arsenal are finished ?

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 19:58

title is gone for the gunners now , well done bolton and they missed a penalty .

harita


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 1343

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 20:21

Never a penalty in the first place ..

Ferdinand got away with it against Everton .. That was a penalty not given .. Only my opinion ..

arrry



Joined: 19/08/2008
Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 20:50

Dead and buried mate !! Wenger must go now ! All the top ex Gooners are saying it and now Cesc is saying the same thing. We need experience !!!! Yes he has done wonders for the club but now we need to move on . In my opinion he is not the manager to take us to the next level of winning things . If he can't even beat Birmingham in a Cup Final what chance have we against the top European sides ? The new owner needs to sit down and tell him !



Get Maureenio !!! He has the " win factor ", that is what we need. We dominate games week in week out ...but can't kill them off ! The managers tactics are to blame , walk away now Arsene . do us all a favour !! We may play the best football ( after Barca ) but we win sod all !!

eastendjoker


Joined: 24/04/2008
Posts: 166

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 22:03

listen to yourselves ! every year since well before they moved to the new stadium Arsenal have qualified for the champions league ! they have 30,000 new fans that have never seen the team outside the champions league ! what will they do when the day comes and it will that they dont qualify ! i just wish some of you could have a couple of seasons of the torture that is West Ham then you might have somthing to moan about !

arrry



Joined: 19/08/2008
Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 22:28

Message 4 .....You are right !!! But we have won F@$k all since 2005 !! If you want to be a top team then you have to win things . Maybe you are content to scrape into the Premier League every year but ..............i aint !! And nor are thousands of other HONEST Arsenal supporters ! Pretty football is all very well , but we need an end result. Wengers time is up !! I just hope they move him upstairs .Or swap him ...............for the Real Madrid manager ..!!!

eastendjoker


Joined: 24/04/2008
Posts: 166

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 22:45

no im not content to scrape into the premier league every year !!!!!!!!!!!!! i want West Ham to win somthing but i understand the financial constraints we are working under ! im no fan of Birmingham or Stoke but their relative success is good for the game and good for their fans who have endured the hard times ! im convinced theres 3/4 clubs that think the whole thing revolves around them ! treasure your special moments the goal at Anfield to win the league for one and be safe in the knowledge that at Arsenal you have one of the best run clubs in the world , you are and always will be the biggest club in London and it is only a matter of time before another pot arrives at your place but you will never know the feeling i have in my stomach when i look at the league table today ! but i will always be proud and thank god i have been fortunate enough to look back at some real great days supporting West Ham !

YFred


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Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 22:58

Arrry, you must be out of your mind to even think it never mind say it. Chelsea losing 80 million a year and just spent 70+million, 700 million in debt and counting. How long before old russian mafioso gets bored. Chelsea is finished after this year unless he spends another couple of hundred million end of the year.

As to ManU, they are not exactly very healthy either. I remember couple of other teams in debt. Leeds, Liverpool? do they ring a bell. Arsenal is the only team making any money without any great deal of debt. It's not a new manager we need, it is money. But it has to be sound economics. He has revolutionized our club to everybody's envy. I love the way the media go on about how many years they have not won anything. So has most of the Premiership, why do they always mention us. Jelousy? Tottenham has spent 300 million pounds and have not won anything for decades. Why not mention them? Not that I have anything against the yids.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 23:01

Moreeeenio will never go to the Gunners 'arry.

arrry



Joined: 19/08/2008
Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 23:04

Message 6..... This is why football is as big as it is ! It's all about passion .! I admire supporters that go week in week out but win nothing ! My first love are QPR because i was born there and they were my team as a nipper. And have they had their ups and downs .!!! It looks like they are back up with the big boys again and fair play to Neil Warnock for that ! As for Arsenal , yes under Wenger we have won some trophies but , don't forget he inherited the famous back 5 ! He didn't have to change a thing in defence . That is why i am so miffed as to why Steve Bould has not been drafted into the first team set up to sort out our defence ! He has done a brilliant job with the under 18's but the first team need him !!! It's all very well bringing on youngsters , but they need experience beside them !

