How do the local waiters get away with such SLEAZE?!

ozwozz86


Joined: 24/10/2008
Posts: 336

Message Posted:
25/10/2008 20:37

I met a couple on holiday the other day, (who had never been to North Cyprus) who were in the Tempo restaurant, where they said they were overly attended to by one of the waiters. In front of his girlfriend, one of the waiters told the man(who he had never met) that this dessert would give him ''great'' energy for the night ahead. He also told me how the waiters were constantly stary in a way that just screamed SLEAZE.



The man asked me if this was natural, for all waiters to be as forward and watchful as this. Unfortunately, i had to say in most cases yes. It makes me wonder how they can get away with comments and behaviour like this? Just how and why do they get so much praise?

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
25/10/2008 20:45

It may be the white woman thing. Back in 1995 my wife was sitting in the jeep in Kyrenia high street while I bought a paper at the newsagent. I came back to find her shaken and she pointed out a Turk who had asked her if she wanted sex. I chased him down into Tin Pan Alley and got him in a headlock, took him back and made him say sorry. We got clapped! But if you could charge them for leering you'd run out of cell space.

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
25/10/2008 20:53

osswoz,

Welcome to the forum.Please dont think that i am condoning this type of behaviour as i am totally against it.But i do think that it is unfair to think that this sort of thing only happens in northern cyprus as it doesnt.Unfortunateley it happens all over the world,

Paul.

ozwozz86


Joined: 24/10/2008
Posts: 336

Message Posted:
25/10/2008 20:54

i find it so pathetic its insane. its almost like the locals have never seen a blonde woman before, so they have to stare at her to the point of making her uncomfortable. i am a male, and will admit to a subtle glance if an attractive lady walks past, but what i have seen some men do here is nigh on disgusting.



i believe the locals have stopped asking the typical white woman directly for sex, like they did in 1995. from what i have seen they just ask directly if they...'want jiggy jiggy'. When i walk with my girlfriend down in town, the looks we get as an 'english couple' is insane. whites, blacks and asians have been living here for a long time now. they truly need to get over the fascination.

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
25/10/2008 21:05

ozwozz,

Afew years ago we had a holiday in Tunisia.My eldest was twelve at the time and had blonde hair.Everywhere that we went we where followed by leering men this carried on for the first few days until i could take it no more and completeley lost it,

Paul.

MUSIN M


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Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
25/10/2008 22:18

pike msg 2



did you have your wrestling outfit on







musin

a turkish cypriot living in london

long live the kktc

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
25/10/2008 22:28

Ozzwoz ...If you have not been to Egypt dont take your other half there cos she is likely to be offended and you asked to name your price for her.My daughters yougest is 15 and blonde and you had to see them to believe how they behaved.It appears that they would pay anything to have a blonde englishwoman as their wife....

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
25/10/2008 22:42

had exactly the same with my 15yo blonde haired blue eyed daughter in girne and escape last summer and a few years ago in marmaris with my girlfriend, rather too familiar.

andre 514


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Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
25/10/2008 23:03

pike,



was the guy's name abdul abulbul amir?



perhaps pike could team up with ivan skavinsky-skavar,

if that hasn't happened already...

maybe pike is a metephorical purveyor of male cow manure



I'd always imagined him sporting a scuffed dark green velvet jacket

replete with leather arm patches

and wearing a round professor's keppe with tassle

while ensconced in a buttoned bosun's chair,

sipping discreetly from a glass of barrel-aged slivovitsa

in his well-stocked library surrounded by much-thumbed calf-bound volumes

and rows and rows and rows of boxfiles of newspaper clippings



andre

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 00:06

Well, so you think it's just blondes that get this? I was standing in a

bus with an Irish friend whose wife was very black African, and she was

holding her baby in her arms (no seats for any of us) when she told this

young man to 'stop touching me' Yes, I know the scenario very well.

