Would You Kill?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
21/10/2008 21:36

Hypothetical question - please answer Yes or No only.



Your only Son aged 5, whilst crossing the road, is killed by a drunk driver. You have no other children and your wife cannot have any more.



Would you kill the Driver?



Yes or No only please.

cooper


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Message Posted:
21/10/2008 21:42

ye but no but ye but no but ye but no but _ _ _ _ _ _ ______________________________________________

MICK THE FISH


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Message Posted:
21/10/2008 22:54

No, No, No, No, No, No, No, Yes.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
21/10/2008 22:59

No, sorry Doyen I have to qualify my answer



That would make me worse than him/her...

japal


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Message Posted:
21/10/2008 23:05

The real question shold be............would yo kill his child.

girne 29


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Message Posted:
21/10/2008 23:07

1, No, what he did was manslaughter and what I would be doing would be murder.



2. my wife would, after losing her son ,lose her husband.

Lemtich



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Message Posted:
21/10/2008 23:08

What would be the purpose of this reprisal?



Family honour? Revenge? To avenge the death (slightly different)? To make one feel better by sending the message out to other potential drunk drivers?



Hmmm? Discarding the Sicilian and Arab nations penchant for personal revenge, I do recall that one of the Swiss or Austrian air traffic controllers whose negligence led to the mid air collision that killed a Russian school party being killed by one of their fathers.



Maybe its a deeper thing, the dead cry out for justice and the living feel obliged to deliver it, even by settling the score. I'm dead so I want him/her dead as well.



Great for the dead, I suppose they could discuss it. What does it do to the living who remain?



Lem

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
21/10/2008 23:52

Is it a No then for the 'eye for an eye' question?

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
22/10/2008 00:13

I know you want a yes/no Bill. It's a diifcult one. On reflection, which this question allows us we might say no, but in the heat of the moment when the red mist is flying who knows how we might react. It could be yes, especially if one had the means to kill i.e. a weapon



Lem, I remember the Danish air traffic controller in Switzerland. This was such a distressing situation. The poor controller although negligent was also the victim of bad planning in the control room that night. His bosses left him in the lurch as they were changing systems and he lost his life for it.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
22/10/2008 00:16

Doyen.



The logical extension to these posers would be: "Would you kill if you could get away with it?" You can tell by the kind of posts we get here from time to time that there are wierdos and sociopaths out there. Don't humour them.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
22/10/2008 00:29

Julie and Stephen are brother and sister. They are travelling together in France on summer vacation from college. One night they are staying alone in a cabin near the beach. They decide that it would be interesting and fun if they tried making love. At the very least it would be a new experience for each of them. Julie was already taking birth control pills, but Stephen uses a condom too, just to be safe. They both enjoy making love, but they decide not to do it again. they keep the night as a special secret, which makes them feel even closer to each other.

What do you think about that; was it okay for them to make love?

no1doyen


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Message Posted:
22/10/2008 00:55

Personally I find it immoral. However it does happen and there's not a lot anyone can do about it.

no1doyen


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Message Posted:
22/10/2008 01:00

I suppose you could take that scenario further and ask the same question but instead if saying they were brother and sister you could say they were brothers. How would people react to that?

PtePike



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Message Posted:
22/10/2008 01:03

How would people react to father and daughter or mother and son, you may as well add.

Lemtich



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Message Posted:
22/10/2008 01:28

This incest thing lies deeply within our genes. We don't do it because the biological consequences are dire.



Lets have more debate on the revenge situation.



Lem

PtePike



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Message Posted:
22/10/2008 01:45

Lem,



What I touched on is as illegal as the initial subject. Your use of the word "revenge" sums things up nicely. It's all punishable by heavy jail sentences. All I would say is I'm sure I would be sorely tempted for revenge, but am convinced I would stay true to my own ideals and the proper boundaries of my own community. Civilised (socialised?) behaviour is what separates us from wild animals, after all.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
22/10/2008 01:47

msge 12



Hi Bill



Students of psychology are asked this question in the context of morals. People respond saying it is immoral. Teachers point out that there was no chance of pregnancy. The point that is made is that morality is important to us and some psychologists argue that we are too moral



Apologies to Lem and everyone else for taking this thread of course.

