Bizarre Statement From Irsen Kucuk

Zoots


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 17:17

Prime Minister İrsen Küçük has stated that it is against the TRNC Constitution for Cyprus Turkish citizens who are enlisted on the TRNC electoral roll to also have the right to vote in general elections in South Cyprus.

In a written statement the Premier explained that in order to vote in elections in South Cyprus you have to have a permanent residency permit adding that in order to get the right to vote or to be elected in the TRNC you have to have 3 years permanent residency in the country.

“Therefore the presences of TRNC citizens at the TRNC electoral roll who are also going to vote in South Cyprus is against the TRNC Constitution” he added.

http://www.trncpio.org/trncpio/en/index.asp?sayfa=haberdetay&newsid=1380



So it's OK to import thousands of illegal settlers from Turkey to the north and give them "citizenship" but "unconstitutional" for TCs exercise their right to vote in the south. TRNC constitution = Andrex.

erolz


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 17:24

It is not unconsitutional for TC to exercise their right to vote in the RoC. Nor did Kucuk say that nor does the TRNC consitution say that, thats just you saying that zoots. If as a TC you are resident in the RoC then you can, following a legal recourse by a TC to the ECHR, vote in the RoC general elections. Nothing in the TRNC consitution prohibits you from doing this. If as a TC and you are are resident in the TRNC then you can vote in all elections in the TRNC. What you can not do is be resident in both places simultaneously and thus can not vote in both but in one or the other, dependant on where you reside, which is plain common sense. No representation without taxation.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 17:44

John (sorry I meant Zoots) going off half cocked again.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 17:48

Erolz

'Our John' (sorry I meant Zoots) is a sniper. He delights in posting untruths about the TRNC but then he hides behind the parapet and does not engage in any further fire until he finds a new target.

yrret


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 17:53

John who?



Just and impartial question in case I am being implicated

Zoots


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 18:00

AJ,

You clearly didn't read my post properly. Kucuk talks about a "constitution" in a place where thousands of illegal immigrants are given the vote in order to outnumber Turkish Cypriots and impose Turkish policies in the north. Compounding a war crime, in other words. And the joker tries to lecture about voting in the RoC.

erolz


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 18:06

Its just, yet again, a shame that some continue to present 'non issues' as mountains when they are not even molehills, when there are very real issues to do with rights to vote that should be being addressed in a serious manner. Namely the rights of non citizen residents to vote, at least at the local / municpal level. Now that is a real issue. Residents who are not citizens SHOULD have a franchise. They should get some representation for their taxation. I firmly believe that and would hope that it could help in a whole raft of other very real issues for non citizen residents in the TRNC. I would welcome a non citizen resident testing this in the ECHR, would support them any way I could and think the chances that such an action would result in the TRNC having to give some kind of franchise to non citizen residents is very high. However real issues like these get drowned in the morass of made up issues and lies like non citizens have no recourse to ECHR. Shame.

erolz


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 18:16

Zoots msg 6



You could and in fact you often have and do, use the same 'argument' to deride anything said by any represenative of the TRNC about anything. You can and do do this, which is your right, but to pretented such is 'debate' is risible. It is just rehtoric nothing more.

Scoty


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 18:30

Looks like another zoots/ erolz love in here!!!!!

YFred


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 18:49

This is not that uncommon. People in Scotland vote for the English Parliament as well as the Scottish one. What is the problem with that. So do the welsh, but then again they are special case owing to sheep and wellingtons.



İrsen Küçük is just showing how small minded he is.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 21:14

Zoots

Tell me all you know about illegal immigrants in the ROC and more to the point how many non EU immigrants have become citizens in the ROC. I am thinking in particular about a certain country that has Mafia installed in the South. It is surprising what money can buy in a corrupt country.

GinaC


Joined: 26/11/2010
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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 21:34

Zoots, history repeatng itself again surely not! We cannot wait for your answer to AJ's question in message 11 but once again you will go quiet no doubt but for clarirty *how many non EU immigrants have become citizens in the ROC*. You and MM are so out of touch as to what is really happening over here and by here we mean Cyprus you should reconnect with your TC and GC friends

andre514


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 21:38

I think it is jolly good that all these people

will now have the chance of trnc citizenship

after all, they aren't going nowhere are they?



this is what is meant by "facts on the ground"

a rather hackneyed expression but expressive



...bit like "two state solution"

Zoots


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 21:39

I've no concern about EU migration to Cyprus because it's legal. I just don't have much time for people who support war crimes. They have no moral compass hence hang around in small - and increasingly smaller - groups.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 21:43

pikey



war crimes ,which ones in particular were you thinking of.





musin



long live the kktc

Zoots


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 21:54

Msg 15 Musin,

I will answer to Zoots. Ethnically cleansing captured territory and colonising the area with illegal settlers is a war crime.

