MM's Free VPN...Abuse of.. :(

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 09:31

Now may be this is deliberate.. I don't know..



Someone is using MY VPN test account to file share.. I've received an "initial copyright infringement notice" !!



>>Initial Infringement Timestamp: 12 Jun 2011 16:53:22 GMT



Recent Infringement Timestamp: 12 Jun 2011 16:53:22 GMT



Infringers IP Address: xxx.xxx etc {I've altered this}



Protocol: BitTorrent



Infringed Work: Megamind



Infringing File Name: Megamind.DVDRip.XviD-DEFACED



Infringing File Size: 808298820



Bay ID: fe80ecdda9128cdc75e42b40c46cdc2b74433e84|808298820



Port ID: 52326



Infringer's DNS Name: { I've blanked this out}<<



I'm sorry folks, but I can't / won't allow this to happen again - why should *I* get into trouble ?



Who-ever you are STOP IT... NOW.. you are spoiling this free service for EVERYONE else..



I've had to look at log files and I know the IP address of the 'naughty person'... if they persist the WILL get blocked and their details passed on to their ISP.



No Piracy on my VPN,

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 09:44

it might be another IP address 6ms,the person may be useing a ip address changer could that be possible?



The wonders of the internet

AnthonySmith


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 10:12

I'm sure - or hope - whoever is responsible didn't do it on purpose. The culture of file sharing in North Cyprus is on a scale I never imagined back in the UK. Well done, MMMMMMs for taking a stance.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 10:17

re msg 3



AntonySmith



Thanks.. I'm hoping it was an oversight... but the attitude demonstrated in msg 2 doesn't give me much hope.. :(

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 10:35

6ms.



Why do you always post with such a negative attitude?



In msg2 i have asked you a question with you being the internet / sat teccie /wizard,ive asked you is it possible to use an IP address changer,so im asking could the IP address you have be a wrong IP address.



Chill out for gods sake,if you cant answer the question in msg2,no problem,sorry for asking.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 10:37

Sorry folks this is serious..



I need the person who's done this to send me an email assuring me that they won't do this again.. I assure the person that you will remain nameless and your contacting me will save the day for many folk.



IF I don't receive the assurance within 48 hours I'll HAVE to suspend the VPN.... I simply can't take the risk



Can folks please pass the msg on?

AnthonySmith


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 10:40

I am not a member of your VPN whatever; don't know how it works and not really interested TBH.

However, can you not just block one person rather than punish all?

I sympathise with you and am not trying to spark an argument, far from it.

It is not nice you've had a warning shot across your bows about copyright infringement.

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 11:01

With all due respect 6ms,i thought you might of seen this coming with you being the clever techie that you are,surely giving out a free VPN must spell trouble for you,but i suppose if some 1 is selling a VPN for £5 per month,that could of been your reason for offering a free VPN.

You have reassured people on cyp44 that you dont look at anything of people useing your VPN,but you can look @ the log files of people useing your VPN,as you say in this thread,you have the IP address,myself personally i would not be happy useing your free VPN with some of the private work i do on the internet,my banking,my trade contacts,ect ect.

Anyone could be useing your VPN for all kinds of downloads and of course it comes back to just 1 man,"you"now i am not so savvy regarding the internet and how it works,but if im honest i saw this day coming a mile off,i never spoke of it as then you would of pointed the finger.



Good luck inthe future.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 11:02

Hi AntonySmith



>>However, can you not just block one person rather than punish all? <<



Sadly, not.. as I've explained ( when 'accused' of 'harvesting email addresses') - I HONESTLY don't know who uses the system - the user name / password is printed in the open.



All I can say is that the user is based in 'Turkey' .. As I only give this account to folks in 'TRNC' .



If I made it so as folks had to email for a user name and password - which I'm happy to do - they could pass the details on to someone who ( unknown to them) continues to abuse the service.





The ONLY way to do this is to create unique user ids / passwords and I can't do THAT for free :(





If anyone who is IT literate has a suggestion - I'm all ears...



As I said, please pass this message on - I don't want to stop this service and I WON'T - if the culprit advices me it won't happen, AGAIN.





If someone offers you a DVD of " Megamind " - starring Brad Pitt - pls ask 'em if they used my VPN to get it !

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 11:08

re msg 8



My giving out MY VPN for free was my decision - based on being an ex-pat myself... it had NO commercial / anti-commercial reasoning behind it .. this has been explained MANY times..



Having someone's IP (As I've previously said - I keep them 24 hours - and NEVER had to look at them until this am ) merely tells me the origin of the connection ... mine suggests I'm in Harrogate, Yorks - but I live in Glos'shire !



I suspect your participation in this thread isn't to be 'helpful' and I'm afraid your suggestions re 'traceability' demonstrate that you aren't in IT :(

loulou



Joined: 14/05/2008
Posts: 785

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 11:10

Hi mmmmmm,as you say to stop this abuse i would gladly pay you for a unique id and password

if thats what it will come to at the end of the day,many thanks for your great service

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 11:13

Again 6ms,you assume,and are wrong,i also think its wrong if some 1 is abusing your "FREE" VPN,but as ive already stated,the writing was on the wall.



Good luck

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 11:19

Hi Loulou



That's kind of you, but I'm simply not geared up to offer a commercial service to end users.. My VPN is a commercial one and users pay 19.99 / month :(





IF the 'culprit' remains silent, I'll have to close the free service and I'll post links to alternatives.. I'm NOT going to be accused of this being some sort of 'plan'...



I REALLY want the 'naughty' person's PRIVATE reassurance and we can all continue to benefit ... they probably don't know (... although they MUST know how I feel about copyright theft..) how serious such theft is taken in the UK... As far as the 'copyright police' are concerned the IP is MINE..... in the UK...



Shows how good the vpn is, I guess :(

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 11:28

re msg 12



I do not understand the italics around the word free.. please explain...



AS I never gave a thought to someone abusing the service in such a way - and I'm genuinely shocked - I can only 'thank you' for your 'foresight' and 'wonder' at your abilities ... :(

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 11:34

6ms.



Foresight is a wonderful thing,and when in business you should always have "foresight" or at least David keeps telling me i should

You should always look at the long winding road ahead even if its not there to see.





Amanda.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 11:47

Re msg 15



Could you apply your 'near sight' - as you seemed to have missed ..



>>I do not understand the italics around the word free.. please explain... <<



In the meantime, I'm hoping that the person who has used the VPN to download the film will 'come clean' ( privately) and other members can continue to use the VPN for nought..

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 11:49

I downloaded Eastenders and Corrie for my neighbour on Sunday night and am not sure if I was logged into your VPN,if I was I apologise and will make sure once I've done the lottery I will log out but had nothing to do with megamind,I downloaded that weeks ago

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 11:52

re msg 15 continued



How is a business consideration involved in a philanthropic gesture...? STILL suggesting 'hidden agendas ?' :(



At least your replies are keeping this thread at the top.. THAT might be helpful in solving the 'problem' and the word will get out !

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 11:55

Hi Gooligan



re msg 17



I know you're 'poking me' but those actions wouldn't get my VPN closed down... !

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 12:05

Sorry.missed your questions,i was reading your friend pauls forum and talking to david in chat there.

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 12:09

Mark

I cannot believe some people, sorry to read about the abuse. If it continues you could be very selective on who you give your 'new password' out to, ie those you know and trust. I hope it resolves itself!



Richard

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
14/06/2011 12:13

re msg 20



>>Sorry.missed your questions,i was reading your friend pauls forum and talking to david in chat there.<<



I believe you mean Proger1 who IS a nice chap, and only ZC has been listed in chat / active on there in the last 15 minutes..



Take you time....

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 12:21

We was in a private room,sorry to not allow prying eyes.



David was just telling me he was deleting some comments from some 1 called marki smith from him youtube animations,mmmmmmmmmm i feel so hungry,i think its time for lunch



i shall have a look @ your question later,if thats ok with you?

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 12:22

Hi Richard



This is what I used to do - issue the username / p/word to folks I knew..



I opened it up to all and REALLY want to keep it that way...



I'm STILL hoping we can all learn from this and the 'naughty user' will come forward in private - by email - this is not about a witch-hunt - I have to give the authorities an assurance it won't happen again.. how can I do THAT unless the user knows this ( using my VPN to torrent and SHARE a movie ! ) is a 'no-no' ..

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 12:27

Dear 'O'



It is noted that you have time to post (possibly) negative insinuations but not to explain them - when highlighted...

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 12:30

0maintenance the apprent 'joy' you expressed in msg 2, three smileys, at someone using MM's VPN service to download content illegaly and thus threaten it being made available to people who have been using it till now, speak volumes as far as I am concerned. Such schadenfreude (pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others) is not becomming at all to me. As you spend much of your time here advertising your commerical services, I would suggest with respect, such behaviour does you no favours. Certainly it would influence my decision as to if I would use your commercial services or not.