Please get back to the revenge situation

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
22/10/2008 02:07

msge 15 Lem



If you lack impulse control and are troubled by a general sense of injustice you may be inclined to seek revenge. If you are not able to experience guilt then this wouldn't help either.



Before the rule of laws were imposed individuals would take revenge to show other tribe members or people from other tribes that murderous behaviour would end in their own demise. Hence the old testamant 'an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth'. It would be a show of strength spurned by a sense of rage and emotional turmoil.



If you have impulse control, can experince guilt and you feel that your society/tribe sets adequate measures for punishment then you would probably allow the law to do it's job. Besides the law doesn't allow you to take revenge. You too would be punished.

w26kay



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Message Posted:
22/10/2008 02:39

Ah Incest - a game the whole family can play.

(it is a joke before anyone picks me up on it) although not apparently in some surburbs in the UK.

craig2536


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Message Posted:
22/10/2008 09:00

there was a case like this in the UK, Kent I think. A boy was run over a killed while riding his bike by a tipper lorry. The driver had no licence or insurance and was blind in one eye and the lorry did not have a mot. At the court hearing the driver laughed into the face of the boys father after he got a sentence of about 2 years. The father waited for his release from jail, knocked on his door and shot him with a shotgun. There was tremendous public sympathy for the father in Kent at the time. But I am sure he went to prison for much longerthan the driver. I think it is a very hard thing to answer, put in those terrible tragic conditions, how each person reacts is different. How we cope with grief is individual.

brian24001


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Message Posted:
22/10/2008 09:31

perhaps other countries should follow the lead of Norway, kill anyone with a car whilst over the limit, you are tried for murder.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
22/10/2008 09:38

Kay,



Is it not "Roll your own"?

Groucho



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Message Posted:
22/10/2008 09:53

Doyen



An eye for an eye is often quoted in these and similar circumstances.. however you should understand that in the context within which it is extracted from the Old Testament of the Bible it was a plea to those carrying out reprisals to lessen the level of punishment, you see it was very common for an offender to lose their life in punishment for a minor crime, e.g. steal an apple, get put to death, you get the idea....



It is my understanding that "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" is an English translation of the hebrew text asking for moderation, it's just that in this world we see it as rather a call for extreme punishment....

authentichoccie


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Message Posted:
22/10/2008 10:16

Re Message 20 The guy that shot the b***** that knocked his son off his bike in Kent was one of my Mums cousins!

It was a terrible tragedy and the father was grief stricken as you'd expect. But this truck driver was a well known nasty piece of work he had no driving licence or insurance and only one eye!! He didn't recieve a very long sentence and never showed any remorse. So you have to ask how you would feel seeing the man who had killed your child driving around your town getting on with his life when yours had been destroyed?

There was a lot of public support locally for my mums cousin but again i think a lot of it was because of who the truck driver was, maybe if it had been a middle aged family guy it would of been different.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
22/10/2008 10:30

It would seem then that no one would actually take the law into their own hands and take the life of someone who had killed their only child.

fire starter


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Message Posted:
22/10/2008 12:31

i would like to think the answer would be no.

but if that person got away light in the courts then maybe the answer would be yes.



my neighbours daughter of 3 years old(when i lived in a suffolk village) was sexually assaulted by 3 local boys who were all a bit older.

so i have seen what this sort of stuff does to people first hand.

the mother turned to the church and went all religious and the boys got away with it because of their ages.

it was a terrible situation as all the parents of the boys ganged up on her, said she was a liar, but she caught them in the act.

jonnytwoscoop



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Message Posted:
23/10/2008 23:58

sorry but YES I would

w26kay



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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 01:02