YFred


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Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 23:07

NoDm the chosen one can only make homlet from waitrose heggs. Don't be silly, he couldn't arrange a piss up in a brewery without at least a billion. If you really wish to see what he was like, look at what he did at porto. If you call that football, I feel sorry for you.

arrry



Joined: 19/08/2008
Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 23:37

Message 6..... This is why football is as big as it is ! It's all about passion .! I admire supporters that go week in week out but win nothing ! My first love are QPR because i was born there and they were my team as a nipper. And have they had their ups and downs .!!! It looks like they are back up with the big boys again and fair play to Neil Warnock for that ! As for Arsenal , yes under Wenger we have won some trophies but , don't forget he inherited the famous back 5 ! He didn't have to change a thing in defence . That is why i am so miffed as to why Steve Bould has not been drafted into the first team set up to sort out our defence ! He has done a brilliant job with the under 18's but the first team need him !!! It's all very well bringing on youngsters , but they need experience beside them !

arrry



Joined: 19/08/2008
Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 23:45

Message 7 ......I agree 100% Wenger has turned our football club around ! We are financially stable and now have a backer who sounds as though he means business. We now have to take it a stage further and win a bleedin trophy !! In my opinion ,we will not do that under Wenger !! If you are a big club then you buy big !! Wenger is relying on youth , but we need the experienced players in the team as well . I think Gael Clichy ( who i hope they get rid of ) is the only player along with Fabregas who has won a trophy !! That is not the signs of a BIG club !! We need a BIG player !!

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
25/04/2011

We need a top class keeper, a defender and another Song. Another Henry would be nice but it is wishful thinking. Unfortunately football has become the toy of the mega rich and unless FA levels the playing field and makes these bar stewards pay their way properly rather than just pile on the debt, there is not a lot Wenger can do, unless of course Kronke is prepared to put up 100 million for transfers for next year.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
25/04/2011 00:18

Fabregas is stirring it up so as to get a move. nice to see the fans turning on the manager!



Even better that CFC are still LONDON's No 1 Team!

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
25/04/2011 00:46

If Barca can afford him, he can go. He wouldn't be the first nor the last.

PaulW



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Posts: 651

Message Posted:
25/04/2011 00:52

Arsenal play some of the best football in the Premiership, but because of lack of money to buy a top class forward they lack the final touch. I have seen teams try to pass the ball into the back of the goal, which is the Arsenal way. Wenger is a great tactician, but you can only work with what you have. Jose would love to return to the premiership, but not with Arsenal. Man City would be my bet. Back to this season, I hope Arsenal have the bottle to give Man Utd a game next week and then Chelsea beat Man Utd the following week, but as a Chelsea supporter I would say that, then game on.

arrry



Joined: 19/08/2008
Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
25/04/2011 01:13

Being a Londoner i hope Chelsea win it this year !! However it will be very difficult with so few games left. But if Arsenal beat Man Ure and Chelski beat Man Ure .!! Well anything can happen on the last day !!

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
25/04/2011 01:44

Arry, do not get too despondent. Arsenal with Spurs produced a match of calibre well beyond anything achieved by Man U in a very long time. Yes, a couple of proven world class signings may be called for but there are other factors to consider. Earlier in the Season Arsenal's undoubted ability to pass other teams to death had the end product of goals as they could raise the tempo of their play when necessary. They are not physically strong in the sense of stamina and at this stage of the Season they look knackered, perhaps now mentally too. If you also take into account the agenda's of officials in football for decades you might feel that Arsenal have done well in the circumstances. Arsenal were unlucky to lose at Man u, 4 yellow cards, 2 of which were not worth a free kick. 2 penalties in the Newcastle match, both a total joke, another extra time joke penalty last week. Some teams are permitted to defend agressively with impunity others are penalised. The stats are revealing.

arrry



Joined: 19/08/2008
Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
25/04/2011 02:16

Message 18 ..............I could not agree more ! The Tottenham game was the best Derby i have seen in in 40 years of watching Arsenal. Normally they are shit games.!!Yes ! we can pass teams to death , but we need an Ian Wright, Wright,Wright. !!! We need a BIG player in the team , ie , Vieira, Adams ,Bergkamp, . We haven't got one !! . YES we have had shit luck over the past few years , but it's no excuse ! We need a big player !! Full stop !!! Wenger knows it . Fabregas knows it , we all know it !!!

aripointer


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 189

Message Posted:
25/04/2011 17:05

Dont worry arry.



