What has this to do with Greece?

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 10:08

http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=72977

Carndi


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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 10:46

Nations that have a modicun of civilization about them do not use children as policital pawns.

Shame on those in Greece who made this decision.

The Greek children are being taught to hate when they should be taught to embrace others.

stilluvithere



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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 11:53

and the UN still expect a solution, I don't think so

brother



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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 13:25

I read the article in the link.

I have to say, I was sceptical when I heard my late father's answer when asked, whether in his opinion the Cyprus problem would ever be solved. He said "Not in my lifetime".

Well, most of his life was spent in the troubles. I'm now in my 50's, I really do not want to give the same answer to my own children.

Such reports as in the given article, should show all those who insist on TR's "wrongdoing" that there is institutionalised hate being preferred by the Greeks, who appear to actually like the idea of passing on the message of "no hope" to their children.



A shame. Not only because it is shameful but because such hate generation eminates from a country that defined civilisation in the West.

cavalryman


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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 13:34

Keep it up Greece show us all what you stand for very unstatesman like they will never learn

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 13:52

What amazes me is what Greece thinks this has to do with them. It was the Greek junta that tried to overthrow Makarios and opened the door for Turkey to walk in. Have they been trying to make up for this treachery to the Greek Cypriots ever since?

erolz


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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 14:05

Was the RoC invited to these games ? If it was not, was the reason why it was not a political one, that Turkey does not recognise the legtimacy of the current RoC government ? I do not know the answers to these questions, but if it was the case that the RoC was not invited because of political reasons then the orgnaisers would seem to me to be throwing stones whilst living in a glass house.

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 14:17

msg 7 poses a good question.

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 14:31

Good question.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 14:41

Msg 7 well balanced point

ianwfs


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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 18:08

Searching the web, it would appear that RoC children were not invited as the state is not recognised by Turkey. Hardly surprising, then that Greece withdrew in protest. Will these politicians never learn?

vonny


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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 19:32

Accordıng to the newspapers.RoC were ınvıted to joın the games but they declıned.

greylag


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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 20:06

Re-mess 12,which newspapers say that Southern Cyprus where invited,

Grey

Zoots


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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 20:10

Greece and Turkey have good diplomatic relations and both want a solution to the Cyprus problem. There's no point in exaggerating the significance of this minor event when there are more important issues to be resolved in Cyprus.

vonny


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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 20:16

ıt was kıbrıs newspaper.page 54.The greeks demanded that northern cyprus to be excluded from the games.The game organısers refused so then greece pulled out. Roc was ınvıted but never attended.

greylag


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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 20:18

Zoots,



Agree with Greece and Turkey,having good diplomatic relations.But dont you think that the bad

publicity that comes with this particular topic,just goes to show that both sides can still behave like

naughty children in the school playground.What sort of message does it send out to the rest of the

world,if anyone is still listening,



Grey.

Zoots


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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 20:33

Grey,

I don't really look at it that way. Greco-Turkish relations are now grown up but both sides in Cyprus still squabble like children - and nasty, nationalistic ones at that. Greece and Turkey used to be as bad, and nearly went to war in 1996, but are fine now.

The big stick needs to be brought to bear on the leadership in Cyprus on both sides. They have an exaggerated idea of their own importance but are tying up resources. There are fewer idiots talking about "motherlands" these days but still one or two. Ironically the former motherlands now enjoying a love-in are largely responsible for today's situation.

erolz


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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 20:51

But Zoots I thought, according to you

"These people [Turkish officals] aren't to be trusted. They are crude and vulgar bullies don't have the mentality of those from Western democracies."

So Turkey has 'grown up' in terms of diplomatic relations with countires like Greece yet its officals are crude and vulgar bullies that don't have the mentality of those from western democracies and are not to be trusted. Strange contrast there it seems to me.

greylag


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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 20:55

Why is it that such a small area,namely Southern Cyprus,can exert so much power.So much that they manage to veto major decisisions on the "Cyprob"



Grey.

Zoots


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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 21:42

erolz,

The comment you quoted actually referred to thuggish Turkish officials in north Cyprus who have been abusing "misunderstood" has, but it just goes to show that crude and vulgar bullies can get on elsewhere, doesn't it?

