History in the making

donaghadee3


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Message Posted:
17/05/2011 20:46

How wonderful to watch a very important piece of history made today - HRH Elizabeth 2nd in Ireland

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
17/05/2011 21:34

I've just read some English newspapers on line (seen the pictures, read the comments) - now I would like to read some Irish newspapers, pro and con the royal visit. Can you tell me which ones to read?

P.S. From a distance this "very important piece of history" leaves the main impression (English press) of a very costly, military operation with a lot of unrest and Irish protests. Can you enlighten me about the importance?

birdman



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Message Posted:
17/05/2011 21:45

It's important because this is the first Royal Visit to the Irish Republic in 100 Years.

After the partition of Ireland, no serving English/British Monarch has set foot there since 1911 so this visit is huge in it's importance. About 35% of the Republic of Ireland inhabitants look favourably to the Queen, 50% are indifferent to Her and 15% disapprove of her and anything English. She is 85 years old and wanted to make reparation to the Irish people, for the harsh English rule, while she is still able to do so.

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
17/05/2011 22:28

Thank you, Birdman. This photo caption from the Daily Mail on line made me think: "Her Majesty lays a wreath in the Garden of Remembrance in Dublin in memory of the Irish men and women who died resisting British rule." I changed Dublin in Nicosia and was wondering about the difference (must be there or?)... I'm almost tempted to ask more questions, but I won't before all C44 Brits and/or Irish(wo)men get angry. I'll better go on reading facts on the Internet and let the royal visit be what it seems to be: late symbolism.

Mr Vince


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Posts: 696

Message Posted:
17/05/2011 22:29

Birdman



She is not the queen of england. There has been no queen of england since eliz, daughter of henry 8th. She is not qe2, she is qe1 because she is queen of uk. Roll on the republic and we can elect a head of state. or more important roll on Scottish Independence and we can dump all the blue blood parasites.

Zoots


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Message Posted:
17/05/2011 22:41

Indy-lite or the full boona, Vince?

rowlo



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Message Posted:
17/05/2011 23:02

and shall we have border crossings in and out of this republic msg5 ? and who will lead us ? and will as in previous scottish history will we be sold out at the 1st time of troubles ? open your eyes so you can see , republic of ireland joined the euro on the same dreams , they called it the celtic tiger , its no more than a toothless kitten now ? wishing it was still trading in punts ?

ParkLane


Joined: 07/05/2011
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Message Posted:
17/05/2011 23:07

http://www.thebigproject.co.uk/news/

birdman



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Message Posted:
18/05/2011 10:03

Vince

Sorry to upset you but she is the queen of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales ! Plus the queen of the remaining commonwealth !

birdman



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Message Posted:
18/05/2011 10:11

Vince

"Roll on Scottish independence !" - your words.

Oh that your wishes were granted, just for you, and then see how far you go with your independence. Where do you hope to get your economy from? ( don't tell me Scottish oil because it is NOT Scottish oil !) Who will pay your prescription charges ? Who will pay your kids to go to University. At least with independence, I WILL NOT BE SUBSIDISING YOU ! You have the chance to be independent all by yourself, just kindly return all the benefits given to you by the BRITISH TAXPAYER !

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
18/05/2011 10:17

@ msg 2: Three Irish(wo)men were kind enough to email me answers to my question in msg 2. Thank you!

P.S. Off topic: Isn't it a worrying sign that decent people prefer not to join threads on this board anymore (I was given the reasons)?

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
18/05/2011 10:29

Hans re msg 2



http://www.rte.ie/news/



http://www.independent.ie/



http://www.irishtimes.com/



other links here:



http://www.world-newspapers.com/ireland.html





re msg 9 Birdman



QEII ( Mr Vince you DO remember the Cunard liner ? !) is the Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain ( Eng., Scot., Wales ) and NORTHERN Ireland .. There's a VERY important distinction !



Those wishing for 'independence' - as a Northern Irishman - should remember that Scot., Wales and N.I. get more govt money per head of population .. up to 50% more ...

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
18/05/2011 12:26

As far as us Guernsey men are concerned she is the "Duke of Normandy"....(her official title) within the Bailiwick

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
18/05/2011 21:23

God Save The Queen.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
18/05/2011 21:25

spot on bill .

birdman



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Message Posted:
18/05/2011 21:48

Message 11 sub para.



Are you saying that those who do make comment are NOT decent ?

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
18/05/2011 22:18

I think its a wonderful achievement, I take my hat of to the Irish governement and of course the British government. Us Irish are big enough to move on and accept its all in history now. I felt very proud watching it. There was no bowing and scrapping all equals. Wonderful.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
18/05/2011 22:22

@ msg 16, birdman: (...) Are you saying that those who do make comment are NOT decent ? (...)

▶ Sigh.

Zoots


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Posts: 669

Message Posted:
18/05/2011 23:32

Well, I was a bit put out that Mary McAleese didn't curtsy to the Queen as she got off the plane.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
18/05/2011 23:49

Off with her head! )

philbailey


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Message Posted:
18/05/2011 23:52

no head jokes

that thread got closed

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
19/05/2011 00:03

Ooops. No offence meant.

dublinderm


Joined: 26/09/2009
Posts: 538

Message Posted:
19/05/2011 10:08

Hi All,



The visit has been a resounding success.



All the right symbolism and statements. History being put where it belongs - in the past!



