INSULTS: the TRNC, Government and citizens

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 13:54

Time and time again the same C44 members insult the TRNC, the Government and the citizens of TRNC, whether born here or living here by right.

Is this really necessary? I hope I'm not the only one who - not blind - also see the good things the country and its people have to offer us, guests in TRNC.

How nice if like-minded C44 members would show some support in this thread.

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 14:06

DC,

Many people insult these institutions with good reason.

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 14:09

Dear God, Hans, what else can you expect? There are many people with good reason to detest the TRNC and its blatant corruption!

Standing by for the rose-tinted brigade.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 14:12

Zoots msg 2 said



"Many people insult these institutions with good reason."



And some do so with blantant misinformation, that they know is not true, like non citizens have no protection from the ECHR for acts by the TRNC authorites.

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 14:21

Dutchcrusader also mentioned its citizens!



Why are you so surprised you have moved to a state that has no international legitimacy. No trade, no real institutions. For us Tcys we live with this because its still better then how it was and we wait. TRNC is not going to develop good governance.



Erolz - you are right but the world will never give right to people who they see as being in illegal possession of

property and land.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 14:21

Sorry Hans, but I am amazed that you have even asked the question. I am sure that there are many people who are happy with their lives here in the TRNC,but there are an equally large number who are not and feel extremely let down by the government and the legal system.



As for insulting the citizens of the TRNC, most insults are normally aimed at particular sectors of the TRNC population, namely politicians, builders and advocates. Pity the same can't be said for your goodself as you have frequently been guilty of displaying utter contempt for all us 'Britishers'



The old British saying of the "Pot calling the kettle black" springs to mind.



Paul

TinLondon


Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 171

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 14:31

Hans, let's not pretend everything is perfect in the TRNC, and by highlighting holes in government processes and laws that seem to protect no one but the government, I think its good to have an open discussion from all views. No where is perfect and I’ve seen plenty of insults towards the UK in this forum, I think it's all a matter of what you choose to read and remember. Many people have had their fingers burnt with regards to property issues so many people do have a right to be angry. I think it's worth remembering to never compare the TRNC with another well established country because they're always going to be miles apart. Many people come to expect the same basic services as the UK, things like a reliable electricity system, a good communications network, a quality postal service and most importantly a government that treats everyone the same regardless of background. I'm sure the TRNC has some good points; it's just that I can't think of any that appeal to me.

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 14:34

For once I agree totally with you DC, the information (mis) they give and stupid comments about things that to be honest apply nearly everywhere beggars belief, NN's comment's (some not all) are a particularly daft and imo should not be allowed, as they appear to breach the Terms of the boards membership.



There are genuine comments and sensible reasoned debate about issues but often it just goes down into a 'The TRNC is a 3rd/4th world country blah blah"



This is clearly not the case in spite of its failings.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 14:43

Pugwash, you have hit the nail on the head. Misinformation, incorrect allegations, incorrect comparisions are all things that undermine the chance of the TRNC improving. One only has to see the difference between the likes of Pauline and Marian Stokes and how they address the failings of the TRNC vs those of the likes of zoots and NN. The former in my view clearly have an agenda of trying to effect positive change, the later an agenda of expressing, spreading and reinforcing their own prejudices. The sad thing is that the later only undermine the efforts of the former imo.

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 14:47

Paul, msg 6 just about sums it up )

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 14:50

If you are a guest in this country and were not forced to come here,then roll up your tent and go whence you came. If it is not what you expected then take that option.

To digress I have stated before, whatever the post, some smartarse will always make a derogatory comment.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 14:55

@ msg 6, fiendishpaul: (...) as you have frequently been guilty of displaying utter contempt for all us 'Britishers' (...)

▶ I must have been extremely lucky in the past years to have met about a thousand Britishers whom I am very pleased to know. So it's not "all us Britishers". An unknown number (from this board) - yes.

P.S. Don't forget to post another popular platitude: the finger in the dyke. And something funny about clogs.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 14:55

Whilst I love the TRNC, I am not blind to its problems. If it takes me until the day I die to try to get justice for myself and those here who have been badly used and treated, then so be it. But never under any circumstances will I lump together the good with the bad and say it is all bad. It is not. the biggest problem, as I see it, is there are bad people in positions of power and if that could be changed, then real progess would follow.



