Rooney HAT TRICK

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
11/10/2008 21:25

When was the last time an England Player got a hat trick ??

rocky


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Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
11/10/2008 21:35

Walcott against Croatia Rooney only got two today

andysue


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Posts: 891

Message Posted:
11/10/2008 22:39

see it had to be the mighty man u players who got us out the mire !

no1doyen


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Message Posted:
12/10/2008 00:02

Lets face it, they didn't have much to beat. I think they made hard work of it.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
12/10/2008 00:24

rooney only scored two and i didn,t see anything speacial from england ,in fact poor really ,but we can play better .

cyprusishome


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Message Posted:
12/10/2008 00:29

Last real game was 1966 world cup and Geoff Hurst scoring hat trick.

eager


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Message Posted:
12/10/2008 00:31

Have to agree with Musin...made hard work of it..scoreline flatters england..don"t think that fabio will be fooled by the result ..in dire need of a leader on the pitch.

no1doyen


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Message Posted:
12/10/2008 00:49

Yes, it's the end of the Lampard - Gerrard partnership. One of them has to step down.

newlad



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Message Posted:
12/10/2008 18:27

Hi all,

Can anyone tell me why Beckham is still playing for England.Is it just sentiment,

Paul.

no1doyen


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Message Posted:
12/10/2008 18:38

No. It's because he's the best at what he does.

newlad



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Message Posted:
12/10/2008 18:43

Doyen,

Which is what exactly,

Paul.

arrry



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Message Posted:
12/10/2008 18:58

Maybe we could use him just for a free kick taker like they do in U S A he can't do much elses nowadays

newlad



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Message Posted:
12/10/2008 20:46

The guy has been a great servant to both club and country.And the free kick he scored at Old Trafford will always,in my opinion,rank as one of the great sporting moments.But i honestly believe that we need to move on now, and plan for the future,which is the next world cup.Is it really realistisc to expect David Bekham to be considered for the 2010 world cup.If the answer is no then why on earth is he being picked,when there are younger players out there like Lennon and Bentley that should be playing,

Paul.

CJtill


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Posts: 836

Message Posted:
12/10/2008 21:02

Just look at facts, England are one step closer to S.A, whereby Scotland are going nowhere in 2010. Oh what happy days

Michael

newlad



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Message Posted:
12/10/2008 21:05

CJ,

It doesnt excuse the fact,though that last night they where awful,

Paul.

CJtill


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Message Posted:
12/10/2008 21:11

No one is ever satisfied with England.

When they play well and drop 2 points its moan and groan, and when they play poorly against a pub side and score 5 goals its moan and groan again.

I just thank my lucky stars that I was not born north of the border otherwise all I could look forward to was another womens curling success.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
12/10/2008 21:15

Newlad..I believe Borats side hadnt scored in there last six matches and had conceded quite a few,and which side lets them score through a stupid school boy error ,ENGLAND. Capello new they had scored the moment Cole touched the ball. He turned away in disgust shaking his head and probably wondering "what the hell have Ilet myself in fore"..No wonder cole got booed fore most of the time.God help us when we play some decent teams....

kenny



Joined: 26/05/2008
Posts: 405

Message Posted:
12/10/2008 21:19

CJtill whats your problem with the jocks ?

newlad



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Message Posted:
12/10/2008 21:22

Here we go Culloden part 2,

Paul.

Turtle


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Message Posted:
12/10/2008 21:28

Ashley Cole.........................might be a decent player if he had a right foot.

Professional players who can only kick with one foot, thats the problem with the english game?

newlad



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Message Posted:
12/10/2008 21:37

Touche Turtle,

Paul.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
12/10/2008 21:43

Too many foreign footballers in the uk now. We've lost our identity as a football nation. We are trying to play European football and thats not what our game is all about. We were pathetic last night. Why did they play Heskey and not Agbonlahor from Villa? We've got to move forward and not backwards. Beckham is the best crosser of a ball in the world - bar none. However we should be looking for someone else to replace him now - but there is no one around.

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
12/10/2008 21:50

I'm one of the opposite camp... I believe that the good foreign players make British footballers play better to keep their place in the first team....



I'm not in favour of quotas as they are like positive discrimination...



OK some of the top teams are populated with foreign nationals but that means the clubs can't find a good enough UK player for the team... it's tough but eventually British players will up their game.... I hope....

newlad



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Message Posted:
12/10/2008 21:53

Groucho,

Beg to differ there mate but then again it is a forum,

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
12/10/2008 21:56

I wonder how many foreign players were in the old first division when we won the world cup in 66,

Paul.

Turtle


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Message Posted:
12/10/2008 22:03

Do you think someone at Lancaster gate is pulling the strings ?

Why would the last 3 managers keep playing the same old dross every England game

Coachie



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Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
12/10/2008 22:27

Turtle..One of the reasons I think is we have far too man y foreign players here and alot of them are past there sell buy dates,living on there past glories.Consequently ourclubs are abandoning there youth policies and we have no youg blood coming through and we end up playing british players in our international side who are past ther sell buy date. Thjey have definately got to start blooding some of tese youngsters in our top sides so we can have an international side that can compete with the best at any level...

newlad



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Message Posted:
12/10/2008 22:47

The top and bottom of it is there are two many foreign players in our leagues.I also think that the pride thing has gone.Pulling on that once famous jersey maybe doesnt mean as much anymore.And why should they be paid when they play for their country it should be seen as an honour.



Gerrard and Lampard cannot, repeat cannot function when they are playing in the same team.Both are good players but not in the same team.David Bentley should be allowed to carry on Beckhams roll.Lennon and Walcott are also the future.Belarus will be a totally different kettle of fish and i think we will see a more composed team out there,

Paul.