Her husband wagged his finger at the guy and good-humouredly said

"Now, now, behave" or something similar. I think a Turkish man would

have had his guts for garters, and who could blame him?

ozwozz86


Joined: 24/10/2008
Posts: 336

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 00:29

i see all of ur points. i think what really winds me up though, is the fact that everyone that seems to visit north cyprus seems to state that the locals are all so friendly etc etc etc. surely there is a reason for this. from a waiters point of view, its usually for tips, or more importantly, wooing an english lady for a visa. or from a shopkeepers point of view, they would do anything to rip of a tourist and overcharge them majorly. i have an irish friend who was on holiday here and went to a local barbers where he was charged 40, yes 40 ytl for a haircut!(and nothing else). luckily, my dad being turkish cypriot was deeply offended by this, and went out of his way to go and get the money back from the hairdresser, who got a stern warning in the process.

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 00:31

I seem to miss out every time!!!!!!!!!



I am always polite to waiters etc but the other half always pulls!!!!!!!! Is that because she always pays in restaurants?

w26kay



Joined: 14/10/2007
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 00:42

Well David don't be sad. Be happy. Hetrosexual men need to miss out every time in this particular scenario, dont you think? The alternative may be just too scarey!

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 06:53

If a Turk, because it is unlikely to be a TC, pesters your daughter/wife, ask him if he has a sister for you. His reacton will tell you all you need to know about the double standards of this well known mentality.

If they came from a society where they could get their leg over a bit easier, they wouldn't have to pester Northern Europeans.

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 07:11

Maybe this is why the Burka is a good idea after all! Joke



No I don't really believe that women should have to cover up... maybe sometimes they could do with wearing a little more clothing but then again I'm not offended by beautiful women flaunting their assets. I'd much rather see a scantily clad woman than a man in speedos.... and their are enough of them yuk.

come_on_aylin


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Posts: 908

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 08:37

We found Istanbul to be much worse than Northern Cyprus. Men/boys were hurrying in front of us and then would stand waiting for us to walk past. It really freaked us out - our blonde, blue-eyed daughter, aged 14 at the time, was the main source of facination. Can't say that we've ever experienced anything like that here.

roachie


Joined: 25/04/2008
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 09:21

Its much worse in turkey than TRNC. Compared to Turkish men, TRNC men are actually quite sophisticated. In addition, I have a friend here from Morocco who says that Turkish men are more sophisticated and respectful than Moroccon men.

scampy



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Posts: 982

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 09:21

Hi All



As a blonde myself, it is very annoying even after 7 years here they still all stare at me even though with some of them I am old enough to be their mum.



And I have been known on the odd occasion to have a go at them in the middle of girne, and because I have a go in Turkish they even try to have a go back sometime's



The best thing to do is ignore them and don't even give them the time of the day as they have no respect for women



Susie x

sweep


Joined: 11/10/2007
Posts: 241

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 10:33

hello there



during a visit to tunisa some 19yr with my parents whilst out and about of a day the amount of offers my farther got if he wanted to swap my mum and sister for camels was unreal weather this was a local joke or a serious request we will never know as they are still with us in blighty, my friend went to sharm el sheik last yeary with his girlfriend who was pretty enough to be on the cover of a top fashion mag ,during his visit he said he had never felt so uncomfatble in his life due to being followed, staired at even to the point were a male cleaner followed her into the toilets this was the last straw for his holiday and said he would never go back so it is not just NCR this happens.

mountbatten


Joined: 12/04/2008
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 10:33

They would not take my wife,i was made to pay for two teas

newby07


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Message Posted:
26/10/2008 10:50

We had some friends visiting last week. The three girls went shopping in Girne and were called at by one of the hustlers 'Charlie's Anglels'. Now he is not only misguided (although they all were uk nurses they are no anglels) but he was also quite rude. He produced his Kimlik card and pretended to be a policeman, said he would arrest them for smoking. What sort of impression did our quests return to the uk with?