There will be a big clearout for the start of next season.

In my view either Fabergas or Wilshire should go. £40/50 million in the bank.

Sell Arshavin, Rosisky and Clichy approx £50million.

£100 million in the pot

Why sell Wilshire? He is left footed and most of all... he cannot score goals.



As I posted on another thread



Pat Rice retires at the end of season. His replacement will be the assistant to the Barcelona coach.

Buy Cahill, Scott Parker and a good striker there is also a very good young centre half at Charlton who is on the Arsenal radar.

Vermallin will be back next season.

When Wenger eventually retires. Owen Coyle the Bolton manager will take over?

I suppose Wenger will be a hero... if Arsenal beat Man U next week. Then what will all the knockers say?



Watch this space.



AP

magicart


Joined: 05/10/2008
Posts: 985

Message Posted:
25/04/2011 18:29

Yep -I agree.



They were finished when the "Bluenoses" turned them over in the Carling Cup Final.



Arsenal 1-Birmingham 2



Goodbye Mr Wenger!

LaptaGeezer


Joined: 01/06/2010
Posts: 407

Message Posted:
25/04/2011 19:21

In some ways I hope Whinger stays at Arse... nal, he is keeping them from winning anything which, as a Spurs fan, is just great!!



Was great to see him throwing his water bottle about recently and the ball at yesterday's game. Priceless!! He is making a laughing stock of the Gooner fans at the moment.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
25/04/2011 19:23

some comments are a bit harsh on him , i think he is a good manager, i just cant understand why he does not buy a top class keeper and centre half , he has money but wont spend it ? any new manager coming in would need to strip the team to the bones , venger only needs to tweak the team in certain positions .

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
25/04/2011 20:03

My my, is ther some poison out there. Birmingham turned us over. 2 -1 and 3-0. Yeah right. Your thugs play half as many games as us. You wish you had a manager like Arsen and team like Arsenal.

But I agree he should buy couple of players, but according to him, he does not have the money everybody pretends he does. I believe him.



He is simply the best manager in the world and long may he continue. The debt the top boys ae carrying will drown them sooner or later. Then when the playing fields are equal we shall dominate for the rest of time or at least till Weneger leaves.

As to Spurs, grow up. One win in 17 years does not make you a better team. See you next year where we'll wip your ass as per usual.

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
25/04/2011 20:07

http://goonertalk.com/2010/04/19/picture-arsenals-net-spending-in-premier-league-era-is-32m/



This makes very interesting reading. Speaks volumes.

aripointer


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 189

Message Posted:
25/04/2011 22:33

Magicart



You may have won the Carling Cup. Looking at your run in fixtures you could be in the Championship next year with the Brums previous owners team.



Ironic the six teams in the bottom six. Three W's and three B's.



AP

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
25/04/2011 22:47

It would be even more ironic if it was 3Ws and 3Cs. Now that would be funny.

LaptaGeezer


Joined: 01/06/2010
Posts: 407

Message Posted:
26/04/2011 10:33

YFred... if trophies are not important why did your lot decide to put them all around the ground with dates... bet they are wishing they had not done that one now!!



Considering you have had CL money for years now it is strange as to why Whinger has not spent more.. not really the actions of a good manager. I don't think you will pick up again unless you get rid of him. Fabregas will be away this summer and a few others too I think.. new blood is needed. As for whipping us next season... I recall some of my friends saying that last season! We shall see

clayton


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 1143

Message Posted:
26/04/2011 19:59

arsenal wont get rid of wengar,he wont spend their money.could it be the money they will give him is not worth spending.so rather then being embarresed,he keeps hold of it.its alright saying we have got this to spend just like utd are saying.lets wait and see.next season will show utd and arsenal need to buy to strenthen their teams.

greylag


Joined: 08/04/2009
Posts: 1110

Message Posted:
26/04/2011 20:12

Clayton,

United need to strengthen their midfield A.S.A.P.