Turtle


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Message Posted:
12/10/2008 23:16

I agree with most of what you say paul but Lennon the future?

He will have to improve 10 fold for me

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
12/10/2008 23:20

we are not any worse than we were ,everyone else has just got better.

rocky


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Message Posted:
12/10/2008 23:29

Lennon why? neither he or Tottenham know how to go forward do they?

McSteviet



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Posts: 1089

Message Posted:
12/10/2008 23:36

Beckham for 2010. no-one else as shown any promise in that role and until they do, he should still be in the squad.



He came off the bench last night and opened up the right hand side again....



provded the cross for the last goal, an even skinned a full back, one of the only times I've seen him scin anyone.



MC

japal


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 89

Message Posted:
13/10/2008 07:29

Beckham can only ever now be used as a squad player if only for his expierience. Remember Lord Teddy of Sheringham, just use him when we have to. There are a few decent players in the under 21`s but whether they will get their chance,who knows.

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
13/10/2008 10:59

Paul, this may help you.

Since the league recommenced in 1946, the vast majority (87.4 percent) of non-

English players came from the ‘Celtic fringe’ of Scotland, Northern Ireland and

the Irish Republic. Of these, the Scottish contribution, which amounts to twothirds

(68.4 percent) of all foreign players, was by far the largest.

Most (65.6 percent) of the Scottish recruitment took place in the 1950s and

1960s and involved nearly every club in the English league. After the 1960s, the

volume of Scottish and Irish signings declined until it eventually fell below that

coming from overseas after the mid-1980s. During 1976–85, there were 71 footballers playing in the English league from mainly Europe.

During the first period, which lasted from 1946 to the late 1970s, the market was restricted to those who held British passports, or retained the right to take up employment in Britain without requiring work permits. For the period 1966–75 there were less than 20 foreign footballers p

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
13/10/2008 11:01

I agree, as stated in my message 8. Gerrard and Lampard cannot play together. One of them has to go (hopefully Lampard)

eager


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Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
13/10/2008 11:55

Did anyone see the under 21s against Wales? The guy Johnson scred a very good goal, they played much better football than the seniors.

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
13/10/2008 20:22

Doyen,

Ref-mess 34 you really are a stat man thanks for that.By foregners i meant players from outside england both republic and northen ireland wales and scotland.



Steve,

Beckham for 2010.Spoken like a true yellow belly,Louth utd fan i bet lol.

jakki



Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 865

Message Posted:
13/10/2008 23:06

Andy [message 3]



It wasn't Man U players who won the World Cup for England, it was West Ham. Only one team had three players in the 1966 final [okay, I know you were only 4]. One team had the captain [Saint Bobby Moore], and only one team had the goal scorers Sir Geoff Hurst[the first hat trick in a final] and Sir Martin Peters.



Consistently the best England player of the past few years.... Joe Cole or perhaps Rio Ferdinand. Just hope Capello makes the best use of Wayne Rooney, or if he can get over his injuries, Dean Ashton [okay next year!]

Regards



Arthur

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
14/10/2008 09:45

jakki. Martin Peters has not been knighted. He's an MBE

jakki



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Message Posted:
14/10/2008 11:05

Well..............isn't it time he was knighted, considering the rubbish that get knighted or enobled

CJtill


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Posts: 836

Message Posted:
14/10/2008 17:54

With England reserves playing in Belarus on Wednesday a victory is not assured, even though the bookies are offering 1 to 3 an England win.

The value bet, in my opinion, is backing the home side at 7 to 1 (draw no bet) with boylesports.

It may not be patriotic but it is a good chance of making some decent money.

Michael

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
14/10/2008 18:16

jakki - I blame the government!

newlad



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Message Posted:
14/10/2008 20:17

CJ,

What do you mean "england reserves" who is mising apart from Terry and Cole,

Paul.

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
14/10/2008 20:26

New lad



My point is that it's survival of the fittest.... Man U's and other Premier league club's British players' fitness has improved no end as a result of having to prove themselves against some of the best players the world has to offer... even within their own teams squad...



It's evolutionary and that's why the Premier League is the envy of Europe now... It build tough, fit and professional players with the wining attitude that has seen UK football become so strong in the last 20 years...



The record of UK clubs stands as testament to this... This can only be for team England as it gives the manager a much better list of players to pick from and more depth, which is why are able to argue about who should replace players and play makers like Beckham... at least there is now a raft of young players coming along...



Where did somebody get the idea that the football academy/youth squad system has been abandoned?

CJtill


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Posts: 836

Message Posted:
14/10/2008 21:47

Paul

Joe Cole is also missing as well as Cashley.

England look pretty weak at the back with Bridge and Upson on the left.

With Gerrard and Lampard probably starting, this could be very difficult, with Belarus only losing by the odd goal in Kiev.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
14/10/2008 22:26

CJ,

Cant see England having a problem personally.Losing Cashley is no great loss,he has never been the same player since he left the gooners in my opinion. Terry will be sadly missed though,

Paul.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
15/10/2008 19:50

Good luck England for tonight's game!

Groucho



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Message Posted:
15/10/2008 23:12

3 - 1 up just now... looking good

Groucho



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Message Posted:
15/10/2008 23:26

Wayne Rooney, perhaps one of the in-form footballers in the world, is taken off and replaced by David Beckham, winning his 107th cap.

newlad



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Message Posted:
15/10/2008 23:27

Told you all there wouldnt be a problem,

Paul.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
15/10/2008 23:29

2123: Full-time Belarus 1-3 England

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
16/10/2008 10:12

Congratulations to England. A solid performance.