We all love the charm of our local characters but this type of insolence paints a bad picture for the tourists, no?

ozwozz86


Joined: 24/10/2008
Posts: 336

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 11:08

well said TRNCVaughan, i couldnt agree with you more. You mention their sister, or any other female in their family and they are more than likely to go beserk. one rule for one...



newby07. do we love the charm of our local characters? after being here five years i think the majority of their acts are getting stale.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 12:32

It is lack of education and ignorance. Istanbul is far worse but there are

some excellent men also.

stewy


Joined: 18/10/2008
Posts: 279

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 15:50

I think it is a blonde hair thing. I am a 33 year old male with longish blonde hair. I too believe it or not get hassled.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 17:35

Yes, I can believe it, the combination of long and blonde very noticeable

But not just blondes. This kind of man picks on just about any woman if

he thinks he can get away with it. Even Turkish women if they are quiet/shy

My own lovely daughter, who is petite & dark (half-Indian) was assaulted by

a waiter in Istanbul as he helped her on with her jacket! Opposite were her

boyfriend and me, her Mum. We just heard a loud slap, as she told him never

to do that again.

Treesy


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 406

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 17:55

Staring is not considered rude in Turkish culture - if people wish to look at anything different - they will.



My friend is Turkish and lives in Ankara - a cosmopolitan somewhat more European city and if she choses to dress in short shirts and small tops then the men will stare - but ask yourselves this ---- why do most women wear more revealing clothing? Is it not because they want to look beautiful - why do they spend a fortune on their hair and hair products - because they want to look more beautiful - how are most beauty products especially hair products sold - by using the allusion of sexier women= more successful - admit it most women love the attention and want to be looked at - so when it happens a little more than you want you moan - the waiters have obviously learnt this behaviour - it is defiently not the norm in their villages.



I used to dress European and know what why i would choose clothing to go out on on a Friday night.

Treesy


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 406

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 18:01

Now I am Muslim and married to a wonderful Turkish man and now I view life from a different angle.



Men move to let me sit next to women on the bus - only English men will sit next to me - they do not talk to me in a familiar way and they have too much respect because i am Muslim - as is my experience in Istanbul, Ankara and the East of Turkey.



All of my husband's 4 brothers married virgins and his 5 sisiters were virgins on their wedding nights. They are not oppressed they are respected as woman are in Islam and they might not be out partying and drinking etc but trust me their lives are very good and without the stress European women seem to be under to be supermums, working career women, look younger than they are, have plastic surgery because they feel inadequate with what God gave them and generally feel that to make the working week worthwhile they need to get sh**faced at the weekend to cope.



I know which life I would choose.

Treesy


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 406

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 18:09

So yes when you mention the waiters sisters they will be offended because they view their sisters differently - they are at home being looked after and learning the skills the will need to be wives and mothers.



I am NOT condoning their behaviour and agree it is disrespectful to women - all I can say is stop spending at their restaurants and report it to the tourist department or police everytime - this way it can be changed - all be it slowly - I know Marmaris is having a crack down on 'hassling' as it has reduced the number going there - it can be changed here.



Also why not praise the staff at the non-hassle establishments and tell them you like it there because they do not hassle - the rest will get the message.



If I have offended anyone with these posts I apologise - if you do not agree with me i respect your opinion but will not enter into an argument/slanging match with you as is very common on this site.



Treesy

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 19:08

Guys, just you just hate it when you know the ladies are mentally undressing you?

puppylover



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Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 19:30

Treesy.....enjoyed readings your views and have to agree with your comments on how certain people dress....I think sometimes it's forgotten that how we dress in the UK etc may not be exceptable in other countries.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 19:38

Treesy

You say you dont want to have an argument!!!!



'Men move to let me sit next to women on the bus - only English men will sit next to me - they do not talk to me in a familiar way and they have too much respect because i am Muslim'



Dear oh Dear Oh Dear

Would that mean whether I open a door or not for a woman or respect her should be based on her religion.Problem there ,how would I know, Ask?



It is none of a waiters business whether my daughters are virgins,he is there to serve food ,if he wants sex there are plenty of pickup places he can go without offending tourists..

