Mersin connects to the world via new airport

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 06:18

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=mersin-connects-to-the-world-via-new-airport-2011-05-23

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 09:54

>>Mersin would rank as the one of the most important logistical hubs in the region, “similar to Singapore, Hong Kong or Rotterdam."<<



Don't you think that's a bit optimistic ?

nostradamus


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 15:05

Although I don't have any statistics, I would have thought that Mersin must be pretty much the biggest port at this end of the Mediterranean now. What's wrong with optimism exactly? Nobody achieves anything without it. Makes a very refreshing change to read this instead of all the moaning and hand wringing in this island (both sides that is!).

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 15:39

nostradamus

To be honest with you it was a reply I expected from Mark because he is obviously aware of the potential benefits this will bring to the TRNC.



Mark

'Don't you think that's a bit optimistic ?'



Perhaps you should be asking the Turkish State Minister Zafer Çağlayan about his 'optimism' as I am sure he is better placed than you to be making statements about the future of Mersin and the TRNC.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 16:18

AJ, I'm asking YOU - as you published the article .. presumably YOU 'believe it..



Turkey isn't exactly on friendly terms with Israel and the RoC and is threatening nations ( Lebanon and Egypt ) doing legal deals with Cyprus re Oil / Gas..





So HOW is Mersin sea port going to be a 'hub' ? ( no real infrastructure to third nations )



As for the airport, I appreciate TR's population is growing, but I don't see how, commercially, there's going to be much traffic to CY ..

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 16:57

Mark

'AJ, I'm asking YOU - as you published the article .. presumably YOU 'believe it..'



I think you will find I did not 'publish' the article, I merely posted a link to the newspaper/journalist that did publish the article. I posted the link to provide information for others to read and to encourage further interest. I have not formed an opinion as I usually disseminate information from more than one source before I even attempt to form an opinion

'Presumably' is not a word you should be using. After all these years you still are not aware of my 'Modus Operandi'.

Visitor


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 17:09

Adjacent to the port is Mersin Free Zone established in 1986, the first free zone in Turkey, with warehouses, shops, assembly-disassembly, maintenance and engineering workshops, banking and insurance, packing-repacking, labelling and exhibition facilities. The zone is a publicly owned center for foreign investors, close to major markets in the (Middle East, North Africa, East and West Europe, Russian Federation and Central Asia. The trading volume of the free zone was USD 51,8 billion in 2002..



Mersin port is an international hub for many vessels routing to European countries from Wikipedia

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 17:33

Mark

By the way, maybe you would like to explain why myself or anyone else should not believe the article. Where do you get get your information from and how do you decide what is 'truth' or not. I think I already know the answer to that that question but maybe you could confirm so that I do not end up 'presuming'.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 17:56

Dear AJ,



re msg 6 - you are correct you simply posted ( not published )



I used presumably as I didn't think you'd be taken in by such statements..



You could call me your second source..



I'd be amongst the last people who could fathom your 'MO' .. !



Visitor re msg 7



Have you heard of 'wiki warnings?' ...this is the article you are quoting from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mersin



This is specific info re free zones in Turkey..



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_zones_of_Turkey



There are other ports better suited ( location / infrastructure) for Russia / Ukraine / w.Eastern / e.Europe

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 18:04

Mark

'You could call me your second source.'

Well I certainly would not call you my first source.

As for 'second' source, nope.

newlad



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 18:05

A.J.



Thanks for posting this very interesting, and upbeat article.Turkey are really evolving now as a nation,and increasing trade with Northern Cyprus,should only be seen as a good thing.Whether it is as big as Singapore,Rotterdam,etc,is irrelevant to me.What i means is that the country is growing,and growth brings with it more options,more employment,and hopefully prosperity.More of the same please,



Paul.

Zoots


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 18:16

Msg 11: "increasing trade with Northern Cyprus should only be seen as a good thing."

Paul, Turkey floods north Cyprus with its own oranges instead of the other way around. That's just one example of Ankara's stranglehold on TC trade. It's all about control of someone else's territory.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 18:22

6xm , its over aj has handed in his badge , no point in trying to ridicule him on every thread he posts , its wrong , put it to bed , i also think its a good article .

