Anthony Davy. strange wasnt it

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 15:42

That all the do gooders who where shouting and balling about a man being held with out charges have not spoke regarding the sentance yet.



http://www.kibrisgazetesi.com/index.php/cat/2/news/118689/PageName/Ic_Haberler



This accident could of happend to any of us,i think he was right in taking the plea bargain or the dangling carrot otherwise if he had of waited for a trial date,he would still be in that jail until next year.

gooligan


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 15:48

14 months for been in the wrong place at the wrong time.

girderjack99


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 15:51

stitched up like a kipper for sure

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 15:58

I think it was maybe his quickest route out with the summer courts recess almost upon us,he will be home free in2 months.

Still i suppose its not nice getting locked up for an accident.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 16:08

i really hope he will be home soon. x

girderjack99


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 16:09

and the other driver ( with bad eye sight who failed to stop or swerve )and who hit the young lad killing him ??

tarry67


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 16:13

If he has any sense he will get all his things together and get the hell out of here. I can't believe that anyone could be put through all that torment when after all it was just a misfortunate accident.

I feel for the famiies of the young lads but they too must understand the circumstances involved.

ivebinad


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 16:28

BEST TRANSLATION I CAN DO



Diamond TOKAY



Nicosia-Kyrenia highway motorcycle traveling to the high school teens and 16-year-old Ali Dere 15-year-old Adam Türkez'in traffic accident resulting in the death of Anthony, John Davey, the British defendant, was sentenced to 14 months in prison yesterday. Davey are not satisfied with the decision, which includes Cyprus, but the mouth will not be rained curses in English expressions, trying to view the members of the press itself, drew edepsizce hand motion.

To be debated for days in the country and from the accident that occurred on January 11, 2011 were discussed and the President of the High Criminal Court trial of Kyrenia Çiftçioğlu Gulden, Senior Judge Elder with Saadetoğlu Avcıoğlu'ndan delegation composed of Judge Moses announced the decision yesterday.



5 the case was tried



Two separate case, "causing death", while in other cases "of danger driving scattering", "fast car use according to circumstan

ivebinad


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 16:28

"fast car use according to circumstances," and "careless driving", including Anthony, John Davey, a total of 5 case on trial, found guilty and was convicted of all cases.

The court's unanimous decision to commission studied Saadetoğlu Senior Judge Elder. Referring to the cases Saadetoğlu Briefly, the defendant Anthony John Davey'in, on January 11, 2011, Nicosia, Kyrenia-anayolunun 6 and 7 kilometers of road traffic accidents occurring, causing the death of young people that by Türkez Adam and Ali Dere said.

At that time, the lack of a light illuminating the scene, going on 15 and 16-year-old motorcycle kasksız being of young people, assessed against the defendants noted the lack of capacity to motorcycle use Saadetoğlu Adam Dere, according to the conditions fast, reckless, dangerous scattering instrument using a 2 to more deaths assessed against the defendants, he noted.



"A bleeding wound of society"



Senior Judge Elder Saadetoğlu, fatal traffic

ivebinad


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 16:29

Senior Judge Elder Saadetoğlu, fatal traffic accidents in our country is a bleeding wound, with emphasis, said everybody had to do its part.

Referring to the kind of prevent accidents in spite of all measures taken geçilemediğine Saadetoğlu, said there needs to be more sensitive to all sectors of society. No one, not on the right to cause the death of another person Saadetoğlu attention, and just said they found appropriate to give the accused sentenced to imprisonment.

Senior Judge of the High Criminal Court in Kyrenia, accused Anthony John Elder Saadetoğlu last Davey'in, çarptırıldığını found guilty cases sentenced to 14 months in prison and was also banned from driving for 18 months said motor.



Decision not like it



Kyrenia Assize Court's decision is not satisfied with the Anthony John Davey, the police officer in charge at the time taken to prison by the English rained curses. Davey, Cyprus also threw himself i

ivebinad


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 16:30

Kyrenia Assize Court's decision is not satisfied with the Anthony John Davey, the police officer in charge at the time taken to prison by the English rained curses. Davey, Cyprus also threw himself into the curses, he pulled the hand motion to view the dirty work to the press.

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 16:33

That lot makes sense

ivebinad


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 16:35

i like the bit he pulled the hand motion and rained English curses i new he was a west ham supporter

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 16:37

journalists deserve no better than the sign he offerd them.

denizen



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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 16:42

That lot makes sense



could you translate it for me please. Understood the Turkish better, not.

L

ivebinad


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 16:45

he got 14 months banned from driving for 18 months and told them to get fcuked

ivebinad


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 17:05

I never thought I would say this about the TRNC but it is a mickey mouse country, run by muppets and imbeciles, corrupt through and through and I am so glad I am rid of the place, Tony Davey should never have been imprisoned.



In the words of NN



LONG LIVE THE KFC

proger1



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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 17:08

iba, I really doubt you need to do that, Nick is never normally shy at showing his hatred of North Cyprus.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 17:15

Paul

It never ceases to amaze me how certain members that have such a hatred of the TRNC still enjoy posting on this forum.

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 17:20

That's a bit tough, 'proger 1'!



I don't interpret his messages as 'hateful' - rather 'disdainful'!

proger1



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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 17:22

Sorry, I stand corrected, obviously it is not as bad as hatred or as AJ points out he wouldn't even post on here, perhaps he is just having a really long menstrual cycle and taking it out on North Cyprus.

IbrahimAbi


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 18:31

He was guilty of driving, the other driver (with the dodgy eyesight.....now why is this not a crime?) killed the boy. has anyone asked were they wearing crash helmets? Maybe that's why they died as opposed to being injured.



Lots of questions here which have so far not been answered, or the anwers have not been reported.

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 18:37

To young also to ride a scooter,no lights,as you say no crash helmets.



So its reported.

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 18:46

proger who are you talking about? NN, or ivebinhsad? cant see any problem with any of the posts for you to remark on 'menstrual cycle'.... As a bloke you don't have these problems, so why jest about something that is a real problem for some women!

proger1



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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 18:52

Yes absolutely dizzy, I am going to bite when you go off on one of your crusades about something that bothers you only when someone else brings it up. The important word you used was jest, try to remember that please.

If it makes you feel better then keep thinking of me as a woman hater but at least come up with something that I said in a serious way to chastise me about, pretty please.

hattikins


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 19:12

Ooooh Roger, just wait until you go through the change ( tongue in cheek of course)!!!!!!!!