As for my wife or daughters, while you are not condoning, you suggest she can be hassled because the waiter gets it into his immature head that she

1.,probably had a boob job (everbody does,dont they!)

2.was wearing shorts in 35degC because she is 'asking for it'.

3.Gets drunk all over the place .

4. she works to help support our family instead of staying at home ,being a 'good 'wife.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 19:53

Part 2



At the end of the day , the behaviour by the waiters etc concerned, towards woman being expressed here is less to do with culture, religion or, geography, but more to do with the fact that some people, anywhere in the world, will do what they think they can get away with.and should not be excused or justified.



I for one will never " praise the staff at the non-hassle establishments and tell them you like it there because they do not hassle ."



'That was a great meal, and thanks for not hassleing the women'!!



Oh and by the way ,walking thro Girne at the weekend ,I cant say Ive noticed much difference in dress between the nationalities.

Treesy


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 406

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 20:00

Girne 29



they move because i am dressed as a muslim -covered and with headscarf - hence how they know.



I am a born and bread engish girl from the UK and have lots of friends and family there - i know not all women are the same - i never said they were



I am generalising a bit of course - but then so do foreign waiters it seems - and they get this generalisation from what they see everyday on tv, at the cinema and with their own eyes - european culture is very attractive to them and as most of them will never manage to get a visa to travel the closest they will probably ever get to it. It is near enough impossible for your normal Turkish lad to get a visa to travel -they cannot freely leave their country like we can.



Yes they can pay for sex or go to certain places where it is on offer - I've heard there are pubs with older British women waiting for them in the Girne area - and NO your wife/daughter do not deserve to be hassled whatever - as i said.

Treesy


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 406

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 20:13

Girne 29



nationalities - this is a difficult one - I am assuming most of the waiters are mainland turks



most of their families will be in turkey



most of the turkish here are turkish cypriots and there is a difference - i get stared at sometimes due to my dress being different too - but in turkey i dont get stared at so much - until i speak!



I think the only way forward is to understand the culture of the country as where these ideas stem from - like the dog poisoning thing - i am totally against it - but why would someone go to the expense and time to deliberately kill dogs - if we really knew would people want to bring their dogs here?

I had a dog come up to me and lick my hand while the owner looked on - i was not impressed - i had to shower and change before i could pray again. I explained this to her and rather than just take the information on board she was offended. Neutering dogs is unIslamic and they are considered dirty. I had to rehome my dog in the UK when i con

Treesy


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Posts: 406

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 20:20

When i converted to Islam - i was very upset but then it was my chosen path.

The angels do not come to houses with dogs inside - so they will not hear your prayers.



All I am trying to do is try to offer any information i can that will try to help us understand each other better and maybe this way we can all move forward and live in harmony - ignorance breeds contempt - and i am ignorant of many people too- i admit - but God willing I will always be willing to learn and accept.



I thank you for you discussion!

girne 29


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Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 20:28

I am not saying you condone it ,but you have given a straw for those waiters and others to grab at. And I think you do an injustice to the majority who are perfectly behaved.



Having been in Istanbul ,I rather think the average young Turk is no stranger to the temptations you describe nor is confused .I remember a night life not unlike any other European city.



As for knowing your religion because of what you wear .I did not specify the Muslim or Sikh religion. I meant that if the respect or non respect I should show to women should be based on any culture or any religion, how would I know.There are plenty religions or cultures that in a multicultural society do not identify themselves in dress.

The girls at the HSBC are probably in the majority Moslem, but for most you couldnt tell by dress. And the point I think you miss is ,why should it make a difference.



Lastly ,if you dont generalise about wetern european women, I wont generalise about eastern medi waiters.



THE EN

cruggs


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Posts: 498

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 20:37

hi hector yes i know what you mean it happens to me all the time specially when i go to tesco,s and look around the female underware department. i just can,t wear boxers,they just point at me and run away when i come out of the lady,s changing room.too look in the mirror.

phylray



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Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 20:51

Travelling on buses in United Arab Emirates they don't allow men to sit

next to ANY woman, and you get to sit at the front of the bus! Also, it is

forbidden for taxi drivers to speak to women except to ask destination etc.

