Am i reading this correctly

newlad



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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 13:24

http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/tcpr/2011/11-06-21.tcpr.html#06



They sneaked in while the Gcs where asleep,



Paul.

Rufusa


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 13:33

Charter flights to TRNC aren't new are they? Do you mean the flight from Poland?

newlad



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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 13:59

They are if they dont touch down in Turkey first,arent they,



Paul.

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 14:03

I am sure will be as the other Correndon flights which are as Hans says "direct"

newlad



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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 14:29

Anyone know,or are the contravening the Chicago convention,



Paul.

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 14:39

It legally feasible to fly under 2000ft, change flight number in-flight, and rise again to 30,000ft and continue on to final destination. The low point of 2000ft is considered as having landed! Work that one out!



Richard

newlad



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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 14:53

Cheers Richard,



Paul.

YFred


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 14:55

Why have they not been doing this all these years. In any case isn't Turkey capable of doing that even at higher altitudes in it's own airspace. Pretend it is an emergency close down the airport for 30 seconds, redirect the flight and open open it again?



Why should it have to come down to 2000 ft to be able to change flight numbers. I said all along that Turkey did not wish to do it in case like the Kurds the TCs get too powerful and ask for independence. What a bunch of bankers.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 14:55

@ msg 4, Pugwash: (...) I am sure will be as the other Correndon flights which are as Hans says "direct" (...)



▶ I don't want to be pedantic, but shouldn't we call ALL flights, including flights with a touch-down somewhere, "direct" if you don't have to change planes? Hence a flight from A to B should be called a non-stop flight in my opinion.



Now for Corendon: the Turkish/Dutch owner of Holland based carrier Corendon tried to get permission for non-stop flights (Amsterdam -> Ercan), but his efforts failed. Corendon now flies direct to Ercan, with a 30 minutes touch-down in Antalya.

martinD41


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 14:57

Paul ,I don't know the reason for it ,but I on two separate occasions ,flew from Manchester "Over" Turkey ,straight to Ercan....

Pipie


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 15:31

My friend has flown direct from Stanstead to Ercan non stop on several occasions !!

Lilli



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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 16:11

Pipie I know many also who have flwn directly here from Stanstead. I guess no one to get off in turkey or pick up x

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 16:35

Thanks DC I did mean Non stop, I was under the impression that some of the early flights by Correndon were non-stop?

newlad



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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 16:47

As i understand it,Richard Branson asked if his private jet could fly direct to Ercan.But he was refused and flew via Larnaca.That was a couple of weeks ago,when he attended a wedding at Belapais,



Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 16:52

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cyprus-mail.com%2Faviation%2Fnorth-flights%2F20110622&ei=ZvMBTrflLMmg8QPVztC9DQ&usg=AFQjCNFbW_OmGhdu_ltDc03gX9ALC-vi-A



No mention of touching down in Turkey,



Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 17:05

You there Hans,



Paul.

TimothyCadman


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 17:32

So the Polish people are coming to the TRNC. How long before they don't return? Does this mean that all the rental places will be gone when the Poles see the beauty of the TRNC as they did with the UK?

ianwfs


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 18:04

For clarification.

Any flight where passengers don't change aircraft is "Direct", even if it lands a dozen times. Only flights that don't land at an intermediate stop can be called "non-stop".

The Chicago Convention prevents direct flights to Ercan. However there is nothing to prevent a flight plan being re-filed once in Turkish air space. I suspect that Turkey for political reasons is not too keen to encourage this.

Private flights aren't covered by the convention, so Richard Branson could have come direct. I suspect that either his flight was technically a Virgin Airways flight, or there he was afraid of repercussions against the Various Virgin companies.

wanderer


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 18:39

ianwfs

Just after his visit cyprus air announced a code share for their flights to New York with virgin

http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/virgin-announces-cyprus-airways-code-share no wonder Ercan was not on his itinerary and that the rest of cyprus did not herald his visit to the occupied areas's

Suited them to keep quiet

Scoty


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 18:40

msg 11 - and landed back at stansted!!!!

