URGENT - Any information about Leishmania in Dogs Please

parkview



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Message Posted:
05/03/2011 17:41

Could anyone on here give me any advice on symptoms for Leishmans please, Had to take my 6 month old dog to vets this morning after a weeks course of antibiotics, he is keeping her in as he is so ill, he has said if he has the disease it is very catching especially to children and even with a course of treatment he may not make it. Has anyone had a dog with this, what was the outcome, any information would be helpful as I am beside myself.

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
05/03/2011 18:06

Do you want to put your child and yourselves + families in the vicinity at risk. The vet has very wisely warned you - take heed!



Why don't you 'Google' Wikipedia/Leichmaniasis.......after what it tells you, or any number of other informative/warning sites, I hope you'll very smartly make up your mind.



Your dog has been bitten by the carrier, the 'Sicilian Sandfly', from which you, or anyone else can quickly contract 'Sicilian Sandfly Fever', as well as 'Leich.' - NOT PLEASANT!



Even if treated, your dog will always be a carrier - this terrible disease CANNOT be eradicated - BE VERY WARNED!

parkview



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Message Posted:
05/03/2011 18:17

I have read up on everything and of course would not put my child at risk, unfortunately until the blood tests come back we do not know if this is what he has, I was just wondering whether anyone else's dog had this and the symptoms they had.

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
05/03/2011 18:29

With all respect, you didn't mention precisely what your dog's symptoms were/are.



However, personally, I can't get my head around why on earth you would allow your precious child anywhere near any dog you knew to be sick............

mrperfect


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Message Posted:
05/03/2011 18:36

Hi,



I notice from a previous post that your Daughter goes to Miss Judys and, ındeed I read to her on Thursdays.

my dog was dıagnosed wıth thıs nearly a year ago, he had no symptons the vet pıcked up on ıt when ı went to have my dog shaved for the summer. he had the treatment, stıll on the allurpıronal for another month so wıll see ıf ıt has helped as there ıs no cure for thıs dısease but the treatment can make ıt dormant. my dog seems fıne but untıll a blood test ın a months tıme ı wont know. the symptoms are loss of fur and sores for no reason.my dog ıs 12 years old now so the vet ıs hopıng that the treatment wıll make ıt dormant untıll he dıes of old age. ı also have 2 young treatment and after talkıng to the vet when my dog was dıagnosed ı was not concerned that ıt would affect them so dont beleıve all you read

parkview



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Message Posted:
05/03/2011 18:38

So what would you suggest the minute your dog has signs of being unwell you have him put down, for one the vets will not do that here!! and two we were told it was most likely a viral infection which we had treated accordingly, when I asked if it could be leishmania he said it was doubtful. He got worse this morning so we took him straight to the vets which is were he is now, I would not put my child in danger and resent the fact you suggest that, it was only this morning we were told there is a possibility it could be leishmania as he did not respond to treatment, he is staying at the vets this weekend.

mrperfect


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Message Posted:
05/03/2011 18:47

our email is davedavemay55@gmail.com

parkview



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Message Posted:
05/03/2011 18:50

Thanks mrperfect

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
05/03/2011 18:54

Nowhere have I suggested that you deliberately put your child/family at risk, even if you inadvertantly did, and if I was sensitive I would resent your accusation!



I did not contribute to this thread to be argumentative - please accept that!



As heartbreaking as it may be for you in the short term future, your conscience should tell you what's the best course of action.............

Tootie


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Message Posted:
05/03/2011 19:00

Speak with Lilli,

Im sure I remember she has had first hand experience of a dog with this disease.



Ps Ignore the google arm chair experts.

swyflot


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Message Posted:
05/03/2011 19:03

My neighbour's dog had Leish, made a full recovery

parkview



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Message Posted:
05/03/2011 19:08

Msg 4

Nowhere have I suggested that you deliberately put your child/family at risk, even if you inadvertantly did, and if I was sensitive I would resent your accusation!



However, personally, I can't get my head around why on earth you would allow your precious child anywhere near any dog you knew to be sick...........



Well I am sensitive! this is all very upsetting.....



