Three year syndrome - when expats get bored

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
11/05/2011 22:42

Interesting article in the Daily Telegraph today. One point that caught my eye, was the invitation to start a blog on My Telegraph. Anyone want to tell the world their experiences in North Cyprus?



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatlife/8495758/Three-Year-Syndrome-when-expats-get-bored.html

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
11/05/2011 22:46

Hector in my experince its about 5 years, to come enjoy the honeymoon period, apply for residency get a car , find out the charges, then the interest goes down and down, the charges for elecrtic petrol water etc goes up. We lost most of our good customers as they all went back . Tell the world if they would listen ask Pollymarples xxxxxxxxxxxx

Blackbird



Joined: 11/08/2009
Posts: 1432

Message Posted:
11/05/2011 23:34

An interesting post Hector, a subject I have talked to bar workers in countries where there is a large ex pat community. Conclusions are about the same?

wanderer


Joined: 05/02/2009
Posts: 1653

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 02:16

Good article enjoyed it and relevant but illustrates other life cycle issues

I'll give you another life example its human nature a natural clock :-

New employee career type stable industry work stays/gets past 9-12 months the next trigger point is 3 -4 years when their aspirations with the job are not met or a better offer next trigger point is 7 years once past 10 your a lifer

Industries and companies collapsing alter the dynamics but so do rising prices and collapsing interest rates or sterling are ex-pat repeating previous life experiences ?

mable


Joined: 15/04/2011
Posts: 21

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 08:29

lilli says it all

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 08:45

less in the trnc - feck all to do other than drink and lol about in the sun - mix in the being skanked every which way but loose by the locals, i say about 12 months................

yrret


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 761

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 09:01

Life, and what you do with it depends on the individual.

Many people react on a whim, without thinking things through, and are always destined to loose. A lot probably driven by the fun of spend spend for the first year or so setting up.

Many people don't plan sufficiently ahead, i.e. looked at 20%+ interest and didn't consider the consequences of it changing.

More people simply need a safety net and familiarity around them.

There are explorers and adventurers in the world, and there are people better suited to a simple safe life.

Each to there own, but for the people who couldn't handle sustained life away from the comfort blanket, at least they had a look.

Nick hates it so much here he keeps on coming back, me thinks more like the little boy who cried wolf.

dearie


Joined: 08/03/2011
Posts: 142

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 09:55

There is a saying life is what you make it - get involved - there are plenty of charities here which need our help.

Try something new - take on new challenges. Life is a learning curve. We learn about ourselves, other people and new experiences and at the end hopefully we are all the richer for it. Have a good one.

MarkVPiazza


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 530

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 10:40

I think many treat emigrating as one big long holiday



It takes three years on average to blow all their money on booze and eating in restaurants !!!

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 11:18

Its good for the local economy anyway, lots of people having a three year holiday and then selling up and moving on to make space for another lot on a three year binge! Know a lot who only came to make a killing and have a dream for free - but once here for good it is a different story and they can't wait to get away to yet another patch of grass that is greener!



If you have "moved" here because it looked like a good deal and you never thought long enough about it, then expect to move on at some point. If you came here to "live" then that is a different story and you need to join in with the local community because you are part of it - fail at that and you have been kidding yourself right from the start. Then you start to look for someone/something else to blame it all on. Sad but true in every country you go to.



Happy and here for the complete journey - grass is green where I knew it would be after all.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 11:35

We were given some good advice when we first moved over and that was to live as you would at home.We have never thought it as one long holiday. Off out four five times a week. I feel for the people who find they have ''over spent '' But they only have themselves to blame.





Spider,X

JohnDownes


Joined: 03/12/2010
Posts: 123

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 12:11

The important thing is to have a hobby to which you can devote your time and attention. This can be anything from sewing to fretwork to (in my case) playing a musical instrument. Otherwise you will just find yourself drunk by lunchtime every morning and that is definitely not the way forward.



Frankly it doesn't matter where you live for this to be true. I'm happy here on the whole, and I left the UK because the Britain of Blair and Brown had become hateful to me. And Cameron's doesn't seem an awful lot better. So, unless they throw me out I'll be here for a while yet!