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 12:31

Sorry you feel that way 6ms.



Having lunch now my friend.



Talk later.



mmmmmmmm this looks so yummy.



On no.i need some ice marnnn for my drink,there is non left in the fridge

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 12:36

erols.



i use the smileys just as much as 6ms uses them in many and i mean many of his posts.



whats good for the goose seems good for the ganda,if i choose to use emotions then i shall,an you can come to what conclusion you wish as to why i use emotions.



Also you live in a free society to choose what you eat and what you use.



I hope you do choose wisely my friend

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 12:41

If mark was to express pleasure at others misfortune my reaction would be the same. The point I am making is that your behaviour here in regards to MM in this thread and in ohters can bring you no benefit that I see but could well have a negatvie impact on your business. If 'indulging' yourself in this manner is more important to you than the possible negative impact such indulgence has on your own busniess, that is indeed your choice. You too should choose wisely in my humble opinion.

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 12:56

Erolz



Again as i say,6ms revels in emotions when he is writing in the forum to other people.



Again i say regarding myself,the use of emotions is widespread,they are there to show some happiness in our mood.

In my message 12 i offer 6ms some sympathy in that some one is mis useing his VPN,such a pity that some one has accidently done so without realising the problems they could cause him.



We can all look into other peoples postings and twist them about,re shuffle the words to suit our perverse sense of humours,but to read a post as it was written i feel for some is very hard,as most folk seem to have an argumentative streak buried within.By the way erolz,0maintenance is not davids/AKA zerochlors company,zerochlor is davids company.



Amanda

erolz


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Message Posted:
14/06/2011 13:07

Amanda in msg2 it seems clear to me you are expressing happiness. How else am I supposed to interpret 3 smileys in a row ? It seems that you were happy that someone was abusing MM's free service to a degree that threatend its continued usage by people here. If that is not the case then say so and I will accept that. However if it was the case that you were happy about this abuse and wanted to express that happiness publicaly, as it clearly seems to be the case in msg 2, then I say again, such an expression of happiness at other peoples misfortune is not a very becomming impression you create. My understanding is you work for zerochlor and also work at zero maintenance property managment company ? If I am wrong about this then sorry but that is the impression you give from your posting here. You also give the impression of being happy at what happened with regards to MM's vpn. I personaly would not use your services because of this.

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 13:24

Erolz



As i said above,i hope you make the right choice in your life.



If i say that is not the case and you will accept it,does that mean you will give me an appology?



Yes i am happy,im living in cyprus in the beautiful sun and clean air and next to the sea why should i not be happy.

And just to say Erolz,i personally would not offer you my services as they are for select clients and i mean select

I feel it is yourself who is trying to create an impression in your posts,an impression you have of my postings,i appreciate your opinions of how you read into my posts,but on this occasion your thoughts are so very wrong,but this is what happens when you do not know the facts and do not know nothing about a person and can only pressume which i think can be very dangerous,as you are painting a wrong picture of some one based on your own readings or understandings.

In reality i think life is not how you wish to read it.



Amanda

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 13:30

So your response to MM's post with three smileys was NOT expressing happiness at the situation he reported but was just a general expression of happiness with life and not connected to marks first post at all ? Is this what you are saying ?

I am very aware as to how one can misinterpret another posters meanings which is why I explained how your message 2 came accross to me and why and why having understood it that way, why it could be damaging to you. I did this exactly so you could understand the effect it had on me and explain otherwise if my interpretation was incorrect.

All I saw was mark reporting an unfortunate situationthat could have ramifications for many people who use this forum and you appreantly expressing happiness at that. If you can not see how or why this impression was created by you, and the damage that does to yourself and by extension the business you promote here so be it. Your choice.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 13:40

Hi Erolz



just to let you know that one of zero's alter egos posted a link to a youtube vid that libels me this morning and the mods kindly removed the link - I have reported the content to youtube.. but I'm not holding my breath :(



It is noted that zero has managed to engage you, but STILL left the question of the insinuation re the use of inverted commas around the word free - regarding my VPN.



It does seem to be an unfortunate habit of certain posters to insinuate - without any basis in FACT.





I have NEVER knocked Dave's business, as I know b'all about swimming pools or their upkeep.. and it is clear that his / Amanda's 'promotion' of such a video says more about THEM :(

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 13:58

Re : Msg 34,



See Msg 28 @

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/65752.asp

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 14:02

erolz, before I say anything, let me apologise in advance.



I won't respond to one of your long, rambling posts so if you want a response, please keep your reply brief and simple.



You seem to be defending mmmmmm a lot recently.



I wonder why are proper controls not in place on mmmmmm's VPN to stop this sort of thing happening - is his VPN a free-for-all ?

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 14:03

Erolz



What i say is my opinion,as i said i respect yours,but dont to try push my postings out of context with how i wrote them or try hard to paint a picture otherwise.



We cannot show sad emotions :( :(



Not that i would of posted a sad emotion anyway,why should i be sad,i pay for a private VPN,it costs me 1.5 drinks per month,£5,so the £5 pounds i spend is better than me drinking that £5,as i said before,i would not trust 6ms VPN with the business and banking that i do and useing forex and also business contacts that i contact,so i choose to pay for my VPN,as will all things,all good things come to an end some day,so the saying goes.

your post 33 is greatly exagerated i must say, you say, (could have ramifications for many people) why could it,theres 100s of VPNs out there that can be bought for £5 a month,so if his fails,buy a replacement,life is that simple,find another,dead easy really,its nothing to get worked up about or excited over,well i dont think so anyway.

Thank t

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
14/06/2011 14:10

Message 34



6ms.



i am amanda,and i or zerochlor have not engaged erolz,he came into the thread,i did not ask him,but of course i felt the need to answer his questions.



Markie mark,david cannot post here so i feel its not fair on him to talk about him here as he cannot defend himself,he has just asked me to pass you a message to go across to the other forum or contact him via his website if you have any problems regardin your" FREE " vpn that he can help you with

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 14:12

Washerman I speak as I find. I found 0maintenace's posts 2 to seem to be expressing 'happiness' at a situation that could affect many people and said so and pointed out that as such it could reflect badly on her and the services she promotes. I said so openly. I am not 'defending' MM, I am 'crisitising' what I understood from 0m's post, whilst keeping opne the possibility that I misinterpreted her posts.



MM's service is a free for all, in the sense that it is free and allows many users to connect using the same log in details. As such it can be abused in ways a paid for service can not, or a free service that assigned indivdual log ins to each free user can not. As such a single indivdual can threaten its use by others, which is what seems to have happened in this case. It is sad that someone might do this but thats life. The same issue exists with 'free' wifi hotspots. These can be used to abuse the free service and can threaten such a service as a result.

AnthonySmith


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 14:17

Washerman, it's out of order. A grudge is one thing, but that's doing no service to yourself or your reputation.

Omaintenance - Amanda - at times you post in exactly Zerochlor's style. I would say it would be pretty hard to replicate, but you seem to do it effortlessly. Don't try and pull the wool over people's eyes, and why post links to things that are downright stupid? Again, you are doing yourself no credit, if you are Amanda or David.

I'm no ally of mmmmm. I've had my own 'fallouts' with him, but life goes on, and I try to be fair.

This goading is very boring. The bloke has had a threat about someone using his vpn to download a movie. Why can't he just be allowed to say what he wants without you two bickering at him?

Jeez, get a life.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 14:18

re 35



Thx Clarissa2



I'm sure the mods can 'dispose' of of THAT link, too ... I guess zero must have a 'trojan virus' !!



re 36, Washerman



>>You seem to be defending mmmmmm a lot recently. <<



Are you suggesting 'bias' in ErolZ' erudite and reasoned responses?



>>I wonder why are proper controls not in place on mmmmmm's VPN to stop this sort of thing happening - is his VPN a free-for-all ?<<



As you only recently suggested that I tracked users for some sort of agenda - you seem to have 'changed your tune'..



What controls would you suggest ? !



re msg 37 , one of zero's alter egos..



>>i would not trust 6ms VPN with the business and banking that i do <<

and the basis of THAT would be, please..? ANOTHER negative with no basis in fact..:( STILL await your reasoning for the inverted commas around Free.. I expect you are implying it isn't free - that there is some cost involved...



Your non response is 'illuminating' ..

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 14:18

Is it possible that one of his free customers have been tickled up the wrong way by him?



Is it possible he could of upset some one some where?



Could it be a smokescreen to start introducing charges for this "FREE" VPN now that so many use it?Nice move if so!



Those are all viable questions to ask ones self.



There are always 2 sides to every story.



Up to now we only hear 1 side .

