Water from the motherland

greenman


Joined: 16/02/2008
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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 18:07

Turkey is continuing with its plans to send water to the TRNC. Will TC's refuse to drink it??

http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=70699

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
06/03/2011 18:10

No, but GC's already have refused it - just in case TC's poison it????? What a sad little world.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 18:20

RE msg 2, waddo: (...) No, but GC's already have refused it - just in case TC's poison it? (...)

▶ Waddo, you just wait until the next 'dry' raining season'...

rowlo



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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 18:22

WHY WOULD THEY POISON IT ?

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 18:30

Is it FREE???????????

greenman


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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 18:34

yorgozlu - as free as any other potable water.

martinD41


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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 19:20

After the demonstrations against the austerity measures Turkey may well not bother to install it....

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 19:28

A distinct possibility, 'martin' - they might well consider that the present water supply is being wasted enough washing all the Mercedes, BMW's, Porsche Cayennes, Hummers, etc.!

Roomy


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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 19:32

Desalination plants,



I know they are expensive but independence has it's price.

brother



Joined: 29/01/2010
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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 20:43

This is great news in the short term. However I can see a few complications in the future.

greenman


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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 20:52

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this isn't a direct into the water pipes of the TRNC system. The pipeline will be used to top up the reservoir(s) so not sure what the 'complications' are likely to be. Cut off the supply and the TRNC is back to square one - water rationing in the summer. The benefits to agriculture alone, far outweigh the downsides. North Cyprus used to be the breadbasket of the country, and could be again with this water.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 21:11

37 years on...........yet to see any flying pigs!

waddo


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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 21:31

Msg 4 - I am sure they (TC's) would never even consider it but you will never convince the GC's that they can have anything for free from the North. As I understand it the offer was made to provide surplus water to the South and it was turned down as they did not need it - all there requirements come by ship whilst awaiting their new desalination plants coming on line. The thought of the North putting poison into the supply was also voiced at the same time - sad!



It will be great for the TRNC when it arrives here but think it is still two years away yet.

havalı


Joined: 28/02/2011
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
06/03/2011 22:05

yorgozlu have a lıttle fate mate.ı belıve thıs lıttle country wıll past all thıs negatıve tıme one day .im sure good tımes are round the corner.

brother



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Message Posted:
06/03/2011 22:10

Msg.11: The complications could be the relationship between Turkey and Cyprus. At the moment supplying water on the basis described is nothing but a good thing. However some may see it as the begiinings of supported infrastructure for a bizonal Cyprus.

Tenakoutou



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Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
07/03/2011 10:46

brother - what alternatives are there, but a bi-zonal Cyprus?



The pipeline could kickstart a whole new agriculture industry and enable more TC's to 'stand on their own feet', instead of having to rely on 'handouts'.



Surely, is this not what Turkey wants for TRNC, or is Turkey bent on keeping TRNC beholden to her?

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
07/03/2011 11:48

If nothing else, this shows a long-term commitment of Turkey to the TRNC. I wouldn't have thought TR would spend all that money just to stand-by and watch the GC's take over the whole island, including where the water came ashore.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
07/03/2011 12:21

I'll ask again...............is it FREE?

greenman


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Message Posted:
07/03/2011 12:54

Why ask the same question as clearly it will not be free - is it free at the moment? What perhaps you should be asking is 'Will it be provided without conditions?' Messages above have made a clear statement on that, and only the gullible would think there will be no payback time.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
07/03/2011 13:24

Thank you Turkey

brother



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Message Posted:
07/03/2011 13:40

Msg.16: Indeed, at the moment I cannot see how any other format apart from bi-zonal would provide a safe-guard for the TC community.



As it stands this news represents a fantastic opportunity for agriculture. All that is needed is an expansion of the export market.



Coupled with direct travel (sorry for momentary off-topic content) the speed to market would be enhanced - making the given agricultural goods more viable without having to go through Turkey.



There are potential benefits for tourism if the wild-life supporting reserves are provided with a constant - even small - water supply. This in turn would provide new employment opportunities and education for the young in the value of protecting their environment.

martinD41


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Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
07/03/2011 14:08

And presumably all the water leaks in the mains supply would be fixed, and water would be pumped at a constant pressure,and we can all do away with the domestic pumps/control units....Perhaps export them to another 3rd world country ................It's All too exiting

lovinit


Joined: 20/06/2008
Posts: 745

Message Posted:
07/03/2011 14:25

Please please dont hold your breath on this one, cos you could be very dead, by the time this "piped water" arrives, there is nothing in this world for free!



