just so angry, poor Bertie

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 20:19

Bertie, the true story.

by firestarter » Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:50 pm



Before i start i would like to say sorry to my mate Nige who againsts his better judgement allowed me to post here about Berties leg problem. At the time he did question my judgement and because it was for the sake of a sick animal, he agreed to allow me to do it.



Nige i am sorry, and i was wrong.



I would also like to say to anyone who donated to Berties broken leg i am sorry for involving you.



I first learnt about Berties broken leg on cyprus44 forum. I knew liz and quido in passing and felt sorry for them that they had rescued a dog but had not had the money to pay its medical bills for an urgent operation. He had been in an accident with a car, they had been to a lot of different vets but didn't have the money to pay them to fix Bertie. I felt this was inhumane and decided to try and help. so i help by both posting here and on 44 to raise funds for his much need op.



People kindly donated to the cause

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 20:24

This I have copied and pasted from another forum, as believe member 'blade' to put it on this forum too.....





Just do not know who to trust to give money to any more in NC.... there are such needy people who would not take money when they are desperate....



I am so very sad .....

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 20:31

dizzycows



Perhaps you could explain to those of us who don't understand ?

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 20:35

Sorry, TRCNvictim, its not all there will post again, I am so angry and upset at being conned, don't like it ..



will try and copy again ....

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 20:36

dizzycows. yes please explain.

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 20:36

Sorry but I am a bit confused by this thread. Do both messages consist of what dizzycows has copied from another forum or are the comments in message 2 her own ?



As has become so prevalent on this forum, it would appear that allegations are being made against individual(s) without any evidence whatsoever to substantiate the allegations.

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 20:37

by firestarter » Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:50 pm



Before i start i would like to say sorry to my mate Nige who againsts his better judgement allowed me to post here about Berties leg problem. At the time he did question my judgement and because it was for the sake of a sick animal, he agreed to allow me to do it.



Nige i am sorry, and i was wrong.



I would also like to say to anyone who donated to Berties broken leg i am sorry for involving you.



I first learnt about Berties broken leg on cyprus44 forum. I knew liz and quido in passing and felt sorry for them that they had rescued a dog but had not had the money to pay its medical bills for an urgent operation. He had been in an accident with a car, they had been to a lot of different vets but didn't have the money to pay them to fix Bertie. I felt this was inhumane and decided to try and help. so i help by both posting here and on 44 to raise funds for his much need op.



People kindly donated to the cause, directly to liz and guido

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 20:39

People kindly donated to the cause, directly to liz and guidos paypal account.my vet mustafa also offered to donate as did we , he also offered to do the op at cost because he is an animal lover and a decent person.



They brought Bertie over and my husband met up with them and took them down to the vets.

when mustafa had xrayed Bertie he was quite pleased. Berties leg had knitted together in the correct place. probably because he had been left without treatment for so long. He gave them pain killers and asked that bertie was taken back for a follow up the following week. they failed to do this.



they came back to my house afterwards for coffee, and the subject of the raised funds came up. i was told that they were unable to give anyone a refund because it was paid via paypal. at the time i didn't know any different. now i have been told that it would have been quite simple. My reply was that as long as they used the money for the rescue dogs in their care, to medically treat them,

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 20:40

Is the post by firestarter on another forum, I am confused, have you copied it from another forum. Where is the one started by blade.

yenibob


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 20:41

It is far easier to read the whole sorry story on Nigel's board.

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 20:41

yes its on another forum, Im not very good at copy and paste and I am so upset as blade to asked for donations on this forum...

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 20:43

i was ok with that. what else could i have said?



While i was recently on business in the UK, hubby called and said he was taking in their three dogs for kenneling, for 5 days. i said at the time, you know what people are saying about them, be it on your head. but being a good person he agreed to take their dogs. well 5 days turned into 15 days.which puts us out at the best of times. guido came to collect the dogs and turned up with about a third of their bill in money. he promised he would pay on friday, so hubby agreed. Well friday came and friday went no money.