Troodo


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 19:16

As I understand it, two under aged boys took a bike, or scoter, without permission. They then proceeded to drive with no lights and no crash helmets along an unlit or badly lit road. They were hit by Mr Davey, which killed one and sent the other into the path of another vehicle, by which he was also killed. Straightforward really, Mr Davey must be guilty, and anyway he is a foreigner, you can’t go around blaming TC’s.

Besides, he took the right advice and he will be out of this no win situation in another two months.

God keep you MR Davey.

ivebinad


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 20:19

Troodo hear hear.

IbrahimAbi


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 20:20

Not to mention Mr dodgy eyesight, no guilt there then???

ivebinad


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 20:24

AJ I do hope for your sake that you are never in your car at the wrong time and wrong place and kill someone accidentally who shouldn't have been on the road in the first place, you are a really nasty person.

yorgozlu



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Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
10/06/2011 20:45

So,if you're riding along main road at slight speed(example) and some car driver was to come on to road from your left to turn right and cut you up,and you were to hit it/lose control,would that make it the riders fault for speeding or the drivers for wreckless driving?

malsancak


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 20:49

Omaintenance wrote, "That all the do gooders who where shouting and balling about a man being held with out charges have not spoke regarding the sentance yet. "

NCFP were told by Tony via his friends that we should not publish anything about the case and that's what we've done

waddo


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 20:55

Msg 27 - How do you figure he will be out in 2 months? Must have missed that bit somewhere????????????

proger1



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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 21:11

You know us brits Yorg, we never let anything like a few facts get in the way of a good sympathy story.

Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for the poor man who at the end of the day was in the wrong place at the wrong time but two young people died and know amount of blame of the legal system in North Cyprus will bring them back.

Mr Davey has probably taken the best deal he could get and it will not get better by comments on here about whether it is fair or not.

ivebinad


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 21:29

proger you know nothing about this case so keep your self rightous idiotic remarks to yourself.

ivebinad


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 21:32

Post edited for offensive remarks.

ivebinad


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 21:33

Post edited for offensive remarks

kibrisisit


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 21:48

How does prison visiting work? Thought it was worth someone asking!

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 21:56

Yorg



It depends on the situation.



In my opinion, if it was at night, on an unlit or poorly lit road and the cyclist was not showing any lights, then the blame would lie with the cyclist.



If it was daylight then it would be the drivers fault.



Paul

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 21:57

The poor man could do with visits, perhaps the family could let a spokesperson know when its convenient, well said kibrisisit....

ivebinad


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 22:52

fiendishpaul it was night and dark and no street lighting.

ivebinad


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 22:53

My posts may be edited but they are the truth nonetheless.

girderjack99


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 22:58

proger YOUR SEXIST UNCARING COMMENTS ARE WORTH OH so keep your pathetic comments to there





Post edited for offensive remarks

ivebinad


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 23:00

girderjack hear hear.

girderjack99


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 23:08

FOUL MOUTH RANTS SEXIST poo and pathetic posts belong on the failed http://guidebooknorthcyprus.com who said it failed DUE TO A DRUNKARD AND POOR MANAGEMENT plonker proger

Troodo


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 23:44

No one has suggested that this was not a tragedy for everyone involved. But to place the blame on one, is a tragedy for justice.

spider


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Message Posted:
10/06/2011 23:55

As I understood things it was asked that nothing was posted on 44 re this case ! Would that not even include this new news ?



This man has been in my/our thoughts and prayers from day one and remains SO !



This could have happened to anyone of us............over here ! !..and its becomes a nightmare for Anthony !



Stay strong Anthony. stay calm like the ticking of the clock you may well soon be able to start the next chapter in your life after this terrible accident and injustice.



Spider and Mr Spider,X

ivebinad


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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 00:01

no spider the case is over, got 14 months has served 5 on remand 2 months to do, as you only do half the sentence 7 months,so does not matter what is said now

spider


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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 00:07

I understand just right what happened thanks....But it should make no odds if 44 were asked not to post anything regarding this case at all..then it is my views that this thread is evident on the way this forum and members carry its self ! !



JMHO.





Spider,X and Amanda Opps sorry Mr Spider,X

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 01:42

fiendishpaul-proger1;



That was MY situation funny enough,but somehow I managed to hold myself from slugging off the so called 'english' lady driver on here,let alone the 8 months it took for me to get 1-my bike back after being repaired,2-to get medical expenses.Perhaps I should've been as wreckless as her and taken her to court for what she did(5 weeks on a wheel chairbroken toe that will never bend again etc,never mind the phsycological effect it has left,rather then feeling sympathy towards her situation!God knows how much compensation I'd have been able to claim of her.



However,had those kids been mine,I'd certainly be outside prison waiting for his relaise.

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 02:48

message 32.



you are correct,it was asked that the pathetic facebook group that was started without antonies permission and other threads/post not be put in or on any social network sites while the case was ongoing,not that TRNC "justice" has been handed down,its fine to speak and discuss the wrong or right doings of the trial or sentance.

That is from the Horses mouth.



As mr davey showed the press his feelings when photographed leaving court.

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 02:57

TYPO. should be, NOW.

proger1



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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 07:11

For those who are obviously against my way of making a point, please don't hesitate to come and use my board to make you own statements. I didn't put the site address there, one of you did. It will work but it isn't the correct one in all honesty.

I would love to know how my pointing out that the british just love to bitch about non british systems is sexist and I am even more intrigued to know what comments were made that required removal from the thread.

Even better still, come and visit me and we can have a heart to heart, I promise I won't hurt anyone, I only defend myself these days, it keeps me on the correct side of the law.

I really would love to know how someone believes I know nothing of the case considering I stated two young people died and Mr Davey took a deal, apart from that I am talking about the self righteous british who think they should get the benefit of the doubt regardless of which country or situation you are in.

We don't even get priority in Britain

wanderer


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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 08:54

A driver without a licence and insurance has been jailed for his involvement in a fatal accident he did not cause the accident but should not have been driving .The man who died was the cause of the accident an interesting case >The judge is saying if you don't have a licence don't drive any accident will be your fault on the basis that you should not have been there and therefore its your fault

http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/driver_jailed_for_death_crash_role_1_3171144

ivebinad


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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 08:54

In the UK he would not have been imprisoned, he would have been on police bail, not here, the only way he could get bail was to put up £200.000 and 3 worthless kochans. You call that justice.

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 09:13

message 54.



This case should of been the same,no licences,no helmets,no lights,were just visitors and dont make up the laws !!

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 13:01

Yorg



Re message 50



If that was your situation then maybe you should have taken her to court if you feel that she was negligent.



