Can I ask for & get a list of owners - Complex

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
01/03/2011 21:57

Can I ask to have a list of owners on our complex as I want to e-mail them, I feel we are being railroaded into accepting something that is in my opinion illegally set up and ill thought out by an unelected committee who have not even called a AGM yet even tho they have supposed to be representing owners for the past 14/15 months, I dont want to make unnecessary trouble BUT I think they are acting illegally and trying to divide and rule - HELP before we get in the same situation our neighbours are in being asked to pay into an extra fund to fight legal battles and ever increasing fees

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
01/03/2011 22:46

Who will you ask?

fosterscan


Joined: 27/02/2010
Posts: 541

Message Posted:
01/03/2011 23:59

Johndp you should have been asking people for there emails for the last few years by now you would have a network of friends of friends that you could communicate with.I think you stop paying any maintenance put the money aside.Then when it all falls apart you can stand up and take over the maintenance yourself. You dont need to pay a company to do the work when they havent got enough money to do any work.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
02/03/2011 09:20

John I know, you know, but if you waat to reach those that don't know I would put the name of the complex somehere in your title - Just a thought

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
02/03/2011 16:43

Thanks Sienna

I have asked for a list of owners but havent got a reply as yet and i have only got a few owners e-mails for Turquoise bay, i have nothing against what they are trying to do but they are not following the right procedures and the committee have not got the mandate to make major decisions on behalfof owners, all the committee live outside the TRNC and are relying on the M/C to keep them updated, surely another conflict "where have we heard this before"

I have also asked for an AGM but the committee are trying to put it off till a few of them are together on the complex at Easter, again surely this is wrong, it is doing things to suit them and not the complex ? or am I reading it wrong ?

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
03/03/2011 04:19

JDP if I am allowed to say it, cos if you say anything against certain ones on here you get a ban (2 for me in the last month, ) you are fa*ting against thunder let them get on with it and watch them make another a*se of it like they have in the past.

The know all brigade rools lol

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
04/03/2011 14:51

Yeah it looks that way billy but we have to try to stop the majority making another mistake that will take another 2 plus years fighting to put right like the last time when the know alls got it so wrong

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
04/03/2011 22:24

From the grapevine it seems as if Lynx have had enuf as well and they are suspending maintenance from 4th of March on TQB till they get more money coming in, oh dear, oh dear, oh dear

2 YEARS DOWN THE LINE AND IT STILL STINKS !!!!!

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
04/03/2011 22:42

It might have been easier to ask for contact emails from a particular complex without causing alarm but too late now methinks.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
05/03/2011 06:16

If this is the case how can the committe now not call an EGM they have failed and therefore surely need all the help they can get.



One reason might be for failure is you cannot hold the non-payers to task unless you have followed the correct process !



Shame nice site going to rack & ruin

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
05/03/2011 20:50

Sienna

Many thanks, that is all i have been saying from the start, the (illegal) committee have sent out a copy of a contract written up by Lynx which some of us have sent in amendments to, some of them have been taken on board but many have not, and it seems as if the unelected committee are now trying to push through things that i personally find unacceptable and i do know of others with similar opinions. surely this is totally unacceptable, they just say "refuted" to many suggestions, without any discussion at all, *this is not good enough* the committee are SUPPOSED to represent EVERYBODY not just themselves and their own interests, get an AGM organised NOW not when they are out on their jolly's at Easter.

IT IS A DISGRACE AND NOW WE ARE TOLD THAT LYNX WILL NOT BE DOING ANY MORE MAINTENANCE TILL MORE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE, suppose they will just sit there and still be the "official" maintenance coy, but doing nowt, CR*P

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
05/03/2011 23:04

So have Lynx told you what they are doing about the non-payers.? ok they have stopped maintaining the site no one can run a site without money - BUT wheere is the money going that is being paid ?



so owners that do pay must be asking- why pay if there is no maintenance being done so you are paying your monthly fee for ...........aren't they making the payers suffer? THIS IS A BIG QUESTION you need to ask



They must be getting some money in so therefore they must agree to some maintenance surely or is the money some are paying going inot a black hole ?

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
06/03/2011 22:52

Sienna

It would seem that some people have paid a year up front and others paid maybe 6 months up front and the remainder of the payers I am guessing have possibly paid 3 months up front so it would look like they have been subsidising things till now, the diffrence with the last lot and this lot is the last lot just walked away but this lot will just sit in there and take there (almost) half of everything that comes in.

When is it going to end, I hope those that slandered the last lot are happy now 2 years on, as one guy said at the time they left "i hope you are all happy now" because its going to take a long time to sort the mess out.