Zoots


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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 21:45

Grey Msg 19,

Because rightly or wrongly the RoC was admitted into the EU before a settlement on the island and as a result not only represents the whole of the island legally and politically but can also wield influence against Turkey (which for the record has no valid excuse for maintaining a massive troop presence here).

erolz


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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 21:54

So what are you saying zoots, these Turkish officals are thuggish crude and vulgar bullies that don't have the mentaility of western democracies and are not to be trusted when they are posted in the TRNC but when they are in Turkey, before and after such postings, they are part of a Turkey that has 'grown up' and has good diplomatic relations with Greece ? Is this what you are saying ?

GinaC


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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 22:14

Oh come on Zoots and Erolz, in one form or another, my husband and I have heard the same phrases used on forums for almost a decade now. You both know who each other is cyberwise, stop this pussyfooting around and drop the act. Erolz is Erolz and in my opinion presents a normally balanced and unbiased version of events but being married to a TC perhaps I am biased . Zoots comes in many forms, Private Pike, EricSeans and many other ID's on here.

Turtle


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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 22:55

He is sooooo predictable

erolz


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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 22:59

GinaC I agree that the chance that zoots is indeed the poster know on here and many other fora under many other previous names including those you mention is extremely high. I can not know for absolute certain but it is almost certainly the case on a balance of probabilities. I have myself suspected this before your post above. However I post and have been posting on such fora as you say for almost 10 years now and always with the same single username of erolz (real name erol ziya) and I treat each new potential identity of 'Eric Seans' on its 'merits' or lack of them. Really it makes no difference to me if zoots is the same indivdual person as eric seans, private Pike, Scaramanga and all the other names. The agenda and tactics are clearly the same and I do what I can to counter them the same as I have always done.

Zoots


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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 23:21

Erolz,

It's not that hard to take in. The Turkish officials sent to or in office north Cyprus behave like thuggish bullies because they CAN. They are unaccountable to the Turkish Cypriots (and you ;) ) because Turkey controls Cyprus. So when they are dealing with frail British pensioners like Polly Marples/Misunderstood - who as scam victims only ask for a fair hearing and the right to free expression - they don't have to even start thinking about Western democratic values. They are bullies backed up by the Turkish Army.

Surely you would recognise the reality if you had joined all those thousands of Turkish Cypriots demonstrating against Turkey? But then maybe your heart is with Turkey rather than the Cypriots.

brother



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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 23:41

I have to respond to the thread creep as it has (again) skillfully been twisted by those who do not want to acknowledge the basic tragedy of the topic.



This is to do with the unashamed will of the Greek authorities to taint their children's perception of the world.



Remember, dear casual reader, all of this stems from the Greek's attempt at enosis (union of Cyprus with Greece) in 1974. Any reference to thugs in the form of TR authorities need to be viewed in the context of Greeks in "glass houses" throwing stones.



We need to be vigilant with the smoke and mirrors that will be brought into play by the GC sympathisers every time a discussion focuses on the plight of TCs.

erolz


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Message Posted:
26/04/2011 23:48

So basically Zoots you are saying they are thuggish bullies in the TRNC with no concern with western democratic values but have 'grown up' when they act in Turkey.

The demonstrations in the North are opposing austerity measures being imposed by Turkey. To descibe them as being 'against Turkey' is just the kind propaganda you speciliase in and leads me and apparently others to link you the many aliases used by Campbell Thomas over the years (eric seans , private pete etc etc). You know as well I as I do that if Turkey was to say tomorrow, ok the austerity measured are to be scrapped you would have trouble getting more than 500 people to a demonstration in the TRNC 'against Turkey'. Campbell Thomas lists as one of his interests on the website linkedin.com as being 'information warfare'. Your posts here are totaly consistent with such an interest, as is the consistent use of multiple alias over many years to push a specific agenda as far as I am concerned.

Zoots


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Message Posted:
27/04/2011 00:16

No Erolz. What I've said is that they are thuggish bullies in north Cyprus where they can treat people as they please and more civilised back home in Turkey where they are accountable to their government.

And this is a commonly held view among Turkish Cypriots and others with a hold on what's happening in Cyprus. People have had enough of being shafted in northern Cyprus with impunity.

As for the rest of your post, a somewhat paranoid take on things. Remember that human rights include freedom of thought and expression, no matter how much some people with vested interests would like to silence all dissent!

erolz


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Message Posted:
27/04/2011 00:50

The idea that Turkish officals are not accountable to their Government when in TRNC but they are when they are in Turkey is just typical nonsense I expect from you.

A standard techique of those wishing to push their own agendas and one constanly used by the many Campbell Thomas aliases over the years it to present their views as those of 'the people' when in fact they speak for one other than themselves.