My eldest son was in intensive care by an attack by a bouncer. He was 19 and had done nothing. His jaw was broken and dislocated intentionally by this man who was not licenced to operate as a bouncer. He was protecting his younger brother who was drunk on his 18th birthday and trying to sober him up in a nightclub toilet. My son spent a week in intensiive care..... His attacker went down for 4 years. I could have killed him and did say to the local police that if they did not arrest him, they would have to arrest me with a baseball bat. Luckily they know me, but I meant it. I would have gone to the nightclub and done some damage, the Police stopped me.

w26kay



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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 02:34

When this matter went to Court I supported my boys for the first two days of the trial, amazingly their father turned up on the last day! I was there on the thiird day too.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 07:10

No!........



wyn

simbas



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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 08:54

very thought provoking , i would like to say no and that it would make me no better than persons themselves , i would like to think that i am a kind and thoughful person to other peoples situations and therefore think of the impact on the said persons family , but it involved my family alas i cannot say these things , makes me wonder if i know myself at all !

simbas

flowerfairy


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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 08:59

Anyone kills my daughter or grandson.....................

watch this space..................................

my life wouldn't be worth living anyway, I don't think I'd be thinking about

whether i was a nice person.

Oh please God, I hope i'm never in that situation.

craig2536


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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 09:04

I agree with flowerfairy.

My 3 sons, wife , sister, niece nephew and my parents.

Yes I would

cooper


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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 09:16

Would kill for a bacon sarnie right now !

flowerfairy


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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 09:32

Good on yer Kay, I hate bullies too.

My husband and friends were recently threatened, scared the s'''t out of my

friends.

Damage was done to our property, which, of course couldn't be proved, they

don't ask for an audience whilst wrecking you r property!!!!!!



it was classed as a civil matter!!!!!!!!what's civil about that????????



I don't really blame the police, with all the paperwork and loopholes in the law,

they don't really stand a chance convicting criminals with all the do gooders putting their oar in.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 11:07

Do you think there is an argument for forming Vigilante groups in certain areas of the UK?

PtePike



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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 11:57

Msg 36,



No, because among the well intentioned they inevitably attract thugs and the ignorant. Leave law enforcement to those trained and commissioned to do it and give us the resources to carry it out.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 11:58

cooper: "Would kill for a bacon sarnie right now !"



And as the Yorkshire Ripper said: "I could murder a couple of tarts."

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 15:10

PP. The trouble is the police aren't given the resources to enable them to carry out their duties - hence some of the problems.

fire starter


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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 15:28

i think the trouble is with the set up of uk law.



time and time again the guilty get away with it on a technicality.



or when they plead guilty get a lesser sentance.



how many chances do some people get before they are convicted? too many!!!!



community service is a joke to a criminal.



in my eyes all teenagers make mistakes and should have one chance to have learnt by it.



after that the person should be sent to jail. to work and learn a skill.



not one of these softly softly places with duvets and tv's.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 15:32

I agree fire starter. The courts are not issuing sentences with the severity they should.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 16:38

Better start building lots of new prisons, then, because they're full enough as it is and breaking human rights through overcrowding will cost even more in compensation payments. On the other hand, we could take a hard look at why we lock up more offenders than most other countries and maybe learn some valuable lessons.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 16:58

Thats very true PP. Back to the question of morality then? Why do we lock up more offenders than any other country? Is there a specific age group you are referring to?

PtePike



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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 17:18

Doyen,



I'm in the middle of work at the moment but you could Google the stats. Most of my customers are 18-30. All I know is I'm out at weekends rolling about on the floor trying to arrest drunken thugs, get them processed, charged, released, first court appearence, bailed, plead guilty to reduced charge at second (police assault often goes out although we have cuts and bruises to prove it) they get four months, out after two then back again the next weekend for more of the same. It's a revolving door. Society needs to change from within but this can't be achieved without loadsamoney to reduce poverty and improve communities. While all the reactionary old fools shout: "Lock 'em up and thrown away the key!" OK, here's my speedcuffs, spray, baton and body armour. You bloody do it. (not you personally, Doyen )

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 17:33

I wonder if the 'drunken thuggery' has increased since all day drinking was introduced. I know some people will say 'Oh well it doesn't happen in Europe and they drink all day' but in europe they don't really drink all day, do they?