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 14:20

Oh and I will accept 'many people' may not be the best expression and could be seen as intentful exageration. I do not know how many people it would affect if MM has to close his free VPN service. I do know its more than just the person who has caused the problem. So appologise for the use of 'many' if that seemed to be intentful exagersation on my part. It was not. My point is simply that the actions of the person who has done this may well end affecting more than just that person, thats all I meant in my expression of 'many'.

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 14:21

I don't know why assigning individual logins is a problem - what type of user authentication is he using ?

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
14/06/2011 14:23

Message 40



Anthony



I sit opposite david in the office,i take notes,maybe i write what he is talking to me about,but at the end of the day its not the end of the earth.



Stop making mountains out of a mole hill and get a life jeez!

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 14:24

Washerman the issue I would assume with assigning indivdual logins for each free user is simply one of it takes incrementaly more time and work to do so for each free users compared with just allowing multiple use of a single free account.

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 14:26

To set up a user account takes seconds and is not a problem - what type of user authentication is he using ?

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 14:32

Message 13



6ms.



you say



Hi Loulou







That's kind of you, but I'm simply not geared up to offer a commercial service to end users.. My VPN is a commercial one and users pay 19.99 / month :(



Seems quite ironic to say the least that you tell every 1 that washermans sat TV is more expensive than what it costs in its country of origin and yet you sell a VPN for 20 quid,i only pay 5 pound for mine,you are 4 times more expensive :( :( :( oh i forgot,sad emotions dont work!

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 14:32

Washerman I think that seconds is an exageration. It is not a long process that is for sure but it is a process none the less, and one that would be required for each and every free users given access and its not just setting up the account, the free user then has to be emailed the deatils of that account and so on. A shortish process yes, but still more overhead than just using the single account for all. You asked why and I gave a guess at why.

As to what authentication he is using I do not see why that is relevant ? The issue is not one of authentication, but one of multi use of a single account, however it is authenticated.

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
14/06/2011 14:33

I think Erolz must be taking guidance from 6ms in skype before he replies to washermans reasonable questions

Washerman


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Message Posted:
14/06/2011 14:37

Erolz, if you knew anything about authentication on Linux (I presume that it is Linux) you wouldn't be backing up mmmmmm's assertion that it takes a lot of time to individually authenticate his VPN's users.



Usernames and Passwords can be set up in advance and just handed out as and when requested.



I ask what type of authentication he is using because I may be able to help him with his problem.



Answer this question first, then we can get onto helping him with controlling usage of his VPN

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 14:38

0maintenance you may think that but you are just plain wrong it the reality. I know how these things work. It seems pretty obvious to me why someone offering a free service like MM's would prefer to enable a single account for multi use than assign an indivdual one per free users and I am surprised washerman can not also see that. Anyway he asked the questions I have answered them.

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 14:43

Erolz.......I would never use a free VPN (for the same reason I don't use public swimming pools)



If someone pees in the pool, people might think that it is me !

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 14:44

Washerman authentication for a VPN is not dependant on operating system used. Yes multi one user accounts could be set up in advance and then emailed to each indivdual free user as they request them and all this take MORE time than just setting up a single account for multi use. I have little doubt that MM is aware that one option for him is to assign indivdual accounts to each free users, just as another is to ask the person who did this to stop and another is just to discontinue the service entirely. Those are his choices and for now he seems to have chosen option 2. THis may not work. If he wants or needs help in running his VPN service I am sure he would ask for it. The problem at its root is NOT that MM does not know how to set up a VPN service. The problem at root is the using of it to download copyrighted material.

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 14:50

Erolz..........You said

"authentication for a VPN is not dependant on operating system"

RUBBISH - If you know anything about Linux authentication, answer what is a very simple question - what type of authentication is mmmmmm using on his VPN?

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 14:50

Washerman I too choose to use a paid for service as my primary VPN service, though not quite for the same reasons you do. However I am aware that others do use marks free VPN service as their primary service and that for me it a useful backup as well. It is sad that 'abuse' of this service by one user threatens its use for others in my view, weather you use it yourself or not. Yes there are ways to stop such abuse but all of them would require more work for MM than the way he currently provides access. As to how much work we can argue about that till the cows come home but the plain undisputable fact is it require MORE work than how its currently set up. Only MM can decide if that extra work and overhead is worth it or not to provide what is a free service. If he was to decide it was not I would not blame him for such a decision. I would blame the person who was using the service to download copyrighted content illegaly.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 14:51

re 48



zero clue.. a demonstrated by the latest HOWLER..



>>Seems quite ironic to say the least that you tell every 1 that washermans sat TV is more expensive than what it costs in its country of origin <<



I said - specifically, that he was WAY overcharging - I used the word RIP OFF - and guess what the prices have fallen



>>and yet you sell a VPN for 20 quid,i only pay 5 pound for mine,you are 4 times more expensive<<



I wonder about things like contention .. how many use the VPN concurrently - the throughput - I DID say that it was a commercial application...



Washerman



I'll leave Erolz to respond.. it carries more weight.. I have spoken to Erolz once in THREE years..btw.. so much for your latest FIB....

suehowlittle


Joined: 31/10/2010
Posts: 1202

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 14:57

Mr 6m's



Thankyou for sending me the details of how to aquire a VPN. Unfortunately, I am not computer literate to do this with confidence.



Are you close enough to Karsiyaka for me to meet with you (with laptop) and would you help me please?



Even all the spiel above is quite beyond me. What does seem to come through it all though is a lot of 'venting spleen' and sheer nastiness. Why would this be the case when all you are doing is helping people?????



I did not, by the way guess at what you called 'an ulterior motive' - should I have done and am I now condemned to be a mere mortal and not worthy of your attention? lol. If you are just too busy then it really is OK, I have lived without British tv for 8 years, certainly do not ever, ever, ever want to watch the soaps.

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
14/06/2011 14:59

message 52



Im sorry if i was wrong



6ms.



I think you need to start choosing who you share your VPNs with my teccie friend,or i see problems ahead.



As ive always said, in life nothing is for "FREE" even if it seems to be.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 15:01

Washerman it is not rubbish to say how you authenticate a VPN connection is independant from the OS used, either at the client end or the server end. That is just a fact.

You can run a VPN server with linux as the OS or you could run one with Windows server as the OS. Both would support a range of 'standard' authentication protocols. You could run the server on any number of OS's. What authentication you can use is not locked to a given server OS. Some OS's will support as standard certain authentication protocols, but if they do not support one you want to use you can add it with software.

I could dig out what authentication MM is using for his free VPN service, but it is just not relvant to the problem as I see it so I really can not be bothered.



Windows server 'out of the box' supports the following VPN authentication protocals. Others could be added if needed. Same with linux.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc785072(WS.10).aspx

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 15:05

Can ANYONE answer what is a very simple question - what type of authentication is being used on mmmmmm's VPN ?

If ANYONE can tell me, I may be able to help mmmmmm with HIS problem

Seems that mmmmmm has abdicated responsibility to someone that he hasn't spoken to in three years

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 15:06

suehowlittle msg58 if you want I will happily help you set up your laptop to be able to use MM's free vpn service, or for that matter any VPN service paid for or otherwise. Not because it is MM's but simply because I have and do help untold people with PC problems of all kinds. Feel free to mail me at erolz@cream.org if you would like some help, I would be happy to offer it.

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 15:08

Erolz......I think that 'non-techies' will be wondering why you haven't answered my question !

Have you peaked?

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 15:09

Washerman he uses the default windows VPN authentication. That is if you set up a VPN (client) connection using windows XP, windows vista or windows 7, it will default to specfic authentication protocals. These are what marks free VPN uses.

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 15:13

Amanda..............Yes, very interesting !

VPN's available EVERYWHERE for £5.00 per month, but mmmmmm's VPN costs £19.99 per month.

I wonder how HE would describe the price difference - "Ripping People OFF" Perhaps !

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 15:15

Washerman can you now explain to me how knowing this information above will allow you to help MM solve this problem without requiring more work on his part ?

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 15:15

Oh, so he is not using Linux?

Navek



Joined: 01/06/2008
Posts: 2656

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 15:21

Hi mmmmmm,

Just in, just had time to read your 1st post.

I do use your VPN, but know not to use it while downloading.

If I have, it was done in error.

I know I have not downloaded Megamind.

Hope you resolve this problem soon.

Good luck.

Navek

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 15:23

Right.



6ms. This is my last post on the matter,why because its getting boring,were talking about a VPN here and nothing more or maybe the possibility of people having to pay £5 for a new VPN.



What i do find strange is this,when washerman used to explain to you why he had to charge the prices he did for his sat tv package,courier costs by air,import duties,kdv stoppages,army tax,ect ect,you dismissed all of his answers as total rubbish and still said it was a ripp off.