The people of the TRNC deserve better and God willing I will live to see it. Love the sinner, hate the sin.

denizen



Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 15:39

I must have been extremely lucky in the past years to have met about a thousand Britishers whom I am very pleased to know. So it's not "all us Britishers". An unknown number (from this board) - yes.



I think Paul, a really good ex army guy that I have been privileged to meet, is talking about the Brits in general, not those idiots that fall for your lies and line your pockets. How much of the money you have made from "about a thousand Britishers whom I am very pleased to know" have you paid TRNC tax on, Happy Slapper.

C2 don't bother jumping to his defence, it's obvious from your sycophantic support of this Brit basher, invisibly of course, how much you value yourself.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 15:48

mess 8 - Pugwash - hogwash....



i just tell the truth............



the place is a 3rd world shit hole full of lies, deceit and corruption...........



so which part of that statement is not true ???

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 16:10

Negnob, TRNC is not a shithole imo or "full" of lies, deceit or corruption that is your opinion and not of all people, if as you 'pretend" to be, actually are in Cambodia maybe you should read up on your "Gary Glitter" country before slagging everywhere else,



I particularly recommend this,



http://www.hrea.org/index.php?doc_id=550



Now you are really talking 3rd world,



Why do you not join this forum? you , or so you say, would be much more suited to it,



http://www.alloexpat.com/cambodia_expat_forum/

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 16:31

I know where DC is coming from but the likes of Zoots, Erolz, and Pugwash do his cause no favours.

Happy Hussar


Joined: 01/10/2008
Posts: 318

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 16:43

Excuse me, what exactly do Moderarors do? surely the crass idiot who penned Msg 15 should be banned from this site for ever!

Tony

Dreamydiver



Joined: 30/08/2010
Posts: 306

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 16:47

What disappointing replies to a reasonable opening thread.



Of course there are things we would like to change to benefit us, I'm even sure there are things that should be changed and situations where people need to receive compensation in order to establish a fair 'arena' for all to live in and enjoy the TRNC.



But wait, if I remove TRNC and replace it with country XXX, XXX or even XXX wouldn't my opening paragraphn still hold truths? By lowering ourselves by using petty insults etc we will find those in power / with power are less likely to listen to the sense / reason of our arguements. I do not suggest anyone 'rolls over' and accepts injustice but can we please try to remember:-



there is good and bad in all countries / locations.

petty insults devalue what is being said.

there are warm, friendly and helpful people of all nationalities living here.



Sorry, stepping off soap box...........

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 16:51

good post dreamydiver all countries have many faults some are different to others but nevertheless they do, and it is not fair to say they do not, The UK can be great but it also has faults for many.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 16:51

mess 16 - hogwash - just telling it how it is - why you care where i live ??



your rose tinted glass's must be thicker than the bottoms of Uncle Percy's milk bottle bottoms......



maybe you and happy husar Tony should shack up together ??

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 17:05

@ msg 14, denizen: (...) those idiots that fall for your lies (...)

▶ My "lies" are good enough for an invitation of KITREB (Association of TRNC Official Tourist Guides) to give a lecture about the history of Cyprus and a fortress in particular. In the TRNC Ministry of Tourism (Lefkosha) and more than 100 officials attending. (*)

Poor Denizen, you shouldn't have made an idiot of yourself. But that's what happens when you write posts in blind hatred.

(*) And > you < will never know how much they paid me...

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 17:11

@ msg 19, Dreamydiver: (...) What disappointing replies to a reasonable opening thread. (...)

▶ Needless to say that I agree with your words. And: how would the reactions be if some foreigners in the UK used all the insults describing the UK and its citizens - the way some here think they are entitled to re: TRNC?

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 17:17

Nn I care because you "pretend" ? to be from elsewhere which you always say is better than here but continue at every opportunity to slag the TRNC off, I do not dispute that this may be "your opinion" but do doubt your "motives" and the fact that these problems are hardly the xclusive of teh TRNC, try the RoCor Spain, Portugal or where you love the Far East.



Does this sound familiar?



"Be careful though, there are many scams, many building on land they don't own etc etc. You just simply have to spend the money on a few lawyers to get everything checked again, again, and again. Most is ok with my brothers place, but the 10 year guarantee that the two Yanks promised, does not exist. This was a company that own's the Hilton hotel in Hua Hin too! So, don't trust anyone just get everything checked if you decide to go ahead with anything and be prepared to visit regularly to make sure progress is being made as you have to keep on their backs."



http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthre

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 17:40

NN your such a child a very old child! Good a nasty comments but no balls in real life.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 17:44

NN makes you all bite

who is the clever one ?