I posted a 'hypothetical' situation and stated who, in my opinion I felt was to blame.



I think that the whole situation with the Davey case is extremely tragic. 2 young boys have lost their lives and an 'old' man, who only lost his wife a year ago has found himself in prison. No one on the Forum knows the full details of what actually happened on the night of the accident so any 'opinions' are purely that. However, it would appear that from the sentence imposed, the court recognises that it was a tragic accident with a degree of blame attributable to a number of people.



As for your final comment, in light of the circumstances I would like to believe that I could recognise that Mr Davey didn't intend for the incident to happen and had been suitably punished.



Paul

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 15:20

msg 53..... did make my own statements on your forum and you banned me for life ... lol ...



Quite comical really ....

proger1



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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 15:27

Yes, Dizzy.

Whatever you think, you were warned that continueing would get you banned but you laughed it off and continued.

You decided that you wanting to discuss the rape of a woman on the forum was more important than the womans request for it not to be discussed.

Do you still think it is comical?

MaggieAndBernie



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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 15:31

Msg 58 Dizzy



Funny you seem to have posted several times on Paul's forum since your 'ban'



Ironic that Paul can't win can he - if he allows a 'free for all' he's wrong and if he tries to moderate in order to protect someone who obviously doesn't want her business discussed on an open forum....guess what? he's wrong again! now that's comical!



Maggie

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 15:34

Yes i do as the post you banned me for was not about the rape was it proger, it was questioning you ...



It was comical, being banned for having an opinion,, so, every one please go to Progers forum ,swear and be derogative about things , but don't question proger.... lol

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 15:35

I think you know Omaintenance that certain very heavy written threats were made to the facebook admin. so heavy in fact that are being held by a friend in London just in case some 'mishap' befalls her. Threats received from the same person who claimed responsibility for hacking the facebook group and bannng all the members.

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 15:39

re msg 60, sorry we must have posted at the same time ... maggie, I haven't posted on his forum since my ban?



But hey, I don't really worry as cant be bothered with falling out with him or who ever ...

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 15:41

Seems the so called do gooders were damned if they did and damned if they didn't.

proger1



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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 15:47

actually dizzy, not to go on about this for too long but, you were warned that if you continued to complain for not being allowed to talk about the rape and accused me of lieing about my reasons for not wanting it on the forum you would be banned.

You did both.



As for posting at the same time as Maggie, are you sure, it isn't because you were actually browsing my forum at the time as a guest, you see I didn't delete your username, I only banned you which means I still see the IP addresses of the guests and as you are still a registered member, I see your username next to the IP.



I had actually thought about lifting the ban as I was being a bit over the top as you had been a good poster in the past but you started to complain about my 2 penneth worth, then the rape commetns and then on here you are against me because I mention menstrual cycle in a jest.

Funny thing really, I try not to get into arguements on this forum and upset those who went to mine. Can't win again

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 16:03

Dear Proger, I wouldn't have the faintest idea on how to browse your forum, log on yes, but brouse when it comes up as ... dizzy you are banned etc etc .... nope.....



So, life goes on my dear boy...

hattikins


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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 16:42

Yes Dizzy it does, and sadly for Anthony Davy there are some difficult days ahead so perhaps you ought to spare a thought or two for him instead of getting on your crusade for free speech.

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 16:47

point taken hattikins.... yes agree with you on that....



Think its been mentioned about visiting Mr Davy in prison, this sounds a very good idea, wonder if any one could set this up that live in NC?

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 17:01

The facebook group who couldn't find enough people able to part with 1000 Tl each so became pathetic and no longer worthy of your emembership and had to be closed down, no matter how, that pathetic face book group, who did no harm whatsoever to Anthony. and only really wanted him to know people cared, that pathetic facebook group. Oh yes I remember it well.



When people are threatened they tend to be silent.

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 17:05

Anthony appears to have a strong family network and I wish him well on his release and hope he finds some sort of peace and happiness with his family.

umairaraza100


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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 17:15

hope him for the best

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 17:43

fiesndishpaul-re 57;

How I feel about what happened to me is irrelevant,it's about right and wrong!I fact,it is because I used my feelings is the reason she had tried to use me.As she tried to claim that I was riding fast(outside starling,lapta) did not give her the right to jump in front of me.The rule says,'you have the right to be on that road as opposed to the one approaching onto it.'

At the end of the day 'I' eccepted not to take the incident further,and 'she' decided to cover my medical cost and cost of repair to my bike.She had insurance or not to cover that is not my problem nor an issue,but being told after 8MONTHS that all was too expensive,when it was 'her' that had done all the aggreement and invoices of my medical cost,IS!

Rottolover



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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 18:13

Yorgozlu, I've just seen your post #50. I sympathise with you about your own accident, as from what you say it appears you were hard done by.



But "I'd certainly be outside prison waiting for his relaise." ! My god, what on earth for? It seems clearly to have been a tragic accident and Mr Davey will have spent 7 months in prison for his part in it. Yet you'd still be waiting for his release to do what, exactly? Kill him or just beat him up?



I can't believe you're serious.

dalartokat


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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 18:16

Message 68....it may be well meaning by yourself, but making arrangements for visits in Nicosia prison have to be requested by the person serving the sentance. There are certain criteria to follow regarding visits and people may be better off writing to the British High Commission for them to pass on the request or a letter. Family and close friends are the best people to talk to

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 18:35

That sounds a very good idea dalartokat, writing a letter to Mr Davy might be more valuable to him than visits.



Suppose a visit by strangers would be rather difficult, small chat etc, but a letter he could read it at his leisure.



Don't know enough about the workings of a prison, I suspect that even letters would not get there sometimes...

Roomy


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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 18:46

He plead guilty to 5 charges connected to or attributing to the tragedy and has been duly sentenced.No more to be said about it except to express my deepest sympathies to the families of the two thieves that died that night.

vonny


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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 18:50

2 thieves???? err,did i miss something??

Roomy


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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 18:53

Yes you did.

Scoty


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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 18:56

Msg 77 - read the full post.

Who were the 2 young people killed and why / what were they doing at the accident area?

vonny


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Posts: 476

Message Posted:
11/06/2011 19:09

the boys borrowed the bike from their friend to go to the shop but actually went to girne instead,you cant really say they were thieves,thats a bit harsh.

spider


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Message Posted:
11/06/2011 19:13

Yorgozlu....I recall when I went to school we had'' ROAD SAFETY '' just to ride a push bike ! i would hope that you have installed this upon your children....



When oh '''' WHEN''' will it happen here ?