We do have a huge problem with the drinking culture in this country. I would assume that most members on this board drink frequently, but I bet they don't get 'smashed out of their heads' and want to start attacking people. It only seems to happen in the UK, why?

mitsi


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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 18:14

I would like to think NO I wouldn't kill but honestly don't know unless it happens to me. I do believe that you reap what you so and that you will be punished in this life or after in the next or the next. Everything happens for a reason. However, don't know how people live with themselves once they have killed. My cure for paedophiles would be pre-frontal lobotomy to take their entire sex drive away and those who torture/kill children should be given to medical experiments for the benefit of drug trials etc; Use them instead of animals, who have done nothing to deserve being exploited by us in this way.Prison costs a fortune and the taxpayer foots the bill for them to be REHABILITATED and returned to society to carry on just as before.

no1doyen


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Message Posted:
24/10/2008 19:52

bring back capital punishment.

phylray



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Message Posted:
25/10/2008 01:17

There were still murders when capital punishment existed, and

some of those who were executed should not have been. If killing is wrong

then it is wrong whoever does it. The executioner (read Pierrepoint's memoirs) takes on the task on behalf of society and one person has to do it.

Most of the more horrific crimes are committed while the perpertrator

is under the influence of alcohol or other drugs. When these are so readily

available and cheap how can you control people who can't cope?

phylray



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Message Posted:
25/10/2008 01:30

p.s. I don't believe you are punished in any life hereafter. Your heaven

and hell are on this earth, and we have to make the best we can of it.

Turtle


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Message Posted:
25/10/2008 01:42

MSG44... I was brought up in somewhat poverty my parents had nothing but they made sure I had food in my belly and that I had respect for other people and respect for society.

This cost nothing only the decent values of decent people.

Now you can blame society and communities you can blame the parents, govenments even the police but at the end of the day its down to each and every person to teach and learn respect and yes I would lock them up and lock em up for a long time because as you say its a revolving door so lets stop the door spinning and keep this scum inside, this is a tax I would gladly pay to see this low life off the streets so decent law abiding people can enjoy their day to day life.

Lets stop pandering to PC systems and do something about it because the current system is simply not working.

w26kay



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Message Posted:
25/10/2008 02:20

Carrying on from mssg 29. My boys father told me that he "would do something" if this thug walked. How brave? For months, I had a mission, found out where he lived, worked etc., and although illegal, had put into motion what would happen if he walked.... I guarantee to you that plans were made with the "not so very nice people in society" that if he walked out of that Courtroom he would never have "walked" again for what he put my boys and me though. My son's face is pinned together with screws and plates, he even sets off the machine at the airport. The jury took just 20 minutes to convict him. All through the trial this thug tried to intimidate me and the boys. The worst time was when he gave his evidence on the second day. He knew I was a single mum and he stared me out the whole time. Moreso when he had finished his evidence and walked past us (barrier between) to the back of the court. I didnt look away. I wanted to jump the barrier and pin him to the floor.

w26kay



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Message Posted:
25/10/2008 02:34

Pikey mssg 42

The government are not going to build new prisons, particularly now. This is not a priority and they have already overspent handing out our money to the banks.

The prisons are full of overstayers, that is what is clogging up the system. They need to deal with this, but as they don't want the public to know just how many illegal immigrants are in the country, they wont. I remember the announcement last year to the judiciary on less serious crimes that they should fine/community service offenders because the prisons were full. Our criminal department had a field-day. No custodials on that day, even the perpetrator of a vicious assault/mugging of a little old man in the street for his pension. He was hospitalised, the perpetrator was free to roam around. A bit like licence to do it again. Justice? It really stinks. This government has f****d it up. A short sharp shock as in the 70's and not the holiday camp as prison is today would work. It's not rocket science.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
25/10/2008 07:38

Kay



Old Willie Whitelaw of the Thatcher days promised it but they never really delivered... It seems prison institutions have gotten inexorably softer over the years.....