Rufusa


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 18:54

I think even the Poles will draw the line at trying to compete for tradesman work with the settlers!

Pipie


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 18:55

appears to be the late night flight that can be direct !!

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 19:09

It is my personal belief that CTA, et-al, were not really that interested in non-stop flights as it suited their business model to land via Turkey. There were/are plenty of 'legal' ways to circumnavigate the 'rules' to allow non-stop flights.



Richard

GinaC


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 19:15

Message 21



Déjà vu

kaiserphil


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 19:19

There used to be 2 CTA flights close together in the late evening. If they could juggle all the Ercan only passengers onto one flight, then they would fly direct.

They tried to do that when I flew once, but it wasn't possible, so we had to drop passengers off in Turkey.

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 19:36

Msg 25

That was when CTA tried to buy Efes brewery and have a party at mates rates!



Richard

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 19:48

@ msg 13, Pugwash: (...) Non stop, I was under the impression that some of the early flights by Correndon were non-stop? (...)

▶ No. From the start of the regular weekly flights (and even before, when a Corendon plane with journalists and people from the tour operating business paid TRNC a first visit) there were no non-stop flights allowed. To complete the situation: at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport the Corendon flights are announced as flights to Antalya, although everybody knows the final destination! Hypocrites!

doddies


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 20:03

msg 18 ianwfs

doesn`t your first sentence contradict your third sentence?

I also have flown from Stansted, direct/nonstop without landing in Turkey on the old CTA night flight a number of times.

newlad



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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 20:30

The fact about Branson is,he wanted to land at Ercan,but was refused permission to do so,



Paul.

Tootie


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 20:50

Paul, "Fact"? . who said he wanted to land at Ercan?



Phil.

newlad



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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 21:03

Phil,



He did, as it made more sense logistically,



Paul.

Turtle


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 21:27

Not sure if direct flights would be viable from the UK.

I would guess perhaps 2 or 3 a week would be difficult to fill thats why they have to fly to Turkey.



You have seen the amount of passengers that change on of off in Turkey and most get on to fill it up and fly to Ercan

Tootie


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 21:40

Paul,

Sorry..



What I meant to say is: "Who said he did" & "fact" ?

I understand Logistically



Phil

newlad



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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 22:04

Phil,



It was in an article i read recently,when i was out there.Unfortunateley i dont have a link to back it up,



Paul.

ianwfs


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Message Posted:
23/06/2011 02:12

Msg 18.

Yes here was a typo there. I meant to say that the Convention prevented non-stop flights.

Msg 23/32

I agree. I believe that even if permitted, most of the Turkish carriers will only make a token gesture. There is too much revenue tied up in traffic between Turkey and North Cyprus. In addition, the facilities at Larnaca and range of carriers available, would make Ercan a less attractive proposition. A shame, because the island could be marketed as having airports serving the western, northern and eastern parts of Cyprus.

Although, Nicosia could never be opened as an airport handling heavyr aircraft, I think there is still mileage in some sort of regional airport, along the lines of London City. LCY was considered less than viable in the early days, with restrictions on the aircraft that could use it. Now it has a huge route network, and even a transatlantic service.

newlad



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Message Posted:
23/06/2011 20:26

http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q= http://www.worldbulletin.net/%3FaType%3Dhaber%26ArticleID%3D75470&ct=ga&cad=CAEQAhgAIAAoATAAOABA77aN8ARIAVAAWABiBWVuLUdC&cd=TI4DQiWNN1M&usg=AFQjCNGkucN9DRP37_xLZzUPeOoLegPCpw

erolz


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Message Posted:
23/06/2011 20:28

Newlad is this the link you wanted ?



http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=75470

spider


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Message Posted:
23/06/2011 21:49

Looks like a good chance for the property market...No wonder they are still building.





Or should that be the banks are lending the builders money STILL ! !





Spider,X

newlad



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Message Posted:
23/06/2011 21:56

Cheers Erolz,



Thats the one,



Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
25/06/2011 18:32

http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/tcpr/2011/11-06-24.tcpr.html#05



More tourists sneeking in,



Paul.