Homes from Hell yet again

tonyf


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
15/03/2011 12:41

ITV aired the Orams Home from Hell again late last night. If only some positive stories were generated then a fairer view of TRNC may be shown. And before the bellyachers start I know all the stories about nightmares, but hell the north of cyprus is beautiful and not a total "black hole".

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
15/03/2011 12:50

tonyf



I think that the clue is in the title. If it were a programme about the beautiful island of Cyprus it would have a different title



Paul

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
15/03/2011 12:56

tonyf



The TRNC deserves everything it gets, until it gets rid of the corruption and immorality, it will continue to be viewed as the black hole it is! you might think it's beautiful but there are many who think it's as ugly as "Hell" and will continue for many years to come to shout about it's ugliness from the rooftops!

birdman



Joined: 20/09/2010
Posts: 690

Message Posted:
15/03/2011 13:06

and there speaks a man with a chip on his shoulder !

There are many of us here TRNCvictim, who have had problems initially, but have now sorted them out and are very happy to be here, "warts-and -all".

I'm sorry for your plight but remind you that there are MANY here in the TRNC who are totally satisfied now.

skoda


Joined: 21/06/2010
Posts: 37

Message Posted:
15/03/2011 13:09

There would be no point in having a program with that title if they were not prepared to name and shame.As long as the truth is told then they are doing their job.If North Cyprus or any other country do not want to be included they should sort out the corruption and get their act together then they would not get a mention.

tonyf


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
15/03/2011 13:16

I suppose like "Birdman" we have, yes with some difficulties, just about sorted the purchase ownership and enjoyment of our holiday home in TRNC. It was not particularly easy, very poor so called estate agent, good builder, fair advocate, but having bought and been duped in Spain previously I can say that there are just as many crooks per capita in the rest of Europe including UK as there are in TRNC.



But I say again whilst all the negatives then the crap will keep rolling up hill.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
15/03/2011 13:20

birdman



I'm really pleased your happy and totally satisfied! just remember there are many who are not! and future victims to the corruption and immorality and ugliness within deserve to know the true story from both sides hence "Homes from Hell"



By the way I'm a woman with a very large chip on her shoulders with the weight of the last 7 years it's developed into a very large crack!

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
15/03/2011 13:46

I notice that another Brit in Portugal had the same problem. Paid over 100 thousand to a builder and had nothing to show for it, not even deeds for the plot. What is it with people. Why can't they buy the plot first, so it is in their name. At least they have something which can be sold.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3533

Message Posted:
15/03/2011 13:52

Msg 8 I thought the same watching it

Do you buy a car from a picture with no paperwork ?

slimmer


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 56

Message Posted:
15/03/2011 14:08

get i life TRNCvictim

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
15/03/2011 14:13

Slimmer, you are not helping TRNC victim, only making her feeling even more victimised.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
15/03/2011 14:24

YFred (mess 8)



I thought thats what the Orams did?



slimmer (mess 10)



The trouble is the TRNC ruined my life,(I have no life left to get) I'll make sure any future victims know exactly the scale of corruption! so they can't say they they didn't know! perhaps you should get i life slimmer,perhaps it makes you feel good that so many were cheated! but we wont disappear to make your life easier! people need to know and then make an informed decision before they give this corrupt Island one penny they have worked for!

Jonesy299


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 367

Message Posted:
15/03/2011 15:24

Guys and girls - this was a repeat of an old 'Homes from Hell' so it has been overtaken by events. I know people have been moaning about their own builders / corruption etc but this episode was all about the EU and UK law at that time (i.e. local arbitration was not recognised).

Shortly after this episode was aired the EU now recognise the TRNC Property Commission - I am not saying that GCs will not stop appearing claiming return of property, but the legal situation that forced the Orams to handover their property without recourse has altered.



Let's also not forget that two of the sad tales of poor construction / sharp practice / limited legal recourse referred to properties in UK... so it's not just limited to the TRNC (it's just that TRNC are much better at it!!)

gates


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
15/03/2011 17:22

well how about the agro in spain were all was safe dont think so i have been taken on here and not always buy the cyps or turks there is no pleasing all all the time and loosing much money still like it dont want to go back to uk

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
15/03/2011 17:26

Best thing about it, they advertised for Homes from Hell on this forum not so long ago. Obviously got no takers so had to show the same old story they have been repeating for several years!!! :=)

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
15/03/2011 18:09

Oh don't worry halffull the new series will begin very soon

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
15/03/2011 21:27

msg4...Not a very nice comment to someone who has been "Financially Crippled" through no fault of her own,,and not the sort of comment one would expect from an Ex Royal Marine...A little Empathy or indeed silence might be more Gentlemanly .. ...........

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
15/03/2011 21:38

Thank you martinD41 I really wish I had only been "Financially Crippled" I could have coped with these thieves just taking money! they took so much more!

walkerscott


Joined: 13/08/2009
Posts: 901

Message Posted:
16/03/2011 10:23

Programmes like this need to be shown and often! For those who have sorted out their problems and have not lost their life savings, good luck, and how fortunate you are. For many though, and I emphasise "many", life has not been so fortunate and has turned into a "nightmare" with its subsequent effects of stress and illness! For those who are "OK" lethargy often prevails and they do not have time for others who are striving to get "Justice" ...