>>Since the Turkish invasion, a large number of Turks have been brought to the north from Anatolia in violation of Article 49 of the Geneva Convention and hence a war crime, to occupy the homes of the Greek Cypriot refugees.[41][42]<< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus

Presumably mass rape, murder, execution of prisoners, torture and other abominations - all of which Turkey was found guilty of committing in 1974 - are simply tactics of the Turkish Army.



Long Live the PDSA

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 22:20

John (sorry I meant Zoots)

At least have the decency to answer my posting 11.

Or yet again are you going to skirt around questions that you do not want to answer.

erolz


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 22:30

Yfred msg10, the situation with the UK is very different, as it is a 'united' kingdom and the scottish parliament and welsh assembly are subservient to the english parliament from which they derive their powers.



The issue is simply one of , do you allow citizens that are not resident in the home country to vote or not. Some countries do and some do not. Given that the TC diaspora is larger than the resident citizen populations I do not think not allowing non resident citizens a vote is unresonable. If he was saying no resident citizens, resident in any other country than the RoC could vote but those in the RoC could not, that would be a real issue. This is a total non issue imo.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 22:32

AJ re 11



I hope you don't mind me 'answering' - you desiring facts n'all ;)..



>>Tell me all you know about illegal immigrants in the ROC and more to the point how many non EU immigrants have become citizens in the ROC. I am thinking in particular about a certain country that has Mafia installed in the South. It is surprising what money can buy in a corrupt country.<<





Before, meeting EU requirements it WAS all too easy to pitch up with a suitcase - and open a RoC bank account



As someone who pitched up in 2001 - I can tell you those days had long gone..



I can also tell you that I knew PLENTY of very wealthy folk from soviet republics who were allowed to reside - but had no right to work - no voting rights..



Indeed, I know folk who applied for citizenship - the criteria is hard- and are still waiting 5 years after applying



FACT: Most illegal immigrants are arriving across the 'Green line'...



Any time you wish to discuss factual stuff re the 'rump' RoC - I'm

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 22:32

(cont)

Any time you wish to discuss factual stuff re the 'rump' RoC - I'm your man

andre514


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 22:54

zoots message 16:



had a look at the wikipedia article you pasted in

all fairly par for the course, but at the very end,

it said:



"citation needed"

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
24/05/2011 23:36

............but it's all fine for Turkish living overseas to do it!



http://www.law.ed.ac.uk/citmodes/files/turkey.pdf

erolz


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 23:44

As I say yorgozlu wether a given country allows non resident citizens to vote or not varies from country to country. I think a major factor is the relevant sizes of the two groups to be honest. When you have a situation where the non resident citizen voters are larger in number than resident ones, you have possibility for all sorts of problematioc results. You may for example have a senario where a government is voted in that is not supported by those who live in the country and who pay taxes to the country, but is voted into power by citizens living abroad that do not suffer the consequences of that governments actions and do not fund it. I doubt you can find a country with a non resident citizen popluation as proportionately large as the TRNC has that does not have some residency requirtment on citizens to vote. Turkey has a lot of non resident citizens but no where near the number the TRNC has % wise.

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 23:54

AJ/Msg 11:



Having lived in RoC for 25 years, don't I know it!



How, absolutely, right you are!



Bedtime now!!!

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
24/05/2011 23:59

erolz;

Thats all fine by me,however,I was able to vote on 5 general elections in UK whilst residing there and having a TRNC ID card in my pocket at the same time.What I'm trying to point out is,Turkish citizens that are in hold of TRNC citizenship can and do vote here as well as in Turkey!

I was in Hatay last week and on my way back at the airport I've met few that are TRNC citizens that had flown there just to vote for upcoming elections.

Zoots


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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 11:25

AJ, I don't have the information to answer your query and would rather not give an inaccurate answer.