Now you are telling us/me that you must charge £19.99 per month for a VPN that i pay a fiver for because yours is commercial,i think thats a bad copp out 6ms,and i feel its you what is ripping people off with your 4 times over priced VPN,why should i believe your reason for charging 4 times more for a VPN?



By the way,this is just my own opinion.



I really do not like all this tittle tattle,but i feel we must look at everything fair.



Your VPN is a ripp off i think.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 15:23

Well, mmmmmm's asserted that he cannot 'easily' authenticate individual users and I know several ways that he can - I can help with that.

AND

I can also help him to 'automatically' stop users from downloading certain file types and better control his VPN users which will help him to continue to be able to offer a 'free' VPN to cy44 users.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 15:26

Washerman msg67. A VPN is a client / server application. Both the client (the users machine) and the server (the person who provides the service) machine must use the same protocals for authentication for the system to work as well as other protocals not related to authentication.

I can only tell you what is used at the client end, on my machine. I have no knoweldge of what OS the server machine uses, that is Marks machine not mine. However the protocals for authentication have to match at both ends so if you know what the client is using for a given service then you know what the server is using as well for that given connection. This does NOT however tell you what OS the server is using, which is why your claim that what OS the server is using is relevant makes no sense to me.

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 15:30

Erolz.....you don't seem to understand, maybe this is outside your knowledge base so, let me direct the question to Mark personally............................?

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 15:34

Washerman Mark said in message 9 "The ONLY way to do this is to create unique user ids / passwords and I can't do THAT for free ". This to me is totaly understandable given that the service is free. Setting up indivdual accounts for each free users IS MORE work than setting up a single one and that is true regardless of what authentication system you use.



Omaintenace you say MM's VPN service is a rip off. In fact he is offering 2 different VPN services (my VPN service provider offer many different services at many different prices as do most). Whilst his 'business' service at 20 pounds may be a rip off one can not argue that his free service is a rip off. Its free for heavens sake lol. That its use is threatened by abuse from one user does not change this fact.

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 15:39

Erolz.......I refer you to my answer in post 70 - I can help him to 'easily' individually authenticate his VPN users, but I need to know whether he is using Linux and what type of user authentication he is using (not protocol)

If mmmmmm can provide the answer to this question, we can then move onto better controlling the users of his VPN so, that they can't abuse it.

Then, he can carry on providing a 'free' VPN service for CY44 users

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 15:40

Washerman I am trying my best to understand. Maybe my failure to do so is entirely down to me and my ability to understand. Maybe its entirely down to you and your ability to explain. In most probability it is down to a combination of both of these.

In any case I do not understand the assertion that VPN services authentication meathod is defined by what OS the server runs on, it is not. Nor do I understand how changing the authentication meathod can solve the issue of abuse of such a VPN service. I do understand how changing to a indivdual account per user of the free service can protect it from such abuses (regardless of the authentication meathod used) just as I understand that such a solution requires MORE work than the current set up where a single account is used by many users.

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 15:48

Erolz, you know that we have UK VPN servers and that we 'easily' individually authenticate our users and have control policies in place that protect ALL our users from this type of abuse.

mmmmmm is using one account for many users, sort of like sharing a public IP address with many other people - if one user gets black-listed, everyone is black-listed

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 15:52

Washerman msg 74. I am not trying to be obtuse here but I just do not understand what you are saying or why. Authentication is NOT the issue. Everyone using Marks free VPN is 'authenticated'. The problem is not in authentication. The problem is that many people use the same single account, however they authenticate themselves. You can authenticate users any way you want but if they all use the same account then the only simple way to stop abuse is to stop that account for all its users. If you assign indivdual accounts to indivdual users than you can stop the account of 'abusers' without affecting the other users, again regardless of what authentication meathod is used. However this solution does require more work for Mark than a single account.

Also any type of authentication is by defnintion a 'protocal'. That is a pre set pre arragned set of 'rules' as to how the process is done. It is meaningless to say "what type of user authentication he is using (not protocol) "

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 15:57

Think we have read all this crap not that long ago.

Get a room, a few bootles and either discuss it or knock lumps out of each.

Either option will suit

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 15:57

Washerman, any VPN service that charges will assign a single account to a single user and will NOT allow multiple simulteanous use of this single account. To do otherwise would be commercial suiside, as one person would pay for an account and then give the details to untold other people and they would all use it for the single charge of 5 pounds per month. When you are charging for the service setting up a single account per single user is not only not an issue time wise it is the only sensible way to configure the service. Mark is NOT charging for his service so understandably he has configured it in such a way as to require the absolute minimum of work on his part.

As to sharing a single public IP address with many users, this is common practice, not just in the provision of VPN services but in internet access in general. My ISP here and many others around the world will use a external public IP address for many of their users. The same with VPN services [cont]

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 16:01

Erolz......................just STOP ! mmmmmm has said that individually authenticating users is a long process and will stop him from being able to offer a 'free' VPN.

I have tried to help by asking a couple of simple questions that will enable me to offer him help that will enable him to 'easily' authenticate individual users and therefore, continue to offer a free VPN.

You don't ssem to know or, understand about user authentication - if you did, you would understand where I am coming from.

mmmmmm - over to you, it's your business, can you answer a couple of simple questions about it ?

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 16:02

My VPN service that i pay for and uses is a shared public IP address service. That is many indivdual users of this service, all with indivdual VPN accounts, will appear to be using the same single public IP address. They offer a service where I am assigned an indivdual public IP address that no other users shares and this service is considerably more exspensive as a service because of this. All companies that sell VPN services as a core busniess offer dedicated IP address services and shared IP address services. I doubt that the TIC VPN service offers a dedicated public IP address for excample but actualy offers a shared one. I assume this because of the price of the service and the fact that if it was offering the 'premium' dedicated public IP service it would say so on its website and it does not to the best of my knowledge.

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 16:04

Erolz........I can tell from the language that you are starting to use that you have been Googling. You will catch-on eventually !

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 16:07

Fine washerman I will stop after saying this (about authentication). However MM authenticates users, if they share a single VPN account then the potential for one user of that account actions to impact all the others remain. That is why authentication is a red herring as far as I understand all this. The issue is not authenticating use, its down to if you set up one account and allow many to use it or if you have to set up multi accounts per users. The later will always be more work thant the former, regrdless of how you authetnicate users.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 16:11

I think that you are agreeing with what I have said - are you not ?

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 16:13

mmmmmm, why do you not answer my questions.

Are you using Linux ?

What type of authentication are you using ?

Do you want help with user control policies ?

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 16:14

Message 73



i never said the "FREE" VPN was a rip off.



i said im paying £5 a month for a VPN. i think his 20 pound 1 is a rip off.



Mine does just the same job as a £20 one.

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 16:33

1 more thing erolz and 6ms.



I Knew id read about this problem somewhere before,now i realise it was in cyprus today going back to the 8th of january and also on this website http://www.ticproblemsolver.com/film_download_problems/



Again some people seem ahead of the pack in seeing the road ahead,something i spoke about somewhere in this thread.

Anyway 6ms,i do genuinley hope you get to the bottom of your mystery VPN naughty person and you can keep offering your "FREE" service to the ex pats,im ok,david pays for his and i can use that when i wish and when i want.

A message of warning 6ms,this what has happend to you could well be an accident or it could be something more sinister,im sure i once heard my dear old grandmother once say,"if you live in a glass house you should not throw stones"



I hope it is some kind of accident



Good night and good bless and happy chlorine free swimming folks

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 16:55

Washerman msg84 I am saying that authentcation is not the issue as I understand it, but using a single account with multiple simultaneous users is the issue (however you authenticate those simultaneous users of the single account). I do not see how changing authentication or what OS the server runs on relates to the problem is what I am saying.

0maintenance you may not understand what difference there is between a 5 pound per month VPN service and a more expensive option but there is a difference, which is why all the big VPN provider companies offer such different services at different prices. If there was no difference they would not offer such differently priced services and no one would pay fopr them. THey do offer them and people do pay for them, those that understand the difference that is.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 17:04

Erolz.......I have explained 'umpteen' times that the problem is as mmmmmm stated - individually authenticating users (as opposed to one authentication for many) is time consuming and expensive and will mean that he can no longer offer his 'free' VPN service.

I have repeatedly tried to help by asking a couple of simple questions which, neither you or, mmmmmm have been able to answer. Answer the questions and I will be able to offer advice which will enable 'you' to set up 'easy' user authentication which in turn, will enable the 'free' VPN service to continue - quaestions as in message 85

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 17:18

Washerman all users of a VPN service are authenticated, be they using a single account that allows many simultaneous users or using an account that only allows one indivdual user at a time. Either way they have to be authenticated. It is NOT the authentication that is time consuming. It is the setting up of one account per indivdual user that is time consuming vs setting up a single account that they can all use simultaneously. Either way every users is authenticated.