Have you thought of going into the schools over here because I for one would be happy to HELP YOU. Something needs to be done it could happen to anyone of us at any time..Please email me if you would like to take up my offer to help.



Spider,X

AnthonySmith


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
11/06/2011 19:15

Let's be clear on this. Tony has spent longer than he should have on remand. He has always maintained his innocence, but spending near on six months in prison without having the chance to even plead guilty has taken its toll. He's 72, for goodness sake.

His advocate said that if he pleaded guilty the case would go on past the summer recess, meaning at least four more months in prison. He argued that if Tony pleaded guilty he could probably do a deal that would mean he got a sentence whereby he could apply for parole quickly and be out of jail within a week or so.

Tony wanted to get on with his life and get out of jail. He pleaded guilty because that was what his advocate told him to do.

If he had pleaded not guilty, based on what the judge said, he would have probably been let off and freed.

The Facebook campaign was not something he wanted because he felt certain people, who also post here regularly, were doing it for their own interests and not his. They didn't know him, hadn't

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
11/06/2011 19:16

Oh and I also know someone who might even lend us his PC police helmet too.











Spider,X

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
11/06/2011 19:18

It is called 'Taken without owners consent', it is a crime and it is theft therefore they were thieves, at least that is how I understand it.No doubt the cherry pickers here will argue the toss.

AnthonySmith


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
11/06/2011 19:18

cotd. bothered to get in touch to find out the facts and were here and on Facebook and on a supposed newspaper spouting their judgments on his case.

He has had friends trying to help, quietly, behind the scenes. He is devastated at what happened on the night and what happened in court. He will be spending the hot summer months, in temperatures over 40C, in a squalid cell.

It's awful what happened to those children, but they were the ones on a scooter, without lights, helmets, experience and had been "missing" for six hours. They'd borrowed it for 15 minutes to run an errand.

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
11/06/2011 19:23

Prisons are full of innocents that were tricked into pleading guilty by the nasty man.

skyper


Joined: 10/06/2011
Posts: 2

Message Posted:
11/06/2011 19:24

and what about the other guy Turkish Cypriot out on bail he has bad eye sight he saw something in the road did not swerve or stop !

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
11/06/2011 19:30

He is immune from prosecution by virtue of Nationality.

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
11/06/2011 20:18

Message 82.



Good post,and almost 100% correct.



The judge told the prosecution and defence to go away for 1 week and decide which way they wanted to go with this terrible accident.

Prosecution told defence if he pleaded guilty he would only ask for a 12 to 14 month sentance,but if he wished to plead his innocense then of course the summer recess would of come into play and tony davi would of remained on remand until re-open of the courts after summer,but when the trial would of been set for,who knows,so it was deemed the quickest route out was a ple bargain,his lawyer never advised him to take the plea bargain,he offerd him the alternatives and also release dates possible with the alternatives.



Yes the facebook group was asked to be closed on 4 or 5 times,it fell on deaf ears,so my friend david,AKA zerochlor got the facebook group hacked n closed down,as that is what tony davey and his lawyer wished,but the crazy woman and man running it would not close it as they wanted

cont

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
11/06/2011 20:22

To piggy back there own cause off the back of it,which they did on several occasions,there was very friendly advise offerd to the person/s who opened this group about a man neither had ever met or did not know,but would they close the facebook group,no of course not,selfish self rightous fools IMHO,who where only thinking of there own cause and no one else.

Happy days when it got closed,but it left 2 very angry people in the aftermath

AnthonySmith


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
11/06/2011 20:44

I'm aware, Omaintenance of much of the background to the FB page and also saw emails in Tony's own words about "that" woman. But I've also been seen emails from the advocate, which show his lawyer did advise him - and strongly - to plead guilty "with conditions".

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
11/06/2011 20:58

Hi Anthony.



Do you feel he could of been wrongly advised or there could of been a different route taken to get a quicker way out?

Im very very aware of how prosecution will dangle a carrot,an open n shut case is always better for them.



What do you think the judge was thinking when he told them to go away and discuss the way to move the case forward and to decide what they wished to do and come back 1 week later?

AnthonySmith


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
11/06/2011 21:13

Look at the basics: forget Tony for the moment.

Two kids, "joyriding" on a scooter, with no experience on the roads, no safety gear, no lights and riding in the dark pull out on to what is a dangerous stretch of road. I think there were two or three death crashes along that stretch of the road last year.

Motorist who was not speeding and had not been drinking hits the scooter. The head of the road traffic accidents group said it could have happened to anybody.

A motorist with "weak vision", according to the report in CYprus Today, is travelling in the opposite direction and sees "a shadow" in his headlights and takes no action to swerve or brake. He hits the second boy.

Motorist 1 is jailed, given ridiculous bail conditions and spends more time than the TRNC laws allow for on remand.

The judge has told prosecution and defence to talk to each other. Doubtless to get a deal. Tony pleads guilty in the hope of a sentence that would allow him to go free quickly as advised. Justice?

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
11/06/2011 21:22

Of course its not justice,there are 100s of cases just the same happening in the UK,the dangle of a carrot is never justice,but some times its the quickest way out of a problem,it happens all to often,lawyers making deals with prosecution and vica versa,same as the TIC,take into consideration, or a better word,clear there unsolved crimes.

Law is manipulated to suit each case,if im honest i dont think i could tell you of any case that was dealt with fairly,there is always some thing that we can find that we would not be happy with.



I think in the eyes of the prosecution,12 to 14 months was a deal.



Also the other driver had to abide by the same bail conditions,so all his family and friends got together,and bail was posted.

I will be curious to see what happens when his trial reaches the court and the outcome.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
11/06/2011 21:28

I regard the use of the Summer Recess as a bargaining tool to force a guilty plea as an abuse of process of the worst kind.

rejela


Joined: 09/02/2011
Posts: 293

Message Posted:
11/06/2011 21:48

This relates to another double fatal accident which occourred about two years ago on the Nicosia to Guzelyurt main road. As i recall a vehicle was travelling along the main rain, when the vehicle crashed into two female pedestrians, who were walking along the road (directions unknown). The pedestrians were foreign girls possibly Russian. The diver was a TC and was remanded in custody but later was released on bail.

Can anyone remeber if the case has been dealt with and what was the outcome of the case. Was the driver imprisoned after receiving a custodial sentance. The rights and wrongs of who was to blame in the Anthony Davey accident aren't the main issue for me but whether justice in this country is in balance. Justice (Adelet) should be dealt out without fair or favour, someones nationality should not be used against them. So perhaps someone can recall the out come of the other fatal in the Alaykoy area two years ago, for comparison. Thanks.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
11/06/2011 23:32

msg 73;

Who knows what I'd be prepaired to do,had they been my kids?!!!!!!!!!!!!