What a relief after other places. We were well looked after and treated with

respect.

ozwozz86


Joined: 24/10/2008
Posts: 336

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 22:49

I just don't get this utter garbage. why cant taxi drivers talk to women?? why are men not allowed to sit next to women on busses? i just cant believe we are nearing 2009 and this crap still goes on in the world. i think its about time women stood up for themselves in these countries and realised that they are EQUAL. obviously this is far easier said than done.



what a shame. and what a waste of life.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 23:17

I can assure you this "kind of crap" as you so rudely put it, is infinitely

preferable to being pestered, touched, even masturbated against (on buses)

If you were working abroad as a woman you would know what I mean

ozwozz86


Joined: 24/10/2008
Posts: 336

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 23:32

my point is phylray, i am fed up with how women are not allowed to do ridiculously unimportant things in certain cultures, whether its being sat next to, or spoken to, or allowed out, or to initiate conversation with males. its about time that they were allowed to do these things, that us guys take for granted. then maybe, just maybe we wouldnt get so many stary men around, because women from Cyprus and Turkey would be able to flaunt, do and say whatever they want. think about it mate.

karakum5c



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Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
26/10/2008 23:46

When i talk to a waiter in a North Cyprus restaurant he is usually listening or talking back to me while all the time staring at my wifes chest, she finds it all highly amusing.

TRNCVaughan


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Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
27/10/2008 08:25

Interesting article on BBC world service radio a few days ago. Seems Saudi Araba (?) arrests would-be suicide bombers and re-educates them. Then buys them a house, gives them $60,000(?) and lets them go. They immediately get married and it seems their wives won't let them blow themselves up.

Amazing how a few quid and a bit of steady nookie can calm these lads down. It would seem the lack of leg-over causes all sorts of antisocial behaviour, from leering to exploding!

Wilts Girl


Joined: 16/07/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
27/10/2008 16:11

The TRNC is a Muslim country but as with other things concerning TC turks versus mainland turks there are differences, one of which is Muslims in the TRNC tend to be quite liberal.



We were over during Ramadan and saw loads of men smoking and drinking during the day. I have been to TRNC twice now and have never been subjected to the kind of behaviour others are complaining about (maybe I should be upset!).



I did notice some staring in Famagusta but in the Girne area its just like any other Mediterranean country where ladies are out in skimpy clothes, men will stare!



What I don’t like however, is the insinuation that by wearing western clothes women are somehow asking for it. As Girne 29 states a most of the local woman wear western clothes.



I have no intention of staying at home being looked after and training to be a good wifey thank you and that’s just my opinion and my culture!

ozwozz86


Joined: 24/10/2008
Posts: 336

Message Posted:
27/10/2008 20:18

i think most women should adopt the culture of not being just a ''wifey''. it seems most men here have this muslim culture of keeping their wifes inside doing all the cooking and cleaning. these men also refuse to eat pork. however, it is perfectly acceptable to have a fag and an efes. definitely not double standards!

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
27/10/2008 20:30

KARAKUM5C: "When i talk to a waiter in a North Cyprus restaurant he is usually listening or talking back to me while all the time staring at my wifes chest, she finds it all highly amusing."



Hopefully not because you're out of the loop, so to speak. ;-)

Turbo


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Message Posted:
27/10/2008 20:33

ozwozz86, Dont take this the wrong way.

Respect peoples culture, you are a visitor in their countries please dont go around suggesting what they should or should not do.

I think you will find that women like to stay at home and take care of their families.

Go check out Iran, you would be required to do as the men do there, no short sleeves,or shorts, use the beach on different days than the women etc.

You may get your self in trouble.

Not sure if you're male or female , not that it makes any difference.

Turbo


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Message Posted:
27/10/2008 20:35

Ok in answer to my last question, I see you are of the male species , your name suggests otherwise (in your profile).

