Why does it show I am logged into Cyprus 44 when I am not

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 09:28

Is this another ruse to make people think that there are loads online, I log in and out but my name is never on the end list, it is usually near the top, this really is Hotel California isn't it, also I am questioning why you can never leave.



Anyone with info please.

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 09:49

The message could be here!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIDPw-n_U_Q&feature=related



But just listen to this Bass singers voice..amazing.

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 09:51

The mods on here are ban happy if you dare to upset them and many people have had a permanent ban but still you are classed as a member, is this legal, what about data protection?

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 09:54

There are 104 logged on at the moment but how many are actually here, probably just the usual suspects, this is wrong and is falsifying numbers.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 10:08

Hi ivebinad , " ban happy " i wouldn't go that far , but you did know when you joined , you couldn't cancel your membership , and you accepted the conditions { rule 12 } when you joined . Sorry but a fact

Simbas

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 10:10

I want to complain..........

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 10:11

Simbas I most certainly didn't realise that I could never leave, what I am questioning is the legality of this!

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 10:12

Also Simbas why did tc members never get a ban even though they have at times threatened posters and are very abusive.

DoctorW


Joined: 28/11/2010
Posts: 334

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 10:55

I think you will find that if you sign out before you close down your computer or leave Cyprus44 then this will not happen.



For some reason if you dont sign out, Cyprus44 thinks you are still there.



This is not unique to Cyprus44 and happens on many other sites. One reason why you should always sign off sites like online banking rather than just closing down the web page.



I am sure someone on the site can give you all the technical reasons.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 11:32

Ivebinad - do you want to leave the forum and stop posting?

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 11:44

Msg 7 , Hi ivebinad , it does clearly state .





Rule 12. There is NO Account Cancellation

Once you join, you cannot cancel your membership.

Once you post, you cannot delete your post.

Do not join our forum, if you do not agree with this rule.



Maybe you should have questioned the legalities before you joined



Simbas

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 11:49

Hi ivebinad , msg 8 ,not true , some have had cautions , some have had temporary bans , and some have had lifetime bans .

Simbas

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 11:51

No1 No I dont, but I am sure you are just waiting for the opportunity to ban me again.



A question, why can we not edit our posts, you mods can do it but we can't, strange that.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 12:14

Msg6 , c'mon then lets hear it , what have you got to complain about ?

Simbas

DoctorW


Joined: 28/11/2010
Posts: 334

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 12:16

The Golden Rule,



Always read the small print!

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 12:17

I am questioning something, not complaining, I am however complaining that the DC's new forum is allowed to tout for business when others where not.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 12:22

Hi ivebinad , you are questioning the wrong people , you need to be talking to Izzet .

Simbas

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 12:35

ivebinad msg 16 have you read rule 15 ? You know of the rules you AGREE to as a condition of joining this forum ?

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 12:51

erolz, who reads rules fgs.

DoctorW


Joined: 28/11/2010
Posts: 334

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 12:58

Message 19:



Not many of us I suppose, I have to admit I didn't.





However I did sign to say that I had read them, so I have only myself to blame.





Should I be unhappy with the rules, tough on me, its my own fault.





I wont whinge about it.





The option is still there to turn my back on Cyprus44 and never again log on.





However I believe the forum has lots to offer, despite the constat whinging and backbiting, so I am here to stay.





The decision is yours.

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 13:08

Fair comment but why cant we leave, it gives false information as to the real number of members and that is dishonest to any new wishing to join.

DoctorW


Joined: 28/11/2010
Posts: 334

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 13:22

Again refer to message 20,



like me you have joined a site that does not allow you to leave.



It doesnt give false information as you remain a member, whether you use the site or not. (Its in the rules)



These are the site rules. The fact that you, I and others didnt read them doesnt invalidate them.



I would have spent a lot more time examining the small print on something like a hire

purchase agreement to ensure I was happy about it, but I admit to not taking a lot of notice of the

Cyprus44 agreement.



Should I walk away from Cyprus44 at any time, I dont think I would be overly concerned if my email address is still in the system.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 13:22

Hi ivebinad , if you feel that strongly , you must contact Izzet ask him to explain it to you , better than harbouring it

Take care , Simbas

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 15:15

Slimblos,



I love it when you get angry,



Paul.

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 16:28

can i complain please..............

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 16:31

No jock1 this is the room for 'argument', if you want to complain that next door down



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 16:35

Now your getting a sense of humour Erol.



Now this brings back memories



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncMlYBdDRjE

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 16:50

Whilst I don't wish to leave I have to say that I would feel happier if there was a way of ending ones membership of this forum. It seems draconian and sinister to not have that option. I don't know of any other website that doesn't allow you to opt out. Even Facebook allows you to cancel your membership.

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 18:01

Hector exactly, we should have the choice.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 18:15

I think a little honesty would be a good thing on here.