To anser your question sienna, Lynx cant do anything about the non payers as there is no procedure being followed (the new easement law) and there is no democratically elected committee in place.

The pools maintenance & gardener is probably taking the lions share of the maintenance money they get in.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
06/03/2011 23:01

do not listen to the do gooders , dont pay the maintenance until everything you were promised has been forfilled , no kochan no money ? no gardens landscaped , no money ? stick to your guns people , dont pay because they say you have to , you pay maintenance for the finished product , not to subsidise the builder to finish unfinished builds .

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
11/03/2011 10:37

Rowlo the trouble is the build is finished over 3 years ago, but last year with all the rains etc, many pavements collapsed like they did in many places and also walls came down, but there was no insurance in plaice and it is still waiting for repairs, there was some probs with cracks on some of the blocks and the developers were sorting that i think, but they wont sort the other things which is fair enough, they have no fund set up to cover the costs of the repair works, it is like so many plaices here, they dont want to pay till it is perfect, but as has been proved time & again it dont work like that here and theres no point of moaning and whining and lyeing cos it wont get done unless they pay maintenance and have a emergency fund for repairs, they need to get off of there a*ses and get a proper elected commitee that knows what is going on, and knows how to take action & not relying on the m/c telling them, I think some are regretting there past actions big style now :(

runningman


Joined: 05/02/2009
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
13/03/2011 20:54

johndp. We are experiencing similar problems on our development, with regards to committees, management agreements and kocans. I would appreciate it if you could contact me so that we can share concerns and possible resolutions, which may help us both. My email address is ddveasey@aol.com or telephone if you are on the island, 05338802863.

Also as this link got my attention because of similar concerns, if anyone else has opened this link because of an interest in the problems and have a property on the same development or possibly another I would welcome your contact also.

keith


Joined: 03/04/2007
Posts: 272

Message Posted:
13/03/2011 23:58

Yes we are having problems with owners who think they are the elected committe but have not been elected

Keith

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
14/03/2011 12:53

runningman please e-mail me on jdpenhale@gmail.com

My concerns are as always have been, now there is a laid down format for how a complex should be governed and run, nobody is following it, the new floor easement law is there for everyone and if properly followed there can be no recriminations, the trouble is some people are reluctant to give up their self gotten power, and others are so lackadaisical (spelling) that they cant even be bothered to vote in a proper committee that they are playing into the hands of these power mad few.

Then there are those owners who just set out to make trouble by twisting things and telling disgusting lies like we have witnessed so many times on here in the past, they are the main protagonists who hold everything and everybody back until the complex stagnates as ours is now, then they just turn their backs as if they dont care.

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
15/03/2011 09:38

runningman as the above post says there is a new law now to protect complexes but them that whined and wouldnt pay before because there was not this or that in 'situ' dont seem to want to go by it now.

I have just been told that the infamous TQB has another month go by and the accounts are still in the red, that must be 9 months now, no wonder the MC are 'freezing' maintenance and the last lot walked, what say you pipie ?

elipsys


Joined: 25/10/2007
Posts: 25

Message Posted:
15/03/2011 15:51

Hi johndp, I once wrote on another thread about your site. If I remember right there seemed to be a lot of tension about the mc, the committee and other owners who comment etc etc. I think I blurbed on about working together after all the time and money everyone must have invested blah bla blah. I just want to say that I do genuinly feel sad for how your site situation has progressed the wrong way :-( My site some time ago faced similar problems with nonpayers and a lot of things were said which I feel bad about now. Your MC was our MC at the time and they simply suspended all work as it was no longer profitable. Thankfully we now have a new MC and the site has never looked better, the nonpayers are no more (well there is always one ain't there) and all owners are getting on really well. Our Committee has very little to do most of the time because the site runs itself. I really do hope that those on your site who choose to turn they backs have a change of heart. Good Luck John

clairegordon


Joined: 18/11/2010
Posts: 105

Message Posted:
16/03/2011 10:02

It is so sad to see that so much hurt has been caused, and probably most of the hurt could have been avoided if people were more thoughtful towards one another, no single person or small group of people should be able to impose their will on the majority as seems to have been the case here, you must all get together and work for the betterment of your community or all you will end up with is a ghetto in my opinion.

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
16/03/2011 11:15

Hi Elypsis

Thanks for your wise words, the problem as I see it is that some people wont accept they got it wrong, others are trying to help but are too far removed from what is going on on the ground and are relying on advice & giuidance from MC.