Turbo


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Message Posted:
27/10/2008 20:43

Suzanne, you'll find that Iran is a one off, their people have not had it very good there, i am sure most of them would like to leave if they could. Their president is taking them in a dangerous direction.

Ok back on topic...

pilgrim



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Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
27/10/2008 21:02

My partner is an attractive blonde, but apart from occasional long stare , never experienced any problems in bogaz/ Famagusta area.

phylray



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Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
27/10/2008 22:47

OZZWOZ



The women e.g. U.A.E. are not forbidden to talk to, sit next to men.

It is the men who are not allowed out of respect/protection of the women

There are lots of rather nice things like that, i.e. not having to queue behind

loads of men in post-offices. If there is no-one on the 'ladies' desk, you just

go to the head of the queue. Local women don't hesitate to do this

How boring it would be if all cultures were the same. I think that our

Western culture now does not take enough care of its women. How many

young girls get raped, murdered wandering about at night on their own?

Turbo


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Posts: 833

Message Posted:
28/10/2008 08:04

Guys come on, we are human, we all look. We are human we all appreciate the opposite sex, some of us are a bit more obvious than others. it happens everywhere.

Tel me I am not right when I say, a gorgeous creautures walks down the the street we look, we even see another guy looking and we give each other the look that, wow yeah she is hot.

So what is the big deal, girls, ladies you are being appreciated, start worrying when you don't get looks.

In the case of Cyprus, I think you will find that most of the lecherous ones are usually from Turkey. I remember one occasion a girl got her bum pinched in a crowd in the bazaar in Istanbul, she went berserk, and so she should. That was a tasteless assault on her body and should never be accepted.

Cypriots are a bit more advanced and familiar with women tourists in their skimpy summer outfits, most the men from Turkey are from small villages and are not used to seeing what they see in Cyprus.

Turbo


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Message Posted:
28/10/2008 08:13

Some times the girls ask for a lech to be staring or following her around, have you not seen some of the young intoxicated tourist girls dressed in their skimpy outfits meandering around the harbour in groups.? hey are on holiday and its all part of the fun.

If that is the way they are going to behave then they better be ready to have half the town gigolos walking being them like dogs on heat.

I have seen it with my own eyes, I am sure most of you have witnessed something similar.

No men should disrespect the ladies, at the same time, ladies , please if you are flaunting then you should not complain, just enjoy it. Its a compliment , within limits.

Anyone that crosses the the line, feel free to give them a good smack across the face as hard as you can. if you are in a restaurant and it is not called for, feel free to talk to their boss. They wont be doing it again.

puppylover



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Message Posted:
28/10/2008 08:28

Turbo......you have said it as it is....good post.

flowerfairy


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Message Posted:
28/10/2008 09:16

Treesy, thankyou for your posts, I found them very interesting, and i admire you for your loyalty to you husband, your faith and this country.



I don't quite know why most are only mentioning the Turkish people, doesn't it happen all over the world??

What about the Italians,aren't they known for 'bum tweeking'?.

We were in Africa when my daughter was 13 years old.A Masi guy actually told us that at her age, she would be being prepared for marriage in Africa. We weren't insulted, we ended up having a very interesting conversation about their lives and culture.

ozwozz86


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Posts: 336

Message Posted:
28/10/2008 12:15

I agree with most of what you said Turbo, but just so you no, i am not a visitor in this country. I happen to be half Turkish Cypriot, and half English, and have lived in both countries for a reasonable length of time, thus having a strong grasp on both cultures.



You imply that women only like to stay at home and look after their family and children. I happen to know plenty of women living here who would love to go out and have a sensible night out on the town with their friends but are not allowed because the husband or boyfriend will not let them. Its almost like these men have an insecurity. However, in general, most of the men can go out and do what they want, and sleaze over any women they see fit. Yes, i understand if you see someone who is remotely attractive you will give them a subtle stare. Anyway, my point is, if you trust and love someone enough, these women should be trusted and allowed to choose where and when they want to have a few hours away from the family.