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 12:35

Msg 7: "There are explorers and adventurers in the world, and there are people better suited to a simple safe life."

I couldn't agree more.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 16:16

Unfortunately, there are people here who bought thinking they would have a "safe" life.................I agree with lilli ...:(

girnegeeza


Joined: 17/05/2010
Posts: 136

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 16:53

Some of the above should spare a thought for the locals and I mean the real locals who were living an ordinary quite life enjoying Cyprus as it used to be, not the property developers/builders who just wanted to make a fast buck at anyones expense. When all the new people came the prices of everything was pushed up, mainly because most of the foreigners were prepared to pay any price that was asked of them, in fact for gardening and labouring most wanted to tip above the price asked as they felt it was too cheap, a previously unheard of practise here. Now that some have enjoyed there extended holidays and drunk and smoked themselves silly they can go back and pick up where they left off, leaving behind the increased cost of living that they fuelled with there recklessness.

Well that how I see it. Why come to a country only to spoilt it and then move on to pastures new looking for another place to do the same, and each time complain about being ripped off by the locals.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 17:34

msg15... last paragraph...."Why come to a country only to spoil it"



I think that has been the way of things throughout "Human" history....:(

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 17:58

Well ive been here for 3 years now and no way id go back to the uk,many people came here and probably for the first time in their life splashed their money around and lived the high life,now the money is running out ,they are finding it hard,many of you also seem to think the cost of living is cheaper in the uk,i dont think so,i was speaking to my son who lives just outside london,council tax-£120pm,water & sewage £52pm, on top of that,electric,gas,phone, Food and clothes might be cheaper there than here but would you ever see anyone here buying a half a cucumber? and how safe did you feel there compared to here? even the schools and the hospitals in the uk are crap now,i really cant understand how people can still think the uk is great cos it isnt any more.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 18:45

Anyone thinking of starting a blog on life in North Cyprus?

Tango1


Joined: 19/02/2011
Posts: 1151

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 21:13

Who are all these people that move back after 3 or 5 years? Most of the people we know have absolutely nowhere to go back to and if they wanted to it is doubtful that they could sell their property here in order to buy in the UK again. In the area we came from the properties have not dropped at all, and we couldn't afford to buy a house of the standard that we sold to come here.



Tango1

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 21:16

Tango I doubt very much if anyone can even afford to rent in the UK now. We thought of going back to get jobs. The salaries on offer for a head chef, well you couldnt live on it. The rental prices were around 1000, to 1750 pounds per month. Your salary wouldnt even cover the rent x

Blackbird



Joined: 11/08/2009
Posts: 1432

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 21:25

Lilli...rental prices up here are half that!!! And judging from the quality if food around here, there must be many hotels/ resteraunts requiring a good chef

shrimp


Joined: 01/09/2010
Posts: 939

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 21:34

here in Devon the properties are cheaper to rent, but the salary is way below the national average........and yet petrol is more expensive and a loaf of bread the same price as else where..........

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 21:40

Stay here, you know it makes sense.

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 21:52

Msg 22 - if that is 'english' bread - fill as many as you can into 20kg baggage - get over here - go to an open market - sell the loaves - make a fortune

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 22:02

Blackie the rates I quoted was Cardiff, the salary in Jamie Olivers restaurant 25k a year xxxxx

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 22:08

25k a year for a top chef! That's appalling. Good waiters can earn more than that in a year.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 22:55

vonny (mess 17)



I just had to answer your post!



My cost of living is so much cheaper than in the TRNC! I have my own home, my family live near! I have never splashed my money around (except for the money I gave to Mr Robb to build a home in the TRNC) which disappeared into some black hole! and I feel really safe here, I broke my wrist 6 weeks ago (I fell down a step in the garden) went to A & E they were fantastic, now managing to type pretty well, drive and get on with my life for nothing!



I often buy half a cucumber because there is now only me (don't need a full one)



Please don't knock the hospitals in the UK they are so good! perhaps you should stop reading the Daily Mail! come back to the UK and see just how good the NHS is!!!!

