to the forum administrators please read

scootex



Joined: 03/03/2009
Posts: 908

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 18:22

Forum administrators this is the email I have sent Olive man I think you should stop him in his tracks

Oliveman.

I don't know who you are but take note and be warned if you continue your libelous statements on the cyprus44 forum I will instigate proceedings against you either in the TRNC or if you are posting from the UK I will start proceedings there. I will employ an investigator to find your real name and address.

You do not know me, you have never seen the car I have for sale, let alone checked the engine to make such statments and accusations that it has a problem with the cylinder head and that I sell problem cars .

I will post this email on the forum and ask the admin to ban you forthwith now they are aware of your libelous statements.

I Think you are a serious mischief maker as I do not believe you have a 2008 ford fusion for sale for that price as it costs £4000 for customs duty and another 1000 TL for registration and road tax plus 35 TL for No plates

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 18:41

Scootex



You might be interested to look here message 6 0f 8:



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/64035.asp



Very interesting.

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 18:44

and here:



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/47892.asp



message 4 of 6

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 18:45

or even



message 4 of 8 here



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/46914.asp



Now I am confused!

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 18:48

Nice detective work JohnW

DoctorW


Joined: 28/11/2010
Posts: 334

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 18:53

Lovely bit of work JohnW!



Perhaps moderators should now remove all these multiple identities, although I am sure you have just scratched the surface.

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 18:58

The idiot can't even spell "Erwin"!

scootex



Joined: 03/03/2009
Posts: 908

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 19:04

Thanks JohnW.

Just shows that there are some real malicious people out there nice detective work perhaps you should be working for the parlimetary committee on the Murdochs

still waiting for a comment from the administrators

Phil

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 19:06

Don't want to put the spanner in the works, but all this threatening to sue etc, you are on a hiding for nothing..



The lawyers will take you on and take your money, it has to be proven that a silly post on a forum has been detrimental to your business...



Most cases are just a lot of huffing and puffing and for those with very deep pockets to pursue such a claim...



Go to court and it will drag on for years ... Especially in NC, in GB it is just as bad.......

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 19:08

Sorry Phil , been out all day , only just got back . i will read all the threads now .

Simbas

magicart


Joined: 05/10/2008
Posts: 985

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 19:18

Yet another example of the administators allowing libelious statements to be published on a popoular forum.



For god sake wake up and start to take appropriate action against these offenders.



Taking no action is just condoning whats being written!!



Art.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 19:20

dizzycows defamation laws work differently everywhere but to take the UK as an example and using wikipedia as source, which of course is not definative.



"English law allows actions for libel to be brought in the High Court for any published statements alleged to defame a named or identifiable individual or individuals in a manner that causes them loss in their trade or profession, or causes a reasonable person to think worse of them."



So you do not have to prove that alledged defamation has been detrimental to your business. It is still defamation if it "causes a reasonable person to think worse of " you. Of course damages should you win will relate to how much damage is deemed to have ben done, but people who take out lible actions a rarely concerned with money and more often with justice.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 19:28

Can you give me a link Phil ? , or the name of the thread will do

Many thanks , Simbas

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 19:31

Magicart many people misunderstand what defamation is and is not. Again it varies from country to country but in most, statements of opinion are not defamation and statements of fact are. So saying



"I believe or I suspect posterA masqueraded as posterB in order to do a hatchet job on personC or companyC" is not defamation, as it is an opinion. Where as saying



"PosterA masqueraded as posterB to in order to do a hatchet job on personC" is defamation if it is not true and if the claim if beleived would cause a reasonable person to think worse of personA as a result.

Tootie


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 19:36

simbas, click on scootex member profile. its all on his recent posts.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 19:47

Thanks Tootie

Simbas

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 21:11

How even if you find an address

from an ip address

do you prove who posted it?



there could be several people living there

what if it came from an internet cafe or work place

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 21:32

philbailey the person who controls an account is primarily responsible for the use of that account. You are right in some cases it can be next to impossible to establish beyond resonable doubt who is the person who controls an account but in others cases it it not hard to do so. A defense could be made on the basis that the person who controls the account claims that they did not make the specific alledged defamatory post, but the creedance of such a claim would depend on how they behaved since the post was made. Did they report their account as compromised ? Did they post saying 'it was posted from my account but in fact it was not me that made the post'? Did they contact the forum owners and say 'I did not make post x'. Or did they simply do nothing at the time and continue to post from the account themselves afterwards and only make the claim that 'it wasnt me guv' as a response to action ?