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 18:30

re msg 11



Paul



there's no doubting it's upbeat... but is it realistic ?

newlad



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 18:40

Re-mess 12,



Really Zoots i didnt realise that,thanks for the "heads up" more vitamin C,then you could swing a cat at then,



Paul.



Mess 14,



Hi Mark,yes i think it is,



Paul.

Visitor


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 19:08

MMM I don't really understand why your getting so worked up. Maybe it isn't realistic, when are politicians real abt anything. But as information its interesting Mersin is close to TRNC. Its a new airport - lets wait and see.

Its better then just being negative!

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 19:19

Hi Visitor,



re msg 16



Why would you think *I'm* getting 'worked up.. ? ;)

Visitor


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 19:40

Because your fretting and becoming obsessive abt nothing - a link abt an airport!



How many times have you posted and debated abt it realities - get a hobby!

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 19:52

As realistic as the fresh water pipeline from Turkey first proposed 10 years ago!

Keeps the proletariat's happy by false promises of a brighter future! W. Shakespeare got it right in his title play, 'Much Ado About Nothing'!



Richard

Visitor


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 19:56

Miserable old men - nothing beats them!



Anyway thanks AJ for the link - I found it interesting.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 20:12

Visitor,



I'm neither miserable, nor old ;)



AJ complains about folk discussing footie, etc., So may be you weren't addressing me ? ;)

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 20:33

Mark

'AJ complains about folk discussing footie, etc., So may be you weren't addressing me ? ;)'



Where have I complained about folk discussing football and tell me about the 'etc'.

But then again lets not take this thread off topic.

Zoots

Tell us all where you get your information from about Turkey exporting more oranges to the TRNC than the TRNC exports to Turkey?



I am not saying you are wrong but at least post some credible links/info to prove your statement.

Otherwise I still maintain you are nothing more than a Cyprus44 'sniper'

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 20:46

Dear AJ,



do you now deny making 'exasperated noises' ( yawn) and other disparaging comments about folks posting things on here that don't interest you.. footie being one example.. ?



Do you need me to post 'proof' like Zoots ;)



msg 4 http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/29647.asp being one of many examples..

Zoots


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 20:51

AJ wrote: "Zoots, Tell us all where you get your information from about Turkey exporting more oranges to the TRNC than the TRNC exports to Turkey?

This time primary sources - seeing them come in on lorries on the Fergun Express and speaking to TCs in the know.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 21:00

This discussion re trade made me look up for some 'facts' ( ?)



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/64157.asp

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 21:00

Well done Mark

Got anything more recent than that?



But trying to keep on topic:

John (sorry I meant Zoots) re message 24:

Sorry that does not work for me, I only deal in facts and you are renowned for making up your own 'facts'.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 21:05

Hi AJ, re msg 26





>>I only deal in facts and you are renowned for making up your own 'facts'.<<





back on-topic



Yet you chose to start a thread where Minister Zafer Çağlayan tells us his dreams...;)

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 21:11

Msg 26

I have,

'Got anything more recent than that?'

You've resigned from closing posts and banning members but not from debating, which is much better!



Richard

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 21:21

Mark

Yet again you are posting nothing more than supposition. Prove to me that 'Zafer Çağlayan is telling us his dreams' and not facts.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 21:36

mark and pikey .



i do not get it ,why do you both have such problems with anything turkish ,you should read what you are writing ,you are both jumping down aj,s throat for showing us a report,you are both fretting to the point of hyperventilating,why ,if you believe it will not happen then fine .



aj thanks mate .





musin



long live the kktc

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 21:47

Musin



I don't have a 'problem' with things Turkish.. you have a selective memory !

newlad



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 21:47

A.J. never wrote the article,he just posted it,



Paul.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 21:56

AJ re msg 29



>>Yet again you are posting nothing more than supposition. Prove to me that 'Zafer Çağlayan is telling us his dreams' and not facts.<<



Nice 'try' .. where was the 'fact' in this..?



"Mersin would rank as the one of the most important logistical hubs in the region, “similar to Singapore, Hong Kong or Rotterdam".