Ok so you cant leave, you cant edit you cant do this or that,... all silly rules but why not have at the top of the page a Members total but also have an Active members total and everyone who has not posted for say 30 days drops off that total that should tell everyone (even prospective advertisers) that there is only a limited number of posters.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 18:18

Msg30, would that not scare off the advertisers

there is a method to the system

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 18:21

But if its only to encourage advertisers why not make the Members total 50k



its all crap anyway up

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 18:44

It's dishonest for sure.

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 18:45

13979 members, the truth is there are probably about 100 that use the forum but that wouldn't be good for business

fatboy



Joined: 05/11/2008
Posts: 244

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 18:51

Just move on.Stop posting,members will forget you.But you can never leave(Hotel California).

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 18:55

There is notning unsual in the way this forum counts users. It is common on all forums in reality. Take http://www.cyprus-forum.com as just one comparative example. http://www.cyprus-forum.com/ scroll to bottom of main page and you get "Total members 13709". No one would imagine that means they have 13,709 current active members, at least no one with any experience of forums and how they work.

Nor is the idea of being able to 'cancel' a membership as simple as some here seem to think it is. If you did allow people to 'leave' the forum, having signed up, what then do you do with all their historic posts ? Do you delete them, possibly making threads a mess and meaningless? Do you leave their historic posts and label them as having been made by a 'leaver' ? How then do you show what post was made by 'leaver one' and what by 'leaver two'. Managing such things takes time and effort. The site has a cleary stated open and up front policy on 'leaving' after signing up. What more do you want?

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:01

People who are permanently banned should be removed, why would someone who is forced out still be signed in, it is wrong and dishonest.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:03

Does the rules state there is no edit facility here and where in the rules does it say a thread will be closed because it serves no purpose.

I was following 2 threads recently that were shut because they were serving no purpose but they were serving a purpose to me ?



selective rules me thinks

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:14

That's 44 for you lol

DoctorW


Joined: 28/11/2010
Posts: 334

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:15

Think of the advantages of being unable to be removed from the board.





Picture a time in the far distant future, I have been dead for some time. In between learning the harp and wing control I can log onto my celestial computer and titter at the latest events on Cyprus44



6m's and washerman are still going at it hammer and tongs.



AJ has been reinstated as moderator by public demand (this is in the far distant future remember).



Negative Nick is still doing his joke of the week and DC despite heading the most popular forum in North Cyprus, still visits us with his words of wisdom.



Oh, and the TRNC is reunited with the ROC, and they all live happily ever after.





Time for bed folks!!!





PS: All characters in this story are not ficticious and may resemble someone living or dead.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:16

MSG 36, can you delete your account

on the forum you mention

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:19

Same old, same old. This topic has been discussed so many times on here and we all know the rules so what's new?

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:19

at least no one with any experience of forums and how they work.



i must say it was never my forte to know and understand the ins and outs of how a forum works.



I must go back to university and get on a forum course,wonder if GAU does one



What you reckon message 36?

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:20

ivebinad msg37, what do you mean by 'removed' ? All their historic posts should be deleted you think ? Those who are banned on this forum can still log in, and thus will shown to be logged in. They can chose to view the forum without logging in, in which case their view is limited and has a large 'banner' at the top, or to log in an view it without the banner and with other 'features' you get when logged in, they just can not post as banned members. Loggin in and posting are sperate. What is dishonest about that? Why is cyprus-forum not also dishonest ? Or literaly thousands of other forums I could quote? On the forum I ran talkcyprus.org it shows "Total users 1835" yet in reality there is only one active user today. It's true I chose to offer full historic stats as well here http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/statistics.php but there is nothing dishonest in the total users 1835 as far as I am concerned. You might misunderstand what it means but that is your failing not the sites.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:23

If a poster is banned then he/she is not a user so the stats suck

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:25

philbailey msg41 says "MSG 36, can you delete your account on the forum you mention"

Have a look at this thread I suggest



http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus25458.htm



and particulary the message from the admin there.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:27

Turtle all stats suck if you do not understand what they do and do not show and how to use them properly.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:30

So what you are saying erol they are worthless and we should take no notice of them ?

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:31

Sorry link in msg 46 should have read http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus25458.html

araneae


Joined: 24/06/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:33

erolz MSG 36 ON GETTING A REQUEST TO LEAVE admin could delete user account =option 1



admin could delete user account + offending msges option 2



admin could delete user account delete user account + all posts option 3





ON GETTING A REQUEST TO LEAVE doing nothing in my opinion is a breach of article 8 human rights act. imho

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:33

So you can leave just not change your name

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:36

Turtle what I am saying is how useful such stats are or are not is directly related to a person ability to understand what it is they actual show and what they do not show. The total members stat on this site and countless others provides some information but it is limited information. If you expect it to show how many current active members there are at any given point in time, then you will find it useless, even if you had defined what an 'active member meant' (is someone who regulary reads posts but doesnt themselves post active) or what 'current' means (last 24 hours, week, month , year?), because it simply does not show what you think it shows or think it should show. With all due respect that is not a failing of the site so much as a failing of your own understanding of the stat provided.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:39

If anyone want's to leave permanently can they please say on this thread.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:43

philbailey msg 51 syays "So you can leave just not change your name"



That is not what the admin there says. You can 'leave' any forum by just not posting on it. However you have no right to demand that all trace of you as a user there must be deleted if you so request. As the admin there says "However I would not remove all your posts (unless they are only a few) and I would not cancel the whole account."



