Now we know which side the Australians are on

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
29/05/2011 18:06

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/cyprus-conflict-defies-ready-solution/story-e6frg6so-1226065144483

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
29/05/2011 18:11

Great report.



Always thought DEMETRIS Christofias was a communist @ heart.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
29/05/2011 18:12

good post aj .

Rottolover



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Message Posted:
29/05/2011 19:52

Yes, AJ, a very perceptive and well-thought out post.



But I'm a little puzzled...by "the Australians", did you mean all Australians, The Australian, or the journo who wrote the piece?

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
29/05/2011 20:25

Hi Ian

Well the paper (online) claims to represent the 'heart of the nation' so I guess the plural was exactly what I meant but I was hoping to get some responses from our antipodean members. I am no stranger to Australia as I have worked out in Perth/Freo for sometime on the Varunus Island project (the explosion had nothing to do with me, honest) and know very well what the majority of the population think of the outside world.

Rottolover



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Message Posted:
29/05/2011 20:36

Then I guess you're also familiar with what the majority of the population think of "whinging Poms", too...



By the way, as a Fremantle football fan (the real game, not that cry-baby farce we see currently), I could claim to represent the views of all Australians as well, but others may not readily agree.



And if your intention with the "outside world" put-down was in any way derogatory, could I just mention that the "outside world", as you call it, no longer exists in reality, even for Fremantle.



It hasn't since about the advent of the jet engine...

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
29/05/2011 20:54

Ian

I never ever made it to Rottnest island as I was too busy working which was more than could be said of my Australian counterparts. Anyway breaking out the dart board and a few tinnies at 3.30 in the afternoon in the office was a good trick as it meant that was the countdown to going home. They gave me the keys to the office in the end because they could not understand why I wanted to start work before 10am, only take 30 minutes for lunch and stay on after 4pm.

But the beach barbies (barbecues as well as girls) at the weekend were to die for.

Anyway the sole purpose of my posting was not to antagonise anyone but more about stimulating debate.

Oh and the last time I was in Freo the only way of getting out was if you were livestock and then you could only get to the Middle East. I remember the smells well.

Bowman


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Message Posted:
29/05/2011 21:04

So AJ,



Then you have no recent evidence of what Australia is like, apart from maybe watching Neighbours and you definately have no idea of what Western Australia is like now,as per your post. As a Mod you shouldnt post personal insults "I remember the smells as well", dont try to pass that off as an observation coz, you know you didnt mean that! Western Australia is the most desired destination for the UK diaspora, cant be bad, and obviously smells better than it did when you were there.

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
29/05/2011 21:16

Not taking sides, but certainly speaking for myself, I was in WA in December/January visiting our son, who now lives there. I thought it was an absolutely great place. Clean, well organised, friendly people and, of course, beaches to die for.



One thing I would say is that, as visitors, we found it very expensive. However, this is relative to the wages available to those who work there.



Like AJ, we didn't, unfortunately, get to Rottnest Island, as the cost of the ferry from Perth was A$89.00 return each, so, for a few dollars more, we spent a couple of nights down in Margaret River.



If I were 30 years younger, I would join all the other UK emigrants and "give it a go". I'd say WA is definitely doing something right

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
29/05/2011 21:20

Bowman

As a plumber you should know all about smells.

Where did you get the idea that I was a 'Mod'

You are of course right, I have no recent experience of Australia but my last experience of Freo was sitting outside of one of the lovely 'Art Deco' cafes and smelling nothing else but the stench of live sheep crammed into a multi story ship awaiting transfer to the Middle East. That smell will stay with me for a long time. So are you telling me that they do not carry out these shipments from Freo anymore?

Oh by the way 'Neighbours', is that the one with Kyle Minogue when she was a schoolgirl? If so then I admit that I did watch it 2 or 3 times but to be honest with you I did not realise they were still showing it.

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
29/05/2011 21:23

Dave - course they're still showing it. You've still got time to catch up

Rottolover



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Message Posted:
29/05/2011 21:25

AJ, if your only method of attempting to stimulate debate is to attempt to ridicule the Australian work ethic and the smells of the sheep ships in Fremantle Harbour, then I suggest it isn't working, and that you may have more success if you follow the lead of someone who can.



Someone like Dutch Crusader, perhaps. He seems pretty stimulating...

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
29/05/2011 21:36

Ian

No I am not that desperate.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
29/05/2011 21:39

Jeannie

Message 11

Are you telling me that Kyle is still playing the part of a schoolgirl? Where can I watch it? Sorry just taking some time out to check my blood pressure.