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 21:38

Sounds hard to prove

So if I state now

"not all posts on this account may be be made by myself"



am I covered ?

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 21:42

I doubt it philbailey. You still have a responsibility as the person who registered and controls the account. If you allow it to be used so other can defame people from it, then you are liable as well by allowing it use for such things. If it is hacked and it use by other was without your knowledge and without your consent, then that may well be a defense but you will need to show evidence of that being the case, like you reporting to the forum admins that someone has been using your account without your knowledge and permission. To claim it after the fact and without being able to show you did anything about the account you control being used by others without your permission would I think be a very weak defense.

scootex



Joined: 03/03/2009
Posts: 908

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 22:18

Simbas just got in but I gather you have allready been given the info but to reiterate it was from a posting I put on the cars for sale page ford fusion for sale .I gather this member oliveman has a number of names for posting on C44

Thanks for looking into this matter.

Dizzy cows you may be well intentioned but I for one have no fear of the court process having been in bussines since I was 17 and have now reached 62 nearly I will not allow people like this oliveman make unfounded alegations, and incidentally the starting of the court process is reasonably easy inthe UK if we all stuck our heads in the sand then it encourages these people to keep spouting their garbage.

Thanks to everyone else for their positive input

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 23:08

Hi scootex, was more thinking of the hassle you get regarding a court case etc, it wasn't meant as a put down, hope all goes well with your choice ...

scootex



Joined: 03/03/2009
Posts: 908

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 23:25

Hi Dizzycows did not take as a put down just pointing out that I've dealt with idiots like this oliveman all my working life

thanks for your good wishes

Phil

scootex



Joined: 03/03/2009
Posts: 908

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 23:30

Thanks forum admin (Simbas) for removing that post from oliveman I think this post can be closed now

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 23:44

One huge problem is that those who like to be abusive and are deserving of facing a court usually do not have a pot to piss in (or are a man of straw as the law sees it). The most likely outcome of shaking hands with a lawyer anywhere in the world is that you end up skint as well as having been abused.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 23:50

deputydawg personaly I think some of those that have defamed people on forums like this, who are temporary residents in north cyprus, need to consider the risk of being found guilty of such a thing by a court here and how such a judgment might impact on their residency renewal. It is not just about potential monetary loss I would suggest.

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 00:21

Erolz, I agree that these tortfeasors should consider the consequences of their actions but court/police action to deport them is hardly likely to do anything to get massive process costs paid unless they are wealthy.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 00:30

deputydawg I hear what you are saying, however having watched an interesting TV series on libel cases recently one thing that came through again and again was that for most of the people bringing such cases, money just was not the motivation. In case after case it was clear that even if they were to win they would still be out of pocket and yet they still persued such cases. Many did in the end settle , when offered a retraction and in most cases some partial covering of their costs, but the reason why they started the cases and persued them until either court or settlement was not about securing money, even to cover the cost of the case, but about fighting for what is 'right'.

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 00:50

Re : Msg 19&20,

"Sounds hard to prove

So if I state now

"not all posts on this account may be be made by myself"

am I covered ? "



Erolz is quite right in saying that you are not, as indeed the cases of successful prosecution first in the USA and now in the UK prove very vocally!

The precedent has been created!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 01:32

EROLZ sorry cap on, its not hard from the uk, i have one case in hand as we speak , all be it it from a different board, as clarissa2 says the precedence has been created. You would be amazed what i have found out , killingback ??????????????????????????????????????????????????

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 03:23

ErolZ



it is pointless rationalising with MagicArt.. he won't know the truth until it bites him ( again) ...and then he will say I engneered it.... ;)

Fawkes


Joined: 18/07/2011
Posts: 86

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 08:41

▶ killingback I it's after MIDNIGHT again

magicart


Joined: 05/10/2008
Posts: 985

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 08:46

Erolz,



Would you say that statements like" Putting out a thread where he is recommended by many one post wonder fictional supporters" constitutes defamation?