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
11/06/2011 23:34

Yorg.



Had they been your kids,i daubt they would of been living in some kind of detention centre in nicosia or riding a scooter with no helmet or lights or insurance or licence,or would they!!

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
11/06/2011 23:41

Justice is only relevant to those in charge !







Spider X

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
11/06/2011 23:48

0maintenance;



Those changes nothing.2 of someones kids are dead and someone had caused it.Fact!Wrong time,wrong place maybe but still changes nothing.



Read my comments that I had used as an example(though it was my expiriance) re31 please.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 00:45

Sadly the ones who caused this accident are both dead.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 06:30

Strangely, that which caused so much offence in the so called newspaper turned out to be 100% true and not as suggested put there by the person who started the facebook group. In fact the person who did receive the threats from the 'big hero' did not start the facebook group either and so never had the power to close it. Still the means justified the ends and as usual in their culture, that is all that mattered.



Two boys died at a very early age. bereaved families left to mourn, an old man spending time in prison, sad whichever way you look at it.



Now those who so wanted it not reported on are doing a post mortem on it, you have to wonder at that sort of logic. Whatever is said here, will change nothing.

madethemove


Joined: 19/05/2009
Posts: 24

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 10:09

yorg re message 100, you seem to be having a problem grasping the fact that the boys were responsible for their own deaths!!, not Davey.

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 10:24

Yorg would be happier if the old man had died in the accident as well?

humanist


Joined: 12/06/2011
Posts: 6

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 10:25

Some Cypriots always look to blame others for ills that befall them due to their own actions or inaction.

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 10:32

I am surprised the old fellow wasn't charged with hiding the little angels helmets and switching the bikes lights off after deliberately crashing into them while he was veering from one side of the road to the other and driving like a maniac at top speed while off his face with drink and drugs as all UK geriatric delinquents do.Maybe he then threw one of the cherubs into the path of the Turkish old mans car in order to cover his heinous crimes.Best laid plans EH?

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 10:35

I am not trying to speak for Yorg, I am certain he can do just fine on his own.

I do think however that he might be just a little more honest about this than some want to hear.

He has said that "If they were his kids" he would be waiting outside the courthouse.

Let's all be honest here, if your child had died would you really be sitting at home thinking, oh well it was all hs own fault or would you be trying to find someone to blame. I know which way I would be thinking, whether it is correct or not.

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 10:37

Maybe the parent should take a closer look at themselves and their parenting skills that allowed those kids to behave the way they did?Just a thought.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 10:43

Valid point Roomy but how many parents these days blame themselves, I still blame my step daughters father who hasn't seen or spoken to her for 10 years, no way I want to admit that my parenting skills suck or am I being too honest with myself.

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 10:50

I am more likely to believe yorgs response if it were a kneejerk rection to the death of a child rather than a premeditated plan to murder someone even after all the relevant facts are know and prove that the kids were the determining factor in their own deaths and the old man is more victim than perpetrator.Good luck to anyone following yorgs sentiments while they lanquish in jail for the rest of their natch.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 10:52

proger1;

In turkish,we have a saying 'ates düştüğü yeri yakar'



Let the others carry on living,thinking the world owes them,just because they are Brits!

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 10:57

Nice defence for murder yorg, it would probably work too.Hahahahaha...

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 10:57

Roomy;

If those kids were mine and you were the driver of the car,I'd only let you off if you brought MY kids back.



Have you ever seen a film called 'right to kill' by Samuel L. Jackson.If you have,try to remember how the lawyer defending him had won the case.











































............and now,imagine those kids were english!

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 10:58

I suppose it depends on how you wish to interpret what Yorg wrote.

I like to think that he was putting himself in the parents shoes but one thing we should remember is that Yorg is probably one of the only posters on here who can read and understand the reports in the local press.

Perhaps the bias on there would lead people to a different conclusion.

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 11:02

Yorg in that movie some rednecks raped and beat a little black girl and left her for dead, hardly the same thing is it?



So in your mind, there is no such thing as an accident, the survivor is a murderer?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 11:12

Roomy,of course there is such thing as accident in my mind.Try changing 'your' attitude towards what happened and be little more nuteral,and 'you' might be able to understand better where I'm coming from.

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 11:28

I have 4 kids yorg, I know where you are coming from and like I said, as a kneejerk rection I would probably want to kill the man, but after being told the facts of the case and and with the passing of time I hope I would calm down enough to accept that it was totally beyond the control of the old man and the blame lies squarely on the shoulders of the kids who died.I also accept that teenagers can and sometimes do extremely stupid and dangerous things at times, this it seems, was one of those times.I have all the sympathy in the World for the bereaved families, fortunately, I can only guess at how they must be feeling, but, and granted it is a big but, if the posts here are to be believed, Mr Davy could do absolutely nothing to prevent the accident.On the other hand, if as has been stated, Mr Davy did indeed commit 5 different and unspecified motoring offences that he has admitted to and that they did contribute to the deaths of the kids then he has gotten of lightly imo.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 14:20

Nasreddin Hoca - Hirsizin Hiç mi Suçu Yok ?

Bir gün Nasreddin Hoca'nin esegi çalinmis. Can sikintisi içinde durumu komsularina anlatinca her kafadan bir ses çikmaya baslamis. Birisi :

- Hocam demis niye ahirin kapisina iyi bir kilit takmadin sanki ?

Bir baskasi :

- Evine hirsiz giriyor da senin nasil haberin olmuyor ? diye konusmus.

Bir digeri de :

- Hocam demis, kusura bakma ama esegin çalinmasina en büyük sebep yine sensin. Çünkü dogru dürüst bir ahirin bile yok. Nerden baksan dökülüyor. Hoca kizmis :

- Yahu demis, iyi, güzel de kabahatin hepsi benim mi ? Hirsizin hiç mi suçu yok ?





Arif olan anlasIn.Can't be bothered to translate,learn some turkish.

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 16:18

yorg, smugness only serves to make you look like a knob.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 16:42

Roomy

And someone that uses that sort of language shows themselves to be an even bigger one.

If you cannot discuss threads/postings intelligently then I would suggest you do not bother at all.

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 16:42

I own a property next door to Sammy the Turk here in Ashington, he has a great big Eff off motorised satelite dish hanging off his garage wall that looks like a pile of shite and his gates flap all over in the wind and has loosened the pillar between the properties, his responsibilty to fix methinks, i wonder if he does before it falls on someone?