Bowman


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Message Posted:
29/05/2011 21:43

AJ,



No Kyle Minogue wasnt in Neighbours to my knowledge, Kylie was however.. As for the "Art Deco" cafes, as Fremantle was the main port for transporting convicts to Australia, then most buildings were constructed by the British Colonials, therefore the style of buildings is called Colonial, much the same as Cyprus really. You would have been in the "Cappucino Strip", some 3KMs from the port itself. Art Deco is predominately found in Miami...... Now, the Freo Doctor mustve been blowing a gale for you to have smelt the "stench" from the livestock ship, and I very much doubt that. Dont get me wrong, I totaly hate the way these sheep are transported. By the way, the UK was the largest importer of Australian Lamb until they joined the EU and forced a COMMONWEALTH RELATIVE to look elsewhere to export their goods.......

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
29/05/2011 21:47

Jeannie

Message 9

Don't get me wrong I liked Perth and the lifestyle that exist's there but I tend to see things from a non tourist point of view. Do they still have antiquated laws about drinking on a Sunday or have they moved on from that scenario?

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
29/05/2011 22:05

Bowman

Just shows how much interest I have in Kyl'i'e to have misspelt her name and I would like to apologise to her in person if you could kindly arrange it.

With respect to 'Colonial' and 'Art Deco' certainly all of the promotion material I brought back with me promotes Freo cafes as an 'Art Deco' environment. I am not disagreeing with you about the 'Colonial' aspect but my guess is that 'Art Deco' sounds a lot more romantic than 'Colonial'.

Believe me I smelt it because I had to ask my host's where the smell was coming from and it it was only after I was told about the location that I took a trip down to have a look. So are they still shipping live sheep from Freo?

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
29/05/2011 22:43

Dave - I think enough has been said about young Kylie for now; a man of your age can't be too careful when it comes to elevated blood pressure.



With regard to antiquated drinkinging laws, I must admit the bars/restaurants in the part of Perth where we stayed did tend to close quite early. However, I don't think this applied to Freo - place seemed very 'buzzy' when we were there at night.



PS I have to say that I'd describe the architecture as 'Colonial' rather than 'Art Deco' - very nice it is too.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
29/05/2011 22:58

"A former British colony, Cyprus's population is divided between ethnic Greeks and ethnic Turks. Since 1974, about 37 per cent of its territory has been controlled by a separatist state calling itself the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, recognised only by Turkey...."



Population is Cypriot

TRNC est. in 1983



So many errors! The article is not worth the print. One reporter doesn't signify the 'heart' of a nation.

Rottolover



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Message Posted:
30/05/2011 07:10

Sorry, Bowman, but the Fremantle Doctor blows daily from the south-west, and carries any port smells away to the north. For the sheep ships to be smelt in the Cappucino Strip requires a breeze from the north-west, which is quite infrequent. As in fact are the sheep ships. But such is the vindictiveness of one old man's memories that he probably is certain those ships are also a daily occurrence.



AJ, if I could find one piece written by a journo in a British paper slagging Turkey and the TRNC, would it then be fair comment for me to say that now we know which side all the British are on?

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
30/05/2011 08:32

Ian

Lighten up.

All my comments are tongue in cheek.

I originally wanted to discuss the article that I posted the link to, and I wanted some input from some of our Australian members so I could have better insight into whether the article was representative of the Australians attitude towards the Cyprus problem. Also there are some Australian Turkish Cypriots that I know are members of this board but so far they appear not to want to comment.

Hey Ho. Maybe it is time to put this thread to sleep.

Rottolover



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Message Posted:
30/05/2011 10:04

AJ, so are mine.



But you didn't answer my last question.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
30/05/2011 10:35

Ian

Fact: I read an article from a newspaper that purports to represent 'the heart of the (Australian) nation'.

Fact: I wanted to find out from native Australians whether this newspaper really did represent the 'heart of the nation' also I was hoping for some input from Australian Turkish Cypriots.

Re your question: 'if I could find one piece written by a journo in a British paper slagging Turkey and the TRNC, would it then be fair comment for me to say that now we know which side all the British are on?'



What the heck has that got to do with the purpose of my original post?.

This is going nowhere and I have requested that forum admin (if there is any around) close this thread.

JohnDownes


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Message Posted:
30/05/2011 10:40

As it happens I was in Swan View last January staying with my sister and our mother.

What a lovely place it seems to be. And at Freemantle all I smelt was the fish cooking at the harbour restaurant we went to. I suspect the place has been refurbished a bit since you were last there AJ.

hattikins


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Message Posted:
30/05/2011 12:42

AJ

I was in Brisbane recently and there was no smell of sheep s**t Dave, but there is a strong smell of bulls**t on here today, pour yourself another drink lad and let them get on with it, some people would argue with themselves just to score a point.

Rottolover



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Message Posted:
30/05/2011 12:50

AJ, if you decide to open a provocative thread, you really shouldn't complain if it draws a response.