They say beware of Greeks bearing gifts!! I am sure that applies to many nationalities....

I would also like to add perhaps the foreigners in TRNC might have to pay more for it ( piped mainland water)than the locals.

We seem to have to pay more for just about everything else................

brother



Joined: 29/01/2010
Posts: 446

Message Posted:
07/03/2011 14:57

Msg.23 Alas an unfortunate metaphor as this "gift" is coming from a more trustworthy benefactor.



I don't see why it shouldn't be part of the cost of paying for the local council rates (whatever they are called locally). I can't see any defensible logic for charging more for certain section of the domestic consumers.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
07/03/2011 15:02

Its just Turkey looking after the daughter land.Why does there always have to be something underhand going on.Just see it for what it is,and that is an oppurtunity that should be grassped with both hands.

Turkey are feeding Northern Cyprus,with a precious commodity.Dont bite the hand that feeds,

Paul.

brother



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Posts: 446

Message Posted:
07/03/2011 16:28

I can just see the GCs creating an issue over this.

How about something along the lines of damage to the habitat of Greek fish or maybe if not Greek fish based on the NC coast then perhaps scaring visiting Greek fish from the South. Come on, there has to be something that makes this unfair...;->

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
07/03/2011 16:41

Onlt gullible would get exited over this,political minded would dig deeper.



Tenakoutou;

"Surely, is this not what Turkey wants for TRNC, or is Turkey bent on keeping TRNC beholden to her? "



What do you think?

by the way,there is no such thing as 'handouts',everything has it's price.



newlad;



"Dont bite the hand that feeds"



Price for that is being paid by the second by beholding our freedom.

or,are you allright jack?????

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
07/03/2011 16:49

msg27..Yorg...."everything has it's price".... Correct!!!....and "Freedom" is one of them..........Freedom's Just Another Word For Nothing Left To Loose!!

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
07/03/2011 16:54

Piped water from Turkey has been just 2 years away for at least the last 40 years as far as I can remember. Have the other militant countries SE of Turkey withdrawn their objections as I am sure I remember that they accuse Turkey of stealing it all at source. If and when it arrives rather than grasp it with both hands Newlad is welcome to have one of the two unused watering cans which I have. Sometimes better to view some glasses as half empty rather than half full then the joy is the greater if the situation improves. The GC have had their share already as they have been taking the p.ss for years.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
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Message Posted:
07/03/2011 17:00

Yorg ,When I said I Was" Exited! I was taking the Political p.ss....

brother



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Message Posted:
07/03/2011 17:08

Msg.29 (or anyone else that knows) I assumed that the most recent announcement was a significant milestone. I'm not privvy to the history apart from being aware of it being mooted 10 years ago.

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
07/03/2011 17:43

Msg 21

"at the moment I cannot see how any other format apart from bi-zonal would provide a safe-guard for the TC community."

This is the model being supported by Turkey, which wants a single Cyprus with one international identity governed jointly by the GCs and TCs. The water pipeline - if it ever comes to fruition - will be a massive bargaining chip from Turkey to the Greek side which IMO could well have consequences for the Turkish Cypriots. Hence Sal asking: "Is it for free?"

After all, Ankara has already made it clear how ungrateful they think the TCs are, so - if those who believe the recent spat was partially manufactured/encouraged -it should be a simple matter for Turkey to eventually cut them loose and start dealing with the majority power-brokers in Cyprus, i.e. the GCs.

It's ironic the Turkish authorities were seizing RoC flags from TCs the other day, yet in the run-up to the Annan vote, when Ankara realised it had a good deal, RoC flag-waving was encouraged!

brother



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Posts: 446

Message Posted:
07/03/2011 17:52

Msg.32: Re. "...a simple matter for Turkey to eventually cut them loose and start dealing with the majority power-brokers in Cyprus, i.e. the GCs"



It would be bizarre for Turkey to supply water to the island and have it controlled by the Greeks.

I will resist discussing the rest of Msg.32 as it would be off-topic here.

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
07/03/2011 18:42

Msg 33,

If Turkey's first priority in Cyprus had been the welfare of the Turkish Cypriots she would have invaded in 1964 or 1967. Furthermore, she would have withdrawn most of her forces at some point after 1975. We all know it was simply a long-mooted land-grab which caused unspeakable suffering for Cypriots on both sides and forced the TCs to be beholden to Turkey.