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
12/05/2011 23:31

I am sorry you lost money with gary robb,and maybe if i was conned as you were,maybe i would hate this country too,through anger,i too broke my leg and dislocated my ankle 4 weeks ago, i was taken to the local hospital,by ambulance who saw me straight away,no charge,it was only because i needed an operation i chose to go private,not because i didnt trust them but because i didnt want to stay in a ward.my daughter in law in the uk has been in pain with gall stones for over a year,shes on a waiting list,the same with my cousin.i wonder how long you had to wait to be seen at the hospital, i dont read any newspapers from the uk,my kids still live there,id worry myself sick about them.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 00:24

trncvictim



you paint a rosy picture of the uk ,however somewhat inaccurate.





musin



long live the kktc

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 00:42

Musin



As a TC I normally admire your nationilism. I was a bit like you before I took the plunge and moved to NC 4 years ago.



In the last 6 months dozens of London Cypriots have left Cyprus for the UK and by the end of the year dozens more will be leaving.



Guess where they are going?

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 01:08

stonehousepub



i know and understand what you are saying ,however i am a realist ,i know when i left cyprus and what i loved is no longer and is a different place ,but where is ,countries move on.



those london tc,s leaving cyprus and coming back to the uk and those who have already left and are back in the uk,i say good luck to them because they will need it.



i will never give up on the kktc , even if their is just one t/c left on the island,still we are all very different

people .



musin



long live the kktc

havali


Joined: 28/05/2010
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 01:29

well said musin,i wouldnt go back to the uk even if they offered me buckingham palace, if a dozen move out of cyprus a dozen move in,and yes, long live KKTC ,it will get better and better,theres little hope for the UK with a 900 billion pound national debt ...

chriswife


Joined: 30/03/2011
Posts: 449

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 01:43

i found this thread very good reading as we are coming out to live in august and I am nervous about settling in i lived in a holiday destination and did that out 5x a week thing and it felt like a long holiday for a while then crashed. I think a balance is needed. I really hope we can find a 'community' because i think that helps also sometimes I am gulity of all or nothing thinking everythings wonderful then getting dissapointed later on so i think taking each day one step a time will be a way forward. Sometoimes on this forum there seems a lot of warning but in a sense that help us newbies not to get too carried away but then there are many of you who have been so welcoming. keep the life stories coming may help to avoid pitfalls.

flowerfairy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 10:59

Louise, we are in our 4th year living here. Our whole family made the move. Our daughter, Son in law, three year old grandson, and now we have a beautiful grandaughter.

Yes, of course, when you first arrive, everything is new. Lots to do, settling in. But still, we all love it.

My advice is... don't leave your brains on the plane. If you could't afford to do it in UK, what makes you think it's any different here?, presumably, you still have the same budget.

I wish you the best of luck.

Tango1


Joined: 19/02/2011
Posts: 1151

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 12:17

The only draw back as far as we are concerned is HEALTH. When we came here nearly 7 years ago, our comment to the rest of the family who were nervous about us moving was "what about when you need health treatment" In our case we were cocky (and I freely admit it now) and replied "we'll worry about it when the time comes" Well the time has come and we're worried. The NHS won't touch us with a barge pole and we need two Ops at £8K a time!!



Tango1

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 14:39

mess 35 - looks like you've been tango'd..................



don't they do buy one, get one free anymore ??

Jonesy299


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 367

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 17:22

If you are prepared to accept that prices and taxes are likely to match other European countries (including UK), you account for the TRNC peculiarities (ridiculously high car insurance / electricity but lower council rates etc) and can fight your corner with TRNC demands for your money (i.e. you don't become a victim and accept being ripped off) AND you have a plan in case of chronic illness or a significant change in personal circumstances the you stand to enjoy your life or retirement. These are precisely the same sensible plans and allowances you must make in UK and the same challenges faced by most of the UK population (so don't complain or be suprised when you are caught out if you don't follow sensible long term planning here!).



Different story if your savings were affected by property problems but that is for one of the many other threads...

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 18:37

mess 32 - it will get better ??



they were saying that 5 yrs ago (you know "power cuts will be a thing of the past - direct flights just round the corner - property complaints office set up - island will soon re-unite - infrastructure will be improved")..........



the place is going down the pan....



Appart from the bung off Turkey - all the trnc has is tourism and selling houses - and look what a pigs ear successive governments have made of that....



