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HildySmith


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I was talking to a lady who has waited 5 years for her home and is renting here now. She is a pensioner who has paid over 90k for her house. There are 7 houses in Incusu which have been sold to British families by CAFER YUCELGAZI - who was an unregistered builder (now registered).

He has taken all their payments (only the final one is due on completion) and has walked away and left them with houses unfit to live in. the houses are now falling down as he did not put retaining wall on the mountain side.

WHAT CAN THESE PEOPLE DO?????



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http://www.no-deeds-no-money.moonfruit.com



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Apparently he is also responsible for half the houses in Karsiyaka which are also falling down.

He told a friend that he has built over 200,000 houses in TRNC - are any of them still standing???????



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HildySmith



And so it will go on and on and on until someone put a stop to it! and who will put a stop to it?



HildySmith


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Apparently they have taken Hasan Sungur to court and the Judge said that as he did not sign their contract so he is not liable - therefore he is above the LAW

- THE ONE THAT HE WROTE WHICH CAME INTO EFFECT ON 1.1.2008 which says that Landowners must sign contracts so that the contact can be registered.

By not signing the contract he is not bound by the law and has effectively put himself above the law.



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How can it be OK for the President of the Estate Agents Union to contract with an UNREGISTERED builder to build on land with no Building Permit and no infrastructure???????



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Hi Hildy Smith,



Where have you been whats all this about permits, unregistered builders, lawyers sorry advocates, banks, geverments infrasture there is no-one out there to help you you are on your own i'm afraid ask Aramante folks K5folks,Olive grove, folks, list goes on and on and on and on lots of people talk the talk but to actualy do anything constructive fraid not



Good luck to these poor people but do not worry there will be more lambs to the slaughter



Welcome to the TRNC



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The President of the Estate Agents Union can do anything he wants! they are all above the Law! mainly because there is no normal law that any civilized society would recognise! You could refer back to Aga :-(





However I wish them Good Luck!



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Sorry but this is just not possible,



"He told a friend that he has built over 200,000 houses in TRNC -"



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there aren't 200.000 houses in TRNC,including the sheds!



HildySmith


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That just shows you what a liar he is.

He also told he was President of the Construction Industry and that the Government had promised to sort out all of the estates mentioned above.

He is a liar, a con man and a thief as far as I can see. I visited another friend who is having her house put right in Karsiyaka. The arches are falling down, all the walls are damaged it is a mess. It cost her nearly 3k last year and now she is doing more work.



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I have been told that Cafer is still building and he has a company in Lefkosia AND believe it or not - he is now a REGISTERED builder.

I was also told that he is part of the partnership of Ca Sa which built houses in Karsiyaka and did not finish them and has mortgaged the land - HOW DID HE GET REGISTERED????????

I asked this question at a HBPG meeting and was told that no-one had complained about him - yet CA SA has been mentioned on here for years - when he is taken to court he just does not turn up.



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The lady in Karsiyaka who has a Cafer house is not British - she is Turkish Cypriot who was evacuated in the troubles as a 3 year old and has come back home to live - so Cafer has no quarms about ripping off his own people (he is no better than the Greeks for the way he treats the Turkish Cypriots) they took away lives in one way - he takes away lives in another.

I was told the other day that they know they are dealing with elderly brits so they just let them wait until they die.



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And yet the HBPG says that everyone should negotiate with lawyers, builders and the Government and then everything will be OK and everyone will get what they are entitled to!!!



Tango1



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Tango1;



I've said it all along,'you are your own enemy.



Not that 2 makes 1 wright.'



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mess 15 - bit below the belt, worzel.......



HildySmith


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Lots of negotiations have got them nowhere - Cafer got more money and Hasan demands his land back.... where does that leave these people.



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More publicity is needed



HildySmith


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Can anyone suggest any Turkish Media which may take the story up in the Turkish papers. I spoke to one TC lady (a former estate Agent who knows Cafer and Hasan Sungur) she suggested they go to Ada TV as a man there does this kind of story as holiday homes from hell - but she has been unable to find them.



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Any other suggestions as to how to get more publicity would be welcome



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You could always approach Boysan Boyra law firm to see if they are willing to act as they have done for the Kulaksiz 5



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Message 5 "...Apparently they have taken Hasan Sungur to court and the Judge said that as he did not sign their contract so he is not liable - therefore he is above the LAW...THE ONE THAT HE WROTE WHICH CAME INTO EFFECT ON 1.1.2008 which says that Landowners must sign contracts so that the contact can be registered.By not signing the contract he is not bound by the law and has effectively put himself above the law..."



Something is strange here..are you saying that the buyers parted with their money without having a signed contract in their hands ?



If his signature is not on the contract, can you explain to me how a judge could be expected to find him in default?



