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Πέμπτη, 7 Ιουλίου 2011 5:33 μμ



Meeting in NY



Leaders of the two communities in Cyprus, President of the Republic Demetris Christofias and Turkish Cypriot leader Dervis Eroglu, agreed on Thursday to enter into an intensive period of negotiations on the core issues.



According to a statement by UNSG Ban Ki Moon read out in the presence of President Christofias and Dervis Eroglu after their meeting in Geneva, Ban expressed the expectation t

itsadogslife


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Message Posted:
07/07/2011 20:28

Ki Moon read out in the presence of President Christofias and Dervis Eroglu after their meeting in Geneva, Ban expressed the expectation that ''by October the leaders will be able to report that they have reached convergence on all core issues and we will meet that month in New York''.

blade


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Message Posted:
08/07/2011 11:33

Does anyone know more about what was said there?

My elderly neighbour was on a massive rant about Dervis yesterday and how he wanted Talat back? I didn't get the rest apart from the swear words. So was wondering what happend?

YFred


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Message Posted:
08/07/2011 11:46

Today you will see all the GCs rise to feaver pitch in disgust at deadlines. How dare UN block them from having discussions at infinitum.

brother



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Message Posted:
08/07/2011 12:03

Hmm "...convergence on all core issues..."



Let's take this apart:



1. Core issues

2. Convergence



To be able to consider (2) you need to know (1):

After all the discussions they have had, does the public know if there is a coherent list of "core" issues?



I do hope it is more than just the GCs demanding everything back.

wanderer


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Message Posted:
08/07/2011 12:06

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/un/ban-pushes-progress-autumn/20110708

wanderer


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Message Posted:
08/07/2011 12:08

PRESIDENT Christofias may have gone to Geneva in a defiant mood, insisting that he would not accept artificial time-frames, UN arbitration and an international conference, but he returned to Cyprus defeated and humiliated. His three ‘nos’, which newspapers reported he would have told the UN Secretary-General, were not uttered in Geneva or if they were, Ban Ki-moon ignored them.

He had persuaded Ban not to set any deadline for the conclusion of the talks during their previous meetings, but this time he did not succeed. Ban’s statement after yesterday’s meeting was quite impressive in its forcefulness. While adhering to diplomatic language, Ban illustrated a new-found determination to get results, not at some unspecified time in the future, but by October when the “leaders will be able to report that they have reached

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/un/our-view-unsg-s-october-target-heralds-cyprob-endgame/20110708

mikelapta



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Message Posted:
08/07/2011 12:12

"UN wishes to see negotiations come to an end ONE WAY OR ANOTHER"



I pray that means "a separate state for the TURKISH Republic of Northern Cyprus" Inshallah

andre514


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Message Posted:
08/07/2011 13:10

message 5:



according to statements from gc politicians,

they are not demanding anything back, because legalistically,

they never lost ownership of it in the first place



...it's just that it's "occupied"



by repeating that mantra, they are selling themselves short,

since as even the woman on the nicosia omnibus should know,

possession of territory is more relevant than the right friends



what they want is restitution ...while our lot value their security



one member of cyprus 44 has often hinted that this time around

the gc's could be trusted to keep their word:

there are many compelling arguments to support his view



nonetheless, just as beady-eyed accountants from a powerful

northern neighbour are on site to make darn' sure athens does

not again get up to its old spendthrift tricks



...in the same way hard-faced squaddies from another powerful

northern neighbour are on site to make absolutely certain that

nicosia does not again get up to its old enosis ga

andre514


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Message Posted:
08/07/2011 13:12

games...



though I am pretty sure I will now have explained to me that

forty years ago the many tc's said they wanted the same thing

blade


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Message Posted:
08/07/2011 13:17

My personal thought are that both sides have economic problems. A solution could help.

My Cypriot friend had a great idea the other day: lock both leaders in a hotel room together and refuse to let them out until they have come to some sort of agreement , one way or the other.

brother



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Message Posted:
08/07/2011 14:17

Msg9.

Ok, so let's add some detail to my little list:

1. Core issues

a) TC&GC: mutual distrust

b) GC: restitution

2. Convergence

Even if we consider the period from 1974 to the current date, what tangible activities have both sides engaged in to address (1a).

As for (1b) has it been widely understood as to what the TC's will have to do and what the GC's will need to do.

It isn't going to be as simple as allowing Varosha to be reinhabited by the GCs because that doesn't address the key long-term threat by (1a).

andre514


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Message Posted:
08/07/2011 14:31

yes blade I'm sure you are right:

a single cyprus with self-administered zones would be a huge boost for the island

but there are three pressing problems to sort out first:



firstly, I cannot see any that any such compromise deal has appeared on the table,

but perhaps I should have gone to specsavers



secondly, both sides and their backers have mutually contradictory viewpoints,

in other words one side's minimum is far too much for the other side to accept



thirdly, by all means let's lock politicians in a room, but could they ever deliver?

the history of creating workable middle east and especially cypriot agreements

is a very discouraging one



but I remain an optimist...about north cyprus

andre514


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Message Posted:
08/07/2011 14:55

brother message 12,



true, there have been straws in the wind that handing over guzelyurt region, varosha

and denominating karpasia a federal zone might be acceptable to some greek cypriots

although no such whispers offically, where majority rule is the system of choice



...and then there is the question of new cypriots of turkish origin:

perhaps the 2004 proposals could have limited any future influx from the mainland

but that now looks far less likely given new moves to offer them easy citizenship



the ubp appears decided that although guzelyurt may well have been on offer once,

that window of opportunity has closed



the one hope for an agreement, if a forced one, is through turkey's fifty-two years

of effort to join europe being sensationaly consummated



this may seem more negative than nick himself but would you prefer empty waffle?