A little support, no matter how small, for those in need is all that is needed. Empathy, choice of words, and words of support is all that is needed ...

Life begins at the end of your comfort zone, but nobody deserves to be treated fraudulently or unfairly which is the case in Cyprus.

http://www.no-deeds-no-money.moonfruit.com

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
16/03/2011 14:20

Just look at the picture of a Bank Manager breaking into an old womans house and the tell me everything is okay here. The ordinary people are good. Some of you have no problems which is good. But please do not tell those who in TRNC victims case ( part of the 100's duped in Amaranta Valley) she has a chip on her shoulder, she lost her money, her husband died his illness exacerbated by all the stress here. You may wish to sit in your I'm alright Jack little paradise, but for goodness sake birdman, where is your compassion and for your information there are still 1400 in the mortgage queue and many many unresolved building problems.

I am sure you do not mean to sound smug, but that is exactly how you do sound. No one could blame her if she had a whole fish and chip shop on her shoulder, but I know her and she is good kind person, so back off'

slimmer, you dont deserve an answer. Sorry but whilst so many of us are drowning the boat will be well and truly rocked. cont. below

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
16/03/2011 14:23

For the record, I regularly e mail Laura from Homes from Hell, and if all else fails I wnt hesitate to use the programme. If there were no problems, there could be no programme.



Yes it is happening all over the world, so is murder, does that make it right?? Just a cop out by a government who has no idea what to do.

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
16/03/2011 14:28

TRNCvictim, no they did not. Orams bought a plot of land from somebody else. As much As I sympathise with their suffering, they knew there may be trouble ahead. Where as The guy in Portugal was a complete loss. He paid all that mone with nothiong to show for it, from the original owner. He has only himself and his lawyer to blame who should have advised him better. His only chance now is to go for his lawyers insurance for compenasation.

I do agee with most of what you write and you should point out all your suffering and the corrupt practices that go on.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
16/03/2011 14:33

At lease the guy iin Portugal , if the Portugese courts let him down, can go straight to the European Courts

so he has some fall back.

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
16/03/2011 14:35

Good luck to him, I hope he does.

Jonesy299


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 367

Message Posted:
16/03/2011 14:41

I think we need to be mindful about blindly supporting the 'Home from Hell' programmes - I have total sympathy for those who have had an unpleasant experience and I think their issues should be aired and supported - but UK citizens sitting on their sofas can do absolutely nothing to assist (we have to do that locally) and it does not protect or assist those potential buyers who may have set themselves up with perfectly respectable builders and then pull out because of such programmes. It makes absolutely not a blind bit of difference to people already here.

More and more decent builders / workmen are struggling to meet their contracts because programmes like this continue to crush the recovery of the property market - they cannot meet their tax bills and owners either end up with no kocan or pay the additional tax bills to receive their deeds.



Please don't forget that crushing the life out of a recovery is not a solution....

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
16/03/2011 14:45

Jonsey,

A good builder would have built in everything to the cost of the build and so long as the customer has paid for their build, there is no excuse on earth not to transfer the property over. Any builder who askes for the tax to be paid on their behalf, without prior agreement and uses it as a threat should be locked up and the key thrown away as far as I am concerened.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
16/03/2011 14:49

mess 25 - 2nd para....



The builders are struggling because previous purchacer's experiences are being revealed by folk on message boards like cy44...........



the glossy brochures showing beautiful and idilic homes & setting often bore liitte resembelence to the shoddyily knocked together monstrocities with incomplete infrastructures and communal areas.......................



More fool them i say...................

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
16/03/2011 15:12

A refreshingly honest post again NN,,,I couldn't agree more......The best builders are the ones that make the finished Item "BETTER" than expected by the client ... The "WOW" from a truly impressed client is in itself priceless.............

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
16/03/2011 16:10

The 'WOW!' following most so-called 'building' [by 'dump it and run merchants' in Cyprus] is frequently accompanied by a 'vegetable rainbow' - or three - as they chunder in the blue Mediterranean sea!

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
16/03/2011 16:15

I agree Ten,I was referring to Properly Built Houses with a proper Guarantee......Built in a recognised country with proper building REG's......

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
16/03/2011 16:26

martinD41/Msg 30:



I know what you meant!



I was just comparing 'WOWS' - merely from a Cyprus perspective!

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
16/03/2011 16:28

mess 28 - gets the Neg Nick compliment of the week award...........



Your prize - afternoon tea round the Mongers....

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
16/03/2011 16:37

Expectations have been dumbed down here, if your builder does a very average job, you are just grateful

it isn't the abortion your friends or neighbours were presented with. That I am afraid is the what has happened to us all. When I hear people say 'this is Cyprus and throw their hands in the air, I sort of see why we get what we get and why it will never get better.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
16/03/2011 18:26

NN, thanks,but how many cream cakes should I take round,word is they eat them 4 at a time,!

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
16/03/2011 18:30

msg31 Ten.....Ah! , but does Cyprus have a perspective??

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3533

Message Posted:
17/03/2011 18:54

I would not worry about the effect these shock programmes have



the people who base their opinions on these shows



would you want them as neighbours ?