If he doesn't and it falls on a child and it dies should I kill him?

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 16:55

Roomy, I am just wondering if anyone has mentioned to you in the past about taking an example to the extreme, if not don't worry, I am sure it will come to you when you start blaming uncle Adolph for the melting of the icecaps Those damn V2 rockets and their effect on the ozone layer

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 16:58

Alsancakack



Like I care that you take his side after he makes such a condescending post, maybe I should have written it Latin and told him to learn the language.Give yourself a shake man.

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 16:59

Paul,the ice caps problems is down to the eskimos,bloody blow lamps up there they got,every day melting more and more ice,its all the eskimos fault.

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 17:00

Christ on a crutch Proger, he was talking about murdering an old man a few posts back for accidentally letting two morons crash a bike into his car, get a sense of perspective will you?

Rottolover



Joined: 21/06/2009
Posts: 519

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 17:02

IMHO, it's Yorgozlu who is not arguing intelligently. Rather, he is arguing quite emotionally and with what appear to be racist overtones towards 'Brits'. Roomy, on the other hand, seems to be arguing reasonably and with attention to what have been reported as the facts of the case.



And what on earth is wrong with the word 'knob'? Isn't it the same as 'prat'?

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 17:04

calm down tiger, I am giggling my fat little backside off here, I think you are on a great roll, not sure the sinics (nowhere near how to spell that I am sure but what the hell) will allow you to post like this without bringing down the wrath of C44 on you but let it rip.

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 17:06

My msg 121 is a true post I can take pics if you like but I don't think Sammy would like it.To be fair I think he may be a tennant.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 17:06

oops, I used the hell word, oh crap, damn, fiddle, stuggling to think of way out, oh no, we're doomed, doomed I tell you !!!!!

Rottolover



Joined: 21/06/2009
Posts: 519

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 17:07

However, Roomy, post 125 isn't included in the 'arguing reasonably' bit....

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 17:09

Rotto, post 125 is when the C44 mist started to get hold of him

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 17:09

Meh, sometimes I slip the leash.

Rottolover



Joined: 21/06/2009
Posts: 519

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 17:14

proger1, I note you joined this forum around two months before I did, yet you've posted more than four times as often.



Has anyone ever called you 'prattling proger' by any chance?



Not that I ever would, you understand...

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 17:19

I don't think so but then do you have a job that pays you lots of money to sit around waiting for something to happen and you get so bored you end up wasting half your life on a forum like this, probably not. You are absolutley correct and you can call me that if it makes you feel better, I won't be offended, I have to find something to do with my expensive time

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 18:33

Here you'll find the person that had written the story which has moral to it,in msg 118



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasreddin



read and learn........

russler


Joined: 04/09/2009
Posts: 71

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 11:09

If any of you WOULD like to see Tony in prison, the visiting times are:- Tuesday 8.30am to 11.30am - 1.30pm till 4.30pm. The same times are allowed on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Let us see how many turn up to see him!

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 18:11

my view on it is the kids should have been there in the first place and the guy who lent them the scooter should be prosecuted



and so should the blind gimp that actually killed them



the sentance was unfair but you would have to accept due to the crap laws and cos hes e xpat



trnc is sinking fast

Railroad


Joined: 29/06/2010
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:26

I have read all of this thread. And you all have your points of view. Some have good merit, others are miles away from the mark.

You put your selves in Anthony,s position, and you tell me, would you sit in a prison cell and say that you had been responsible for killing these children ?, your fault.

You may say your were involved in this accident, but were you at FAULT.

This country,s legal system Stinks.

And before you disagree, just be carefull the next time you drive at night, it could be you next.



Railroad

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:47

msg 138;



also...............just be carefull,next time it could be your kid/s on the road.



All I'm trying to do is that,there are two sides to coin.



As for "This country,s legal system Stinks."



What country?The one that doesn't even exist in the eyes of the world,or is it the one that most of you had come and bought because of cheap prices?



Time to come out of shell is long overdue.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:52

Msg 139



which party's do you think were contributors to the deaths of the two children?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:59

msg 140;

Both.Wrong place,wrong time!One (2 kids) paid with their lives,and 'you' want the other to walk away!

Are you prepaired to admit to that?

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 01:12

I thought there were 3 partys involved in this tragic accident, the third being a TC gentleman in another vehicle, who has not yet come to court.

I do not want to see anyone who has genuienly been found to have contributed to any deaths to walk away blameless if their actions by driving without care were proven.If not proven they were as you say in the wrong place at the wrong time.

zihni007


Joined: 11/06/2011
Posts: 85

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 01:38

well its a shame what happend, could have happen to anyone, in uk he would have get 14 years not 14 months , but suppose , there is nothing much to say, i ve been to see him in prison cause i ve bought his house ,

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 09:02

The real 'shame' is attributable to those who incarcerated an aged, sick man in such appalling conditions for so long.

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 09:07

Got 2 agree Ten and no doubt Rudolph Hess would have as well

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 09:29

Tenakoutou;

What ones age got to do with crime one have commited?



Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.



http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Democracy

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 09:50

As sad as the whole case is, the fact is that the under-age, unlicensed, uninsured lads shouldn't have been there in the first place - indisputable!



It sounds, only from what is reported, that this accident was unavoidable, especially bearing in mind that the road was unlit.



However, whatever the circumstances, driving without due care and attention, not causing death by dangerous driving, was the verdict.



Admittedly, we haven't been told of Mr. A.D's previous driving record - was that taken into account, one has to wonder?



What would you wish to have done to the man as punishment, 'Yorg' - the guillotine?

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 09:58

msg 143.



You got a real bargain if it was you who bought tonies beautiful house.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 10:22

What 'punishment' he may be given is irrelevant,insisting 'he was innocent' is.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 09:11

It may be irrelevant to you and others with a similar mentality, but to anyone with a compassionate nature, locking an old, sick man up for so long, prior to trial, in such gruesome gaol conditions is nothing short of blatant brutality.



How do you know for sure that he isn't innocent?



It's pretty obvious that he pleaded guilty in order not to be forced to spend months more in that foetid gaol during the summer court 'recess' period.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 09:48

"It may be irrelevant to you and others with a similar mentality"

perhaps you mean 'nuteral and realistic'!



"but to anyone with a compassionate nature!

.......about what??Only you and likes are compassionate??



"in such gruesome gaol conditions is nothing short of blatant brutality. "



sounds like you've been there!