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 17:45

Again an interesting post has gone haywire because of one persons smartarse comments.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 17:46

Call me cynical but I'm just wondering to whom DC is attempting to curry favour with.

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 17:47

He doesn't bite - she scratches. Its easy to be racist sexist and nasty on the internet. Whats she like in real life

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 17:48

I'm with Hans on this one. Yes the country has it's faults like everywhere else but can't think of anywhere I would rather be at this moment!



Chris

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 17:52

visitor



what,s he like in real life ,his overweight ,dye,s his hair oh and he has man boobs any woman would kill for .



musin



long live the kktc

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 18:04

Keep on track please

Simbas

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 18:08

simbas with all due respect to you ,you should of asked this question at msg 15.







musin





LONG LIVE THE KKTC

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 18:11

Simbas the man is a nasty racist. I am happy to have a discussion with anyone but he needs to cut out the sexist, homophobic and racist stuff. We all know he lives in Arapkoy, he should not be allowed to have multiple pseudonyms.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 18:19

On the island of rumours nn, is it right you are in the process of buying here? That is a rumour I heard on Friday.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 18:33

How sad!



The complaints and insults generally centre around the rubbish mountains, destruction of historical monuments and the Governments unwillingness to introduce laws that would put an end to property scams. These are things that could be changed very quickly and with very little financial implications.



The negative publicity does not appear to bother those in power, otherwise they would surely have acted on them. So why are others getting so worked up ? The issue is, are the insults justified and the statements being made true?



We do not always like what is being said about the TRNC but unfortunately quite often it is the truth.

Best and most accurate description I ever heard about the TRNC was:



"Pockets of beauty surrounded by loads of shite"



Not very complimentary but very truthful.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 18:38

Bradus



Very well said.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 18:38

Msg 33 , sorry , not online all the time .

Simbas

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 18:39

bradus



what are you reffering too as sad .





musin



LONG LIVE THE KKTC

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 18:46

Bradus I suggest you read the posts from our Arapkoy friend. They are personal and offensive. They are not simple statements abt the TRNC being shite.



If its so awful then don't stay. I wouldn't if I felt so strongly. You and others moved to a state no one recognises, that is occupied and where property is in-dispute. The world sees you as parasites. You say introduce property laws. The property does not legally belong to the state, how can it introduce laws.



I agree, many TCYs are unhappy but the place is not normal. There are troops, UN, no flights other then Turkey. None of us know what the future will bring. Its beyond me that you move somewhere and not fully know the facts.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 18:53

Come on Hans, you are just winding these sorry individuals up. You already knew which pratts would reply to this thread. Moderators do your job.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 18:58

Message 41 - so, a sort of "light the blue touch paper then retire" type of thread?

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 19:00

troodo



thats so funny have you realised you have just posted.





musin





LONG LIVE THE KKTC

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 19:08

Yes,i have to agree with DC,All the time there are people putting down this country,i agree there does need to be improvements in certain areas, but when you start putting the locals down, thats when i get annoyed,I think a lot of expats who live here stick within their own communty and probably gossip between yourselves and have no idea what the TC's are really like.maybe its the language barrier that your scared of,but if you got to know them,you would find they are the most friendliest,caring and helpful people.

Happy Hussar


Joined: 01/10/2008
Posts: 318

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 21:07

If the Moderator thinks message 15 is AOK then this forum is the pits and not worth viewing again.

Tony

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 21:07

vonny



"but if you got to know them,you would find they are the most friendliest,caring and helpful people"



Unless of course they are politicians, builders, advocates or civil servants .

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 21:53

Visitor message 40



"If its so awful then don't stay"



I didn't. I got out as soon as I realised the truth about the day to day workings of the TRNC and the blatant corruption and nepotism..



"You and others moved to a state no one recognises, that is occupied and where property is in-dispute. The world sees you as parasites. You say introduce property laws. The property does not legally belong to the state, how can it introduce laws"



Again I would never have purchased GC property. I bought pre 74 Turkish Title only to find out the hard way that the TRNC is willing to sell this property and happily watches people part with their hard earned cash knowing very well they will never get PTP. It is as it is in the TRNC and all I would ask for is the honesty of coming clean and stating that they wish to retain their TC property. However this might be seen as being blatantly discriminatory so would this be possible?