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 10:43

re 33 - MagicArt



>>Would you say that statements like" Putting out a thread where he is recommended by many one post wonder fictional supporters" constitutes defamation?<<



As the question to ErolZ is about me, 'allow me' to remind you that :



1/ I wasn't alone in spotting what was blooming obvious..



2/ The member concerned has actually started a thread suggesting ErolZ was in biz with another known member and took monies, commercially and failed to 'deliver' ...



You appear to be 'selectively' blind...

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 11:06

Magicart msg33 in my view your example is not as clear cut as my earlier hypothticial one for a number of reasons. It would come down to , as so many such cases do, to definitions and particularly the word 'fictional' and then 'supporters' (rather than customers). Without the word 'fictional' there is no potential defamation there at all that I can see. So you would end up arguing what a 'fictional supporter' actualy was. Would asking somone who has never posted on the forum before to come and support you on it with a post be a 'fictional supporter'? I do not know. Of course the whole thing is defined by if it is true or not.



MM - someone else having said or suggested something as well as you is not a defense for defamation. If you state something as fact, rather than quote someone else as having said it, and its not true and it gives a negative image of the subject its defamation.

Nor does 'suggesting' something constitute defamation in most countries - that would be opinion.

magicart


Joined: 05/10/2008
Posts: 985

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 11:49

Erolz,



I entirely agree with you-I think the key word here is "fictional" which would imply there being no truth in some of the supportive postings.I would therefore suggest this to be libilous.



Another interesting one!



"He won't know the truth until it bites him."....libilous or not?



This could be taken as a statement of fact which of course only a idiot would imply.



Thanks



Art

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 12:04

Yes art it comes dwon to fictional. If for example it could be shown that any of the posters who supported in the given thread were not customers then I think fictional would be ture but its all arguable and the more so the more money to laywers. Some defamations are clear cut and others are not.



'He won't know the truth until it bites him' is to me clearly not a libelous statement, nor is it a statement that if beleived would make the believer think less of the subject in my view.

Fawkes


Joined: 18/07/2011
Posts: 86

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 12:57

Since this forum is hosted in the uk by UK2 - Ltd It is fair to point out



▶ cyber stalking: collecting info on people to ▶ hurt, discredit ect ect: comes under ▶ UK malicious communications act 1998 and is a criminal offence.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 13:36

Harrasment / cyber stalking are different from defamation and often a criminal matter not civil. A reasonable overview of 'harrsement' laws here



http://www.neiladdison.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/comm.htm

magicart


Joined: 05/10/2008
Posts: 985

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 14:12

Fawkes/Erolz,



Very interesting and informative debate.!!



Hopefully some members will take note and be a lot more responsible before "shooting from the hip" with vindictive comments which could well end up being libilous. .I also think the administrators have a legal responsiblity to ensure that postings which are designed to hurt or discredit other members should be removed without notice and the originator banned for life.



Thanks



Art

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 14:29

I will wait for the test case



any links?

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 17:08

MagicArt



were tyou addressing the mirror in msg40 ?



Referring to me as an 'idiot' -when you are clueless in the work of Sat tv makes you, what exactly ? .....(emoticon for eyes rolling here )

Fawkes


Joined: 18/07/2011
Posts: 86

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 17:11

I will huff and puff and use my 90k inheritance ( on advocates)

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 17:14

This whole thread is a load of hot air



do you think it is worth it?



if someone is rude to you

get over it



old saying "sticks and stones"



no one ever died of being offended FACT





welcome to the internet



you advertise

you get critics



live with it!

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 17:35

I know it is hard when people knowingly lie about you, but really, you know the truth, your friends know the truth so unless it is outrageous, the only people who will profit from legal action for Libel, are the penguins.



Just take comfort from the fact that the teller of the 'untruth' is a sad loser anyway with little or no life to speak of. Tell them you feel sorry for them, that will make them apoplectic. Even better, tell them you forgive them.