The man is quoted as saying would - ( meaning will ) - it won't.. it's a silly contention - where is Mersin 'strategically located' for...?



A: Cyprus ;)

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 21:58

mark



of course you do not have a problem with the turkish ,we can all see that.





musin





long live the kktc

rowlo



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 22:18

wanderer can sort him out musin ? long live KKTC

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 22:19

Dear Musin..



We've probably spent more time in Turkey than you... ;)

rowlo



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 23:09

ever been to TRNC ?

newlad



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 23:11

No whats it like Rowlo,



Paul.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 23:13

dear mark



no ,trust me





musin



long live the kktc

rowlo



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 23:32

msg38 paul , dunno never been myself either ? trying to set up satelite business from paphos ( pafos ) , limasol ( lemoses ) ,

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 23:44

Dear Musin, re msg 39



OK, I trust you... !



re 40 Rowlo



Do you mean Limasol ( Lemesos ).... ? [ hick... ]



I have been all over Cyprus.... never did find 'TRNC' on the map.. ;)

Visitor


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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 00:44

MMMM I suggest you get out more!



Visit one of your many homelands

rowlo



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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 00:48

you never looked hard enough 6ms , it was plain to see before the greeks erased it ? after turkey kicked theyre arse that is , remember enosis , or do you also suffer Alzheimer's disease ?

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 06:51

Mark

There appears to be a major effort to increase trade with countries outside of Europe (I wonder why that is?) and what you may regard as a 'dream' looks to me as though it is going to become a reality.





http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=survey-reveals-clues-for-provinces-to-boost-exports-2011-05-19

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=turkeys-foreign-trade-minister-urges-deal-with-india-2011-04-19

simbas



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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 11:13

Keep on topic or it will be closed

Simbas

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 11:16

Hi AJ,



I'm sure there is a major effort- diversification is necessary if it looks like you are falling out with old friends....



As you know *I* want TR IN the EU... That WOULD help

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 18:39

Mark



'I'm sure there is a major effort- diversification is necessary if it looks like you are falling out with old friends.'

Who is falling out with who?





'As you know *I* want TR IN the EU... That WOULD help'



Help what/who? The EU thought that letting the ROC into the EU would sort the 'Cyprus problem' out.

How misguided that decision was.

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 18:49

Most oranges here come from TRNC, they have small labels on them showing the origin also they are so strangely shaped no one else would have them, still fantastic though.

Zoots


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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 19:44

Msg 48: "Most oranges here come from TRNC, they have small labels on them showing the origin..."

If a territory knowingly allows the sale of property to investors while knowing full well they will never get permission to purchase, do you think that country will be honest about the origin of simple produce like oranges?

Actually, forget I even asked that question. I have a better proposition for you. How would you like me to put $6 million dollars in your bank account with no questions asked? E-mail me to find out.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 20:17

John

What are you on about now?

At least try and discuss the topic of the thread.

And spend a bit more time researching your claims about imports of oranges into the TRNC.

Unusually you are starting to make yourself look silly.

Get a grip man.

Zoots


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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 20:43

AJ,

I'm not about to take lectures about looking silly from certain people.

bigOz


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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 20:50

Mersin was a thriving port, exporting goods from Turkey and was used asa transit port for (transit) international container cargo back in mid 1980s. It was the main export point for much of Turkish citrus fruit and dried figs. At the time it, only had one main - 4 start hotel called Mersin Oteli. But it never stopped growing! I believe now they have many famous 5 star hotels in the area, accommodating, what one can only imagine businessmen since Mersin is not exactly a tourist resort.

Mersin is a very "Strategic" port, economically, for many countries to the East and North East of Turkey. İt saves exporters a lot of time to send goods by truck to Mersin and then on to North Africa, Europe or East Americas, because the alternative would be to ship goods from the other side of the continent, Using the shores of Indian Ocean - or a long trip across the Black Sea, Bosphorus & the Aegean. Anyone who is familiar with the map of the area will know exactly what I am talking about.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 21:06

bigOz

Thanks for your sensible input to this thread.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 21:45

AJ re 45



>>Who is falling out with who? <<



Clearly - you didn't pay attention to msg 5 in this very thread....



re being in the EU:

>>Help what/who? The EU thought that letting the ROC into the EU would sort the 'Cyprus problem' out. <<



1/ Trade

2/ The EU HAD to let the 'rump' RoC in ... it was either that or no enlargement.... thank Greece for that !