A (very) few loonies on the streets protesting - no doubt the same lot will be out for Barak O'Bama on Monday. The so called protests are just an excuse for mischief making by a bunch of street thugs.



Here is a thing... 6 MILLION people inn the UK have at least one Irish Grandparent. That means that the Brits have more Irish Grannies than the Irish do!!! How is that for close ties?



The Windsors are more than welcome to visit any time.



DD

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
19/05/2011 10:23

Hiya Derm. Im pleased it is a success, Thats a high stastic , Well goes to show. All that I have seen on TV showed it to be a very relaxed affair. No pomp and cermony. Hope you are both well xx

dublinderm


Joined: 26/09/2009
Posts: 538

Message Posted:
19/05/2011 13:14

Hi Liz,



I look forward to seeing you again in September - I will remember to food parcel!!



The Queen is off to buy some horses today and will then visit Cashel in Tipperary and finish up at the English Market in Cork City.



Everyone is expressing disappointment that the 'ordinary' folks did not get a chance to see her and Phillip. Especially my Welsh Mother and English Wife. Maybe next time.



FYI Prince William has visited here a few times by flying over in the heli from Angelsey. Very descrete.



DD

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
19/05/2011 13:27

msge 23



"6 MILLION people inn the UK have at least one Irish Grandparent"



Thats very interesting. I know that one half of my family descends from county Cork. I guess its not surprising then that the ROI football team is partly made up of people born in England



I have to say 'hats of' to the Queen. I am not a fan of the Royal hierarchy, but she does definitely do her bit, cant be easy at her age and she is also a brave woman. It cant have been easy to have predicted the reception she was going to get.

dublinderm


Joined: 26/09/2009
Posts: 538

Message Posted:
19/05/2011 14:09

Never mind the ROI football team - just look at England.



Rooney (Grannie is a Fitzsimons), Cahill, Carragher, Gerrard, ALL with Irish Parents/Grandparents.



DD

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
19/05/2011 14:19

Found out recently that my Scottish great grandmother's name was Doherty, which I believe is Irish.



I think the queen is wonderful, and very brave.



As the 1st Eliz. didn't have an heir, the son of her cousin Mary of Scotland, became monarch of

Great Britain. The Union of the Crowns began, and thereafter, James V1 of Scotland became

James l of Great Britain. Although we never had an Elizabeth reigning in Scotland, we did have

James, Alexanders, and David etc. So if any of those names come up as monarchs in future what

are you going to call them?



n.b The prayer book that Mary carried to her execution has just been kindly lent to us for a short

period (to a school doing a project on that period) and reunited with the cross she also carried.

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
19/05/2011 14:24

msge 27



Good point



What do you reckon. Its time that the ROI and English football teams become one?

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
19/05/2011 14:37

Hi Derm will look forward to seeing you. It is a shame that the ordinary folk will not get the chance to see her and Philip. Lucky people going to Tipperary and the English Marker. I miss that x

nuttynora


Joined: 29/05/2009
Posts: 118

Message Posted:
19/05/2011 15:21

I take it the detractors of our (Scotland's) independence saw the result of our general election on the 6th May?? And Birdman politics is about Choice we choose to spend our money educating our people with no costs attached because there is nothing more important than an educated populous one that can make Rational and Informed decisions and contribute to the wealth of that nation. You summation and view of us is not one that is fortunately held by those who know the facts and figures. It will do the British Isle good to have 2 equal independent states co- habiting the island and will hopefully lead to a secession of comments and thoughts such as yours.

birdman



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Posts: 690

Message Posted:
20/05/2011 23:43

nuttynora

My wife was from "The Outer Hebrides " I have nothing against the Scots.Just those of you who keep bleating on about independence. We too in England would LOVE to have free education but it cannot be afforded. Of course it is important to have an "educated populous" If it can be given free, then wonderful.You lucky people in Scotland get twice the income per capita head from British taxes than we do in England, that's why you can also give free prescriptions to sick people. Take your head out of the sand, without the rest of the UK where would your income come from? There are not enough people living in Scotland to sustain yourselves, you would become a VERY small fish in an expanding Europe. As an Independent country, your economy would not allow you to even get entry into Europe !Believe me I am NOT knocking the Scots, they have made some of the worlds best inventions, have produced some of the worlds best Engineers etc. but INDEPENDENCE ........ WHY? YOU GOT IT GOOD NOW

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
20/05/2011 23:57

Whatever your views the Irish welcomed her with all the Irish hospitaliy they have in abundance. Rightly so . I bet she will go away with a lot of lovely memories. Who needs the past. Look to the future.

England, Wales Scotland Ireland, we do not make the rules anymore. Europe does but we have our loyality x

birdman



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Message Posted:
21/05/2011 09:57

Yes Lilli, a resounding success. Who would have thought it possible. What a brave woman to even contemplate the trip she has just undergone. Yes the Government of the time were so wrong in so many things, but that was so far in the past. All governments acted in the times they were living in and what seemed good then we now know to be terribly wrong. It wasn't only the British Government that did things wrong though as many would have us believe. As they were doing wrong, so they many good things too.

Gerry

nuttynora


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Posts: 118

Message Posted:
27/06/2011 10:56

This link is especially for Birdman.



http://www.newsnetscotland.com/economy/2815-gers-report-shows-scotland-subsidises-uk-says-professor-andrew-hughes-hallett.html