Eroğlu - "an agreement can only be reached with mutual give and take"

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
28/05/2011 15:58

President Derviş Eroğlu has said they are aiming to sign an agreement which will provide peace and confidence to the people of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. Speaking during an event yesterday, Eroğlu said he is trying to carry out a task that was given by the TRNC people in the best way however he has to negotiate with a representative of a mentality which has excessive demands.



He also stressed that an agreement can only be reach with a mutual give-and-take.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
28/05/2011 16:04

http://www.brtk.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=28474:eroglu-an-agreement-can-only-be-reached-with-a-mutual-give-and-take&catid=5:kktc&Itemid=28

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
29/05/2011 09:48

It's a shame he can't apply the same logic to cheated property buyers!

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
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Message Posted:
29/05/2011 10:51

Eroğlu makes "sensible" sounding statements, that may make him sound like a wise man! Typical of many politicians in Cyprus - when what they actually are saying is "2+2=4"... Well, that's cool, but you do not need to be a rocket scientist to work that one out! It's like some PR guy telling him "make some noise so that people do not forget you exist".

bigOz


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Message Posted:
29/05/2011 11:03

Addendum;

We have had these bi-communal talks for many decades with nothing much happening. Mainly due to changing ruling parties on both sides. I think the best way to make progress might be to set up two boards on both sides, with members from all parties, who would get together every week with the UN representative and argue for a solution. Each time, the proposals must be voted by the members as "approves" or "disapproved". Those approved will be one less obstacle in the way of a solution. But first, both sides must be signatory to an agreement stating "all approved solutions will form the basis for the creation of the Federal Republic unreservedly".

That way there will be no track changes half way through negotiations, and no single party would be blamed or appraised for the agreed conditions to create the new Republic. But I guess that is too easy for personal interests or benefits of some.

treemancyprus


Joined: 13/08/2008
Posts: 82

Message Posted:
29/05/2011 11:37

Bought a book the other day at Larnaca airport - 'Cyprus - a modern history' by William Mallinson. For a book available in the RoC, it is fairly even-handed when discussing the Cyprus problem. Still refers to the events of 1974 as 'invasion' rather than intervention, but does seem to agree that the G.C.'s brought it on themselves due to the actions of the Greek junta to overthrow Makarios and effect forced enosis in Cyprus.

Would recommend this book to anyone wanting to build a balanced library of opinion and commentary on events in Cyprus.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
29/05/2011 12:32

many cypriots lost their homes or perhaps their lives from 1963 to 1974,

so applying natural or man-made remedies or even to resolve arguments

let alone create trust, is tricky in a changed balance of power on the island



certainly, interested parties could in theory agree a compromise

and international wise heads would include in this, turkey's army leaving cyprus

with a cast-iron security "guarantee" being offered the cypriot-turkish population

...but remember the srebrenica massacre where the very concept of

international protection even inside civilized europe suffered yet another body-blow



as regards any compromise on the property issue this was roundly rejected by the gc

side in 2004 and in statements by the (south) cyprus president on various ocassions



then why so much discussion on "cyprus 44"?



because of the mainly imaginary insecurities of ex-pat householders,

and of course the lure of enhanced land values in the event of an agreed settlement

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
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Message Posted:
29/05/2011 13:04

The first thing to do is have a referendum on both sides to see if there is a true desire for a solution, or whether each side should go their own way. If the vote is for a solution, the bickering and nationalism should stop and an all out effort made - if against, then this shard should stop.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
29/05/2011 16:02

message 8:



yes of course, should common ground be discovered, a referendum

could endorse any compromise settlement,

...but there are some inherant problems, as others have pointed out



firstly it depends on the exact nature of the question, ie the way it is

worded can more-or-less determine the result, think eu, scotland etc



secondly and more elusive than that, while both sides could be said

to desire a "solution" each of the main protagonists would very likely

prefer a solution that is totally unacceptable to the other side



and thirdly there would have to be serious convergence on the nature

of cyprus problems, rather than a one-size-fits-all solution in a vacuum



lastly, there is very little evidence from cyprus history that any agreement

on a scrap of paper, endorsed by the un, signed off in a carefully-worded

public vote, would stay the course or even survive in the long-term