How Much More Can Little Ismail Take ?

JohhnyLee


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 19:31

We need your support on May the 1st.



Last night I spoke with Ismails dad Cemal, He is so upset, Ismail is not eating properly due to the Chemo.



The Cancer treatment has to cease agin for a while,



He is now also facing the prospect of a Bone Marrow Transplant.



When we first met Ismail, he needed a new arm, We raised that money fairly quickly, But then the Cancer cropped up.



So funds where diverted, We need your help. Thank You. He really is one very special brave little lad.

suehowlittle


Joined: 31/10/2010
Posts: 1202

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 19:47

Oh, my God, this poor child, how much can his little body take.



We also must remember that he is not the only child with cancer on this island, he is blessed that he has the love and concern of so many people.



I wish that we could help them all.



Please everyone support this cause.



Happy Easter

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 20:06

Lee ! how devistating and demoralising ! Its hard to know what to say ! I'm sure a lot of people must be "Charity'd out" as we all try to support these things in the best way possible. All we can hope for is that people come next week and enjoy the event and give generously knowing it is really meant to be a lifeline and president for all who suffer so terribly ! regards barry

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 20:27

Lee,is there a paypal account set up so folk can donate?

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 20:33

Johnnylee,



We are going to come along with our daughter and grandson, what times and who is singing, as grandson is only 4 we cannot come to late but will be there for 3-4hours. When would be best time to come?



JOhn

JohhnyLee


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 21:09

OK Thank you , We will publish play list next week and update on some great Raffle Prizes.



I Am not very computer literate, (in fact I am not very literate full stop) I didn't listen at school.



But last year I set up a bank AC in the UK, because lots of people on 44 said they would like to donate, (unfortunatley it did not happen).



Bu these are the deatils of the AC and I beleive you can donate world wide.



HSBC Ismail's Appeal. 40-10-39 ACC. Code. 40079324 Thank You

Earlybird


Joined: 28/04/2009
Posts: 816

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 22:09

Is it not possible for the Kemal Saracoglu Foundation to help, I understood they helped children with cancer?

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
23/04/2011 00:19

The North Cyprus Cancer Charity Trust could surely give you advice on who to turn to, and who might help further........

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
23/04/2011 00:43

This is so sad poor little love its one thing after the other...Yes John as the Two cancer charities that we have over here they must be able to help in some way or another..Please ask..







Spider,X

spider


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Message Posted:
23/04/2011 00:45

sorry ment to say...yes johnnyLee ask the two charities.





Spider,X

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
23/04/2011 00:56

I am sure the KSF would give advice but apart from advice the money they spend is on those who need to be helped financially. It appears that there is a large sum of money already donated to help Ismail. cannot the money collected be used for his cancer treatment either here or in Turkey. (Presumably he cannot go to the south).the same would probably apply to Tulips. Both are excellent charities , and as far as KSF is concerned they currently have about 40 children and their families they help. I am sure Ismail could be helped, but there does not appear to be the same financial difficulties. Please someone correct if I am wrong. Also the bone marrow transplant would probabl,y be from the organisation that collects it (like the blood bank) and that is a subsidiary of KSF, so in a way they would be helping.One does wonder why these little ones have to suffer so much, but great that there are caring hearts out there.

JohhnyLee


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
23/04/2011 05:46

We have not really received any help from any official Cancer Charities.



Yes of course we would have welcomed that.



There is no large sum of money, hardly any fundraising has been done recentley, we have relyed on very kind people making donations.



But trying to support Cancer treatment and meet all travel costs etc. inTurkey is expensive,



Turkey is a big place, and the family are having to stay in Hatay, and you can't travel from there to Istanbul, and all the other hospitals that Ismail has been to by bus, it is a plane journey,



At times we have had to pay for 5 seats, so that Ismail could lie down across 3 seats,



Ismails family have SEVERE fiancial difficulities. There are 3 young children, and a mom now with low blood pressure and depression with what she has ben through, and a dad who is trying to spend all is time with Ismail and travel with him etc. So his dad cannot work. Since Ismail lost his arm in the accident when he was 4, the family have suffered ctd.

JohhnyLee


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
23/04/2011 06:00

The most awful emotional and financial hardship.



This poverty like I did not realise exsisted here, but as many of us know it does.



We are at the blunt end of this. We have seen it close up. The family had nothing, they lived in a glorified stable.



After Ismail had lost his arm, his dads boss virtually halved is wages to around 600 lira per month, because he had paid out around 15K lira for the emergency Op. and flights etc.







£50 per week does not go very far for a family of 5.



When Ismail was still in Cyprus we used to take them clothes , food, toys donated by so many kind people, and to them it was like Christmas morning.



We now hope and pray, that all ends well and we will be able to do this again.



Thank you for your advice and concern.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
23/04/2011 07:40

Gosh Lee its again devastings news but if the cancer charties here cannot help, there must be some larger organisations in Turkey set up to help children like Ismail.My prayers are with this brave boy and his family and of course you and Jan.