Araneae msg50 all of the three options that you list have impacts on the forum that could be severe and require manual admin work. They can mess up the database in various ways. If you really think not having an option to have your account and or posts removed from a forum that explicilty states, accounts will not be removed as part of the terms for signing up for such an account, is a breach of your human rights then make your case to the ECHR. I personaly think you have no chance with such a case.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:44

So what you are saying is it means absolutly nothing,..if so why show it.



Its like saying 300m people are registered as living in the UK but failing to tell you 250m are dead ?

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:45

This is a very interesting thread.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:47

Turtle, no its more akin to saying 1 million people have used a cinema and you thinking , that is rubbish the cinema only holds 5000 people, most shpowings there are only 500 in there and thus the stat is misleading, dishonest and means absolutely nothing.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:48

I don't want to leave Bill..........honest

DoctorW


Joined: 28/11/2010
Posts: 334

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 20:38

Gets a little bit silly when people start quoting the Human Rights Act, about whether you should be able to resign from Cyprus44 or not.



Get real!



If you really care about human rights there are a lot more important things to consider than cyprus44. How about the many who are denied the rights of their own homes by a corrupt system of government, how about the human rights of those suffering under repressive regimes throughout the world?



How about the millions who are staving?



All of those people are suffering through no fault of their own.



Those who can't leave Cyprus44 have bought this on themselves by not reading the terms and conditions of signing on to Cyprus44 in the first place. Hardly a breach of the Human Rights Act!

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 20:39

what is the point of anyone leaving No1, they cant be removed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 20:43

Nobody should be starving in TRNC in this day and age.

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 20:44

DoctorW get a grip on yourself, he was only making a point and a good one at that.

DoctorW


Joined: 28/11/2010
Posts: 334

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 20:51

I dont see how it is a good point. To quote the HRA about leaving Cyprus44 is laughable.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 20:54

ivebinad are you serious in msg62 ? maybe I am missing some subtle humor or irony in your post 62 ? If not and you are serious that claming to not be allowed at your own request to be removed from the members list and or have all your historic posts removed on a foumr like this is a breach of article 8 of the ECHR acts, then I have to ask have you actualy READ arcticle 8 ? Or is it like 'rules' something that no one actualy reads, just offers comments on ? Anyway if you do actual care what article 8 says you could look here

http://www.yourrights.org.uk/yourrights/privacy/article-8-the-right-to-respect-for-private-and-family-life-home-and-corresp.html



"Article 8 offers general protection for a person’s private and family life, home and correspondence from arbitrary interference by the State."



How does that relate to having all record of your membership and participation here removed at your own request ? If you write a letter to the times and it is published do you [cont]

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 20:55

Rule 93 Roomy is always right.

DoctorW


Joined: 28/11/2010
Posts: 334

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 20:56

Now if it had been said that some of the members here who are continually held up to ridicule by other members on a public forum should make a claim under the Human Rights Act, that may be closer to the point!!

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 20:57

really think that if a couple of years latter you demand that the times remove all record of that letter and you ever have sent it from that point onwards, a refusla to do so would be a breach of article8 of the ECHR acts ? When you CHOSE to post here you do so publicaly. You can not then decide on a whim that such a publicaly made post is now private and if the site does not remove it they are infringing your right to privacy. To think that is to just fundamentaly misundertand what article 8 means, what it is for and what right it seeks to enshrine, in my opinion.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 21:16

Msg 65 Steady on there Roomy , i wouldn't go that far

Simbas

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 21:18

Well it should be Simbas cos you know it's true.Hahahahah...

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 21:19

erolz you need to chill out man, your blood pressure must be sky high.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 22:02

yeah forgive me I have a tendency when people post patent nonsense to respond. I am funny like that. Nonsense like this sites refusal to remove accounts and or entire posters history on request is unique or unusal. It is not, its similar to many if not most other forums. Or that the way they count members is unique or aytpical and dishonest and deicetful. It is not, it is similar to many other forums if not most. Or that refusig to remove entire accounts on request is a breach of a posters humans rights. It is not.

Here is another example for you in addition to the ones already given.

http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?p=890682 (Members: 75,074)

or

http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=75227&sid=93dc1b847c6ca502880651587c665978 (60684 registered users)



There is nothing unsual, aytpical or illegal about how this forum 'counts membes' or deals with requests for 'account removal'.

eyebob


Joined: 22/06/2010
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 22:03

Just as an aside, I cannot believe, Ivebinad, that you regularly pick me up on my grammar, and yet to read your posts on here is akin to reading Edward Lear at his worst; you philistine!

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 21:58

Its all to do with selling

wake up and smell the coffee









or tea