Stop stereotyping and deal with the facts please.

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 22:14

Bradus - Good for you why are you obsessing!



The situation in Cyprus is well known, you obviously did what was right most have not and this forum is full of people who did not. Your so called facts. Ordinary Cypriots are pretty powerless and have sympathy with those that are victims - so don't stereotype us! As I said these sales should never have taken place. If there is a solution tomorrow these people could loose everything. Who will defend there interests. The UK Govt. has warned them against buying!

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 22:46

Bradus (mess 47)



I find it so sad when people like you are accused of obsessing!



The situation in Cyprus is very well known now (as Visitor says in mess 48) it certainly WAS NOT in 2003/4 when the corruption was rife! some of the victims have worked bloody hard to make it well known in 2011 by informing the UK Government along with the Turkish Government just exactly what had been going on,so perhaps Visitor you shouldn't stereotype us either!



As you say "These sales should never have taken place" but they did, and the TRNC Government did nothing to stop them, allowing criminals to build on land without Planning Permission, giving known criminals a Kimlit Card, and promising the victims of the known criminals they would help them! which they didn't!



vonny (mess 44)



If the Government doesn't improve there will be nothing left of the TRNC to improve!



DC (mess 1)



I love you dearly, but if you can't see the necessity of insulting the Government? .....................

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 23:01

The insults on this forum are not just directed at the government. The invasion took place in 1974. People knew that the properties they were purchasing were illegal in many cases. Please do not assume naivety.



Insult the TRNC government see where it gets you. At the end of the day what will happen if thousands of Greeks return to claim there land and homes as part of a settlement. The Greeks are not going to compensate you. The EU will not. Even, if in the future you earn the right to go to the European courts - they will simply label you as parasites feeding of the misery of others.



Your best bet is to stop insulting and try to work out a solution with the TRNC in your favour.

Unless you have a pre 74 title Kocans mean nothing!

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 23:10

"Your best bet is to stop insulting and try to work out a solution with the TRNC in your favour"



But as you state it is the TRNC that sold these illegal Greek homes! So why would any one feel comfortable in dealing with the seller of stolen goods?

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 23:12

Visitor (mess 50)



I don't want the greeks to compensate me, I just want what I am owed through the corruption of the TRNC Government! I am not a parasite! just a normal victim, with no home, no money, no husband (there are many of us) and sadly more will come!



I will never work out a solution with the TRNC their favours are too corrupt for me!

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 23:19

TRNC Victim,



In short all that is being asked is that developers and advocates adhere to the agreed contract. Not a lot to ask is it?

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 23:34

Bradus (mess 53)



If only...........................



X

denizen



Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
22/05/2011 23:59

@ msg 14, denizen: (...) those idiots that fall for your lies (...)



▶ My "lies" are good enough for an invitation of KITREB (Association of TRNC Official Tourist Guides) to give a lecture about the history of Cyprus and a fortress in particular. In the TRNC Ministry of Tourism (Lefkosha) and more than 100 officials attending. (*)



Poor Denizen, you shouldn't have made an idiot of yourself. But that's what happens when you write posts in blind hatred.



(*) And > you < will never know how much they paid me...



Not disputing your knowledge of history, nor am I an idiot. Your constant sniping at all things Brit. shows you are an insecure person snapping at those you need to fund your lifestyle. Hatred isn't a feeling I am familiar with, I'm sure you can explain what it's like. As for knowing how much you are paid, I doubt the authorities know any more than I do, but they may care more.

Have a nice day, I know I will

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 00:13

Re : Msg 14,





I find it ironic, no, I find it hilarious to be lectured on the suject of self-value by a maniac!

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 00:18

Message 56 - what is a "suject" please?

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 00:28

Msg 50, please explain more.

girnegeeza


Joined: 17/05/2010
Posts: 136

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 01:27

Turkey did not "invade" in 1974 but intervened to stop the killng of Turkish Cypriots

by the Greek Cypriots following a military coup led by Greek extremists to unite Cyprus with Greece.

The Greek Cypriots would have you beleive that Turkish Cypriots owned nothing, they had no homes, land or businesses.