With people now moving away, few buying and tourism numbers in decline there is only one way and it ain't up.....

philnles


Joined: 11/08/2008
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 18:42

If its that bad here why did you come back ?

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 19:25

lol i think you secretly love cyprus NN,but you have to admit ,there has been vast improvements over the years,.It is a country thats unrecognised,apart from Turkey,i think its done pretty well for herself,theres still great potential for her to grow and i believe once the sanctions are lifted .she will, i know many people who want to come and live here,if only they could sell their houses in the uk,and as for most of the rip offs that have gone on here it,was from outsiders. I hope this place does'nt become little Britain cos then it will go down the pan just like Great Britain.And i do wonder about those who left their country in the first place,if you liked it so much,,you would never of left it!

madhatter


Joined: 08/06/2010
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 20:28

Vonny, All

I respect greatly all your views..we all have a different view-point and thats what life is about! IMHO! The UK and NC are worlds apart and on different scales and it isnt fare to compare them. After "surviving" here for the past 8months we are returning to the UK, not because we planned it that way but because North Cyprus just isnt (yet!) a place that can support a young, growing family! If you are an expat and have to WORK to SURVIVE this is not the place for you! We didnt look at it as a big-long-holiday..we came to work hard and put back into the community but its lack of a solid infrastructure, average education system, poor opportunities, low salaries and high living costs mean it cant give the long term security a growing family needs. The UK might have its many faults but at least you have options, coming here has only made me appreciate what I had back in the UK even more. This is a wonderful place and dont regret coming(have to try new things) but take me home!;)

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 20:32

madhatter Im sorry you feel like that but its the same for us. Im sad as I love the place its only all you have described, we have given it every chance now 7 years xxxx Good luck love in all you do and my best wishes to your family xxxx

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 20:36

madhatter,i can understand what you are saying,it is different for me,i do not work or support a young family, and i wish you and your family all the best on your return

Tango1


Joined: 19/02/2011
Posts: 1151

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 20:37

As I said before Msg 41, you obviously have somewhere back in the UK to go. There are people here (not myself I might add, expect for the health problems) who are desperate to go back but can't, as they have burned their boats.



Tango1

madhatter


Joined: 08/06/2010
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 20:39

p.s Vonny...hope you dont mind me asking! Do you work here full time just to pay your bills(without the financial support from investments or a good pension???) Do you have children to cloth and feed??....We came because we feel life is about learning and not just being a talker but a doer......Doesnt always mean you have to hate the UK so much....



Best wishes and kind regards

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 20:40

Msg 15: "When all the new people came the prices of everything was pushed up, mainly because most of the foreigners were prepared to pay any price that was asked of them, in fact for gardening and labouring most wanted to tip above the price asked as they felt it was too cheap, a previously unheard of practise here. Now that some have enjoyed there extended holidays and drunk and smoked themselves silly they can go back and pick up where they left off, leaving behind the increased cost of living that they fuelled with there recklessness."

Excellent post in a nutshell. You could have added that one fine day some plonker decided to part with their money without being given a title deed or even having permission to buy, told his mates and before long all the lemmings jumped in. God knows why anyone did that, but a fool and his money etc. It screwed it up for everyone. Avarice is a sin worthy of severe punishment, I suppose.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 20:41

The sad part is that most of the ex-pats here can't go 'home'. They sold up in the UK and put everything they had over here - for the dream. It's far too expensive now in other parts of the world.

madhatter


Joined: 08/06/2010
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 20:42

thanks Vonny...just noticed your reply. Thank you and hope you didnt mind me adding my 2pence!



Take care and best wishes

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 20:53

Msg 32: "if a dozen move out of cyprus a dozen move in"

I recognise that quote. Goodbye Turkish Cypriots and hello Turks and Kurds, you mean?.