"How do you know for sure that he isn't innocent? "

The death of 2 kids!



I hope he is well and healty whilst in there.



If you need to know about good old,great british justice,let me know.I have plenty to tell.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 10:01

I was horrified to see an English man drive off the other day on his new scooter without a helmet !



Its bad enough that we feel its not safe to take a car out on the roads because of the stupidity of others then you watch something like this.. I wanted to say to his wife where is his helmet but decided that if you wants to become another statistic that's down to THEM..But its so often other peoples mistakes that make us suffer !



Just keep your eyes looking everywhere there is stupidity all roads but some so over here ! Shame on this scooter driver yesterday !



Spider,X

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 10:21

Hi Spider.



i just went for petrol in catalkoy,2 girls on a scooter shorts and t shirts,must be on holiday,and you guessed it,both had no helmets.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 10:26

Yorg, so your contention is that he is automatically guilty no matter how the accident occurred?

Are you serious or just playing Devil's Advocate?

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 10:35

Dave and the others its about time you helped your own..Boy do they need it !!..





Perhaps you all do not have an idea on where to start lol







Spider,X

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 12:09

Groucho;

In year 2002 my sister went to 'private' hospital in Guzelyurt for an operation(laser) on her knee,because she slipped and damaged her ligaments.On the op. day,she was naturaly given anesthetic by anesthetist,which she never woke up from.

After 7 years,the judge decided to reward the ones left behind to pick up the pieces for 100.000 tl,in which I said in return,"would you allow me to pay 200.000 and have the right to kill him?"



Everytrhing we do today is a risk and when we fail,which we all do from time to time,we must pay for it,one way or another.One having the qualifications to do such things does not also have the right to **** up,but one simply has to make sure s**t does not happen.When a car in front of you stops in a sudden and you hit it,you can't say 'but he/she stopped with no reason'!You are simply guilty for hitting.Nor does having a license give you the right to kill someone without!

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 12:12

msg 156 cont,



oh.......and..........please don't go into emotional blackmail regarding ones age or health condition.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 12:12

msg 156 cont,



oh.......and..........please don't go into emotional blackmail regarding ones age or health condition.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 12:18

Yorgozlu..........If the man in question had swerved to miss the children on the bike and smashed into an oncoming car and killed the occupants, in your eyes, who would have been to blame ?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 12:45

Washerman............"in my eyes"...........hmmmmmmmmmmm,



Having a licence to drive/ride only allows you to drive/ride,everything else is 'your' responsibility.Hence the reason for having to have insurance.



Blame who 'you' like,it changes nothing.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 12:54

OK, but dodging a question is easy, answering it honestly not so

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 13:00

>>dodging a question<


One that hits and kills/injures is GUILTY.



Is that simple enough for you to understand?

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 15:04

Only if it is their fault!

Not simple, just stupid and unthinking!

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 15:57

Ok Yorg,put the boot on the other foot,you or one of your kids swap places with Mr Davey.

Are you guilty now?

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 16:48

I see where yorg is coming from. You have to understand "justice" is not the same or perceived the same in all countries. As he would have been in Turkey or anywhere in the Middle east Mr Davy held some responsibility as he was "there" if he had not been "there" or in the country the accident would not have happened. The apportionment of guilt is up to the courts to decide which I understand they are in the process of doing not only with Mr Davy. Where I do not agree is the 'eye for an eye" mentality especially in this case as blame can be apportioned in many directions including the local govt for not lighting this stretch of road and the youngsters themselves, the one that lent the bike etc etc.

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 16:51

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7qQLJCdMC0

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 17:22

Oh Amanda who wears David's trousers please post the others you know full well he wont let you leave it till another day









Victor

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 21:10

gooligan;

YES

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 21:19

Spider.



Not many can wear his trousers i think @ a guess id say 29" inside leg, Little legs



Shssssssss



Dont tell him i said that

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 21:32

Yorg,in that case we can be thankful you have nothing to do with the law.

Read your msg 160 again.You just contradict yourself.The 2 lads had no licence and no insurance so by your reasoning they shouldn't have been driving.

Did you actually read the judges statement?

This is what he said.

The teenagers who were killed were underage,had no licence,no protective clothing and there is no evidence that the scooter had any working lights.

We have taking into consideration the health of Mr Davey,the fact that he has been honest,has no other criminal record,was helpful to the Police on the night,he has been co-operating with the Police and has pleaded guilty.

He is not a traffic monster.He was not speeding.He was not under the influence of alcohol.There was no intention to kill.

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 21:36

14 months.



Take him down.



Right or wrong.



I know my thoughts.



See you soon tony.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 21:43

gooligan;

"Read your msg 160 again"

I have.Now your turn,only this time take tmy comments for Mr.Davey.(as hard as it may be)

You all go on about the 2 kids,not having this ,that and the other,or perhaps more simply nothing.What IF those 2 kids had everything?

Mr.Davey at the age of 72 was obviously not capable of the due care for others on the road.

IbrahimAbi


Joined: 24/10/2010
Posts: 245

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 21:45

msg 146 Yorg think youself lucky that another wolf came to help the TRNC lamb in 74.



the issue here is justice, not British justice or TRNC justice, or politics.



Should a man be found guilty of 'KILLING' boys who were in blatant disregard for all international standards of safety and decency

Un insured vehicle

driven without licence or permission

Driven without lights on during hours of darkness

ridden without wearing adequate safety clothing

Alert? did anyone take blood tests for banned substances on the boys?

Out after curfew?





No one has heard the full story here but we are so quick to judge, and inflame sentiments

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 21:46

I think they should let yorg kill him, then let someone kill yorg and so on and so forth.



That was a joke btw, I know how literal some are here.Hahahahahaha...

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 21:52

little off topic;



>>>msg 146 Yorg think youself lucky that another wolf came to help the TRNC lamb in 74.<<<<



...............and lived to regret ever since

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 21:55

Yorg,how on earth do you work that out,because he couldn't see a scooter with no lights on at night?

What about the 2 lads not having any due care for others on the road?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 21:58

msg 173;

"Should a man be found guilty of 'KILLING' boys who were in blatant disregard for all international standards of safety and decency "



One that's concerned of all above should habve choosen to live in an international recognised place and not in cheap TRNC!



"No one has heard the full story here but we are so quick to judge, and inflame sentiments "



Blimey,you are quick!It only took 170+ posts for you to wake up and funny enough no mention about the possibility of the kids being innocent!