In the event of a settlement the Greeks could come and reclaim their property, equally the Turkish Cypriots would reclaim all that is righfully theirs.

Stolen property! surely only buildings standing at the time of the intervention and these only being used until a

settlement is achieved.

All new building is on previously barren hillsides which were probably worth nothing.

Much is talked about the Cyprus issue, yet most people either do not know or do not want to know the truth.

Did Turkey decide one morning in 1974 to "invade" for absolutely no reason, think about it!

Think about the wider issue here rather than continally complain about the TRNC.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 01:31

Excuses, excuses, excuses,



What sort of an argument is actually being presented? It appears to be along the lines of shops are guilty for displaying their wares so blame the shop and not the shoplifter!



Come on folks lets tell it as it is.............warts and all. Some of the insults are justified. Rosy coloured glasses are not going to hide the obvious. The TRNC is not a safe place to buy. Nepotism rules. Corruption is rife. The TRNC deserves its poor reputation and the insults arise because of it's inability to address these issues. It has had many years to sort out the problems and has failed miserably. I feel well justified in insulting it, just as I would if it was any other place in the world.



Basically what is wrong with telling it like it is?

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 01:45

Msg 59

so simply

Thank you for explaining to the un-educated

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 01:53

Bradus there is nothing wrong with telling it like it is. There is in my view a real problem with saying things that are not true, extrapolating from real issues to unreal or exagerated ones, ignoring any progress that is made at all, undermining those who want and are making efforts to achieve change, tarring whole people and communites with a single brush and preaching a gospel of its all hopeless nothing can or will ever change. There is a real problem with these kinds of things if you want change.

I am not without experience of working for change, against seemingly ridiculous odds. If I learnt anything from such experiences it was that it is vital to both pick your battle grounds carefully and always to be right, never exagerate, never use hyperbole, never use distortion and most of all never listen to those that tell you its impossible.

Change takes time, dedication, effort, determination and courage and its greatest enemy is BS.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 07:52

Erol, Hope you don't mind me picking out the words from your post which jumped out at me 'and most of all

never listen to those who tell you it is impossible'. How very true, all limitations are self imposed OR made up by those who, when you succeed will be the losers.

Rottolover



Joined: 21/06/2009
Posts: 519

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 07:55

Bradus, I agree with erolz here. Using tired old catchphrases such as "telling it like it is" are strong indications that you are descending into the realm of euphemism...that one really means 'my opinion is correct and yours is not worth listening to'. Negativenick seems fond of that one too.



But when you "tell it like it is", you seem to insist that there are only negative things about the country - there is nothing to like about it. That's so clearly an unbalanced view that I wonder how you can be satisfied with your post.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 08:12

long live the KFC, i say..............

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 08:49

In past centuries the great art of debate was sublimised at the famous universities in the UK. To understand the meaning of debate some here should use Google, type define:debate and maybe they learn something - for the benefit of all of us on C44.

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 08:58

Just a comment on the calls for moderation on this thread.

Cyprus44 allows freedom of expression, with one proviso, that is we do not allow posts that question the legal right of the KKTC to exist.

Many people NN, especially. criticise thr KKTC. They are under our rules free to do so as long as they don't question its right to exist. NN does it in his own inimitable style, criticising without coherent arguement or sense sometimes but nevertheless within the constraints of the rules. We don't have to like it but we have to put up with it and as stated earlier if we didn't bite I suspect he would get bored.

More concerning from a rules point of view are the posts of Zoots and Visitor. Frequent use of words such as illegal push to the limit the rules on the board. As they haven't been specific they are teetering on the allowable side-just.

I personally do not like posts that denigrate Turkish Cypriots as a whole. This borders on racism and should not and if explicit will not be tolera

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 09:03

Addendum ......ted............





Thanks Martin (Harold2555)

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 09:04

The personal attacks on DC are also very borderline and I would have acted if I didn't feel that he was robust enough to deal with them himself.



This thread was always going to be debated, that's fine as long as it is done so properly and without hysteria and hyperbole. Largely this has been done with some excellent contributions as well as those that sadly aren't.



Harold

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 09:30

@ msg 69, Harold2555: (...) The personal attacks on DC are also very borderline and I would have acted if I didn't feel that he was robust enough to deal with them himself. (...)