JohhnyLee


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
23/04/2011 15:31

Sometimes Lilli, I feel like I am banging my head aginst abrick wall, 2 steps forward and 3 back.



May be because organisations think it is being dealt with, then it is one less for them to worry about. that is not said with any disrepect, and I dont blame them they have enough to do and have to raise their own funds.



But I shall just keep on fighting, if poor little ismail can keep fighting then I'm damn sure I can.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
23/04/2011 16:27

we are with you love, never give up this fight.

Mr Vince


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Posts: 696

Message Posted:
23/04/2011 17:00

JohnnyLeae where can I drop off a raffle prize?

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
23/04/2011 18:34

Msg 12 - what have the cancer charities told you, as to why they cannot help - did you say, well - point me in the direction of any charities that you think may help then? and have both you the little boy's family approached them?

JohhnyLee


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
23/04/2011 18:35

Mr Vince thank you where abouts are you, East or West Girne, and thank you.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
23/04/2011 22:09

What I am unable to understand is the fact that we have TWO cancer charities over here and as yet not one has even offered any form of even a donation to Ismails fund as yet ? maybe someone may come along and explain why they seem unable to donate a little........





Spider,X

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 00:41

Yes, I am confused too, on several fronts. I thought (obviously wrongly) that there was a goodly sum iin the kitty to help ismail so that he could have his prothesis renewed as necessary. I understand about extreme poverty here - there is a lot of it - but I cnanot understand if there is a real need for help as to why neither of the two charities will help. Maybe they feel that there IS enough money for Ismail and when that is gone they will help. Just what have they said, as you say you have approached both of them.

Talking to Resiye today of tulips she said they never turn anyone away, and I know that the Kemal Saracoglyu foundation hep several families, and I don't think they turn any one away. so please, Johnny, explain as I am sure there are several of us soon this board who cannot understand. thanks

Mr Vince


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 696

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 09:49

We are in Ozankoy.



Vince

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 10:41

surely messages 1,12 and 13 explain why more funds are needed

Earlybird


Joined: 28/04/2009
Posts: 816

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 11:01

Re msg 21, I am confused too Marion. I genuinely believed this was the kind of situation they raised money for, particularly Kemal Saracoglu Foundation, which is for children.

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 11:09

Maybe I have confused myself here, but to message 23, I understand the message, but I understood that a considerable sum had been raised for Ismail to pay for his prosthesis during his life. I ccannot remember the exact sum, but |I had an idea (maybe eronneously) that it was a large sum.

so how much more is needed, and where did the original monies go - unless of course it is in air fares etc.Balanced against that I know the staff of Kemal Saracoglu,they are caring, loving and compassionate in the extreme and help whole families regardless of race, colour or creed , and only yesterday Raziye of Tulips said 'we never say no' - so ..... Or could it be that both charities feel that there is enough money already for Ismail. I realise if you spend it all on his cancer treatmentt there will be none left for the prosthesis, but maybe that is the road to go. But I would REALLY like to be 'deconfused' Johnny.

mamachina


Joined: 22/11/2008
Posts: 730

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 11:17

Perhaps, Lee, you could do a very rough Balance sheet showing where all the money has gone so far? I know moving the family cost, finding accommodation, and then all the hospital fees for tests before they even started doing anything all mounted up, and in no way I am suggesting anything untoward, I know you! But some readers may be interested in how fast money can disappear!! What is still in the kitty, and what is still to be paid for, may help some members comprehend the enormity of the situation!

Yes, and where are the cancer charities, or is it because he's out of the country now, that they are not involved?

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 11:18

Marion,

Just put Ismail into the search box at the top and read all the threads then you will see what this kid has been through and also just how much money has been spent so far! Cancer treatments really are very expensive not only here but in the rest of the world.

Lee and Jan have put their lives on hold for this kid and they have the greatest admiration from me.



Unfortunately Ismail is not the only one on the island who has / had cancer and I would think that the charities here struggle to help everyone due to the high incidences of this disease. They do a brilliant job as well.



Chris

Earlybird


Joined: 28/04/2009
Posts: 816

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 11:45

I think this is the whole point of raising the issues re the cancer charities, that there may be help elsewhere to take some of the burden away from Lee and Jan. It is just us trying to help with suggestions of where more funds may be available, which they may not have been aware of.

yunus



Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 327

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 12:33

i would just like to add that, at the begining of this story, all we set out to do was to get ismail a new arm ! this arm was meant to be renewed as and when needed.



since this time we have battled with a tumor growing around ismails main artery on his arm. the tumor is feeding from this main artery and even the top hospitals in turkey are saying that it still is a very risky operation at this point. they are trying every other avenue to avoid the operation. ismail receives chemotherapy and lazer treatment and has rest periods in between. he has to fly to istanbul to the main hospital, he has to fly to ankara to the health ministry ( yes, he has to go too ! ), he has to fly back to hatay for his rest periods as accommodation in istanbul is too expensive ! he has to lie down on flight and he needs to be accompanied by a nurse on all flights !