This is just a general observation and not about any specifie example.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 17:39

Msg 45 , you should sue your estate agent

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 17:48

philbailey there is nothing illegal in someone being rude to you or about you. It is illegal to state as fact in public something about another person that is not true and that if believed would make the believer think less of said person. There is a reason why there are such laws, that have existed and evolved over many hunderds of years. You may think doing nothing about lawbreaking is the right thing to do, because it may cost you time or effort or money to do something about it. Not everyone shares this view though I would suggest. If someone breaks the law and nothing is done about it they will most likely continue to do it again and again to more than one person. Some times taking a stand againt such illegal behaviour is the right and necessary thing to do in my view.

DoctorW


Joined: 28/11/2010
Posts: 334

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 17:48

Agreed misunderstood,



but members deserve to see that the ones spreading these lies from their multiple id's are quickly banned from the board

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 17:51

Msg47, which laws should people follow?

international . eu, or moral?

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 17:54

philbailey people - indivduals, are free to follow or ignore any laws they see fit. However they can be held to account by any laws in which they come under the jurisdiction of.

Fawkes


Joined: 18/07/2011
Posts: 86

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 17:54

If the government of your country of residence choose to breach their own constitution choose to breach

international human rights legislation then how can they expect residents to obey their discriminatory legislations ?

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 18:02

Fawkes I am not personaly a believer in the idea that two wrongs make a right. I do not directly control the government and thus am not personally accounatable for their actions. I do control myself and thus am personaly accountable for my own actions and I believe others indivduals are too.



As for the issue of human rights in the TRNC, the TRNC is held accoutable for its actions in regards to human rights, by the ECHR, as an 'agent' of Turkey. This is well established by many precedents.

Fawkes


Joined: 18/07/2011
Posts: 86

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 18:09

" I do control myself and thus am personaly accountable for my own actions "



Most commendable and full credit to you for that .



It is a shame the politicians opf the trnc can not say the same.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 18:12

message 46 - is he still trading?



I could have sued Akan Kursat for the lies he told about me in Kibris Gazetesi August 2010 and the paper for printing them.



I could have sued Havadis for the lies they allowed to be printed about me (remember the 2 villas with pools in the south)



At least someone on this forum came out and asked me if what he had been told about my selling my K5 villa for £220,000 prior to the auction was true? But there again someone was telling lies about me.



Even recently someone put on here I had had money from my property on K5 so I was okay.



All lies, of course it makes you angry, your stress level goes through the roof, then they are winning, so now

I just tell the truth when I get the chance to. I know the truth, my friends and family know the truth, beyond that it is pointless to worry. Litigation is for the well heeled and then there is no certainty it will ever be worth it.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 19:01

Sorry msg 54, I did mot know you lived in the South 1st



did they not warn you?

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 19:56

Actually philbailey I did live in the south from 93 to 98 had a villa (bought in 1986), no pool, sold it in 98 moved to UK, just could not settle, looked around Spain, Portugal, Italy, Croatia, never ever thought about N Cyprus, came on holiday, fell for the way of like, like the south in the late 80's, like everyone else, assured there was no longer a problem buying here, bought through the legaL channels, the rest as they say, is history. No I never owned 2 villas with pools in the south, although the writer implied ownership now.

(I wish) could do with the money. Perhaps you missed the article I wrote explaining this on NCFP.



Still they will have to shoot me to shut me up.

birdman



Joined: 20/09/2010
Posts: 690

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 22:55

Question Please.



Has anyone EVER been charged with Libel here in the TRNC?



If so, what was the result ?



Are there ANY Public Liability laws in the TRNC ?



Gerry

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 23:06

Yes



The most known about case was alledged libel by Avrupa newspaper again R Denktash. The paper was found guilty of libel and closed as a result. It reopened under the name Afrika. This is not the only case, just one of the most known.



Yes there are public liability laws in the TRNC.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 00:35

@ msg 58, Erolz: (...) Yes there are public liability laws in the TRNC. (...)