▶ Thank you for not interfering (moderating) - there is no better way to expose the level of "thinking" and writing of some here.

ilk22


Joined: 18/05/2011
Posts: 136

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 09:50

GirneGeeza msg 59



Well said! My parents are TC and I was born in UK, I had my 1st holiday to Cyprus in 74 when suddenly war broke out. I know what was happening first hand and we moved from village to village to avoid being captured. We were in Ipsilat when a radio broadcast warned us to surrender or die when the greeks forces were approaching Ipsilat. We escaped to the next village and this was the day Turkey had intervened. I was only 8 at the time and believe that if they did not intervene then I or my mother and younger brothers would not be here now. We later found out that several villages were massacred before the Greek forces attempt to take Ipsilat.



Yes, the TRNC government has had a hard time in keeping the north afloat, whether they have made mistakes or not. I have visited the TRNC nearly every year sometime upto 5 times, I have even spent a whole year out there, if I get cheesed off then I just stop visiting for a while - more...............

ilk22


Joined: 18/05/2011
Posts: 136

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 10:06

- but I still return and still love the place no matter who is in power.

I have also bought properties with pre74 TC deeds aswell as acquired a Greek property that was given by the TC Government because their home had been raised to the ground in the late 50's but EOKA. I have bought Turkish land knowing that the island has been unstable for such a long time and that my investment may result to nothing in the end - but it is a risk I took and will not blame anyone if I lose it all one day. I blame not who is in or has been in power in the TRNC since 74 and I have no hate for the Greeks in the south. I value life and am glad to be alive - I say this because I had also been captured but managed to survive the ordeal in 74 - and understand that the situation was bought upon by fanatics. The TC's and GC's lived alongside each other for centuries - 74 til now is just a glitch and am sure there will be a resolve one day. More...........

ilk22


Joined: 18/05/2011
Posts: 136

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 10:16

And when there is a resolve and if money is lost in the process, so be it, life is precious to worry about material things.



No point in blaming the government as they have had a tough task in running the country under all the unfair sanctions. No point in dwelling on the past as it can not be changed. If you fall of your bike, you should get back up on it again and move on - we all make mistakes in life and hopefully learn from them.

ilk22


Joined: 18/05/2011
Posts: 136

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 10:24

"acquired a Greek property that was given by the TC Government because their home had been raised to the ground in the late 50's but EOKA"



Correction:



Property was given to my Grandparents later purchased by my mother and passed on to me. my Grandparents home had been raised to the ground by EOKA i the late 50's and forced out of the town.

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 10:40

very good post ilk22

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 10:49

mess 67 - prob one of the best posts this year on cy 44...



well done

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 11:10

Harold, I am absolutely shocked that you feel comments by NN are within the rules. I suggest you read through his posts, refernces to people being faggots, his sexist and offensive comments abt women and banter and sexual refernces to Asian women. My partner is asian - do you honestly think that is acceptable. The constant slagging of our communities and homes as shite. Yet you dare to criticise me for using the word illegal - and futhur to claim that I am on the fringes of rule breaking. please explain how you have arrived at your conclusion?

trooper


Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 211

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 11:16

msge 65. Hear hear....





long live the Karsiyaka Popular People's Front.

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 13:08

Re : Msg 57,



Dear Jeannie,



It's 'subject' sans 'b' . My vision was impaired by a big tattoo and a shocking pink colour.

Thanks for your vigilance, even in the early hours.



Yours sincerely,



Clarissa



P.S. You've never thanked me for the flowers I had sent you.

birdman



Joined: 20/09/2010
Posts: 690

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 13:19

Am I wrong if I criticize what I perceive to be corrupt or unjust ? Even though I am not a citizen here, I must still be allowed to air my views. And WHY am I not a CITIZEN ?( through no fault of my own!)



Immigrants to the UK are allowed to give their opinions and even if they insult the establishment/royal family/government etc. they are allowed to do so with impunity. We British may not like the insults but we accept them as a rite of the individual, even immigrants.



I therefore demand the right to criticize anything I believe wrong here in the TRNC, by whoever I believe is doing wrong, whether they be Turkish Cypriots, GC's or Brits ! It's" MY OPINION" and I also allow those criticizing ME the same privilege !



Some do go over the top in insults. If you wish to insult me then please do it to my face, ( I'd love that ! but criticize me fairly and justly and I will respect you for your opinion.