Grey.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
26/04/2011 20:46

uniteds midfield is ok , its only injuries that make it look bad , when the squad is fully fit ,theres not many teams that will cope with them imho , the league could have should have been won weeks ago , the gunners have imploded , not enough merson , adams, wright , these guys were never say die , forget the fancy football , they would have ran thru a brick wall to get the points ?

clayton


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 1143

Message Posted:
26/04/2011 21:48

grey

sneider,s the one for me.got to off load some of the players,scholesey hate to say it.obertan,bebe,gibson,o,shea,carrick,berbatov.

bring back the kids who are on loan.giggs one or two seasons more,just like fergie.mouriniho takes over ronaldo returns.i think by this time new owners will be in.if utd win the prem the glaziers will get one more season to rape the club at the most.i think its just a matter of time,before they sell.

magicart


Joined: 05/10/2008
Posts: 985

Message Posted:
27/04/2011 08:18

Hi Airpointer.



£50 (to charity)says Birmingham will stay up this season!!



Bet on?



Art

essexdan


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 70

Message Posted:
27/04/2011 13:14

As an Arsenal fan I agree that Wenger must go.



He has never replaced the spine of the team, who replaced Seaman- Adams/Keown - Viera/Petit & Henry ....

He has bought some horror centre backs over the years, senderos, stepanovs etc ... Man U & Chelsea dont have suffer such fools in the heart of the defence ... thats the difference and lost points cost titles.



Van Persie can never stay fit and Chamakh & Bendtner are an insult to the club, cant help but smile when they come as subs like the opposing manager is supposed to feel threatened, not quite in the Drogba or Berbatov league.



I personally think that if we come 2/3 then we have over achieved with the current squad.



New idea's needed .....asap

Hoylemiller



Joined: 03/09/2010
Posts: 240

Message Posted:
27/04/2011 14:05

Arsenal can have few complaints having mastered the art of snatching draws or defeats from the jaws of victory in a manner that has exasperated even Wengers' staunchest supporters.

Kevin Costner choked less in Tin Cup."

professoregit


Joined: 30/08/2008
Posts: 381

Message Posted:
27/04/2011 16:45

The emirates is paid for. No debt to speak of unlike most of the other big spending contenders. He's done what the board have asked and kept the belt tight whilst qualifying for Champions League and building a team for the future. Unfortunately 6 years is beginning to rock even the most diehard Wenger fan. The current team is too green and inexperienced, and requires a good shot of leadership and maturity for it to function consistently. I suspect they will be spending bigtime over the summer period in readyness for the new season,

I sincerely hope so. Interesting situation though as Wenger is not one to panic and will not revert to knee-jerk purchases.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
27/04/2011 18:43

i dont know where you get the stats from but since 92/93 season man utd have only been the leagues biggest spenders 4 times ,spending £170m , in this time they have won the title 10 times , not a bad return when you look at what shity and chelski have spent and achieved .

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
27/04/2011 20:00

LaptaGeezer, put your pilot out, will ya. In true arsenal fashion, w e s h a l l s e e. Who ever wishes to leave, good luck to them. So long as Wenger stays, we'll be fine. The rich boys are bound to get bored sooner or later. We shall inherit the crown............................ soonish.

professoregit


Joined: 30/08/2008
Posts: 381

Message Posted:
27/04/2011 21:44

Firstly, I did not specifically refer to Man U and can't recall mentioning figures. However, The United takeover was highly leveraged, i.e. bought on borrowed money and that debt is still there. Maybe the biggest earning club in the world but also most probably a bubble waiting to burst given the current financial climate. Arsenal probably lead the premiership when it comes to the sleep patterns of their board, financiers and private shareholders, at the displeasure of the fans, me being one of them. And as I said, they are most likely to start spending given the recent trophy drought. Lets hope so.