On the monday morning i emailed liz and put it politely to her that after all my help with bertie the least they could do was to pay up their bill. i knew they were skint and we had already given them about 100 sterling discount to help them out. i was pee'd to say the least. within about 30 seconds guido was on the phone to my hubby saying' don't threaten me' hubby just replied that i am not threatening you, just pay up

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 20:45

by about the wednesday he did finally come and pay the bill.



i have customers who have had their houses trashed, friends who are owed money by these people and i am just wondering how i got roped in on their scam?

because i always give everyone one chance.i don't listen to gossip, everyone gets one chance. i have no clue as to what they did with the money from berties fund, or how much it was. i had no part in it other than trying to help someone and their dog who were in need. i am pee'd that i through my kindness i have been taken as a mug. my lesson learnt is i won't be helping anyone with anything here in the TRNC ever again.



so i am posting this today as i want the record to be straight, i had no part and recieve no money from their bertie scam. we are a decent honest hard working people. I owe nobody anything. most people who know us personally ,know that. i owe nobody a free lunch and i just feel the need to speak up because people have been good to them and they have abu

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 20:48

I owe nobody anything. most people who know us personally ,know that. i owe nobody a free lunch and i just feel the need to speak up because people have been good to them and they have abused peoples trust. mine included.



i am happy to help anyone with the paypal situation to try and recover their funds, just email me at sharpeisara@hotmail .com and i will do all i can to help.

My vet is mustafa erk in gonyeli and i am sure if anyone wants confirmation that bertie didn't have any op then i will ask him to confirm this.



firestarter



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dizzycows


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 20:50

sSo sorry to not be able to put up a link ... but I can only paste and copy,,....

Ceylan


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 21:23

can someone please post the link for Nigel's board please?

araneae


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 21:25

link here http://tinyurl.com/64sjld6

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 21:27

So sorry for not being able to do a link....



But it needs to be high lighted as just don't trust any one, its so very horribly sad ...

Roomy


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 21:30

Is it the lass who was on the other day saying she will probably be banned????????I don't know

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 21:36

Hi roomy, think so, think we all need cheering up...



Im all for giving but don't like being duped ...

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 21:38

Serious accusations if they are true.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 21:56

@ msg 21, Pugwash: (...) Serious accusations if they are true. (...)

▶ Indeed. Remarkable in my opinion that it took the author of the post rather long (the operation was scheduled for mid March and that's when the fund raising happened) to enlighten us - two days after Liz and Guido Spina left for England. Reason respectively: Liz for an operation and Guido to work till he can start as a chef at the new bowling in Lapta (end of August/begin September).



I also find it difficult to understand the post # 92 in this thread:

Please do read: ▶ [ http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/57870.asp ].



Can it all be a misunderstanding? Well, whatever: as a journalist I was taught to listen to both sides in an accusation/conflict. It's a pity and not chique that it didn't happen in this thread.

natalie


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 22:07

maybe we should wait for Liz's account of the story so an unbiased view can be taken. Know neither parties personally I would add.

Roomy


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 22:09

Msg 22



I read that post DC and subsequent postings in the same thread and it seems to me that while being a bit vague Bertie had an op and is in recovery, but the way it is written this could be denied and turned on it's head.

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 22:12

DC not sure what the heck you are on about, but a lot of people gave money for a dog to have an operation to stop its suffering !



It was posted on 44 by 'blade' to help also as did firestarter on another forum!



The point is I do not like being duped and point is Guilo went to GB with Liz so don't quite know what you are on about re bowling green!!!...



If an operation funded by members did not take place isn't that lying, well it is in my book .....

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 22:21

@ msg 25, dizzycows: (...) point is Guilo went to GB with Liz so don't quite know what you are on about re bowling green!!!... (...)



> Calm down, Dizzy. I can't help it that you don't live here and obviously don't read the local news paper Cyprus Today in the UK.



Maybe you could read my msg 22 in this thread again. I find it all, what you take for facts, for the moment at least contradicting.



I repeat: as a journalist I was taught to listen to BOTH sides in an accusation/conflict. It's a pity and not chique that it didn't happen in this thread.

araneae


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 22:21

a dog was injured



an appeal for funds for an operation was launched



money was donated



no operation happened



no refunds or explanation given



the facts are there for all to see

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 22:27

@ msg 27, araneae: (...) the facts are there for all to see (...)

▶ Oh? Did you REALLY read this"

"I also find it difficult to understand the post # 92 in this thread:

Please do read: ▶ [ http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/57870.asp ]."



I'm absolutely against the usual C44 attitude of lynch mob justice. Until one or both Spina's give their explanation we all should refrain from strong talk.

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 22:28

DC I will give willingly to causes but DONT like lies ....