TonyE



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msg 22 ,strange



HildySmith


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The buyers were guided by their Advocate Mustafa & Ayhan Sener of Sener Law Firm. Sener's judged that it was not necessary for Hasan Sungur to sign the contract as he had a contract with the builder Cafer Yucelgazi. He states in several emails that he has protected the buyers by doing it in this way. He also lied to them telling them for 'years' that their houses were registered when they were not and that all of the 'necessary permits' had been completed.

Lies Lies and More Lies



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At least it wont happen again as everyone has learned from the mistakes that have been made TRUST NO ONE

I don't think with out government help anyone will get anything back from the rouge builders.



TRNCvictim


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fosterscan (mess25)



How right you are! Government help is not forthcoming so ...............



elkiton



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Thank you message 24, I asked because it was not clear who's name as the "seller" was on the contract of sale.

TonyE



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Hey Tony. . . I hope your renovations are completed. . . . Btw . . How's the drumming going, do we have a band. . . . ?



HildySmith


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The Advocate - Mustafa and Ayhan Sener - in their wisdom, stated they have checked this out and they had arranged for the contact between Cafer and Hasan Sungur and therefore he said that it was totally safe. On the Contract Cafer is referred to as the 'Beneficiery' and/or 'contractor' - He said he did this to protect them.

What a load of Crap!!!!!!! - they know that now but thought they had done all their homework and checked everything out at the time (which was 2006)

Ayhan Sener acted as the advocate and it took then approx 2 years before they found out that she was only the advocates WIFE!!!!!!!!! She is a TC brought up in London and calls herself and 'Essex Girl'. She now given hereself the title of 'Conveyance' executive - in other words she is more likely to be a legal secretary who has worked in a London Solicotrs office.



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Where I come from me have Adults With Incapacity legislation to protect the elderly and vulnerable from being fleeced by crooks. Is there nothing similar in the "TRNC"?

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Justice/law/awi



elkiton



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Message 8..Will PM you. Renovations done excepting pool. Court appearance Easter Monday, big day!



elkiton



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msg 28, No I wont PM, no email address!

TonyE



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Hi Tony . . . . No worries . . . I'll send you one. . . .



HildySmith


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Elkiton/Traveller0392 - is this relevant, do you have anything to offer by way of advice, support, suggestions, if so we would love to hear them??????



HildySmith


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It also appears that a lot of people at Karsiyaka who bought of Ca Sa (also Cafer Yucelgazi) are still waiting for Kocans, works to be completed, respairs to be carried out. Some of the houses have very serious cracks - and he mortgaged the land??????



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You can understand why Apostolides wants the Orams' old place demolished. Who wants a crumbling ruin on their land?



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HildySmith please read this board which as a dedicated post regarding the Incesu Site - http://www.3cyprus.com/index.php/board,54.0.html



HildySmith


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It appears to be forgotton that when the greeks were ethnic cleansing the Turiksh Cypriots a lot of them went to London and were brought up in the UK. They were given shelter, homes, education etc etc etc at the cost to the UK people and most of them are now pensions - like those living here.



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My father left Cyprus when he was in his early 20's to live in the UK. He was 'given' nothing. He was not a 'cost' to the 'UK people', in fact exactly the opposite. He alongside my mother worked for years and years like near slaves in the UK, against many obstacles including prejudice, to build up a sucsessful business, employing many people. In the late 70's he was paying on his top tier of earnings in income tax and national insure 98pence in every pound he earnt. Untill he became ill in retirement he had never claimed a single penny of any kind of benefit in the UK. In over all terms far from having been given things (homes education shelter) at the cost of the UK people, he paid in vastly more to the UK people than an average citizen and in fact the taxes on his hard work labour and enterprise was paying for other UK citizens 'shelter homes education'.

This idea that Cypriots fled to the UK and were just given things paid for by 'UK people' is just not true.

[cont]



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msg 39,



Much the same could be said for immigrants from the Indian sub-continent who toiled for a better future for their children. Bravo to this generation.



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The vast majority of those Cypriots who gained UK citizenship and went to live in the UK in the 50 , 60's and 70's were hard working people who contributed more to the UK than they ever took out. To suggest otherwise is to pervert reality.



Let us not even start down the road of why so many Cypriots were given UK citizenship, why the UK 'ruled' Cyprus and what role the UK had in making worse the intercommunal problems in Cyprus in order to meet their own needs.



Seriously you seem to think that the UK was some sort of benign benefactor to those Cypriots that fled to the UK, with no responsibility and that just gave such people everything they needed at the expense of 'UK people' (which the cypriots were as much a part of as soon as they became British citizens). A more distorted version of reality as to what it was like for Cypriots that left Cyprus to live in the UK in the 50's I can not imagine.



elkiton



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Hildy,

Don't be stupid please, if I had something apposite that would contribute to the discussion it would have been posted by now. You can see quite clearly that our exchange was not part of the thread and we took any further discussion off-line immediately. - So, a little tolerance before you jump on the keyboard would be appreciated.



