beginning....thats the easy part. Its living in harmony which may be the issue, though it is essential that to make it work both sides must listen to sound advice from knowledable outsiders.

As I personally have zero input to the solution.......................what happens, happens.

Michael

Groucho



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Message Posted:
04/03/2011 19:58

YFred



Msg 20.



I'm confused.... please help me out here. Where have I claimed "that the settlers are not in support of peace". I think you are getting me mixed up with somebody.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
04/03/2011 22:48

msg 21



michael your second choice ,let the tc,s stand on their on two feet and watch them fall over , sounds good to me and when we do ,then we will pick our selves up ,dust ourselves down and carry on with the job in hand .



that,s life.





musin



long live the kktc

brother



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Message Posted:
04/03/2011 23:42

Msg.25,Musin: The idea of not having any guaranteed protection against attempts at enosis appears to be - still - a very risky option.



Option 2 looks simplistic as it stands.

yorgozlu



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Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
05/03/2011 09:55

brother;

Doesn't it also appear to be "nobody/no country does nothing for nothing for nobody?"



http://www.facebook.com/?sk=messages&tid=1718732540990#!/video/video.php?v=10150100699162736&oid=114883638586166&comments

brother



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Message Posted:
05/03/2011 18:58

yorgozlu,Msg.27: In the link you provided, I think he's saying that the given country belongs to its citizens and the rest of the annotations in the vid. appear to deem this as a double-standard.



Sorry but I don't see the solution as being the simple case where Turkey adopts an identical public view on NC.

The reason IMHO is that unlike the country in the link, NC faces an uncertain future with regard to the GC community across the border. Whether asn independent federation or a single reunified state, the TCs will need protections against the "Bosnian syndrome".



You see, the same kind of austerity measures are being taken up even in USA. The difference is that in NC there are no immediate practical alternatives to being employed in the public sector - so the effect of such measures is much harsher.



The TC community needs to produce more sophisticated politicians to develop ideas on independence that involves Turkey, the UN and EU. The GC support in isolation is very wo

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
05/03/2011 23:36

brother,the key will be being aware and in knowledge of "things'll get worst before getting better".

GC isolations'd be lifted as the Turkish troops are withdrawn from the island.

EU (27 counrties) will be the guarantor to Cyprus,never mind the UN side of it.

At least half of TRNC population would have to go back home (Turkey),hence,plenty jobs for the citizens.



ps.I'm sick of living in my home that has been invaded by my 'parents',want/need to go my own way,find my own path now,along with the support of my parents.