>>The overwhelming presence of Turkish troops; the opening of the island to Turkish settlers and workers; the use of Cyprus for the Turkish black market, including drugs, gambling, prostitution and human trafficking; and the use by local politicians of ties with Turkey led many Turkish Cypriots to sour upon a power whose intervention they once desired. Turkish Cypriots unable to find work left the island, while poor Turks arrived in droves. Denktaş infamously remarked that "the ones leaving are Turks, the ones coming are Turks," suggesting it made no difference whether they were from Cyprus or Trabzon. This remark is still repeated by Turkish Cypriots with wry amusement today. The result was a rebellion against a regime whose main political tactics seemed to be bribery and threat.<<

http://www.merip.org/mer/mer235/dangerous-trend-cyprus

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 20:54

no problem madhatter,maybe if i had come here when my children were young, life might have been different for me , we retired here once our kids grew up and could take care of themselves

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 21:04

zoots ,in a way you can say the same things about the uk,black market,drugs,gambling,prostitution ect.How many foregners enter into the uk,,and why are so many brits leaving it?

madhatter


Joined: 08/06/2010
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 21:08

Lilli,





All the very best wishes to you as well...Hope everything works out for you.





Kind regards

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 21:10

Thank you we are between the devil and the deep. ggod luck to uou love xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 21:17

Vonny wrote: "zoots ,in a way you can say the same things about the uk,black market,drugs,gambling,prostitution ect. How many foregners enter into the uk,,and why are so many brits leaving it?

But the difference is in the UK there is an effective criminal justice system and an transparent legal code as opposed to the system in "TRNC", which is chaotic, inefficient and prone to corruption. I'd also challenge your comment about "so many Brits leaving":

>>The number of people leaving the UK for 12 months or more fell to 368,000 in 2009 compared with 427,000 in 2008. The drop in total emigration was due to a decrease in the numbers of British and EU citizens leaving the UK. An estimated 140,000 British citizens emigrated in 2009, the lowest number since 1999 and down from 173,000 in 2008.<<

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=260

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 21:30

zoots But do you know why the figures dropped for people leaving the uk?they cant sell their houses,They are starting to struggle,people are losing their jobs and finding it hard to find another, a lot of people would like to leave but cant,thats why the figure is lower.and as for criminal justice, the law tends to be on the criminals side and its the victims that have the hard time,

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 21:43

vonny, I know many people are struggling but I would disagree that the law tends to be on the criminals' side at the expense of the victims. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty and entitled to due legal process. In the past civil liberties were ignored or abused to a shocking extent.

The ECHR is a good thing to have enshrined in law and British standards are what attract so many people to the UK.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 22:26

zoots

you are lost in your own little world matey.



the streets of uk used to be run by the police ,now they are run by gangs ,the country used to be run by the government ,now they are run by the banks.





musin



long live the kktc

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 22:57

msg 31



Musin



I'm a realist and although the UK may not be paradise the TRNC most defnately is'nt... Have you ever asked yourself why there are so many TC's living & working abroad ? After four years I now know why...



A few weeks ago I made a list of the positives and negatives regards life in the UK and life in the TRNC.



I am so sorry to say that the TRNC negatives were much more than the UK negatives.



ozzy

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 23:06

msg 32



Havali



"if a dozen move out from cyprus a dozen move in"



When that dozen move out from Cyprus they then tell ten dozen other people the reasons why they have left so i automatically has a negative knock on effect..

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 23:07

ok ozzy , then why do so many brits choose to live in trnc ?

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 23:12

From many of the above messages it sounds like Mr Robb did me a favour Thankfully I still have my home!

No retirement for me like vonny, but most people in the UK can still sell their homes, and fortunately my job is still current! my children now have learnt to cope without their Father, as I have had to learn to live alone!



Whatever Country we live in, most of us adapt to the circumstances we happen to be in, the TRNC took what I thought was our future away without a backward glance, the greed that these leeches conducted themselves, iincluding the Lawyers,(The word Lawyer in the TRNC makes me sick) Gary Robb & his band of wild indians, the Estate Agent concerned, and the Government with their false promises deserve everything thrown at them!



vonny enjoy the TRNC, the sunshine and the rain! many victims of the TRNC cannot leave! many will not recover! many like me thank god every day we are in the UK warts and all!

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 23:19

msg 60



I cannot speak for every brit that has chosen to live in the trnc but im sure programs like Place in the Sun & cheap property prices helped in their choice...

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 23:28

with respect trncvictim , TRNC , did not take what you thought was your future away , gary robb did , and you and you alone allowed him to do so on your part , many people ex pats enjoy life in trnc , maybe with a little more eyes open things might be diferent for you , but you cant blame TRNC for your mistakes , after all it was your choice , good luck to you .