As to your question I have answered that part of it which I can answer, namely what authentication meathod MM's VPN uses. I have not answer the other question, what OS does his VPN server run on because I do not know. I STILL do not understand how either question is relevant to the problem at hand and nor has anything you have posted so far helped me to understand this. Maybe thats down entirely to me but I do not think that is the case but maybe it is.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 17:26

Washerman just likes to create problems for 6m's, Mark. Woe-betide that he should give anything away for free!



Richard

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 17:37

Mods - enough surely. old ground re covered and just the same 3 + 1 (zero playing as well now) at each others throats.

BTW - if Omaint.... says she is not posting on zero's behalf - believe that if you want.

If employed by zero - as she states - wish I had had a job where I can fart around all on forums etc like this and get paid for it!

6m's - i do not use your system - or anyone else's but do hope you get this situation resolved as I am sure a lot of people (who appear to use your thing) will miss out.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 17:38

Just to try and be clear.

Let's say you have 30 users of your VPN service. You can either set up a single VPN account with a single username and a single password and configure that account to allow up to 30 people, all using the same single username and password to use this single account at the same time. Or you can set up 30 indivdual accounts, each one with a different username and different password, and give one unique account to each of your 30 users. Either way every user will be 'authenticated' when they log into the account be it a shared single account or 30 indivdual ones. With a single shared account, even though every users is authenticated when they log on, you can not easily identify which of the 30 users is doing something illegal nor easily block just that user and not the 29 others. With 30 seperate accounts you CAN easily identify which users casues the problem from the 30 and CAN easily block just that user. BUt it IS 30 times more work to do this.

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 17:44

[cont]

The problem therefore is NOT that 30 indivdual accounts require more work in authentication, or that if you authenticate them one way its alot of work but another way it is not. The problem is that to set up 30 indivdual accounts, with 30 different usernames and 30 different passwords is more work than setting up one account with one username and one passowrd that all 30 share.



If different ways of authenticating users of a shared account allowed you to identify which of the 30 users it was causing problems and block just that one user, without ambiguity and without a malicous users being able to bypass such a block, as 30 seperate accounts would allow you to do, then changing authentication meathod could be a solution. However to the best of my knowledge none of the various meathods of authentication would allow this in an unambigous way that could not be bypassed by a user with malcicous intent and some knowledge.

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 18:04

message 92

Scoty.

I feel it rather unfair of you to keep bringing zero into this thread,again for the 100th time,zero does not post here,also she never stated SHE works for zero,did SHE!

Please keep davids good name out of your petty squabbles as he is not here to defend himself.

Scoty,dont wish to much,your wishes might come true,then you wont be able to fart around all day as you state Amazing what people get paid for these days my friend

Some of us are very clever and work with our brains,some are not so lucky scoty

In saying that,i ask again please leave Davids good name and reputation out of your sattie teccie squabbles or if you wish to discuss any problems you have,please address them to david @

http://guidebooknorthcyprus.com/forum/index.php/board,1.0.html

or go to his website

http://www.zerochlor.co.uk

you can talk to him live there from his website,im sure he will find some time for your idle chit chat.

Good nite&god bless happy chlorine free swimming

TraceElliot


Joined: 29/07/2010
Posts: 19

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 18:21

Anyway, None of this really matters anyway!



Easy Fix, Obviously mmmmmm and erolz don't have a clue.....



Your (mmmmmm's) Free VPN service runs a DHCP Pool for Authenticated users, no matter how many people authenticate using the smyth_mark name they will get a different IP Address. There is the PIE.... No EAT IT!



Does everyone want to know how hard it is to make user accounts in a VPN running Linux? Im guna show you anyway....

nano /etc/ppp/chap-secrets

Joan (MyDomain) (Password) * or Dynamic IP



Simple!



Heres the command for shaping your FREE VPN Service...

tc qdisc add dev eth0.... You really thought id tell you...



For a VPN service supported by people who actually know what they are doing go to http://www.ticvpn.com



Network Specialist from *Guess Who*

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 18:27

WOW



Amazing when you really do know how and not pretend to know



Can i have 2 please,im dead impressed.



2 i think could still be cheaper than £19.99 a month

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 18:34

TraceElliot



the commands to set up the accounts would be times 30 for 30 users AND then have to mail each account to each user indvidualy. If you can not see how this is more work and incremental work for each new free users vs setting up a single account and mailing the same standard details for that single account to each new user (or just posting the details publically with periodic updates to this single password), then I can not help you. No matter how easy setting up a single account is setting up X of them is X times as much work.



Each users of a multi account will get a spereate intenal IP address assigned by the server on log on, cant work any other way. THey will also share an external public IP address and it is THIS address that those watching for copyright infringments will see and take action against.



As for the TICVPN service you pays your money and takes your choice. I paid my money and took my choice and it wasnt with ticvpn.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 18:42

its yer old mate pikey , he is gonna come back as you , lmao , but if you give this information out on a public forum are you not asking to be hacked ? or are you just fuelling the fires again ? free advertising ? trashing everyones sat systems etc etc etc , except yours of course , 6ms the satalite detective .

TraceElliot


Joined: 29/07/2010
Posts: 19

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 18:43

lol, what a neo-Googlite!



Can you actually read? or do you just Tap and hope for the best?



Keep the VPN free, the user account smyth_mark has an IP assigned to it from a DHCP Pool for each Public IP that connects, (VPN, Virtual Private Network) Please tell you understand now?

TraceElliot


Joined: 29/07/2010
Posts: 19

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 18:45

sorry rowlo, my last post was for erolz, msg 98.

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 18:46

Om - point taken - why is it when i have been in his office up stairs - twice with a friend who uses your product - he has C44 open on his computer and you have never been there ? You 'sit' across from him which is why you probably post like him - you posted that on another thread - not me.

Msg 95 - from Omain.... - Quote ',also she never stated SHE works for zero,did SHE! ' Why would a question to Om.... get a reply that SHE didn't etc. from Om............ OOPS! slipped up !

BTW - looks like you don't get long for lunch either by your previous posts - msg 23 / 27 / 28 / 30 - between 1221 - 1256 - while you were 'having' lunch

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 19:23

thank god for that traceelliot i dont even know what a neogogilite is , sounds like a taranasauras type thing ,

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 19:24

scoty.



im a lady.



we can multi task.



I said i sit opposite him,not work for him,there is a great big huge difference.you said i stated i worked for him,you said it not me



David never has cyp44 open on his screen,i do ,david has proger1s forum open on his screen,but always closed down to the task bar,so i feel its a figment of your imagination scoty,just because i may not have been in the office when you thought you would caqll,does that mean im not there at all



Yes i only get 30 mins for my lunch,i find its enough,not all us english are bone idol and need many hours to take lunch.

Thats the problem with the english,they want paying for nothing and to many breaks in a day.No wonder the country is on its knee,s.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 19:30

Msg 104

Amanda, if women are so good at multi-tasking why can't they have sex and a headache at the same time?! An enigma to me!!



Richard

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 19:31

message 102



if my car door is open does it mean im sat in the car?



im there is a book open on my desk does it mean im reading it scoty?



If the front door is open,does it mean some one is going to come through it?

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 19:33

Scoty............Lot's of people just read CY44 - they don't have to post.

Now, I'm off to watch "Injustice" (Great series on ITV - 5 part series) on http://www.ticvpn.com

Anyway, mmmmmm and erolz seem to have attracted the attention a network administrator who is more than able to run them round in circles for a bit.

Wher'e the answers to my questions ? Where's mmmmmm ?

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 19:51

message 102



scoty



whats the price of PH- these days



Its changed by the way cocker

AnthonySmith


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 19:54

Well done, Scoty, as Ian Dury once said, someone thinks he's a right clever barsteward doesn't he

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 19:59

message 102



I was emphasising the SHE, go back and read,Who is SHE



The cats mother,i have a name.



Boys are so easy to play with.



Scoty.



I feel it rather unfair of you to keep bringing zero into this thread,again for the 100th time,zero does not post here,also she never stated SHE works for zero,did SHE! ,well scoty,did she,again you try to convince yourself of the words you think you read,get your head out of the whisky bottle boy.



Please keep davids good name out of your petty squabbles as he is not here to defend himself.



Scoty,dont wish to much,your wishes might come true,then you wont be able to fart around all day as you state Amazing what people get paid for these days my friend

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 20:07

104 - liar liar bums on fire - as stated been twice - screen open - never seen you!

AnthonySmith


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Posts: 455

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 20:09

Scoty - rotflmfao :-D

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 20:16

scoty



i have no daubt that you have been to the shop 2 times,we have many people who come to the office,after all it is the only place to buy the product in the east.



Of course its also possible that some times i cant always be in the office waiting for you to arrive,i promise ill try to be there next time you arrive,and i will also have cyp44 open on my screen so you can also see my username,then you can run home like a good little boy and report back to your cronies on cyp44.



