Talat

newlad



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Message Posted:
16/10/2008 21:54

Taken today from Hot news Turkey.com



"any settlement that would re-unify the ethnically divided Cyprus should guarantee political equality between the two communities"Mehmet Talat said today.



Any settlement.Sounds a little wishy washy to me.And should guarantee political equality.Sounds like Mehmet Talat now has both hands and feet tied behind his back.What do forum members think,

Paul.

cooper


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Message Posted:
16/10/2008 22:01

David blaine would struggle to get out of that one !

Turtle


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Message Posted:
16/10/2008 22:07

I believe they have been talking for over a month now , do we know if they have agreed on anything or made any real progress ?

no1doyen


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Message Posted:
16/10/2008 23:37

Can't find any links for information.

goonerstan



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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 05:59

Suzanne, have you got indigestion you keep repeating yourself,

fire starter


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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 09:35

have they not been saying this all along?



it seems fair to me.

Bob / Anne


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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 09:54

Read in the local paper over there. that 7 out of 21 issues have now been agreed on between the 2 parties, Also the meetings are now weekly, so lets hope that they resolve the remaining 14 issues ASAP.



Anne & Bob.

fire starter


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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 10:26

so it sounds like they are half way there.

that can only be a good thing for all cypriots.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 11:08

Can anyone explain what the 21 issues were?

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 11:34

Hi Paul



That's a very interesting term 'ethnically divided'. I presume his audience was Turkish nationals so may have made this staement to please them.



I see Avci the Deputy Prime Minister has asked Christofias to not to refer to Talat as his chum. Avci said that Talat is not the man that Christofias knew back in the 80's. Talat may share his aspirations (I presume communist ideals ) but Talat now has to be a practical man.



At the same time the Turkish minister of state has said that the TRNC has to stand on it's own two feet financially



Hi Bill



I don't know what the 21 are. I did read that one of these 21 was maritime i.e. who owns the seas. I think the issue here is the oil which is supposedly off the south coast. I wonder if Turkey has anything to say on that

newlad



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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 19:55

Mark,

I would imagine that Turkey will have a massive input re-oil.And also they have another trump card which is water,

Paul.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 20:01

Hi Paul



If Turkey wants a slice of the oil (if it indeed exists) then being a 'guarantor' for the TC's wont be enough for it. Turkey will want to have some governance over the island. Will Turkey leave the Cypriots to share the riches?

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 20:10

Paul,



Chill man,



This is negotiation. Turkey has the biggest ace up their sleeves,



They have 45000 troops on the Island that the GCs are desperate to get rid of. They will go nowhere until Turkey gets what it wants.



The GCs are being put under pressure to arrive at an amicable settlement.



Projects paid for by the EEC (solar farms) Direct flights from Italy? THE INTERNATIONAL



COMMUNITY DOES NOT RECOGNISE THE TRNC.......!!!!!!!!



Chill........Just let the big boys negotiate. ( Its already agreed anyway)



Just my view, thats all,



wyn

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 20:14

what do you think Turkey wants Wyn?

newlad



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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 20:32

Wyn,

This is me totally chilled out after a very un-chilled week at work.Dont forget that they (turkey)may also have another option of joining the arabic league of countries.Such a powerful country with so many options but which way will they jump,

Paul.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 20:36

ILC,



Good question. I really don't know! Security for their people ! Mineral rescources (the



usual reason) Security? A negotiating chip for entry to the EC?



Cyprus is strategically vital in the area, and as such a hell of a negotiating ploy!



Who knows what is in the minds of their leaders!



Time will tell! I do believe that these negotiations are a done deal, but there are others



better qualified to express an opinion than I. (Pikey...back in your cage)



wyn

newlad



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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 20:41

I think that the 45,000 troops could end up being the biggest stumbling block for the talks.If they withdrew wouldnt they need to be found other employment.Thats a lot of jobs,

Paul.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 20:53

Paul,



Thats the Ace!



Redeployment no problem. Enough issues on their northern borders.



wyn

Hector


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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 21:06

NC would be the loser ıf Turkey withdrew the majority of their troops. Think of the support jobs that would be lost. On the other hand think of the land that could be freed up. The Turkish army will never leave NC completely, far too strategically important, NATO wouldn't let them anyway and the US wouldn't be happy either.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 21:15

Paul,



I have told you before. The worlds last VAST pool of mineral wealth is The Caspian Basin.