I have written a letter to as many people as I have contact details for to try and get things done properly so that the site can go forward positively, the trouble is as you so rightly say, people have said and done things that can not be healed easily, I dont know if you attempted to make an apology or retraction of what you did or said but if some did that it could heal many wounds in our case as well.



The process is comparatively simple if people take a step back and set up everything as it should be, then follow the guidelines, they would probably find that things would run smoothly as in your case with a new MC or the existing one.

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
16/03/2011 14:17

Message 20 guess what ??

Its just happened on TQB as well, maintenance suspended :(

elipsys


Joined: 25/10/2007
Posts: 25

Message Posted:
16/03/2011 15:19

Hello John and Billy, I am not so sure about 'wise words ' because in our journey to where we are currently at I am sure that I have said some things to p**s some off, whether or not it was the truth at the time. :( I think it is fair to say that valuable lessons were learnt along the way and largely thanks to some great personalities on my site we have managed to come thru the dark time and now enjoy something good. As for TQB now having the maintenance suspended, well I am not sure the mc can be soley to blame if you have the large amount on non payers. However, can a reduction in the scope of their work be agreed to allow parts of your site to me maintained. Blimey !! it is just a can of worms no matter how you look at it. Your Committee (elected or not) must act now to mediate between owners and mc. Do you have access to your accounts online or has that been withdrawn as well ? If there is money in the pot then your Chairman and committee



cont..

elipsys


Joined: 25/10/2007
Posts: 25

Message Posted:
16/03/2011 15:30

cont ..



should look at how much is left, how much is neeeded until the end of your year and if possible contact another mc at the first instance and ask them to visit your site. Without water your plants will soon suffer, without your pool being maintained it will soon go green. We went through all of this with the mc and was it not for the fairness, patience and professionalsim of our new mc I think we would have come a cropper. It was all so disapointing at the time because so many people had put their confidence in an mc that in the end did not deliver on their promises. I really do hope that you manage to get something sorted soon.

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
16/03/2011 22:55

elipsys

most of the fair minded people are only interested in getting the plaice to where it should be, not scoring points against those who pulled it down - though they need castrating or doctoring - the point now is that even though those who are supposed to be in power are being told what is necessary by owners they are still not listening and are following the path laid down by the MC, there is only one sure way to deal with this and that is to start from sq one and do it properly end of !

Mark these words, the supposed committee will put things off till Easter then a few will roll up on their jollys and try to put an AGM in plaice and pass things thereselves to suit a minority and then we will be back to sh1t again.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
17/03/2011 08:51

message 24/25 totally agree and what I said in messsage 12. I cannot understand if you have some money why some maintenance plan is not in place, other than incompetence or maybe that are trying to teach owners a lesson - but then that makes the payers suffer - which then may breed other non-payers which may make their hoel they are diggin bigger -



So what of the owners that rock up at Easter expecting the site to look better that have paid their maintenance but sat waiting for others to do something they are in for a shock !?



I cannot believe the committee and the MC are doing nothing about this ..... but then as you say John they cant as they are not legally elected or maybe they have an intelligent strategy although I would like to hear that one



Very sad as sites can be turned around but not like this.



what came first the chicken or the egg ! ?

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
17/03/2011 09:25

Sienna as i said before it takes time to set up the thing properly but it needs to be seen to be done following the proper laid down way as John says, it is too peicemeal the way it is being done, or not done, just now.

It also goes to prove the lies that were being spouted on many threads on this board, if people had worked with MC from day one and not miscalled them with impunity on here then the plaice would be in a much better state now.

I was reading back on forums almost 3 years ago when the MC were asking paid up owners to form a consortium to put together a constitution to take the site forward one person said 'quote' I would be happy to help, lend a voice, the problem with these sorts of things is like politics, the people who enjoy that sort of thing are not usually the sort who should be allowed to. 'unquote'.

Again I say that if people had done what was mooted at that time then things would be so much better today, I remember all the wooo hooos given when Lynx were

Cont

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
17/03/2011 09:30

Put in situ and well remember the things that were said by people like the Butler and others, how true their words have become, despite the best efforts of some to paint one MC better than another because there nose was put out of joint, the plain fact of the matter is simply if you dont strip it back to the beginning and put in plaice the laid down procedure without taking shortcuts, so that non payers may be legally taken to law, then it will NEVER work *end of*

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
17/03/2011 11:30

exactly the point I have made on several occassions no dispute there.



But history is history we all know the story to death - you need to do what you have said above and move forward dragging those that are not bothered behind you and one day you may get thanks but don't hold your breathe !