Im sure that will be the high light of your month,then you can talk about it for weekes on end in kings bar or some of the other places you frequent.



It might give you and your wife some thing to gossip about



But scoty,come on,just because you stated you been to the office twice,do we have to take your words as gospel,i think not my little bums on fire friend

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
14/06/2011 20:18

msg 112



such little things can amuse such little minds



rotflmfao :-D

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 20:23

Good nite trolz.



Off out now.



Have a great evening.



Be good now wont you.



See you tomorrow scoty,i shall be in the office from 8am.



But as 0maintenance is a maintenance company,i shall try not to leave the office and visit any customers homes so that when you call youll be happy seeing me,dont forget your rainmac



Because it might rain u like my sense of humour

AnthonySmith


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 20:25

Dave, it's really struck a nerve, hasn't it Your last word and then 10 other posts. Ha ha.

Roomy


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Posts: 836

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 20:50

msg105 a filthy joke and uncalled for

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 20:55

Msg 117

Back on those happy pills again!



Richard

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 20:55

Enjoy your evening - busy day of maintenance today, and yesterday, and day before going by your posts.

As I said, YOUR business must be booming due to the time you have on here.

Still not explained msg 95! She/she etc. Sorry, if I write, it is not in the 3rd person.

OOOOOPS

Cant wait to pop in this week with my mate so he can top up his zerochlor and see if - again - office empty and C44 open

Roomy


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Posts: 836

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 20:58

msg 118



The would be joke offended me, I think you should be banned.

Roomy


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Posts: 836

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 21:19

Proxy ip's.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 21:20

Where is 6ms ?

mmmmmm, why do you not answer my questions ?

I thought that you needed help to stop your VPN server being abused ?

Are you using Linux ?

What type of authentication are you using ?

Do you want help with user control policies ?

If you answer these questions, I will be able to help you to overcome the problem that you have with your VPN.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 21:23

Msg 121

Just for you!

http://youtu.be/Q3L4spg8vyo



Richard

Roomy


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Posts: 836

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 22:00

You have far too much time on your hands and I resent the implications of your actions.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 22:06

Msg 124

You'd better join Hans's chess & backgammon club, lots of excitement and as I'm now banned from the establishment, you can create your own chaos!



Richard

Roomy


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Posts: 836

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 22:09

You should be banned from all messageboards if you try to hack other posters accounts, give yourself a shake you insignificant little man.













Andy.

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 22:11

If you ask nicely I'll give you my password.

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 22:12

Roomy

I apologise, you need to reasonably erudite to play chess, scrabble, backgammon but you could always ask for a tiddlywink board!



Richard

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 22:14

Lost on me that Dick, I am a lollgagging idiot.Hahahahahahahaha...

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 22:22

Msg 129

Confirmed!



Richard

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 22:25

re msg 92



Scoty .. thanks for the kind words.. I've been out and about - nice sunny day - overseeing another 5 more Sat internet installs.. getting ready to go out to Mallorca and then Cyprus to show folks how to install.



It is disappointing that the user who HAS been naughty hasn't come forward, yet.. but may be they haven't read this thread, yet..

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 22:38

Mark

What dates do you have?



Richard

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 22:44

TraceElliot - re 96



>>Easy Fix, Obviously mmmmmm and erolz don't have a clue..... <<



Either your Dad is using ANOTHER id .. or you have inherited an unfortunate flaw - it is useful to READ properly and ask questions before making ASSumptions.. Typical IT guy.. has their own idea about reality.. they are often far removed from it.. :(



>>Your (mmmmmm's) Free VPN service runs a DHCP Pool for Authenticated users, no matter how many people authenticate using the smyth_mark name they will get a different IP Address. <<



Er NO, TraceElliot... that is NOT what happens...



I've been doing VPNs since '93 - a Shiva reseller before Intel bought 'em out in '98



Folk logging into the free service have access to several servers - but there's only a handful of IP addresses - that's why ONE 'rogue user' can ruin it for all.



When they AUTHENTICATE ( that's get allowed on to the server that allocates connections ) - of COURSE they get an IP address ( Dynamic)

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 22:57

(cont)



I don't WANT to monitor what users are doing.. ( some IDIOT has wrongly accused me of that ! ) I don't WANT to have to issue individual user id's - that costs time and money and is USELESS as ( say) ErolZ and Brinsley might share ids - would I be expected to chase after the user / close 'em down for illegal file sharing - YES.. and that costs time and time costs MONEY...



I'm quite sure members appreciate that while everyone has behaved - I've not HAD to do anything... this has now changed.. :(



I'm still hoping that my plea hasn't been lost in the 'junk' of the zero clues of this world... IF the 'naughty user' can email and reassure me they now understand the consequences of what they've done .. fine



If not, I'll have to restrict the free service back to those I KNOW in person - and that is SAD..



I'm AMAZED that my request has generated such 'traffic' - just not the response we need !

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 23:16

msg92

Im back scoty.beam me up!

ok you said.

BTW - if Omaint.... says "she" is not posting on zero's behalf - believe that if you want.

If employed by zero - as she states - wish I had had a job where I can fart around all on forums etc like this and get paid for it!

my reply.

Scoty.

I feel it rather unfair of you to keep bringing zero into this thread,again for the 100th time,zero does not post here,also she never stated SHE works for zero,did SHE!

Please keep davids good name out of your petty squabbles as he is not here to defend himself.

Scoty,dont wish to much,your wishes might come true,then you wont be able to fart around all day as you state Amazing what people get paid for these days my friend

Some of us are very clever and work with our brains,some are not so lucky scoty

In saying that,i ask again please leave Davids good name and reputation out of your sattie teccie squabbles or if you wish to discuss any problems you have,please address them CONT

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 23:18

re 122 Washerman



>>Where is 6ms ?<<



Having fun - training guys up to sell and install KA band FAST satellite internet - something that folk will want when they see it



>>mmmmmm, why do you not answer my questions ? <<

Now you know and now I HAVE read the questions - I can see you aren't capable of 'helping'



>>If you answer these questions, I will be able to help you to overcome the problem that you have with your VPN.<<



I have 20+ years of setting up VPNs - I knew you'd try to come across as an 'expert'... you forget I do this for a living for corporates - the VPN for expats is a kindness - some spare capacity allocated - hoping some folk could enjoy UK TV..



I do not, nor ever HAVE, sought to make a coin for it... but I'm certainly NOT going to let someone abuse my 'charity'..





I know, YOU thought there was an 'agenda'.... [ emoticon 6Ms slapping his head and saying Duh! ]



To folks who have been enjoying the VPN.. I hope this film "Megamind' was worth it

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 23:19

mmmmmm - only a handful of *PUBLIC* IPs (stating the obvious) - Trace Elliot was quite obviously talking about *PRIVATE* IPs (How do you not know this ?)

You may fool some of the people....................you know how the saying goes !

Why start name calling, nothing constructive to say?

You said:

"I don't WANT to have to issue individual user id's - that costs time and money and is USELESS"

Now, that's where I can help you, just answer these questions and I'll tell you how to do it quickly.

I don't see any other internet services sharing login details and usernames - don't think it would work with a bank or, even CYprus 44 for that matter.

Think about it, everyone would be able to post whatever they wanted without anyone knowing who had 'really' posted it - oh dear, did I just say that ?

I thought that you needed help to stop your VPN server being abused ?

Are you using Linux ?

What type of authentication are you using ?

Do you want help with user control policies ?

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 23:19

i was picking up on your use of SHE.



My name is amanda,not she,she does not post on behalf of david,she posts for herself.



Are you following me now scoty me little bums on fire friend.



And dont forget to be @ the office tomorrow,rainmac also buddy



im comming into work early just to see you and that special rainmac,dont forget it scoty,it might rain

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 23:25

mmmmmm if you haven't got your VPN server set up so, that people can't abuse it, it's your own fault that they have abused it.

Don't go blaming someone else !

I think that your competitors will be sat laughing at you - set the system up properly !

Now, do you want help or, are you just 'bleating' ?

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 23:25

Washerman



you might as well just bang your head against the wall.



Even if your correct,he would not allow people to want to see that you are correct.



did you see the new Animation on the other forum and utube?



the animation says it all im affraid,david is a great judge of character

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 23:30

Amanda - animation ? Have you got a link ?

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 23:32

Yes.



Here is a link to youtube.



http://www.youtube.com/my_videos?feature=mhee

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 23:35

Omaintenance.



Well done you have spotted the stalker, you handle him well !! obnoxious character as you may know. You are good at multitasking beats him at multiply id ing !! LOL

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 23:35

Washerman



re msg 137 / 139



As I've stated.. you CAN'T help.. I don't need your help - you've 'offering it' might fool some folk into ASSumng you're an 'expert' - but it's a bit like a guy making computers for a hobby for home users offering to build me a new Cray.. :(



http://www.cray.com/Home.aspx



I'm going to help a guy sort out his 'special ( sic) LNB problem..