Re your comments on the TC's coming to UK and from your inference they were "getting everything for free", it sounds as though you know little about the TC community. Are you very much biased against them particularly, or just immigrants in general?



TonyE



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OH Hildy re msg 38, in my time I have known many Cypriots in the Uk from both sides of the line and I am totally unaware that they were given anything. They worked hard in their own businesses and contributed to the UK economy as the rest of us did. What proof have you of such scandalous allegations?



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Yes but they had the opportunity to do it. They were not restricted by other factors as is the case here. I could not do what others have done i.e. setting up a business here. There are so many restrictions. Also I left school at 16 in 1961 and I also toiled and toiled and never claimed benefits. at 15 I earned 2.16.11 and after 3 months assessment my wages went up to 3.7s.6d a week. I had to pay a full stamp for a year before I was allowed to claim for unemployment or sickness benefit - these were the only benefits available. If you wanted more you had to go to he National Assistance and beg. Which I did once as we were both unemployed with a baby (I was 18 and he was 20) we were given 1 and told not to come back and look for work. The council would not give me a house so I struggled and bought a one bedroomed cottage to renovate it had water, toilet and coal house in the yard with wash-house, it was 695.00 and we were earning 4 & 8 per week.



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We got no grants or benefits to do it up and had to spend 7 years doing it. By which time we had 3 children (no free familiy planning then). We sold that and bought another and did that until we provided ourselves with a good home - which we sold to come here. Now Hasan Sungur and Cafer Yucelgazi have stolen the lot and we are pensioners living in rented accommodation

What the TC's had to do in England was no different to what the English had to do in England. And I suffered predjudice because I was brought up in the poor end of town.



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I am not making scandalous allegations, nor am I predjudice - One of the reasons I came here is because of the 'WONDERFUL' Turkish Cypriot people - one of which is my BEST FRIEND.

What I am saying is that people were able to 'escape' (or whatever you want to call it) to the UK. and were able to work, able to buy able do live a life and I congratulate them - they are also disgusted by what is happening here as they are seeing how these people have been treat. My son is 42 and he is trying desperately to get a job here. He cannot start up his own business because he is not TC or has a TC partner.

These people are pensioners have done the same as Erolz's family - now they have had it all stolen by Hasan Sungur and Cafer Yucelgazi and there are no laws here to protect them. All my TC friends are disgusted about the way they have been treated by their countrymen and many have helped them to try to sort it out. Without the TC's helping them they would be in a worse mess!!!!!!!!!!



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Yes, so a person has scammed you, cut out the racism as in your previous post. I should imagine that many on this board had a hard life too. No, the laws are not the same as the UK and it has been stated numerous times on your posts, contact people who may be able to help you. People who have had and are still having similar problems. I think Polly even offered to see if she could help.........I suggest you take up the offer of help and maybe you will get somewhere instead of winding peole up with your ridiculous remarks about a whole race based on the ethnicity of a particular person.



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LETS ALL JUMP ON THE RACISM BAND WAGON BECAUSE WE DO NOT AGREE WITH SOMEONE!!!!!



Having spent 30+ years working with the unemployed, disabled, abused, disadvantaged (including predudice), excluded people and ex offenders - I can assure you there is not a racist bone in my body. I have spent years supporting and helping and guiding people of many colours and races. Including refugees in the UK and asylum seekers. I taught diversity and laws relating to Equality within local authorities and many companies throughout the UK.

GET OFF YOUR BLOODY BAD WAGONS AND STOP USING RACE AS AN EXCUSE TO GET YOUR POINT ACROSS. i BELIEVE IN ONE THING ONLY

EQUALITY FOR ALL !!!!!!

I have also welcomed coloured people INTO my home and my family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



HildySmith


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it is Cafer Yucelgazi A TURKISH CYPRIOT who is screwing Brits and TC's alike. My TC friend has spent 5 years trying to get him to put her house right.

No one can contact him

he was not a registered builer but he is now

and he is still building here - the law does nothing

You take him to court and he does not turn up and nothing is done.

He even sent some of the buyers a letter from his solicitor telling them to vacate the property they have never been able to get into.



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HildySmith



Some people on this board won't like you because you fight your corner! let it go over your head they will throw anything they can at you, including the raciest card! I have been there!



They want all victims to disappear so they can say the TRNC is a beautiful place, god knows why, it's in every one's interest who lives there even if they have had no problems to understand that many have and until someone in the Government decides enough corruption has gone on, and the place needs a good clean! more and more victims will arrive, and although some will walk away! many of us will make sure the world knows just what is going on both sides of the so called Green Line!



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Yes TRNC Victim - its an 'I am alright Jack' situation here - thanks for your support and advice.



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