69 percent of Turkish public supports EU membership, survey finds

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
01/06/2011 20:26

The rest of the survey results here:



http://www.todayszaman.com/news-245864--69-percent-of-turkish-public-supports-eu-membership-survey-finds.html

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
01/06/2011 20:38

Good article Dave. I was surprised that only 3 percent of the respondents stated that the biggest obstacle to Turkey's membership was the Cyprus issue. I thought it would have been higher than that.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
02/06/2011 01:40

Msg 2 maybe not that well imformed ?



or do not care?

andre514


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Message Posted:
02/06/2011 02:05

most if not all countries on the edge of europe are clamouring for membership:

think euro agri-billions, think free travel and work, think regional support and tourism



why even pipsqueak iceland, kosovo, sebia, albania and serbia are all waiting in line

...and half of ukraine too (if they could get away with it)



"cyprus is the biggest obstacle to turkish membership"



...apart from the resolute opposition of france, germany, netherlands, austria etc

whose voters say they would never agree to more muslim neighbours



and cyprus to the average european? well, "that's somewhere in greece isn't it?"

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
02/06/2011 09:59

AJ, re msg 1



thanks for posting this.. !







Re msg 3, Philbailey..



probably a combination of both..







re msg 4



You forgot Croatia, ( FYR) Macedonia, Monenegro - who ARE official candidates.. ;)



Albania, Kosovo and Serbia are potential candidates - NOT official candidates



Ukraine ? Sadly, not on the cards while under the control of a more pro-Russian party...



Cyprus - and the continued attempts by Turkey to flout the EU Ankara Accord - not allowing ALL EU member states reg'd planes to to overfly / land and ship to use TR's ports ( i.e 'rump' RoC ) - plays RIGHT into the hands of FR, D, NL, A :(



The smart move would have been to let 'rump' RoC ship planes in - in the same way Cyprus was recognised ( flag and all) for the Eurovision song contest when TR hosted it ...

Groucho



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Message Posted:
02/06/2011 10:05

69 percent of Turkish public supports EU membership



"Forgive them Father, they know not what they do"

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
02/06/2011 11:28

re msg 6



and you do, Groucho ? ;)



Even though the EU is financially flawed... *I* believe membership has promoted better upstanding and EU membership 'allows/ affords' old enemies to forge relationships based on trade - and with THAT follows other - better relations, in general.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
02/06/2011 13:12

13% of respondents said they wanted to join the EU because of democracy. Well they must definately be misinformed.



When was the EU about democracy? As a EU citizen I have never had a chance to vote for the EU leader. Nor is he accountable to me. In fact, I had never heard of the bloke until he was appointed.The system is closer to a dictatorship than a democracy.



As well as the monetary policy can I suggest the political structure is flawed. It is all about centralised control.



Trade within the EU and redistribution of wealth is good.

andre514


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Message Posted:
02/06/2011 13:20

message 5 mark:



thanks for your list of eu applicants and hopefuls



there is no contradiction at all between turkey's committment

to cyprus, and widespread support for eu membership by turks

...indeed, the government in ankara has said as much



but I'd agree with you that there is firm eu policy that no

membership of turkey will be permitted with the army still here



so that's it then? well, not quite...



firstly as we have seen, the virulent opposition of france and germany

as well as others, on domestic grounds ensure this will never be tested



secondly, eu rules are more bendable than the unschooled realize:



think "cyprus" joining in 2004 after statements that a divided island

would not be accepted

think financial and auditing jiggery-pokery over budgets and bailouts

think that if turkey is ever a serious contender, "means may be found"



the transport ban could simply be local politics,

just like eu voters don't really want a moslem nation of eighty mill

andre514


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Message Posted:
02/06/2011 13:24

of eighty millions, which could mean uk+turkey are a bigger voting bloc

than france+germany



and that would never do!

Clarissa2


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Message Posted:
02/06/2011 15:13

Re: Msg 8,

"As a EU citizen I have never had a chance to vote for the EU leader...The system is closer to a dictatorship than a democracy. "

Darling Douglas,

You have never had a chance to vote for the leader of your country either.

You can only vote for your MP, the same as you can vote for the MEP.

Why don't you call the UK a dictatorship?

Anyway I thought you were moose hunting with Sarah...



Re: Msg 5,

"Ukraine ? Sadly, not on the cards while under the control of a more pro-Russian party... "

mx6, Ukraine is not and has never been on the cards irrespective of the governing party. And won't be in the foreseeable future.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
02/06/2011 15:28

6Ms wait until Greece defaults and then see how lovely things in the EU are...

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
02/06/2011 15:59

msge 12



Dear sweetie pie



In voting for a UK MP I am also voting for the leader of that party. I can choose from a selection of leaders who tout for my business. In this process, I can assess their skills, capabilities, values, beliefs and policies. If they dont perform I can vote them down after a term in office. In rejecting the candiadte I am also rejecting their policies and strategy. All of which impact me.



In contrast, I could not choose van Rompuy from a selection of candidates. He was thust upon me, together with his values, policies and strategies. The same can be said for Ashton. I cant endorse or disagree with her foreign policies or how she uses her enormous budget. I cannot hold her accountable nor vote her out.



I believe the UK to be less democratic than Switzerland but considerably more democratic than the EU. So there is a continuum.



Darling, I am beginning to think you have a little soft spot for Palin. You like to mention her a lot.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
02/06/2011 16:03

sorry Groucho, you are probably a 'sweetie pie', but i meant message 11

Clarissa2


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Message Posted:
02/06/2011 19:45

Re: Msg13,



I don't care for Sarah P. But I'm very fond of Douglas !

andre514


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Message Posted:
02/06/2011 21:04

groucho,



the logic of the situation is that greece must surely default

but it will labelled a restructuring, rescheduling or whatever

...while eu mandarins continue to play for time



sister bendy would feel at home in brussels, see posting 9,

line 10