▶ Erolz, you are right again. My lawyer in Lefkoşa has explained to me that any expat in TRNC with temporary residency or a tourist visa and with or without property in TRNC can be sued (for libel/slander) in TRNC. And it won't take three years and it won't be expensive to do it.



Very interesting also a couple of very recent cases of libel on Twitter (thank you Mrs. T. for informing me) - where the UK judges didn't hesitate to see and value the truth.



Have a look here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-eRE

And: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-12704955



Don't think you can say whatever you want on a TRNC Bulletin Board and remain unpunished - whether the board is based in TRNC or the UK.

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 00:59

Re:Msg 59,



Your first link doesn't work.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 01:10

@ msg 60, Clarissa2: (...) Your first link doesn't work. (...)

▶ You're right. This is the one: [ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-13588284 ]

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 06:36

mess 59 - what about if the poster is living in KL ?



Dutch you are full of hot air.............





roll on the time you new hapy clappy "bored" starts and you keep well away from here.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 07:35

Boysan Boyra, but the outcome is still to revealed. Also his assistant. Both allegedly charged with Libel by Akfinans.



I think they allegedly called them something dishonest in a newspaper, can you imagine - a bank allegedly dishonest, couldn't make it up could you.



I think a certain newspaper owner issued a Libel writ against a certain lady for a million pounds, but she apologised so it was dropped and I understand they are now the best of friends.



That's all I can think of Gerry.

magicart


Joined: 05/10/2008
Posts: 985

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 09:23

Libel laws and action help give protection to the little people who are bullied by others who think they can just say and do what they like.The arrogance of these people is sometimes beyond belief.

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 09:36

Oh my oh my. Another thread with lots of armchair lawyers,great reading,but it is about time folk are a little more careful what they type regarding people or businesses home & away,have a little more compassion,no need to attack folk or a business,say your bit if need be and its affected you and move on,not repeated attacks every few days or even daily,it really could push the wrong person over the edge!

Its nice to be nice.



But i may get slated for this,in a ideal world you should be able to meet the accuser in a octagon and sort it out may the best man be correct

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 09:46

msg. 57. "Has anyone EVER been charged with Libel here in the TRNC? "

msg.63: "Boysan Boyra, but the outcome is still to revealed. Also his assistant. Both allegedly charged with Libel by Akfinans."



Yes, one developer sued a couple for libel and slander with the main aim to gag them and stop their criticisms. They failed to obtain an injunction. Naturally it backfired on them because what they wrote was absoluıtely true. Two years on and they are shying away from a trial, so the writing is on the wall that they will have to withdraw their case and also pay for costs.

ismet

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 10:04

Alleged libel is only libel if it is untrue.

Fawkes


Joined: 18/07/2011
Posts: 86

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 13:06

As far as deformation and libel are concerned re posting on the internet.



Twitter



▶ Private members forum ( wher only members can view information.)



and A public forum ( this one )



there are differing presidents on all 3 any one wishing to sue for deformation and libel an Winning is a different thing altogether especially when what is posted is ▶ true in full or in part .

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 14:38

>>but it is about time folk are a little more careful what they type regarding people or businesses home & away<<



If it is factually correct - post away... I'm with misunderstood...



Suggest it is better to be careful about the emails some member send - offering 'adviSe'



[ emoticon for slapping forehead goes here.. ! ]

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 16:43

You never fail to amaze me



~ making clukking noise and eyes rolling with a smirk also goes here.. ! ~

magicart


Joined: 05/10/2008
Posts: 985

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 17:02

Think its something to do with his rocking horse mentality.

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 17:34

Or rocking chair

flamefabs


Joined: 09/07/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
25/07/2011 10:06

scootex, all talk and no action me thinks.







barry d

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
04/08/2011 14:51

What happened to Rowlo?

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
04/08/2011 23:08

re msg 71 >>Think its something to do with his rocking horse mentality.<<



Nothing wrong with being associated with Val Doonican - you being the nice chap - I'm sure that's what you meant, Art !

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
04/08/2011 23:10

Rowlos on his holidays I think.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
04/08/2011 23:12

Val Doonician, no way maybe Rowan , I think Rolls is here x

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
04/08/2011 23:14

What, 9 months ...............