I am not parnoid and I have no interest in silence anyone be they dissenters or specialists in 'psychological operations and information warfare' as Campbell Thomas lists his interests.

I am pointing out the fact that Campbell Thomas is known to have used multiple aliases over many years on many fora to push a specific GC biased agenda. That he is professionaly interested in 'information warfare' and making the clear connection between the posts made by the previous aliases used by him and your own, in technique, agenda and language.

[cont]

erolz


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Message Posted:
27/04/2011 01:10

Campbell Thomas has repeatedly used the same techniques, all of which could be considered a form of 'information warfare' for many years now on many many fora to push a pro GC / RoC anti TC / TRNC agenda. The use of multiple aliases. The drip drip of distorting perspectives, like presenting the recent demonstrations in the TRNC as being about TC wanting Turkey out of Cyprus when in fact they are about the austerity measures Turkey is trying to impose. The demanding of evidence for claims from people and then disaperance if such evidence is provided as seen in the http://www.Cyprus-Forum.com thread. The casually thrown in personal attacks aimed a indivduals credibility, also seen in same thread (msg 20 "Maybe she was under the influence...) and seen in this thread ("But then maybe your heart...".) complete with 'smileys'. The constant use of phrases like 'what the TC people want', as if you have some superior knowledge and understanding and right to talk in such terms.

[cont]

erolz


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Message Posted:
27/04/2011 01:14

These are all techniques and behaviours that are totaly consistent with someone with an agenda of 'creating impressions' with a specific bias and which the many aliases used over the years by Campbell Thomas in the past has used over and over again in ever new idendtities to push his pro GC / RoC anti TC / TRNC ? Turkey agenda. This kind of behaviour is an enemy of truth and indeed seeks specically to be an enemy of truth.

As I say I can not know absolutely that you are Cambell Thomas, the same poster previous and variously known as Eric Seans, Scaramanga, Private Pte and a host of others. I do know that your behaviour, posting style and appreantly agenda is exactly the same as the previous incarnations of Mr Thomas, and I am as free to say so as you are to play your information warfare games.

Zoots


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Message Posted:
27/04/2011 01:31

Oh dear, Erolz. Multiple posts trying to smear someone by naming persons on the internet? Some legal issues there. It looks like a cowardly personal attack and an attempt to gag freedom of speech.

In an effort to cover up the lies and corruption in north Cyprus you try and belittle members exposing the wrongdoing. A paranoid attempt (i.e. calling a Brit like me pro-Greek) which is doomed to failure since people are now speaking up against the bullies in the TRNC.

But above all else, don't you think you have rather little useful to do?

erolz


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Message Posted:
27/04/2011 01:58

I am not trying to smear you. I am pointing out facts. It is fact that Cambell Thomas has a long history of using multiple aliases over many years and on many fora to push a pro GC anti TC agenda. It is a fact that he lists 'information warfare' as a professional interest. It is a fact that your post here as 'Zoots' match his under these many previous aliases in style , content, technique and agenda.

If there are any legal issues then please feel free to pursue them. I stand openly, under my own name, by what I have said and will do so in any jusrisdiction you like, here or in the UK.

My 'attack' is not cowardly. It is pointing out clear and obvious facts. What is a cowardly attack would be things like 'maybe she is drunk' and 'maybe you care more about Turkey than Cyprus' or the countless other 'maybes' you have made from behind a fictious name, probably just yet one more of a series of such covers.

[cont]

erolz


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Message Posted:
27/04/2011 01:59

No where have I tried to cover up the lies and corruption in north Cyprus nor have I ever belittled another member for exposing wrongdoings in the TRNC. I Have over 10,000 posts on this forum, cyprus-forum.com, talk-cyprus.org and others, all under the same user name I might add. Can you find a SINGLE one to back up your accusations ? No of course you can't, for you are in the business of 'creating impressions' and reality has no role in such an objective. Clearly you would like to create an impression of me as a parnoid coward with a personal vendetta. However my thousands of posts speak otherwise, just as yours speak as clearly about you and what you are really about, as mine do about me, as far as I am concerned.

lovinit


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Message Posted:
27/04/2011 08:36

why dont you go play in the garden boys and let us all have some peace its soooooooo boring!!!!

lovinit


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Message Posted:
27/04/2011 08:41

why dont you go play in the garden boys and let us all have some peace its soooooooo boring!!!!