Now we have had the invasion of Iraq and now Afghanistan. We have had the break up of



The USSR casting adrift the Countries around The Caspian Basin . Uncle Sam is giving them



missiles protecting them from The Russian Bear?. The USA have started an argument with



Iran. Weapons of mass destruction? Only a matter of time!



The Turkish Army, one of the most efficient and best equipped, in the region, will be



required as a buffer between East and West. A pipeline for Caspian Bowl oil to the west is



vital. Throw in an airport in The Karpaz that can handle B52 bombers, and Bobs your uncle.



Just take a look at Google Earth!



Advisors to the American Government, told them this was the way forward 30 years ago.



I think what we see on the Cyprus Problem, is a done deal. Even Obahma in his comments



on the Greeks, seeks an amicable settlement with proper protection

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 21:21

for Turkish interests.



It was a game plan devised 30 years ago, and it was agreed at that time.



International politics moves in mysterious ways, but it was a carefully thought out plan, and



Cyprus was nothing more than a pawn!



Now this is just my thoughts, nothing more!



wyn

paul90


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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 21:29

Wyn - that is the most coherent reasoning I have heard from you in a while.

Have you been reading "The Cyprus Conspiracy" by Bredan O'Malley and Ian Craig??

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 21:37

whatever the outcome is ,and i do not hold out for any ,one thing i do know turkish troops will never leave ,reduce yes and this my friends is not acceptable to the greeks.

they have expressed in the last few days that a reduction may work ,but thats

just politics,greek politics.

some issues have been agreed on by the parties,but this is a very small step ,

only last night on brt denktas was having a go at talat for being too chummy

and agreeing to things without proper consultation.

these two politicians alone cannot find a solution,there is many a winding road

ahead ,maybe you could say 21 of them and i can see at least 6 dead ands .

however i personally cannot see the kktc isolated for many more years whatever the outcome.

musin

long live the kktc

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 21:47

Paul90.



I posted these views some months ago. The advisor to The American Government was Zibnew Brezinski (National Security Advisor to American Presidents) It was written up in his book



The Grand Chessgame.



I have always maintained The Cyprus Problem, was a done deal and urged that people were not anxious .Perhaps sometime a little levity. I have no desire to bore people to death.



I have not read the Book that you suggest, The Cyprus Conspiracy, but I will do so.



Keep the faith,



wyn

paul90


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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 21:51

I remember "Bob" very well from his Carter days.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 22:00

msge 22



very interesting Wyn



Just read that the oil in the Capsian basin is worth 12 trillion. In 1998 Dick Cheney commented that "I can't think of a time when we've had a region emerge as suddenly to become as strategically significant as the Caspian."



Much controversy currently exists over the proposed Trans-Caspian oil and gas pipelines. These projects would allow western markets easier access to Kazakh oil, and potentially Uzbek and Turkmen gas as well. The United States has given its support for the pipelines. Russia officially opposes the project on environmental grounds. Analysts note that the pipelines would bypass Russia completely, thereby denying the country valuable transit fees, as well as destroying its current monopoly on westward-bound hydrocarbon exports from the region. [20] Recently both Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan have expressed their support for the Trans-Caspian Pipeline



Turkey earns 300 million a year from eisting oil pipeline

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 22:01

Turkey earns 300 million per year from the existing oil pipeline

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 22:06

msge 25



hi musin



what do you think Turkeys goal is for cyprus mate?

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 22:23

ILC Good info...thank you!



Do you think, in your heart of hearts that a settlement to The Cyprus Problem, is a done deal?



wyn

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 22:33

Hi Wyn



I am not sure. There is a good chance that it is. I have found it perplexing that the West is so hell bent on reunifying the two sides.

Coachie



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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 22:56

wyn ..Dont know a lot about the political situation in Cyprus but I would have thought they would have sorted it out by now 30oddyears down the road unless as you say its adone deal already and what we are seeing is aform of charades to make itlook genuine when they do sort it .Mind you took30 years for us to sort out Northern Island situation!!!!!

newlad



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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 23:03

Wyn,

Great posts matey you have excelled this evening and deserve to have a rub down with a daily mail.Turkey really are a big player in the whole affair and are being courted by the various parties for obvious reasons.Is there an actual time limit on them officialy joining the eu,

Paul.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
17/10/2008 23:44

Paul,



I can't think that there is a time limit on joining the EU.It was stated that it would take ten years though.