"You know they're gonna kill ya. So, like... if you give 'em a quick short, sharp shock, they don't do it again. Dig it? I mean he got off lightly, 'cos I could've given him a thrashing - I only hit him once!

It was only a difference of right and wrong in it... I mean good manners don't cost nothing do they? 'Ey!"



Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon...



Oh and a propro "It's not rocket science."



I used this phrase only once... when applying for a job with NASA... they weren't impressed...

flowerfairy


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Message Posted:
25/10/2008 08:18

I'm sorry, but if a crime is committed whilst under the influence of drink or drugs, there is still no excuse.......If you did the crime....you do the time.

As far as human rights are concerned, hardened criminals have forgone

their human rights, once a child has been molested, or a murder, the likes of Jamie Bulger, and the likes of Kay's son's bully , what is human about that????



Go back to the 'old' days, prison should be just that. it worked years ago, bread and porridge, a hard bed with maybe a blanket, yeah, a nice itchy one.

forget the tele's sports/recreation.



If 'prisons' were PRISONS there wouldn't, I'm sure be so many re offenders.

Turtle


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Message Posted:
25/10/2008 12:46

Its all this Human Rights Crap ?

If someone commits a crime and is found guilty then certain human rights should be withdrawn and they should be punished accordingly.



Leys have a points system, everytime you get done more points are added and when you get to a set amount bingo thats when it gets a bit too uncomfortable for this low life.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
25/10/2008 21:37

Msg 55,



I disagree. Both my parents and I'm sure those of some other members fought against fascism and I don't like hearing that kind of talk. You'll be suggesting piano wire next.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
25/10/2008 21:51

I really really hate this lynch mob mentality... you know they used to hang innocent people...



I abhor violence but I abhor violence committed in the name of justice (on reportedly, my behlaf) even more...



I know there are just wars and I also know that wars waged on countries to secure oil supplies are immoral in the extreme.



No I would not want one of my family killed or mutilated by a madman or a drunk driver but neither would I contemplate adding to my anguish by killing in retribution... I of course reserve the right to change my mind as humans often do...

Lemtich



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Message Posted:
25/10/2008 21:52

My grandad died at Autzwitz!



Lem

Turtle


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Message Posted:
25/10/2008 21:56

Pike keep rolling around on the floor then..............................thats if this is what you actually do on a sturday night

PtePike



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Message Posted:
25/10/2008 22:00

Lem,



I'm so sorry. What was your grandad doing at Auswitz?

PtePike



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Message Posted:
25/10/2008 22:00

How did he die, Lem...?

Lemtich



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Message Posted:
25/10/2008 22:11

He fell off a machine gun tower!



Lem

Groucho



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Message Posted:
25/10/2008 22:13

A repeat outing for a very funny punchline...

no1doyen


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Message Posted:
25/10/2008 22:22

Lem, that was funny. I didn't see that coming!!

Lemtich



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Message Posted:
25/10/2008 22:26

I used to like tractors, growing up in the country, I learnt to drive them before I could read or write.



I went to agricultural shows, tractor competitions, the lot.



But not any more, that part of my life is over, I've had it with tractors!



Lem

w26kay



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Posts: 479

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 01:03

Groucho I used to think like you until reality of the ugliness of society jumped up and bit me and attacked my son.



Anyway, there are no such things as hangings anymore, unfortunately.



I too abhor violence but when one of your own is affected that particular sentiment is thrown out of the window and discarded for the absolute disgust and hatred you have for some thug who has damaged one of your own. Double standards maybe. It's called reality and the times we live in. You will protect your own by any way you can, and that's a fact.







I know there are just wars and I also know that wars waged on countries to secure oil supplies are immoral in the extreme.







No I would not want one of my family killed or mutilated by a madman or a drunk driver but neither would I contemplate adding to my anguish by killing in retribution... I of course reserve the right to change my mind as humans often do

w26kay



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Message Posted:
26/10/2008 01:08

please disregard the last two paragraphs as I forgot to remove Groucho's post . Ooops sorry.