Gerry

girnegeeza


Joined: 17/05/2010
Posts: 136

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 14:30

Birdman,



You are allowed to criticize what you percieve to be wrong in the TRNC, just the same as in the UK, neither Government has restrictions on free speech.

But I have heard it said many times in the UK to foreigners " if you dont like it then go back to where you came from".

Very similar here I am sure people feel the same and sometimes express themselves accordingly, it is the public right to say what they feel. It is not the Government.

Criticise all you want provided it does not tar everyone will the same brush, not all TC are thieves, crooks or not to be trusted as some people constanly imply.

Be fair with your criticism and most will listen and possibly offer advice, be offensive and you will get neither.

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 17:00

Well put Girnegeezer.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 19:04

Message 79



Dear Clarissa,



With regard to my vigilance; you're welcome



With regard to your post script, is this a cryptic message?



With thanks.



Yours sincerely



Jean

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 22:21

trooper



as you are old ,here is an old chinese proverb see if you can work it out .



a rat who gnaws a cat,s tail invites destruction.



long live the kfc ,you find the need to shout (hear hear)WHEN SOME OF YOU BRITS have the need to express it ,if you do not like us tc,s then i suggest you leave our country ,before you are pushed out .



musin



LONG LIVE THE KKTC

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 23:59

DC (mess 1)



Getting back to your thread "yes is it necessary to to insult the TRNC Government "they See no Evil, Hear no Evil, and certainly speak no TRUTH! along with the likes of MUSIN M. they seem to live in a time warp!



If the true citizens of the TRNC are so nationalistic they think like MUSIN M, I'd get the hell out of there as quickly as possible



I don't believe they do DC, I think most TC's understand exactly what has gone on for the last 7 years, and feel ashamed by their Governments antics! honest people the world over will never bow down to the TRNC Government or MUSIN M's hypocrisy!



As MUSIN M says in message 84 If you don't like this particular TC leave before you are pushed out!



Nationalism at it's worst!

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
24/05/2011 00:15

victim



long live the kfc ,racism at it,s worst.



what makes you any different ,have you seen me slag off the uk or do you think i should just as you do about my country,get real .



musin



long live the kktc

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
24/05/2011 08:37

@ msg 85, TRNCvictim: I certainly do not question your right to fight for your case - and I repeat: you know I was one of the very few who answered the call for support in Nicosia.

Following up my msg 1 in this thread: I object to the wording of many posts by the same C44 members. Many posts are hijacked with the same: "The TRNC is a sh*tehole, the Government consists of ....... all Brits are ripped-off by all Cypriot Turks etc etc".

There's an old Dutch saying which I shall translate: "One catches flies with honey not with vinegar".

P.S. I felt I owed you an answer, but I don't feel like adding anything more to this thread (or any other thread except threads about history) since moderator Harold2555 made it clear how far some can go on this board before crossing the (his) border.

Happy Hussar


Joined: 01/10/2008
Posts: 318

Message Posted:
24/05/2011 08:53

Totally agree Hans. Harolds message 67 was a total 'Kop Out'.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
24/05/2011 09:29

Musin. Most of these Knockers ( as you put it ) do not live in the TRNC, they have either gone back to the UK, are what the residents here call swallows, or live in the south.

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
24/05/2011 15:21

Agree totally with Dutchcrusader - Harold you still never replied to my posting message 77.

dearie


Joined: 08/03/2011
Posts: 142

Message Posted:
24/05/2011 15:28

Msg 44 I agree - and what gets my goat is a lot of them do not even try to learn Turkish so that maybe they could have a meaningful conversation with someone who doesn't have a hidden agenda. Are they actually interested in a Turkish opinion?

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
24/05/2011 16:21

Musin



"long live the kfc ,racism at it,s worst"



Hardly racism at its' worst, not even racism IMO - just a play on words used to get you to rise to the bait.



"have you seen me slag off the uk or do you think i should just as you do about my country,get real".



If you feel the need to have a go at the UK then by all means do - freedom of speech and all that However, I would guess that you went to the UK as a child/young man and have remained there for a long time. Judging by your profile I would also assume that you have done fairly well - no doubt down to your hard work and enterprise. Just a pity that the same opportunities do not exist for expats who have come to 'your' country. Some complain because they can, others complain because they have been systematically robbed of their savings and wish to warn others of the dangers. Do you blame them for doing so or should the TRNC remain blameless ??