I did not ask advice as what to do, just for people who have had dogs with this disease to enlighten me incase my dog does have it. Then of course my decision would be made accordingly.....

parkview



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Message Posted:
05/03/2011 19:09

Thanks swyflot

parkview



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Message Posted:
05/03/2011 19:10

Just sent you an email mrperfect

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
05/03/2011 19:30

Here is another [little known to the public] disease that is becoming more of a concern in this region:



hydatid" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Hydatids">hydatid



In New Zealand, every dog owner must have their dog(s) dosed annually against 'Hydatids'.



I think in UK, you refer to 'liver fluke disease'?

bazzagirl


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Message Posted:
05/03/2011 19:35

park view i hope your dog gets better soon, i cannot understand why someone would come on this thread and quite obviously attack you like they have, theyve got the problem so just ignore them, some people should get a life of their own saddos!!

bandieles


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Message Posted:
05/03/2011 19:45

Email me on les.evans@yahoo.co.uk . I have treated my dog and he is a picture of health . I will share my research with you

parkview



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Message Posted:
05/03/2011 20:13

Thank you everyone who has been kind enough to forward me their email addresses, I have sent you all emails. Although we have only had our dog for just over 2 months I feel so helpless.

Hideaway


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Message Posted:
05/03/2011 20:51

Hello Parkview my dog Benson has Leichmania at the moment. He was first diagnosed in November and treatment commenced daily for 1 month on some very expensive liquid medicine which cost £250 for the course. he is now on Allopurinol tablets 300mg twice daily until mid December 2011 as the treatment must continue for one year according to my vet Pertev. He was very unwell to begin with and still is fairly poorly. His whole body broke out in terrible sores, he was lethargic and pretty lifeless for several months, however his energy levels have improved recently. He has still got some nasty sores on his body and his whole mouth is riddled with them. I bathe him in Exmarid shampoo which I brought from England and put Exmarid ointment on his sores periodically, which seems to help. If they are too open I dab them with biokadin which is the non stinging version of iodine.I have 3 other dogs who show no signs of this disease. My email is jackywilson@hotmail.com should you wish to contact me.

Meerkat


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Message Posted:
05/03/2011 21:32

Hi Parkview I expect you do feel helpless, at least you are doing the best you can. The vets are really good in N.Cyprus better than the doctors !! Don't feel upset with what some say on here, most of the members are really friendly & give some helpful & knowledgable advice. I hope all goes well for your family & your dog is better soon.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
05/03/2011 22:09

Oh Parkview I feel so sad for you. He is in good safe hands . If anyone can do it Pertev will . I know one of the members here brought her dog back from the brink from this with medication. I pray Raki will be fine. Keep strong xxxxx

itfc1978


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Message Posted:
05/03/2011 22:20

Leish is only transfarable by sandfly, is very rear in humans, certantly not fatal and easily treated.



If cought early in a dog, can be treated, the dogs life saved, and lead a normal life.

But be aware the parasite will always be present so you should continue to frontline and paraband the dog



Contact a vet, they are experienced in the treatment of Leish and you will get better advice then any madman forum like this

Meerkat


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Message Posted:
05/03/2011 22:24

Yes Parkview, Lilli is right, Pertev is a great vet, we use him for our dog & cat, Raki is in safe caring hands!!

Lauvaine


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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 10:23

Hi Parkview. My dog has leishmania. It is treatable but the medicine is expensive. I did quite a bit of internet research on the subject when my dog was first diagnosed and couldn't find any evidence of dog to human transfer. Speak to Pertev when he is back from holiday. Good luck!

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 10:46

Lauvaine/Msg 24: '...couldn't find any evidence of dog to human transfer.'



Of course not - it is a cycle:



The disease occurs when a person becomes infected with any of several types of Leishmania parasites. They spread to people through the bite of female sand flies and can cause different forms of illness, all of which are called leishmaniasis. Cutaneous leishmaniasis affects the skin; mucocutaneous leishmaniasis attacks the mucous membranes in the mouth, nose, and throat; and visceral leishmaniasis (also known as systemic leishmaniasis or kala azar) damages internal organs, such as the liver and spleen.



The sand fly bites and sucks the blood from the infected dog, then bites humans, or other animals - geddit?



Read more: Leishmaniasis - how long, body, last, contagious, causes http://www.humanillnesses.com/Infectious-Diseases-He-My/Leishmaniasis.html#ixzz1Fo5VL5fR

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 10:59

Would anyone else like to lambast me for contributing warnings and vital information, all of which seems to have escaped the notice of my 'detractors'?

martinD41


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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 11:22

Leishmaniasis is not "easily" treated and can in some cases be fatal, ,Listen to Tenakoutou, and read the link in msg25,..this is one occasion were "Ignorance" is most certainly NOT bliss.....This disease is becoming more widespread throughout the Eastern Med and is a Very serious Health Risk!!