Lemtich



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Message Posted:
26/10/2008 01:20

I'm what you might like to call is an...



ex-tractor fan!



Lem

Groucho



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Message Posted:
26/10/2008 12:02

Lem are you in the right forum thread?



Kay,



I agree you have the right to complete hatred of the person/s who would commit such an act. However if I saw you about to kill the perpetrator I would feel obliged to try and stop or dissuade you... because it would ruin your life and thereby that of your son who has already been hurt enough.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
26/10/2008 12:32

Lem,



Where's the gratitude for my TWO openers for your excellent punchline?

Ossie


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Message Posted:
26/10/2008 12:40

Yes,yes,yes.An eye for an eye.To hell with the do gooders, thats why the UK is in the state it is now.If you kill no matter how, you pay the price.

Lemtich



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Message Posted:
26/10/2008 14:09

Sorry pike.



Yes, I'm very grateful.



Pearls before swine, just pearls before swine.



Lem

dozza67


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Message Posted:
26/10/2008 16:00

This is the umpteenth time I have tried to post my reply to this. It was



NO

Coachie



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Message Posted:
26/10/2008 21:21

Hi all ..Unfortunately you cannot be charged in the UK for killing a person whilstbeing drunk and driving a car.The charge is manslaugter or causing death whilst under the in fluence of alcohol. If they were to be charged with murder I think you see a sharp drop in this particular crime.....

Groucho



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Message Posted:
26/10/2008 22:02

What about if a drunk driver only injures a person? Still hang-em?



Cars are inately dangerous... maybe anyone who gets done for DIC should be banned for life.. whether or not they hit someone else... it's only a matter of time let's face it.... or do you think that's a bit harsh?



I do think drivers who do 150 MPH driving their Porche/Ferrari should (once their ban is lifted) be restricted to a low-power car so that they can't do it again and the offender can't claim economic hardship would result...



I'm fed with hearing how company director's business's will suffer if they are banned and this will put x amount of people out of work... tosh I say. Let him drive a fiesta 1.2... plus everyone will know they are a plonker when the see his car in the MDs parking slot...



footballers the same... take away their toys.

Coachie



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Message Posted:
26/10/2008 22:09

groucho.. I think there was a case somewhere in England a few years ago where the MD of a company took away his reps Mondeos or similar and gave them all Skodas because he was fed up with the excessive fuel bills he was paying only cused by speed. The reps got the message after a fw months,akin to your idea of making them drive smaller cars ...

PtePike



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Message Posted:
26/10/2008 22:18

Here's one wot I wrote earlier:



http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.2434609.0.driver_who_killed_himself_and_home_help_was_to_blame.php

no1doyen


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Message Posted:
26/10/2008 22:31

PP , what a handsome chap in that photograph- is he a relation of yours?

PtePike



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Message Posted:
26/10/2008 22:44

Doyen, I knew him in the 90s.

Coachie



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Message Posted:
27/10/2008 13:50

To all of those who would like to kill some on in the UK get as p....d as a newt get acar and run him over.you only get charged with manslaughter,no really it makes afarce of the legal system.Rob atrain or abank you get thirty years.Manslaughter 10years... The whole judicial system of sentancing needs an overhaul.....

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
27/10/2008 15:06

You are so right coachie.

Rocker



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Message Posted:
27/10/2008 15:10

As a person whose only son and only child was killed by a drunk driver some 20 years ago and he got 3 points and 60 pound fine (Daddy was rich, hired a top barrister) Thats not justice. But no I would not kill him I want him to suffer like I do.

Coachie



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Message Posted:
27/10/2008 15:37

Rocker...I truly sympathise for your loss..but he will soon forget about it and think how lucky he was to get off so lightly.Like Isaid previously a complete mockery of our sentancing system

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
27/10/2008 15:51

Sorry to hear that Rocker. You must be devastated.

Rocker



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Message Posted:
27/10/2008 16:17

Tyhanks Guys

Rocker