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 23:39

pipie msg 143



womans intuition.



i can smell them a mile off



literally.



me and the girls had a good giggle tonight,peee weee can you imagine



It does not take me long pipie,stink them @ 1000 yards away.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 23:41

So, you are just 'bleating' and blaming everyone else - OK.

If you'd set your system up properly in the first place, this wouldn't have happened to you !

I have never heard anything 'SO' ridiculous as everyone having a common username and password, especially when setting up individual user accounts s 'SO' easy.

So, someone downloads something that they shouldn't and everyone gets the blame - it couldn't be your fault for not setting it up properly, could it ?

What would have happened if they had downloaded something more sinister than a copyrighted film - illegal pornography of some sorts - everyone using your free VPN would have the finger pointing at them - ridiculous !

Some would call it negigent or reckless on your part

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 23:42

Mark

'a new Cray.. :( ' (sic)

If only you could find me a fresh cray fish, you'd be invited for lunch!



Richard

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 23:48

There's a reason why you have received the copyright infringement notice, because it is 'YOU' that is responsible for the 'open' door that you have left and it is 'YOU' that should have made sure that your system was locked down.

If you are looking for someone to blame, look in the mirror !

Shared username and passwords - just beggars belief !

What sort of a system is that ?

Outrageous !

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 23:48

re msg 142



Many 'thanks' for posting a link to our FAMILY stuff on youtube... !!



It's there for friends and family to enjoy...... Thanks for reminding me ( well ALL of US, now) how good the wife is with the Hula hoop ..

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 23:49

What a great cover if your that way inclined.



Oh im sorry your honour,it was not me honest,i let 200 other people in north cyprus use my VPN,honest your honour,i never downloaded any of that !



Great cover i must say,easy to close the barn door once the horse has bolted!



Not that im saying any 1 would wish to download anything like that,but good point your making washerman,so many people could be having the finger pointed @ them.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 23:52

0maintenace msg 142



Well done you found some youtube videos I posted up using my 'hidden' youtube username of erolzz. How clever of you. Well done. What relevance they are I have no idea at all. Lets see I have used the same user ID, with the smallest of variations, on all cyprus related forums for over 9 years now, same user id on youtube. Same email address for well over 12 years now, using the same 'erolz'. Some have a desire or need to obfuscate who they are, who they are connected with, who they may or may not work for and some do not. Which are you ? I know which I am. Nor do I have ANY commercial interests in North Cyprus, unlike some. I just speak my mind and if I think someone has said something wrong, I say so. No agenda, nothing ever hidden, not my name, my address, my phone number what my connections may be to other users or my situation is. Just plain old me and nothing more.

Did you like my youtube videos ?

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 23:53

6ms



you must be logged into youtube for it to take you to your page,as when i clikk it,it takes me to Davids page,i havent looked @ your page as i did not know you have 1,do you mind me looking,can you send me the link please,i love hula hoops,cheese n onion flavour actually

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 23:57

Good point Amanda - has mmmmmm left the door open purposely, to hide some other form of activity ?

I have to ask myself this question because I just can't think of a reason why everyone would not have their own unique username and password ?

That's what every other internet site/service does.

It can only be that or, that he just doesn't know how to authenticate users properly.

He says : "I don't WANT to have to issue individual user id's - that costs time and money and is USELESS "

BUT it's the same system that everyone else on the internet uses !

The onus is on mmmmmm to provide a secure service for eveyone - is it not ?

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/06/2011 23:57

Erolz



I think your going crazy.



get a life matey.



you and markie mark are a double act,he said the same thing,im the cleverest lady in the world.i post 1 link and it takes markie mark and you both to all your youtube videos.



you pair of crack pots.



How on earth could i post 1 link linking both your youtube accounts.



What a pair of crack pots you both are.



lay of the ouzo erolz

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
15/06/2011

message 151



you would be better off talking greek to others who care.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
15/06/2011

re msg 148 Washerman



>>There's a reason why you have received the copyright infringement notice, because it is 'YOU' that is responsible for the 'open' door that you have left and it is 'YOU' that should have made sure that your system was locked down. <<



Now I know you must be 'desperate' and CLUELESS re how to REALLY run a VPN setup ... !



OF COURSE I'm liable... the IP is registered to ME .. VPN's ensure privacy .. You REALLY will have to think before posting, Washerman... you're making me smile... but Wifey's back and there's more interesting conversations to be had !



>> Outrageous<< Well I wouldn't say you're THAT 'amusing'... :(



>>If you are looking for someone to blame, look in the mirror ! <<



You might be right, there.. you see I'm a trusting sort of guy..



>>Shared username and passwords - just beggars belief ! <<



Oh, I can't resist .. Come on Washerman... last week you told us I was 'tracing IPs' - you see it is PRIVATE.. :P

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
15/06/2011

Washerman msg146 said "I have never heard anything 'SO' ridiculous as everyone having a common username and password, especially when setting up individual user accounts s 'SO' easy. "



No washerman but then to the best of my knowledge you have never offered anything for free for the general benefit of others have you ?



I have tried my best to be as un judgmental about you and 0maintenacne for that matter, but really as far as I am concerned, and as far as one can tell these kinds of things just from forum posts the pair of you seem to me to be pretty nasty pieces of work. That may be unfair and not a real reflection of you as indivduals but it IS the impression I have got over the last month or so. As is my usual policy with with such forum only impressions I will make an effort to meet you both in person so that if I have got a totaly scewed impression then I can correct that. Mark has many faults, like we all do, but he is a genuine indivdual.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:03

re msg 153



Washerman



>>Good point Amanda - has mmmmmm left the door open purposely, to hide some other form of activity ? <<



Back to the 'hidden agenda', eh Washerman ?

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:04

Erolz.



That is the best post you have made all night.



And on that note.



good nite.



Dont drink to much ouzo.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:07

It's not surprising that he hasn't done his job properly - he spends too much time on here sticking his nose into things that don't concern him !

Setting up individual user accounts for 'any' type of user is just standard practice on 'any' other online website or, service, but as far as mmmmmm is concerned it costs time and money and is "USELESS"

I know what is "USELESS" - mmmmmm VPN server security.

He must win the big pointy hat with the letter "D" on it for this one !

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:08

Washerman msg153 said "That's what every other internet site/service does."



Once more washerman, as far as I am concerned you show either ignorance or intentful misleading in the claim above. It is NOT what every other internet site / service does. Just a few examples that totaly contradict your assertion above, which you use to make 'implications' about MM as well.



Goto any costa coffee house in the UK. You can connect to their wifi internet there without any need to enter a username and password. Guess what its a FREE service. They could require that anyone using their wifi even for free first register with them and get a unique username and password yet they do not. Does that then imply they dont do so to 'mask' some nefarious activity of theirs. Of course it does not. The suggestion is absolute balderdash. Or should I list the many free open proxy server services on the internet. Note the 'open' part and the 'free' part.

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:08

erolz.



Do you have an answer yet after accusing me of sending you all your past youtube films?



Also the same question to you 6ms?



or is that brushed under the table now that you both made fools of yourselves.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:13

0maintenance in msg142 you posted this link



http://www.youtube.com/my_videos?feature=mhee



I did not look closley at the link, I just clicked on it. It took me to all the youtube videos I have posted on youtube. I did wrongly jump to the conclusion that it was a generic URL that would do the same for anyone clicking on it. My bad, hands up I admit it. It only takes ME to that list of videos because my machine knows who I am. When mark clicks it it tkaes him to his videos. When you click it it takes you to yours and so on. That is where this 'accusation' came from. If you think my mistake was anything other than that , then that is your choice.

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:15

erolz



Put brain into gear before opening gobb

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:17

Erolz........free internet access in a coffee shop - is that the best you can do ?

Don't try and defend the indefensible. Everyone reading this (except you it seems) knows exactly what I mean.

Carry on like this and we'll need two pointy hats with a letter "D" on them

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:19

0maintenace you made EXACTLY the same mistake I and mark did. Wsherman asked for a link to the video you posted, yet you actually gave him a link that would NOT show the videos you posted on youtube (unless his machine has your youtube account details saved in it? does it ? might ecplain alot if it does) but would in fact show his. Yet I aknowledge my mistake, where you seem to not only not aknowledge yours, you 'berate' me for making the same mistake you first made. It's exactly this kind of behaviour that creats an impression in me about what kind of person you are in real life. It might not be an accurate one but its all I have to go on.

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:20

washerman



Tomorrow he will be shouting that some one else has been downloading another movie.



I wonder what it will be next.



1 flew over the cockoos nest !