Politically speaking, its all down to The Black Pudding. Must send Mr Talat a ring!



Have a geed weekend or a weak goodend!



Cheers,



Wyn

ataturk


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Message Posted:
18/10/2008

Firestarter has indicated that we are halfway there. That is looking at is optimistically, however it also means that we are halfway not there. The half we are not there with is troops, the land issue and the removal of turkish immigrants.



So in theory we are no nearer a solution than when we first started.

newlad



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Message Posted:
18/10/2008 00:10

ataturk,

Would that be firststarted or firestarted lol.Seriously though what is wrong with looking at it optimistically.I am sure we all no that there is a long way to go the words ottaman empire spring to mind.But at least the talking carries on,

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
23/10/2008 22:20

Just as a matter of interest when do the talks resume or have they just faded away,

Paul.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
23/10/2008 22:23

newlad,



Oh yea of little faith!



wyn

karakum5c



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Message Posted:
23/10/2008 23:55

A united Ireland,A united Korea,A united Cyprus to name but a few.Will it happen probably not in my lifetime---Why rock the boat when no ones getting hurt, thats the way the powers that be see it.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 00:01

Karakum5c,



How about Taiwan (or Formosa, dependant on your sensibilities)



USA and UK trade with them extensively! aka recognise.



Just my view, thats all!



wyn

karakum5c



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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 00:25

WYN---China are replacing USA as the worlds number one superpower, unfortunately no one has told the american public yet. Travelled through China 18 years ago visiting many factories and was surprised by the the number of business men from Taiwan involved, especially if you were to believe all rhetoric from Beijing at the time.China always plays the long game and having Taiwan as it is suits them right down to the ground, everybody knows it so trade continues.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 00:39

Karakum5c,



Thats an interesting take on the situation. Is that why China and The USA keep playing war games in The South China Seas?



wyn

karakum5c



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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 00:48

Wyn---China could destroy Tiawan tomorrow if it wanted without firing a shot it has the economic muscle.Military war games by China and America are all about who is now the worlds number one superpower not about Tiawan

Aussie


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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 01:39

Even if they never agree on a settlement I don't see why they shoudn't be able to agree on limiting the number of troops on each side to a much smaller number than at present (say 5-10,000 troops each).



In reality have say 50,000 plus soldiers on each side in practical terms means nothing. Even if either side was inclined to be belligerent the absolute numbers here wouldnt be significant'in a strategic sense.



The ROC wouldn't dare to invade the TRNC given the short time it would take Turkey to send reinforcements and achieve total air superiority (Like what happened to Georgia).



In reverse If Turkey/ TRNC decided to attack presumably it would have planned it before and easily devote substantial enough resources from the mainland to break through regardless. The ROC really would be relying on the international community for diplomatic and / or military support more than its army.



Both sides could save a lot of money and avoid the need to maintain mass conscription.



Au

newlad



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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 22:52

Wyn,

Message 39. No not at all just totally disillusioned with the distinct lack of coverage regarding the situation,

Regards,

Paul.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 23:00

karakum5c,



I am sorry but I disgree. It is all about Taiwan. America has guaranteed its independance.



America at present is the worlds superpower.



wyn

PtePike



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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 23:07

karakum5c: "Why rock the boat when no ones getting hurt, thats the way the powers that be see it."



It's also the way some people see it when buying certain categories of property.

karakum5c



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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 23:14

Wyn---If America is still the worlds super power they need Turkey on side for their WAR ON TERROR. Who does any President of the USA need most if given a choice GREECE or TURKEY. This puts the TRNC in a very strong position for the long term and the Greeks belief of a mass return a distant pipe dream

newlad



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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 23:14

Pikey,

Keep em coming matey every one a winner,

Paul.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 23:21

Sad!



wyn

karakum5c



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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 23:29

Pike---At 21.01 on the thread "police confiscate cypriots winnings" you said to me "I REFUSE TO HAVE A BATTLE OF WITS WITH AN UNARMED MAN" in reply to me .......Why follow me on to this thread at 21.07 and do just that ?

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 23:32

karakum5c,



Pike does it all the time. He won't let people post in peace!



wyn

newlad



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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 23:33

Wyn,

"sad", you never dont let him get you down he is bating you,rise above my friend unleash the verbal artillery.

Paul.