Help to save the NHS

hodgeliz


Joined: 16/10/2010
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
11/05/2011 00:45

Have a look at this:



http://www.38degrees.org.uk/NHS-petition



I’ve just signed a petition to Save the NHS. Right now the government is rushing through plans which experts, and groups representing doctors and nurses, warn could break the NHS up and hand control to private health companies. It's also a huge waste of money at a time when funding is already squeezed with beds and wards being cut.

If you care please sign the petition

kittyfun


Joined: 11/04/2011
Posts: 181

Message Posted:
11/05/2011 01:38

thanks for the post liz will do it now

Cath

ballymurphy


Joined: 20/09/2009
Posts: 166

Message Posted:
11/05/2011 08:03

Well done Liz a very worthy cause, if this goes through it will be the end of the NHS as we know it and US medical service suppliers are going to get even richer paid by our taxes.

Go on line and sign the petition, you know it makes sense.

BM

kavenkoy


Joined: 10/04/2008
Posts: 1787

Message Posted:
11/05/2011 08:48

The nhs neds reform in lots of areas .

its a great idea ,thats become a massive drain and expense to the tax payer.



now before you shoot me think about the mass money thats been wasted ,and the management thts top heavy.



i pay bupa in addition to taxes and NI ,just to get some level of service.

so paying twice isnt good either,



if governemnt wants to invest in nhs ,which it should ...it has to tackle immigration and benefit fiddlers first ..then nhs will get funding



kav

hodgeliz


Joined: 16/10/2010
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
11/05/2011 09:53

BTTT

thanks for signing it

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
11/05/2011 17:21

Would that be the NHS that ex pats are not entitled to make use of?



Only asking.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
11/05/2011 17:39

Should use of the NHS be means tested?

yrret


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 761

Message Posted:
11/05/2011 17:40

That's the one newscoop, the one that you can contribute to for decades, and then not be allowed to use, whilst illegal immigrants can arrive with no visa etc, and get immediate access too.



They should start by denying any access to anyone who shouldn't be using it, irrespective of the consequences, or give them to option to pay, full cost up front.



Access the hundreds of thousands of pen pushers to see if they actually still have a heart beat, and sack most of them to free up millions of pounds for those that actually achieve something and provide a first class service.



Set targets for 'head in the cloud' consultants who cancel clinics on a whim, and deduct full costs (hospitals and patients) from them when they do.



To be honest, the system, like all Gov run fiasco's is pilfered by so many that it probably needs to be closed and started again.



Look to the BT model, lost millions as a Gov run operation, then privatised and made £60 a second in it's hey-day.

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
11/05/2011 17:50

The N.H.S.is out of control.It is akin to a large company i worked for before retirement .Before we embraced new technology and computerisation,we had a machineroom overseer an 3 deputies to run the job. Comes new tech.we had a manager of some title or another to every 3 workers, making the place top heavy managementwise. This is exactly the same with the N.H.S.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
11/05/2011 18:01

the nhs i one of the few entities actually worse than the trnc........



what ever happens i think it would be harder for it to get worse..............

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
11/05/2011 18:33

Msg 10, out of 5000 plus posts, probably the first sensible coherent one you have made.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
11/05/2011 18:42

nn

have we had a bad experience with it then?

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
11/05/2011 18:52

mess 11 - nick nack padywack - for once my point got home..............





mess 12 - thankfully not.............

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
11/05/2011 19:07

The NHS is overstaffed at the Management Level ,as all that counts are Stat's ....I know someone who waited two years for an Operation,which if he had been in BUPA for example would have taken 2 weeks.....The ageing population has outgrown the NHS's capabilities...........And is "Abused" by many ....I really think it was a "Great" Post War idea that has run it's useful course.. Where I come from you pay to see the Doc,and if you are referred for hospital care that is FREE .......A much better system In my opinion.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
11/05/2011 19:14

martin

where do you come from?

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
11/05/2011 19:19

The Management are not going to get rid of themselves are they, to get at the Government for suggesting they are over staffed they are closing wards and finishing nurses to make the public believe it is the Governments fault. Same with some local government (mainly Labour run councils)cutting first line services instead of getting rid of Managers who don't have a job.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
11/05/2011 19:20

msg15 I have a profile

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
11/05/2011 19:22

Re : Msg 1,



Absolutely nothing to save! The most shambolic and ineffective system in the whole developed world.

The sooner UK introduces European-style system the better.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
11/05/2011 19:23

Woodspeckie....That's my point ,it's Not working as it should....Throwing Management at a job never solved anything...

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 12:07

msge 1



Sorry hodgeliz, you certainly wont get me signing this petition.



Why do people think that private companies are a threat to the NHS. The NHS already pays billions of pounds to private companies in return for services.



Increasing medical inflation and an elderly population equals unsustainability of the NHS in its present form.



I think Lansleys recommendations seem sound, but it will never work unfortunately, because too many people in the NHS wont support his change. It doesn't help that Nick Clegg has decided that the best way to toughen up is to backtrack on the NHS reforms. Remember he previously said that the NHS reforms were the most exciting thing that was happening within coalition policy.



As the great British system thinker Professor Stafford Beer once pointed out 'The only thing you can do with truly dysfunctional systems is to blow them up and start again'



Robust and embedded systems have only one response which is to push back against change.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 12:18

Since I am not entitled to access to the NHS, I am struggling to see why I should support the petition.

nostradamus


Joined: 15/04/2008
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 12:37

When I lived in the UK, we had to have private medical cover because the NHS was absolutely diabolical in our area. The whole shambolic enterprise needs a root and branch overhaul which no political party has the will to do apparently. It is treated as some kind of sacred cow which can never be touched and seems to be run for the benefit of the staff not the patients. Medically, the UK has poorer outcomes for many diseases - like cancer - than other northern european countries in spite of the money being thrown at the NHS. I don't know what the current figures are but, a few years ago, the NHS was costing more than forty pounds a week for every person in the UK. For that price you could get full cover medical insurance and use high quality private hospitals - certainly in our area - with on time appointments and treatment to suit the patients and not the staff. Sorry, I wouldn't sign anything that encourages the present system to continue.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 12:46

msge 22



"seems to be run for the benefit of the staff not the patients. Medically, the UK has poorer outcomes for many diseases - like cancer - than other northern european countries"



spot on

kavenkoy


Joined: 10/04/2008
Posts: 1787

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 13:35

Just a small example of current NHS .It took me 5days to get appointment to see gp for routine examination re hernia.Gp refeered me that night ,i went home and rang my bupa at 5pm ,they had appointment fixed up at 9.30 the next morning to see consultant .

I picked my date and booked in and had the op done this monday .

showed my room monday at 8.30 am ,nurse ,annesatist and consultant all chatted before the op and was down in theatre at 11am ,back in bed watching tv at 12.30 ...home at 8pm



sadly that is why i have all my brood in bupa ,yet pay like you guys twice over ....get off a plane from islamabd with dodgy knee and its a house for free, a doctors appointment and a D.L.A with nice car all on the uk tax payer



kav

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 13:45

kav, message 24.



And, of course, don't worry if you can't speak English - a translator will be provided free of charge

kavenkoy


Joined: 10/04/2008
Posts: 1787

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 18:18

25

the translators are in fact immigrants that have stayed ,lol



you got it



kav