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:21

Erolz.......by the way, you can prove that having a unique username and ID is not important by posting your CY44 login details here

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:22

Erolz. did you see washerman reply.no he did not reply.as we both new what i was doing just to see the reaction from you 2 ronnies.



And yes you guessed it.i was correct

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:24

Washerman your claim was verbatamin "That's what every other internet site/service does."



The costa coffee interent service IS a service that totaly contradicts your example. The REASON why they do NOT do what you claim every internet site / service does is EXACTLY because it is a FREE service. They could require indivdual registration for every free users and they do not and the reason is the cost overhead makes its prohibitive on a FREE service. Exactly the situation with Marks free VPN service.



The clearest sign to me that someone has got a weak case is when they start talking with 'authority' about whate everyone else understands, which surprise surprise would be what they are saying. To claim that you knwo what everyone else understands is a purile argument only used by those with nothing better to offer. People are not stupid. THey can make up their own minds. You telling them what they think will not change that.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:28

Amanda, it might be "Forrest Gump" - have you seen it ? You know the one, the stupid looking oik who made a lot of money by being stupid and then, did a runner

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:29

Erolz.......and what about posting your CY44 login details here - why worry (according to you) they are not important !

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:30

171



That sounds like some of the builders over here.



or did you mean forrest gimp!

efendioliver



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 545

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:33

mmmmmm's message takes the lead in the race but who is the biggest cock message is running a close second

ooops now biggest cock message is in the lead with two furlongs to go and it is only 00.34hours



my god is that the time !!!

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:35

Washerman if you can show me where I say indivdual login details are not important then I will happily post my cyprus44 log in details. However we both know I have not said that. What I have pointed out, in response to your own misleading claim that NO internet service operates in a manner that does not require indivdual log in details except Marks, is plainly rubbish. THe key point is many FREE services , other than Marks operate in exactly the SAME way marks does and for exactly the SAME reasons.

Your insinuation that the reason marks service des not require indivdual log ins per indivdual users is because he is masking seom dubious activity of his own is OUTREAGOUS and based on a claim 'no one else does this' that is totaly and patently NOT TRUE. You may just as wel claim costa coffee require no indivdual user log on or registration to use their FREE service because they want op mask dubious activity of their own. Then again you have no grudge against costa coffee do you.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:36

Msg 174

You really did bake those 'magic cookies' today!



Richard

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:39

Erolz...........why does Cyprus 44 have individual usernames and passwords ?

You have given an example that doesn't compare. I am not talking about 'NO' username and password required, I am talking about 'SHARED' username and password - everyone can see the difference except you - what size hat do you take ?

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:45

Well girls n trolz,ive had enough for thhis evening.



Off to download a few movies on utorrent



Got to get up early in the morning to meet a few rainmacs at the office,i hope its not raining to hard,then they can wear there cap sleeve t shirts and sandles with white socks



Beam me up scoty.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:47

Me too, it's like pulling teeth with some folk.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:49

Washerman msg177, once more you have to revert to stating what 'everyone' can see. How you know this of course is not relevant.



The need for cyprus44 to have indivdual username and passwords is so the forum can operate in a manner where who (or at least what username / password combo) has posted what can be shown. An ISP service or a VPN service does NOT require such identification to work. Costas free internet access does not require it to work. Marks free VPN does not require it to work.



Now given that you seem intent on harranguing me, and posting demands for answeres to your suprious questions I am going to respond in kind. How about you explain to me how anyone who claims to have expertiese you do can say something as dumb as "what type of user authentication he is using (not protocol)". Such a statement shows a FUNDAMENTAL failure of understanding at a conceptual level as to what a protocal is and what authentication is. Please do tell more about how one is not the other.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:57

[cont]



The reality is that EVERY different type of authentication IS by DEFINITION a protocal. That you could demand I tell you what authtication he uses, not what protocal shows such a fundamental misunderstanding of wht these terms mean that its hard to imagine a more stupid statement from someone who actual KNOWS what they are talking about. Anyway here is a clue for you. Remeber this Microsoft link I gave you earlier.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc785072(WS.10).aspx

Have a look at each and EVERY authintication meathod listed and please note the use of 'protocal' in each and EVERY single one.



If you can show me an authentication meathod ANYWHERE that is NOT a protocal then I promise to not post on cyprus 44 for a whole month. Or maybe get your 'network guru' who posted before to explain this to you.



Normaly I do not post in this manner but you have by your own behaviour driven me to such. Nice work.

efendioliver



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 545

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 00:59

pulling teeth is not as interesting as the who is the biggest cock post now back at the top

TraceElliot


Joined: 29/07/2010
Posts: 19

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 01:06

Hang On,



Erolz, listen up.. Tap Tap, Eyes closed!



mmmmmm.. ok..



Why are you using a Linksys WRV54G VPN Router for your 'commercial' clients. That is an "out-of-the-box" Plug and Play VPN Router. If an ant had fingers, They could plug one in and copy a couple of things from an email from someone who actually knows what there doing. Pretty much like what you must have done.



Setting up bandwidth shaping on a router is 'cray'z ly' easy.



Here are your SSH-hostkey: 1024 81:da:d4:9a:08:9c:16:33:27:22:54:3e:6e:17:e9:bd (DSA)

2048 65:95:ad:e1:d9:23:b7:33:d8:89:ad:a2:4a:a7:8e:27 (RSA)



oops... as long as you know what to do with it...



Can we verify that you know port 8181 is open with use for web server/querys (some network access is available) lighttpd ... t.t.t.t more freeware...



This is one cheap set up.... I mean, for commercial use...



What a nightmare for the end user? Do you really know where all your details are being stored? On a router at some guys house. Ple

TraceElliot


Joined: 29/07/2010
Posts: 19

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 01:08

Please... Think again!

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 01:15

TraceElliot I notice you dont seem to have have any comment on how clever or dumb it sounds to say "what type of user authentication he is using (not protocol)". What a suprise lol



Anyway as to your 'post' you start with "Why are you using a Linksys WRV54G VPN Router for your 'commercial' clients."



Well I have NO clients, commercial or otherwise. I have no Linksys WRV54G VPN router. So given that, I am not sure what you are talking about. You seem to have confused me with someone I think.



Now will YOU explain to me how a given authentication system is NOT a protocal ? Somehow I doubt it.



As an aside in my 20 years plus in the IT industry there were always too sorts of techie, those who could and would explain technical details so that less technical people could understand them and those who used jargon as a means of confusing less technical people in order to actualy hide both what they do and what they do NOT know.

TraceElliot


Joined: 29/07/2010
Posts: 19

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 01:30

its obviously a protocol! CHAP? PAP? 1 free vpn service from mmmmmm goes to the one who works out what the last 'P' stands for.



You really don't read properly do you... Eyes Closed, Tap Tap Tap, hope for the best.



OpenWrt White Russian, Linux 2.4.30 ring a bell?



Think over, delete everything, start with etch.... whats the biggy?

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 01:34

re 160 Washerman



>>It's not surprising that he hasn't done his job properly - he spends too much time on here sticking his nose into things that don't concern him ! <<



1/ I see you're still posting and not READING ..

2/ Oh, I'm sure you'd rather I didn't comment on your interesting claims..for 'officialdom', guaranteeing grey market piracy subscription continuity, and charging 3.5 times RRP..



>>Setting up individual user accounts for 'any' type of user is just standard practice on 'any' other online website or, service<<



I note ErolZ has given you examples of the STUPIDITY of this - your latest 'expert contention' :(



>>I know what is "USELESS" - mmmmmm VPN server security. <<



So 'useless' security / privacy that the 'authorities' ( and I ) haven't a clue as to the person being 'naughty' - NOT what you claimed last week, Washerman... You told us all that I was monitoring the Free VPN IPs... :D



I see ErolZ has got now got your 'number' ...[ sad head shake ]

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 01:35

Msg 186

For a 'supposed' new member you really are behaving like a spoilt, odious, obnoxious prat!



Richard

TraceElliot


Joined: 29/07/2010
Posts: 19

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 01:47

Brinsley, single at 56.... "spoilt, odious, obnoxious prat" comes to mind.



This account is used by many.... some people who don't want there own account on Cyprus44 use it to get the point across.



After that post, it clearly shows you are not supposed to be posting on this thread. You lacking confidence that much that you decided to use verbal on someone who is stating obvious flaws in mmmmmm VPN service.



Hiding behind a name and shouting verbal at 56, are you really proud of yourself?

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 01:53

ANYWAYS.. nearly a day has passed and the person who shared this pirated movie is strangely silent..





... what with all the 'interest' from folk who've ( apparently) never used the free VPN - may be I *should* be more selective as to who I give the password to... I'm REALLY starting to think this was a deliberate act :(



Thanks to the folks who've emailed me off board - I'll consider your suggestions !