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 00:03

stonehousepub (mess 62)



I don't think "Place in the Sun" ever showed the TRNC? they stayed well clear, and I don't think £80,000.00 pounds was particularly cheap? in 2003 for a villa on a ledge!



rowlo (mess 63)



The TRNC took away my future by allowing a criminal that was known to them, but not by victims! the Government knew exactly who he was, and so did Unwin's Estate Agents! and so did the lawyers! and yes I blame each and every one of them! and yes it was my choice like a lamb to the slaughter!



Good Luck to you rowlo, and with respect to you, I would watch your hatred for Celtic! Religious discrimination in England is certainly a thing of the past!

Blackbird



Joined: 11/08/2009
Posts: 1432

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 00:54

MUSIN M....the streets of uk used to be run by the police ,now they are run by gangs ,the country used to be run by the government ,now they are run by the banks?



Well here the streets have never been run by Police....Oh and no gangs here either. I will agree the government are crap, but disagree that they are run by banks...

Here it's really nice...almost perfect...the only thing missing is the climate you have over there...

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 03:15

msg 64-TRNCvictim;

"I don't think £80,000.00 pounds was particularly cheap"



here is a result of a quick search.......... http://www.bkcyprus.com/



I had bought and sold quite few properties in uk,and always went for bargains to miximise my profit margin.ie.'in need of updating!!!'...........some I made huge profits........some I lost alot.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 05:37

Zoots interesting article you selectively quote. Much in it that refutes many of your oft made claims but of course you do not quote those bits. Anyway worth a read

http://www.merip.org/mer/mer235/dangerous-trend-cyprus



As for the ECHR are enshrined in UK law, I am sure you are aware that the UK is currently blatantly ignoring a ECHR ruling re the blanket prohibition on convited criminals loosing their rights to vote whilst serving sentances and has been for years now. No member country is underming the ECHR, is authority and its jursidiction more than the UK. When the ECHR ruled against Turkey in issues to do with the TRNC, Turkey and the TRNC implemented the changes they were required to by the ECHR. To claim the UK has enshrined ECHR law into its own national law is just not true. The ECHR has speciifcal ruled UK law is at odds with ECHR in the matter above and sucsessive UK governments have ignored this ruling, underming the ECHR itself as an insitution.

Becky123


Joined: 01/06/2011
Posts: 144

Message Posted:
03/06/2011 01:15

Hi there, as a family moving to Northern Cyprus within the next few months, I take all the comments posted on board. We fully appreciate that we are moving to live life in a different country and are not expecting it to be an extended holiday. It would be nice to hear if there are any more positive stories of people's experiences of moving to TRNC from UK. Thanks

vikkicm


Joined: 17/05/2011
Posts: 158

Message Posted:
03/06/2011 02:08

Becky,



We bought here 4 years ago, and were completely blind as to the problems that we could have encountered! Luckily for us, our journey into the next era of our life in TRNC has been a happy one, because we found a fabulous Estate Agent, who told us all about the problems we could run into; eg re pre 1974 title, exchanged land, etc. and also found us a bona fide lawyer.



There is no doubt that some developers, banks and lawyers are in cahoots with each other, solely for the purpose of ripping people off. A situation, which I know from first hand knowledge, that the TRNC government are trying to address.



Do your research, tread carefully, a good agent really is the key... and TRNC is a lovely place to live, ex pats and locals are great..



Hope this helps, and good luck to you!



We have heard so many horror stories since being here. Come on holiday, don't sell up in UK, if you can afford not to

ilk22


Joined: 18/05/2011
Posts: 136

Message Posted:
03/06/2011 06:00

yrret msg 7



"Planning sufficiently ahead" is the key in my opinion.

I am UK born TC, had tried to live in TRNC back in 95, but was young and had a child to bring up. Needed to make a living with business but was not easy. Returned to UK as living costs in TRNC went through the roof within a year of being there. Will return soon as I love the island, not Girne, but more inland and not too far from beautiful beaches, (besides nowhere in TRNC is too far - it can take 2 hours to cross London).