Paul

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
24/05/2011 16:51

Msg 84: "long live the kfc ,you find the need to shout (hear hear)WHEN SOME OF YOU BRITS have the need to express it ,if you do not like us tc,s then i suggest you leave our country ,before you are pushed out ."

Surely someone who hasn't lived in Cyprus for half a century or so is hardly in a position to suggest someone leaves the place. And what do you mean by "our country"?



"Long live the KGB"

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
24/05/2011 17:15

Zooots maybe he should just of suggested they be deported ? Like you, a non citizens and occsional visitor, did in regards to me, a citizen by birth right and in law and resident for the last 9 years? Would that have been more acceptable to you perhaps?

Just in case memory is a problem your exact words a mere 4 days ago were.

"North Cyprus would be a better place if such troublemakers were deported back to their countries of origin ........"

Oh the irony. A non citizen non resident suggests a citizen and resident should be deported because they, and they alone, consider the person a troublemaker and then a few days later they lambast a citizen who is not resident for suggesting those who do not like like the TRNC or TC people should leave. You could not make it up.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
24/05/2011 17:19

@ msg 93: Just what we need in this thread, Zoots (Campbell Thomas, his real name, although that may be a lie also; aka Eric Seans etc etc etc, banned for life but omni-present), the renegade Brit. Moderators, you've done it before on request: please close the thread that I started. Thank you.

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
24/05/2011 20:13

Not wishing to be pedantic but it's a bit rich Musin M saying long live the KFC? and get out of MY country



WHILE LIVING IN LONDON.

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
24/05/2011 20:30

newscoop msg 96,

Don't lift other people's copy or it's back to making the tea! It's all there in msg 93. The poor chap's one regret is he wasn't born a karasakal.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
24/05/2011 21:50

newscoop



you got three little words right about me ,rich musin m.





musin





LONG LIVE THE KKTC

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
24/05/2011 21:57

Oh dear...

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
24/05/2011 22:00

zoots



oh dear ,dear dear.





musin





long live the kktc

denizen



Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
24/05/2011 22:28

Many people insult these institutions with good reason. What a difference a day makes. Once again DC draws the reader of his post away from the meaning of the thread, by attacking the Brits, their country, nation, monarchy, church, government and history.No immigrant, visitor, would be citizen or other is entitled to run down this beautiful country. If you don't like it, leave. If you've burnt your bridges and can't leave, make the best of it. Don't blame the TC's for making life hard for us, it isn't. If you smoke the saving in a week on UK prices pays for your residency, if you don't smoke, start. Don't worry about it shortening your life, you're not enjoying it anyway. The Irish half of my family like visiting me more than I like visiting them. The guiness only compensates for so much. The English half are so surrounded by immigrants "there to enrich the country" that they hardly notice that they're in a "foreign" country. Please, don't let a Brit basher like DC educate us here

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
24/05/2011 22:41

denise



i think you will have to educate yourselves ,dc has clearly expressed his right too freedom of speech ,the terminology used when insulting the kktc by some brits,you cannot have it both ways.





musin



long live the kktc

denizen



Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
24/05/2011 22:41

find it ironic, no, I find it hilarious to be lectured on the suject of self-value by a maniac!



Well, I'm glad you find something funny in your sad life Clarissa. Why do you blindly endorse everything he says. Are you so hard up that you sychophantically simper to a man, loosely speaking, that insults everything that our country has achieved over the centuries. Grow up, find a man you can respect and who respects you. I notice you haven't posted a photo but don't despair, there's a man out there for you, somewhere, or I'll lend you one.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
24/05/2011 22:44

newscoop do you also think its a bit rich zoots saying that I, as a citizen of the TRNC (and RoC for that matter), resident in the TRNC for 9 years, should be deported from the TRNC because he as a non citizen and occsional visitor who does not live here thinks I am a troublemaker ? Zoots is actualy sayoing get out of YOUR country cause I dont like you and doesnt even live there. Thats quite rich aint it ?Or is it only rich when TC does these things but not worth comment when a Brit like zoots does them ?

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
24/05/2011 23:07

Stop the ride.



I want to get off!

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 10:05

This thread is now closed . It had run it's course and was getting personal among some members

Simbas