>>How misguided that decision was.<<



Tell THAT to a TC who can get a 'rump' RoC passport and still have his 'TRNC' cake...

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
26/05/2011 00:42

re msg 53 AJ



>>bigOz



Thanks for your sensible input to this thread.<<



))



BigOz



THE major Russian port on the Black Sea is Novorossiysk - I'm sure you know that.. I'm also sure you know that there's been wars in various parts of what is officially Georgia ( Abkhazia, S.Ossetia, etc.)



You would also know that routes from Russia or it's satellites are tortuous ( Mountainous, windy roads / many border crossings / delays / even the possibility of bandits, etc)



As someone who REALLY knows the area and has driven from Novorossiysk to Sochi, then taken the ferry to Trabzon and driven across TR to Mersin ( and from Mersin to Cyprus ) I seriously wonder how many logistics companies would ship in this fashion to / from markets in ( say) India, Middle East, Far East, etc.?



Mersin makes sense for S. / central Turkey and serving the northern part of Cyprus..





Izmir and even Piraeus ( Athens) make more sense as a hub for north - south / East-west traffic

bigOz


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Message Posted:
26/05/2011 02:04

mmmmmm



I was not referring to Russian satellites but more to countries like Azerbeyjan, Iran, Irak, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan even ARMENIA! You will be surprised at the amount of traffic delivering goods. Are you suggesting it is easier to carry goods to Athens than Mersin, from North East of Turkey. So why do the Armenians kick up such a great fuss every time Turkey shuts her borders to them? Why are they so eager for Turkey to allow passage for the Armenian trade? By your reasoning, they should be comfortable enough exporting/importing goods through Athens (their political allies the Greeks!)

I was not talking about trade between Mersin and North Cyprus! I suggest next time you drive through the area you have a tour of the docks in Mersin and check out the size of the transit container storage, as well as the number of container ships loading/unloading at the port. Mersin is a port of call for many container vessels traveling to China, Europe and East Africa. (continues)

bigOz


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Message Posted:
26/05/2011 02:25

As for comparing it to Izmir, the route from Eastern Turkey to Izmir is twice the distance of that to Mersin! As someone who used that port a lot for trade, I assure you there are MANY LOGISTIC COMPANIES who ship out "in this fashion"

You are overlooking another advantage Mersin has as a port of call, compared to Athens or Izmir. When I used to charter 1000 ton (small) ships for our citrus exports, one could find a suitable ship with no problems to any port in the Mediterranean - BUT, not all businesses need a whole ship for their incoming/outgoing goods. For partial loads, I found a port like Mersin is more convenient than say Athens or Izmir, because it is closer to the shipping lanes to and from the Suez (or Gibraltar for that matter), easier and less time consuming to call at to pick up part loads

From a minor port, Mersin has developed into a major port over 3 decades. Surely there must be something going on out there which işs more than just the ferry traffic to North Cypr

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
26/05/2011 12:55

Dear Big Oz



As you said in msg 52 >>Anyone who is familiar with the map of the area will know exactly what I am talking about. <<



1/ I am not only familiar with the map - I know the area .. whilst it makes sense for nations to transfer containers overland via the route you suggest - you forget that Armenia - which you mention as a problem must be crossed to avoid the Iraqi Kurdish areas - THAT is why a lot of goods go via Russia ( Black Sea) - as Georgia is a problem ( getting into Russia ) - only only border to cross.



2/ The major expansion in sea trade was containerisation - this requires good road and rail links



3/ Mersin is not any more convenient a diversion for Suez traffic heading to from the Suez canal from either w.Europe / c.Europe or the Black Sea..in fact is is LESS convenient



Your example is your expertise and well-founded.. but I refer you back to point 2



Famagusta / Beruit / Haifa or even Limas(s)ol might have been included - if not for wars