Don't ever lie to me or try to make out that its all ok to defraud... I will not tolerate ...

shrimp


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 22:38

you know what, I think you should all wait and hear what Liz and Guido have to say..........the five days turned into fifteen because it was a family funeral they were going to and they had to wait for a post mortem before the funeral could be arranged. five days turned into fifteen, Guido paid one third of the money because that is all they had thought it would be, five days.......not fifteen......Things have been very hard for these two and without their income of the restaurant, and now an operation in UK which is money for flights, money is very tight for them, but I am sure that they did not intend to pull the wool over anybody's eyes and I think you should all be mindfull of the fact that now Liz's health is not good and she is not there to defend herself and Guido ...I would respectfully ask the mods to close this thread until Liz is well enough to fight her own corner and not give her anymore problems...

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 22:42

@ msg 29, dizzycows: You dare say a lot, Dizzy, without any proof than a story from ONE side. I don't take sides and won't use strong words right now - I will wait with a judgement until I've heard BOTH sides. Good night.

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 22:48

Shrimp.... my health too is not good, but I will not tolerate giving for a cause that didn't take place... plus we all have difficult things in life to sort.. funerals of close ones etc. businesses to keep afloat..

Fact is funds were raised for a given thing, mods do not close this thread, I want answers and don't want it pushed under the carpet ...



Liz and Guildo are in the country so please don't say they are not... If funds are being raised on a forum the members are entitled to know where those funds went ..

shrimp


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 22:52

Liz and Guido are in UK awaiting an operation for Liz.

erolz


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 22:55

I know nothing about any of this but from what I have read I do have to wonder if the payment for the extended kenneling had been paid in full on collection of their dogs, would this post or the one on Nigels board have been made ?

sienna


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 22:58

Lilli lasted posted on this forum today at 10.33 - oh dear - if this IS true then why were those that donated not informed of the situation and the money agreed to be donated elsewhere - keeping the donated money whne not required is not good

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 23:05

Sienna exactly, I rest my case..

Roomy


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 23:16

How much was donated in aid of an operation?Was there an operation? Were there any medical costs at all, and if so how much?

I also understand that someone agreed to the lady using the donations to help other animals, is this true? Were the donors consulted about this or offered a refund?

Lots of ifs ands and buts and he said she said.

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 23:30

No, nothing we were told the operation was a success, nothing about the funds being used else where or a refund.. In fact don't think any one would have asked for a refund, its not being told , being 'used' that has upset me..



I have asked the lady who started the fund raising for a written statement from the vet that was meant to do the operation...

Roomy


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 23:34

She has to be given the right to reply Dizzy 'cos it is a serious accusation.

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 23:38

yes, agreed roomy..

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 23:41

@ msg 38, dizzycows: (...) I have asked the lady who started the fund raising for a written statement from the vet that was meant to do the operation... (...)

▶ WHY can't you wait a day (or two) until Liz Spina has had a chance to react?! You are damaging the reputation of someone who may have an unexpected explanation. (Could the dog "Bertie" have been operated on by a different vet?). People in the UK could better hope that you will never become a member of a Jury.

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
29/06/2011 23:57

DC, please stop your protesting, if you look back at a post from Lilli she says all went well with the vets and thanking the vet? I too have correspondence ...



So please go away until firestarter has explained re her vet... ...

Ballyboffin


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Message Posted:
30/06/2011 00:03

OMG Dutch...



I cannot believe that I am agreeing with you......

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
30/06/2011 00:04

@ msg 42, dizzycows: Exalted stupidity, unfairness and a poisonous tongue don't make you right: INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
30/06/2011 00:08

And DC, while I am here do not try and put it over onto any one else.



How dare you try and belittle people that have given money for a cause ...



I am not the one that posted the original post, I think every one has a right to know what happens to any money if not used as said..



It stops people giving to causes that may be of more need...

Roomy


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Message Posted:
30/06/2011 00:10

Msg 44

You have nerve, you are the epitpmy of crass.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
30/06/2011 00:11

@ msg 45, dizzycows: INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

Roomy


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Message Posted:
30/06/2011 00:13

epitomy, before the spelling police get here.Hahahahahahaha...

Roomy


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Message Posted:
30/06/2011 00:14

or should that be epitome?Hahahahaha...

Turtle


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Message Posted:
30/06/2011 00:16

Well I reckon a NC lawyer may have to be employed to sort this one out !

guidosp1


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Message Posted:
30/06/2011 01:40

hello everyone, sorry i haven't reply to this silly accusations early but i just got a message from a member telling whats going on.