I didn't suggest Turkey would hand control of the water over to the Greek Cypriots. She would simply negotiate terms with the GCs in order to exert control and authority over the "rebellious" TCs. After all, Turkey controls northern Cyprus.

brother



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Posts: 446

Message Posted:
07/03/2011 18:48

No doubt we will all know what the water supply strategy will entail in its full scope in due course.

Zoots


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Message Posted:
07/03/2011 20:16

Guess it's in the pipeline (for a long time to come).

newlad



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Message Posted:
07/03/2011 20:44

Re-mess 27,



Yorg, "or are you allright Jack" not that type of person.Just want whats best for the people of

Northern Cyprus.God knows,they could do with a break,

Paul.

ataturk


Joined: 09/09/2008
Posts: 712

Message Posted:
07/03/2011 21:19

Seen the plans to this one as far as I can remember the water will be piped into the reservoirs near or on the way to guzelyurt and from there to whereever it is needed. The work has started and it is going to take 5 years it is a joint venure with the dutch i think but it has definitely been okeyed and work is under way

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
07/03/2011 21:24

Water water everywhere.... )

brother



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Message Posted:
07/03/2011 22:29

Msg.38: So, we can at least point to some real activity on fulfilling this fantastic idea.



But wait, is this a case where a dutch historian would be able to watch history being made by the dutch



(geddit? geddit?)



But hey, why would we want any other country getting involved with managing anything to do with water containment

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
08/03/2011 09:11

If the New Water Supply is primarily for Agricultural irrigation,does that mean that the existing water supply will be kept for Domestic use,and if so, will it receive modern treatment techniques ie; fluoride purification.?. And therefore become Safe?

ataturk


Joined: 09/09/2008
Posts: 712

Message Posted:
08/03/2011 09:14

fluoride purification is not a modern technique and is quite damaging to your health. I would assume that it would be treated but not sure of the process

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
08/03/2011 11:00

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=1&ved=0CCkQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessweek.com%2Fap%2Ffinancialnews%2FD9LQIVFG0.htm&ei=Ju91Tej6BMmHhQfT0JSVBw&usg=AFQjCNFeRYTzB-byJwe_FQpozMoC_cJOTw



The project will be finished for 2013,

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
08/03/2011 11:25

Do some people on here still think that this project will not happen,



Paul.

martinD41


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Message Posted:
08/03/2011 11:55

I think Paul, that the Water project is more likely to happen than the Re-unification project...........We'll wait and see

Zoots


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Posts: 669

Message Posted:
08/03/2011 12:29

Paul,



I can't see the dam in Turkey being ready for at least four years and they won't start on the pipeline until that's finished. Politicians know they are only temporary so it's easy to say the whole project will be finished by 2013. You could be looking at eight to 10 years - if it ever gets done at all. Open-ended projects have a habit of being cancelled and the record of failure and broken promises in north Cyprus is hard to ignore.

Although of course if it is ever completed it might just save the island.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
08/03/2011 12:56

martinD41,msg30;



I was not refering to you with the word of 'exited'.

Besides,you and I are usualy tuned in to same station most of the time.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
08/03/2011 15:21

Zoots,



Doesnt bare thinking about,if it doesnt happen,

Paul.

Zoots


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Posts: 669

Message Posted:
08/03/2011 17:57

Paul,



It's a bit like direct flights. A promise nobody can deliver and that is delivered by each successive government, secure in the knowledge they will be out of power before anything happens. The dam will be useful to Turkey regardless of whether they ever make a start on the pipeline.

andy-f


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Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
08/03/2011 19:57

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-237583-turkey-kktc-show-solidarity-at-giant-water-project-opening-ceremony.html



some VIPs at above so i reckon its going to happen.



andy

Stonehousepub


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Message Posted:
08/03/2011 20:14

By the time this proposed project is completed there will not be any TC's left in NC...

oceana


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Message Posted:
08/03/2011 20:26

I agree msg 51 )

IbrahimAbi


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Posts: 245

Message Posted:
08/03/2011 21:57

yorgolzlu what is this obsession with free?,



you were in the UK is it free there?



water is a commodity, it is sold here in the TRNC. if Turkey makes it more freely available you don't have to buy it. Dig a well in the front garden ( as long as you have pre 74 Turkish title).



afiyet olsun

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
08/03/2011 22:28

msg 53;

Read msg 51.It might give you a clue of the cost!

Fortunately it's not all about money for some of us.