he has since had a brain haemorage which the main hospital in hatay could not deal with and sent him to the next largest city of (continue

yunus



Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 327

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 12:54

largest city of gaziantep ( when the doctors in hatay decided he was well enough to fly ). now , as lee says he may need a bone marrow transplant.



i as the translator for ismail feel depressed. i can't even begin to imagine what the family are going through. we have tried talking to everybody in turkey who can help ! we have argued, shouted and screamed when needed. everything only ever follows its course. i can honestly say that if it was not for lee, another person would have given up a very long time ago ! truth be said, i would never ever have gotten involved if i knew what this mission was going to entail. it really is mentally draining, frustrating and stressful !

as for the charities and media organisations i have personally contacted. . . NO COMMENT !!!



ismail's father cemal now suffers from heart problems, his mother is chronically depressed. thier two younger children. . . well who knows what they feel ! no job ! no home ! well what else could possibly go wrong !

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 12:57

Oh Yunus, its all so sad. Lee and jan have my greatest respect. As do you x

LooseBoots



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Posts: 1258

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 13:08

Re msg 17.



Mr Vince. You can drop any raffle prizes in to me anytime and I will get to Lee.

Biggles


Joined: 14/06/2009
Posts: 165

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 13:49

JohnnyLee,

I work for Can Sigorta. I wil donate a TRNC Third Party car insurance policy for your raffle. Please email me.

carol@cansigorta.com

Good luck you are doing a wonderful job! I am sure every penny is well spent.

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 16:33

Msg 30 - with respect, if you did comment - it would give a clearer picture of what the situation is - what they said, and their rationale for saying it - then perhaps someone on the Island can - with that information - go back to them, or know of somewhere else they can turn to - and tell that third party - why the aforementioned cancer charities can no longer help........knowledge is power - to make informed comment, one has to have the information.......

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 16:40

thanks for all the explanations, and well done Can Sigorta. I just hope that lots of people buy lots of tickets to generate the income.

I knew most of the story, but sadly do not have time to read all the threads, and I KNOW that some people deserve to be sainted for what they have done. But why on earth does the poor lad have to fly hither and thither. It must be nightmarish.

But I have spoken at length with Gediz of Kemal Saracoglu who said she remembers thatt initially they were asked if they could help with the arm. She is not aware of anyone asking for help since, but says that if someone such as Johnny Lee gets in touch with them they will see if they can help.



So Johnny Lee, do you have the contact number for KSF, or can I help?

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 16:50

Yunus (Yanis) We shall never give up with our half empty cup and so many tears !!!!! regards barry

LooseBoots



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Posts: 1258

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 17:12

to the top

LooseBoots



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Message Posted:
24/04/2011 18:36

And



Again

JohhnyLee


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 19:02

Marion my Num is 0533 843 6539, Feel free to contact me.



Thank You.

smwredd


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 260

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 19:21

Having read this, Peter has suggested that he and his Group, do a Charity Barn Dance for Ismail. Is there anyone that can act as a Caller for this if it can be arranged.

JohhnyLee


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 19:45

What is a caller ? I have P.A. sytem etc etc. and also entertain, More than Happy to help.



Also thank you a barn Dance sounds good and something different.



(Just need to find a barn)

denizen



Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 23:03

msg 27

Marion,



Just put Ismail into the search box at the top and read all the threads then you will see what this kid has been through and also just how much money has been spent so far! Cancer treatments really are very expensive not only here but in the rest of the world.



doesn't really answer Marion's msg 25 or Mama China's msg 26. Chris. Never thought of it before but why won't the official charities help (25) and why no balance sheet (26) I donated and will again, whether or not 25 and 26 are answered. It can't be easy keeping track, unless you're a professional

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 23:15

Thanks Denizen, I think that Mama China's request is reasonable. But I would like to reiterate that I have spoken at length to kemal Saracoglu foundation which helps children with cancer, and they certainly state they have not denied help. Initially they were asked about the prosthesis, but that is not within their remit. Hopefully Lee can talk with them and see if help can be given, but...... I think it is only fair to say (and this is me speaking, NOT the charity) that if there is money to help ismail, then I think it only right and proper that gets used for the lad so that the KSF can continue to help the extremely poor families who have no money. But, that is something they would have to talk through with lee, or preferably the father of the child. Maybe it is the father that should be approaching the charity as it IS a Turkish Cypriot one and everyone there speaks Turkish. As to Raziye's Tulips, I have no idea, but it could be worth getting in touch with her.

smwredd


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 260

Message Posted:
25/04/2011 12:29

For those of you unfamiliar with this term, a Caller is someone who is used during a Barn Dance, i.e. calls directions, etc. Obviously, any largish venue would be appropriate, doesn't have to be a Barn!

Biggles


Joined: 14/06/2009
Posts: 165

Message Posted:
26/04/2011 09:14

Johnny Lee, I have prepared the gift voucher from Can Sigorta for a raffle prize and I will be calling you.

Good luck with it, I hope that you get loads of excellent prizes!