First to firestarter aka blade regarding my dogs payment. I came back from uk on thursday the 16 of june and when i came to collect the dogs i was shocked to learn that the so call a friendly charges was in reality a wooping £ 300 bill. I didn't expect such high bill so i explained to terry (your husband) that i will need to transfer the money from my barclays account and it will take couple days. I gave him 350tl and i promised the balance as soon as my funds where transfered. the money arrived on the tuesday and i paid the balance on the wednesday morning. If i was intent to derfroud you do you think that i would give you the money i had with me and pay you as soon as my money where transfered?. If i knew that you had problems with us i would never dreamt to book the dogs with you. we tried to repay you for the help and support you showed us continue

guidosp1


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Message Posted:
30/06/2011 02:03

with the bertie situation. Terry rang lilli many times insisting to take bertie to your vet and you as blade started a thread on this forum asking for help.

the members of this forum kindly donated 555 tl ( £231.00) which went for the treatment of bertie's injuries.

190tl to your vet for the xray and the medications, 145tl to the vet clinic for the initial treatment, 160tl for two months of tablets and 60tl for the removal of the staples. If anybody wish to see a copy of the payments recieved into my paypal accout can e-mail me @ guidoandliz@yahoo.co.uk .

I cannot believe that you have to go to nigel's and wrongly spread horrible rumours about us when if you had issues with us you could just e-mail us and we would clarify any misunderstanding.

And another point i would like to clarify to puppylover and co. that the concert we attended at the Rocks Hotel we where invited to as guests by good customers of ours and they paid in full long before bertie had the accident as per her post.

guidosp1


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Message Posted:
30/06/2011 02:17

Firestarter/blade you cared for bertie recently and you have seen the progress he made in the last few months thanks to our care and the doctors help, so how can you turn around and spread such nasty remarks?

it's Nigel that influent? He can came on this board with a new name (araneae) and his loyal board members follow. when this childish battle will end?

We are in the uk at the moment because lilli need medical attentions.



we are immensly grateful for the help we recieved and so is bertie.

guido

MsGarnet


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Message Posted:
30/06/2011 02:40

roomy - as a pedantic grammarian, I can confirm the correct spelling is 'epitome'.....



As to the rest of the thread - all I can say is - crikey!

lovinit


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Message Posted:
30/06/2011 04:22

Me thinks the Lady doth protest too much....................

negativenick


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Message Posted:
30/06/2011 06:37

my ten penny worth...



you know what rats do when the ship is sinking ? - they bite each other...



We all know buying in the kfc was a huge mistake - but back biting your fellow brit is pathetic....



Liz and Guido are good people - any donations they receive go into "the pot" to pay towards the general care and well being of animals they look after - so what if the donation in question was not all used on "Bertie" - i'm sure tere will be another worthy cause just round the corner.........



There is no way Liz and Guido would cheat anyone - they are hard working and selfless people, who like most of us got "shafted" in the kfc - but rather than being bitter and twisted, turn their hand to helping others.......



"Good on 'em" - i say....

sloan



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Message Posted:
30/06/2011 06:39

I am shocked and appalled that such a personal attack on two individuals should take place on a public board. It encapsulates all I have disliked about Cyprus44 over the last few months and the reason that I stopped posting at Christmas. I know so many people who no longer use the board for this very reason. There seemed to be some improvement during the months that more people were using proger's board, but it seems that it is now back to its former standard. Liz and Guido have made no secret of the fact they have been struggling financially recently. Although not the only Gary Robb victims, buying in Amaranta has seriously affected them. However, they have worked tirelessly to help charities such as SOS, NAFI and the Children in Need Foundation. If you knew them personally, you would have known that they were guests at the Rocks event, to thank them for all the work they had done in supporting the charity.

sloan



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Message Posted:
30/06/2011 06:40

They did not expect to be in the UK so long last time, but had to wait for a post mortem before the funeral took place. I was surprised when Liz told me she had to put her three dogs in kennels, as she has friends who would have helped out if they had been aware of the situation. Two of her dogs are being looked after by friends, and Mojo is here with me at the moment, as Liz has had to return to the UK for tests and surgery. A personal attack like this is all she needs at the moment!!