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 22:00

A friend of mine was walking down a road 1 day in manchester,he picked up a box,not knowing what this box was and very curious,he took it home and opend it,well bust it open,it was before the days of the dye packs that security companies put dye pack in money boxes when moving boxes of money from premises or banks to the security vehicle.

Anyway when he opened or bust the box open he found there was just short of 16000 pounds in the case,happy days

He was taking it to the police station in his car and just happend to get stopped by the police,the police looked or searched his car,they found the box with the money in it,they wanted to charge him with stealing by finding,of course they wanted to charge him with some thing more sinister @ first,as they did not believe he was taking it to the police station or found it,in the end,he got a reward from the security company and did not get charged.



But it could of been different.



Wrong place @ the wrong time.



Same as tony.

IbrahimAbi


Joined: 24/10/2010
Posts: 245

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 22:01

Maybe we have a real job and cannot be online all the time,



innocent people do not take bikes without permission etc etc etc, get licences before riding etc etc, put lights on etc etc

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 22:03

Thats the problem with the police Dave,someone is always to blame,no matter what.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 22:13

m,sg 179;

"Maybe we have a real job and cannot be online all the time, "

Thats fair enough.



"innocent people do not take bikes without permission etc etc etc, get licences before riding etc etc, put lights on etc etc"



and,I suppose not having all above gives you the right or makes you innocent if you hit and kill/injure them?Or even use it as an excuse yet again to knock TRNC or it's system.No one is forced(including myself) to live here!Ones that don't like it,..........(you all know what that is)

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 22:20

Msg 181



and there we have it, if you don't like yorgs opinions leave TRNC, Hahahahahahahahahaha...

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 22:23

msg 182;



>>>>>>opinions<<<<<


the level is proved.

crying is what you should be doing for all you are missing!

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 22:29

Yorg,I thought the police report said he didn't hit them,they hit him.

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 22:33

My teeth are full of coconut, I think I prefer bounty bars.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 22:34

Whatever Yorg is on... I want some.

There is obviously no convincing him that you can be innocent of killing somebody even though you were the driving the car that hit them. I just hope no child runs out in front of him in the dead of night dressed all in black because he'll have to commit suicide to assuage his guilty conscience.. and we wouldn't want that would we?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 22:57

gooligan;

You thought!!??







http://www.haberhavadis.com/ic-haberler/bogazda-facia-2-olu.htm

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 23:05

It's too late to matter now Yorg,at the end of the day the 2 lads were driving illegally and therefore shouldn't have been on the road,a fact you can't come to terms with.

Clara


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 136

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 23:14

Pity Cyprus Today didnt print the photo that Kıbrıs showed of hin sticking the middle finger up to the press and cursing the country.How respectful was that to the dead boys parents?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 23:17

I agree 100% that the 2 kids should not have been on the road and they were there illegaly.FACT.



Would all above give ME the right to hit/kill them?Or,do I(with an international licence) have due care(responsibility) for others on the road.



remember the basic traffic rule?You(I) hit from behind,your(MY) fault.



perhaps,you'll find that it is not me that cannot come to terms with what happened .

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
17/06/2011 07:55

Nobody has said he had a right to kill them, he ran into them accidentally as they launched across the road in front of him with no lights and wearing dark clothing.... that's an accident, possibly unavoidable once they'd started their manoeuvre and the Judge has let it be known that had Mr Davy not pleaded as he did (possibly on the doubtful advice of his lawyer) they would have been minded to discharge the driver... So the Judge who sat through the evidence and knows that Mr Davy was innocent has to accept his plea and sentence him. Mr Davy under the mistaken impression that his lawyer was giving him the best advice pleaded guilty thinking it was his best chance of release from the nightmare. An accident specialist lawyer would have had Mr Davy out on bail and able to defend himself without the threat of Summer Recess.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
17/06/2011 08:43

This post mortem has gone on long enough. Is there going to be an appeal? If not, this is all pointless.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
17/06/2011 09:04

Not until yorg has the last word.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
17/06/2011 09:30

What, it seems, we haven't been told, is where, precisely T.D's car sustained the crash damage - side, front, rearside - left or right?



The fact remains that due to the prevailing unlit road conditions, and if the boys did, factually, cross in front of him so closely that he collided with 'their' scooter, the time for them to pass through the spread of his headlights could only amount to a millisecond - hardly time for even a police trained, or Formula 1, driver to react to avoid them!

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
17/06/2011 10:05

It is tragic that two young boys died, but it was an ACCIDENT, that said Mr Davey will have to live with that fact for the rest of his life which will be punishment enough.

I just hope that some good comes out of this, I hope against hope that parents will try to encourage their children to behave responsibly in future when driving and that they will try to teach them common sense and road safety, both sadly lacking here I'm afraid.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
17/06/2011 10:51

Very well said hattikins good post the thing is it has to come from the parents FIRST ! ! ! !



And looking at this thread it seems some have no idea about road safety and common SENSE remember most find CHANGE hard..after all this is the way they have been doing things for YEARS !



yorgzulo A man walked out in front of my daughters car one very dark night..I bet his parents told him if you ever do that you are going to kill yourself...Well let me TELL YOU HE KNEW HE WOULD KILL HIMSELF ! And he nearly KILLED MY DAUGHTER TOO ! Please phone me on this one if you feel the need to post with regards to it and I will let you know what the police report stated= {{The human brain is unable to react fast enough !}}



All best wishes and prayer to Anthony and the family of these children today and every day.



Maria and Vic.xx

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
17/06/2011 10:54

To be honest I think that it is very sick that 44 has even let this thread go so far !









MR BOOTS

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
17/06/2011 10:56

Take another look at message 99









Hmm..





Lucy

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
17/06/2011 11:16

So,you think that he had pleaded guilty because his lawyer who is there to defend him at best interest for his/her client proves the fact that he is innocent?Or is the judge whom you conviniently assume,thinks/beleives of his innocency!Or is it like Tenakoutou mentions,unlit road conditions,the boys crossed in front of him so closely but rather conviniently forgets to mention that Mr.Davey MIGHT have been driving too close to the boys?



In reality,none of above matters any longer,the boys are gone.What does matter is the fact that most of you has the cheek to sit there and argue 1-without knowing the actual facts(including myself),2-None of you (other then couple)had even thought of those boys,if you did this thread would have started under different name.Can't imagine more self centred people.

Do yourselves and the rest of humans favour.Tie a robe round your necks and rock at the other end.Drop it down to sea by the cliffs.

AnthonySmith


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
17/06/2011 11:17

And breathe....

AnthonySmith


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
17/06/2011 11:19

And breathe....