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 11:57

Thanks VERY much for your support on this one, Martin - the problem seems to be that just because this disease is extremely uncommon in UK, expats don't want to know, or listen. The problem with this disease is that there seems to be no set incubation period, therefore the microbe(s) may lay relatively dormant in the body of either an animal, or human, until conditions are right for it to manifest itself as identifiable to a doctor, or vetinarian.

martinD41


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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 12:12

Ten, given that the incubation time is not specific ,could that mean that a Re-Homed Dog from a kennel could be a potential "Carrier" or, do you suppose they are tested for the disease before Re-Homing.....??

parkview



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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 12:23

IF.... my dog has Leishmania then of course there is a chance myself or more importantly my daughter could catch it as I mentioned in my first posting I have been told this by Pertev the vet so nobody is ignoring your warnings, this was not what my first posting was about! anyway until I know from the blood tests there is no point in speculating. It is a fact it stays dormant and there is no long time cure! hence why I was so distressed in the first place in case he has this disease. There have been dogs that have been treated and have lived a healthy life but there are no guarantees. All I wanted to know originally is what personal experiences are with the symptoms etc, as they vary on all the sites I have read. IF he has this disease he was obviously born with it as he is only 6 months old and its unlikely he caught it this time of year. Thank you everybody for your support and information I will take heed of all advice given and act accordingly should the results be positive.

janjin



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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 12:57

Parkview I hope your dog is feeling better?

This topic was on this site recently, would it help you if you looked up these old postings?

Take care jj

Tatum1


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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 13:10

According to what I have read and been told the disease can only be passed on by a sandfly bite ...... and in no other way.

Therefore only if a sandfly bit a dog and passed on the disease ..... then afterwards the fly would then have to bite a person/ or another sandfly bite an infected dog and then bite a person. What are the odds? How many people here in TRNC have leishmaniasis????

Tatum1


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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 13:22

Hi Everyone



Please check the website below



http://www.cdc.gov.parasites



According to this site humans CANNOT catch the disease from dogs

parkview



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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 14:23

To all those who have been kind enough to write on this subject, the disease can only be caught if a fly bites the dog and then bites you, so very low odds.



Unfortunately I have just phoned the vet to see how Raki was doing and was told he had to be put down as he could not stop the bleeding, so I will find out tomorrow hopefully what killed him.



Thank you once again for your kind wishes

simbas



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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 14:30

oh i am so very sorry , what a shock for you and your family , you were not expecting that i'm sure

Simbas

Meerkat


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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 14:56

Parkview so sorry to hear about Raki, I am sure Pertev did everything he could.

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 16:39

Parkview - I am very sorry to hear the outcome to this upsetting saga. The loss, or death, of a much loved family pet is, indeed, heartrending and having recently gone through this experience of having to have our dog 'put down', I can identify with the anguish that you are currently going through.



Please accept that none of my posts to you were intended to be goading, or accusatory.

rowan


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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 16:56

so sorry to read this sad news

Lilli



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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 17:34

Oh Delia what sad news. I really thought he would make it. You did what you could for the poor soul. Im so very sorry. Our thoughts are with you all x

Hideaway


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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 21:09

I am really sorry to hear that your dog did not make it and know how you must be feeling, my dogs are like children to me. I hope that you take some consolation in knowing that you did everything possible to help him. When the time is right perhaps you will have the courage to take on another dog as there are so many here wanting a good home and some TLC. Thinking of you today. Kind Wishes Jacky

parkview



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Message Posted:
07/03/2011 15:16

Thank you Jacky, we have another dog already who has been with us for 3 years, and although we had Raki for such a short time it has left me feeling like something is missing, he was so young. On a positive note though I would like to praise Pertev, with whom I can only give my upmost respect, he was understanding and sensitive at all times, and did his upmost to save Raki, how lucky we are on this island to have such a wonderful vet.

janjin



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Message Posted:
07/03/2011 20:54

Oh parkview so sorry to hear your news, it sounds like you did your best for him.

It is possible that your post may help educate other dog owners to avoid the same happening to their loved family member.