Msg 25: Guido is indeed waiting for the completion of the club house at the new bowling green just past Jk’’s. However, like many in the TRNC, the project is running behind schedule. Guido has had the chance of some work in the UK to tide them over until the new venture starts. It was supposed to open in May, then August …. but who knows?

sloan



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Message Posted:
30/06/2011 06:41

I hope Guido’s explanation of the use of the funds has satisfied people. He would have told you that they changed vet if you had only asked. Would it not have been better to haverequested an explanation of how the funds had been used directly, before beginning the character assassination which has just taken place on this board? Sometimes, I despair about the lack of ‘milk of human kindness’ I witness on Cyprus44.

negativenick


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Message Posted:
30/06/2011 07:22

mess 57-59 - "well said"...............

araneae


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Message Posted:
30/06/2011 08:01

So the dog did not have an operation and it is all nigel's fault oh ok !



life is so short and we are here but once live and learn .

the butler


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Message Posted:
30/06/2011 08:04

I have never met Lilly or Guido but have heard a lot about the good work they have done for stray animals.

As one of the founder members of Cyprus44, I am appalled at the character assasination that has just taken place on this thread. All I can think of is the sun must get to a lot of you, it only takes one careless word and you are like rats following the pied piper. I hope you all have the decency to apologise to Liz & Guido if they ever return to the TRNC. If I were them I wouldn't bother, but then I know they will because they have left animals here they wouldn't abandon.





The butlers wife

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
30/06/2011 08:17

The butlers wife.



Unfortunately this thread confirms my thoughts about the majority of Brits/Brit Expats.

All they want to do is stab each other in the back. And they do it without bothering to find out the full facts first.

It saddens me immensely.

sloan



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Message Posted:
30/06/2011 08:25

Whether the dog had an operation or not, Bertie certainly had treatment. Guido has provided an explanation of how the funds were used, which to my reckoning is



income: 555 TL, expenditure: 555 TL.



If you do not accept that that is the case, contact Guido and provide some hard evidence to the contrary instead of unsubstantiated facts. Remember, innocent until proven guilty.

Harold2555



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Message Posted:
30/06/2011 08:26

Like the Butlers wife I have never met Lilli or Guido. I too was very unhappy about this board being uused for such personal allegations. I didn't close it last night to allow the "accused" the right to reply.



I have not closed it now to allow the Original poster to respond to Guido's posts. Further personal posts are not in my view necessary.



Harold

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
30/06/2011 08:28

@ msg 65, Harold2555: a very well-balanced decision. Well done.

blade


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Message Posted:
30/06/2011 08:53

Maybe it would be good for Guido to show everyone the reciepts for Berties care.



You had discount at the kennels, nobody made you put your dogs at our kennels. Your 5 days ran into 15 this has nothing to do with Nige. You clearly said to us about how much money you had spend during your time in the UK, 1,700 quid i think was the figure. So clearly when you came back you did know you had a kennel bill to pay.

This is actually not about the kennel bill, its about you expecting us to lie for you.

Bertie didn't have an op, when someone asks me about it, why should i be expected to lie for you?

No chance!



Can you also explain to everyone that whilst we we raising funds for Bertie you were living it up eating and drinking at the Rock's hotel.

A little honesty wouldn't go a miss here.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
30/06/2011 09:16

This thread beggars belief.

What a sad lot of people.

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
30/06/2011 09:28

Whats sad AJ is that when you try to help someone they take advantage of your kindness.

Bertie didn't have an op and Liz and Guiodo have been sparse with the truth. Thats putting it politely.



Someone recently ask me about Bertie. I wasn't going to lie for anyone, why should i? I didn't know who did or didn't pay in for Berties op. I had no other choice than to be honest.



Maybe if Liz an Guido had been honest with people in the first place, none of this would have come about.

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
30/06/2011 09:33

Firestarter/Blades Message 67......Its been recorded here a couple of times that the tickets were bought and paid for by someone else.



Yes AJ it does beggar belief and how sad it has come to this.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
30/06/2011 09:37

@ msg 68, AJ: (...) This thread beggars belief. What a sad lot of people. (...)

▶ I definitely want to exclude myself from your observation. I have constantly asked for some patience until we all could have read BOTH sides of the story.

shrimp


Joined: 01/09/2010
Posts: 939

Message Posted:
30/06/2011 09:37

wishing Lilli a very speedy recovery and sending you both my love and supportxxxx

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
30/06/2011 09:44

mess 67 - Blade............



As you are charging a "commercial" rate for boarding animals - maybe you could post a copy of your limited company certificate, tax receipt for the money Guido paid you and also the work permits for everyone involved in your "business"..........

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
30/06/2011 09:46

I left it open for a response, it came, and their is no further need for anything more on this forum. I suggest that any further exchanges take place via email



Harold

Harold2555



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Message Posted:
30/06/2011 09:47

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