Anyway, the plan is to have passive income, have worked hard over the years and have invested in cheap properties that have been paid off and now rented out in TRNC (Turkish Deeds). I am still a good 20 years from pension age so need to ensure I have an income so as not to rely on working in the TRNC when I decide to move out. Built a bangalow and will have pool installed soon. Will ofcourse live within my means and hopefully not need any help from locals. I will ensure I still have property in

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
03/06/2011 09:37

Hi Becky, God forbid any of your family becomes seriously ill as my wife is now, then you will appreciate the NHS which everyone loves to knock. Government health care here is pathetic,hospitals are of the same standard as the "non-european" ones we had in South Africa. Wife is now in NEU hospital which is first class but the bill is becoming horrendous. As soon as she is deemed fit to fly I will be taking her back to the UK then back here to clear up (fortunately apt.was sold before illness hit) There will be some bargains coming up in the for sale section!

Allanon


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 21

Message Posted:
03/06/2011 10:00

Retired here 3 years ago.........so what we have done different in retirement if we had stayed in the UK? after the jobs had been done around the house in the morning, and read the daily paper (inside the house for the majority of the year), what then? my wife can't walk very far, so what's in the summer we can sit by the pool in the warm sunshine and read and have a swim in the pool if it gets too hot. We have interacted with the local community, living among Turkish Cypriots and made some good friends. So far we don't think any of this is too harsh on us! Yes, we miss the grand-children but we Skype often and they come on holiday and when we visit the UK we see lots of them there too. This is our life at the moment, no-one knows what lies ahead.

StGeorgeI


Joined: 27/08/2009
Posts: 973

Message Posted:
03/06/2011 13:25

I like the 3rd option:



3. If you are really unlucky nothing will change and you will become an established part of the bitter and twisted expat club, to be found daily dispensing advice to anyone that will listen (and cough up the cost of a glass or two) on where it all went wrong and what they should do to avoid the same mistakes...



I think most of this lot are on C44!!!! lol



G

Becky123


Joined: 01/06/2011
Posts: 144

Message Posted:
03/06/2011 19:19

We feel positive about moving to NC and have planned ahead and considered most things in relation to this move. I hope to get to meet people locally and become part of the community and make the most of our time in NC. As we have planned sufficently and have things in place back here in UK should anything 'go wrong' i feel that nothing is unfixable and at this time my glass is 'half full'.

kibrisvisitor


Joined: 28/05/2011
Posts: 98

Message Posted:
03/06/2011 19:25

We feel positive about moving to NC and have planned ahead and considered most things in relation to this move. I hope to get to meet people locally and become part of the community and make the most of our time in NC.



AS DID MAY BEFORE YOU !!

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
03/06/2011 19:39

Message 75.



How is "May" - haven't seen her for ages



Oh sorry, did you mean "many"?

4paws


Joined: 05/08/2009
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
04/06/2011 09:01

I have been reading with great interest this thread, we have been here almost 3 years and we do not have any of the symptoms described. We dont hit the high life, we came over here to live not to "holiday", we came on holiday for 10 years at least twice a year before we retired decided this was the place for us, took on the chin our mistakes that everyone makes and got on with it. We too have had to have medical treatment but you make your mind up to leave "UK mentality" behind see what is on offer and make your choice.

We did go back to the UK this year, left again after 4 days, its dirty, not safe, people look downtrodden and we will have to think twice about going again.

Whether anyone will actually admit it, life here in the TRNC is far better get to know the locals and your whole outlook will change it does not matter if your cant speak Turkish a smile, handshake and warmth in your eyes gets you on the road to a very good life.

nigetj


Joined: 22/07/2010
Posts: 176

Message Posted:
04/06/2011 09:26

At the moment we have the best of both worlds ...we are expats workin in the uae and have a holiday home here......i totally love it here .....but have seen lots of changes in 4 yrs ....it is very easy to be an expat in holiday mode where ever you live/work see it in uae too////lots leave with debt or nothing.....

i dont think i could live here full time at the moment , as i and my dh could not not work.as there is little to do here if u dont work

we will keep our house here and the one in uk and decide what to do when we eventually retire....but we dont and will not live in holiday mode when the time comes