'There is no such state as Cyprus' - what do YOU think

Marion


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 09:16

In his rousing speech to the peoples of northern Cyprus, Erdogan said ' there is no such state as Cyprus - just the TRNC AND THE Gk Cypriot administration.'. Tell me folks, are you happy with what he said. Do you feel more hopeful about the situation in Cyprus? Are you quotable? and printable?

I want to publish in next week;s Star your views. a couple of lines, and I will give your name if you wish, or if you feel very negatively, then 'anonymous' will do. We need to know what we all think as we seem to be heading towards a future that some do not relish and to which others open their arms.

so tell me, how do YOU feel?

hwilde


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 09:26

Perhaps you should quote Archbishop Makarios.



http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/history/republic/makarios-speech.html

Geoff


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 09:33

What is in a name? Intention is what matters here.

Geoff

Famagusta City

Marion


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 10:32

thanks for the idea, but Makarios is dead and GC, i want the thoughts of the living ex pats.

so come on - let us know whether you feel confident about it all and happy to live in a place such as Erdogan envisages. Cheeky comments welcome, but not much good for the Star.

and anyway, Makarios words and (nefarious) deeds are well documented - but our thoughts are not.

Ozankoyman


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 10:36

Quote from Premier Erdogan is very right indeed.

We are I believe heading for a conclusion in the whole Cyprus affair,

Erdogan has finally realised his strength in the region and how the Greeks of cyprus

do not want a settlement with Turkish Cyprus.

There is and will be a Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and the Greeks of can

forever claim to be the Cyprus Republic, a Cyprus republic that is supposed to constitute

Turkish Cypriots as well as Greek Cypriots which clearly it does not since the bloody Christmas

Of 1963 when they ousted all Turkish Cypriots from office and forced them to live in enclaves which

is well documented in the press of the era.

hwilde


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Posts: 230

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 10:54

marion



When Makarios spoke to the UN he was the legitimate President of the Republic. He told the UN that the new "government in Cyrprus was illegal and that the Turkish "invasion" was legal.



If anyone should have known what the position was it was him, who was rescued from a Greek coup d'etat by the British. His position entirely supported the remarks made by Erdogan.



To dismiss him because he is dead is just plain daft. To want a few "cheeky" comments from expats so that you can sell a few copies of your rag is just plain pathetic. It just goes to show what a waste of space your comic is.

Marion


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 11:14

everyone to their own opinion and I am happy to print yours alongside those who like the paper. who am I to comment - I have only just started writing for them. and yes, we want the 'cheeky' comments from the people who live here and who will want/or not to continue to live here feeling they have no worries for the future.

and I DO know my history re makarios (or at least as much as I can glean,) including having a boy friend inthe south who was an EOKA member - silly trusting me, cos they hated the |Brits!

hwilde


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 11:19

Quite, "silly you" as you said. The point, my view, which was what you asked for wasn't it, is that the words of the lawful President of the Republic of Cyprus to the UN are of interest. As usual the Star wants to reduce a serious subject to frivalous nonsense. Treat the subject with respect or leave it alone. If the best you can manage are the "expats in bars pages" then stick to that.

mikelapta



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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 11:39

Sorry,holiday home for 10 years,living here nearly 3 years.I also assumed this island was 2 countries.I live in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus,I pay for goods in Turkish Lira,The Turkish Government give us money,to build roads,etc.



I came to this lovely island to escape the Euro,and being controlled by Germans and French.



Long live KKTC,whether Kusey Kibris is called a separate country,or another state of Turkey does it matter??

We will not be dragged down by the Euro

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 12:00

re msg 5



>>Erdogan has finally realised his strength in the region and how the Greeks of cyprus

do not want a settlement with Turkish Cyprus. <<



While that might ( sadly) me the feeling of a minority of GCs - the turth of the matter is that if you ask most GCs they will simply say that they don't HAVE a problem with TCs - they DO not want to have to deal with Turkey - esp. as long as they occupy part of their island.



re msg 9 MikeLapta







If you came to this island to 'escape' being controlled by Germans and French you clearly don't know much about how the EU works.. there's 27 members, now... I think you'll find that a German would say that's precisely why the Euro is in trouble.... :D



Not to many GCs enamoured with the Euro, now....



'We' ?

Troodo


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 12:06

When the GC’s abandoned the constitution of the Republic and forced the TC’s out of office, the said republic ceased to exist - Quite plain, quite simple, in international law. But for a badly worded UN resolution, there would be no argument.

Turtle


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 12:57

"they do not want to have to deal with Turkey"



There lies the problem.



Since 63 the GC's didn't want to deal with the TC,s either so what has changed now.



If they don't want to deal with Turkey will they deal with Turkish speaking Cypriots who may get guidance from Turkey ?

Tonyta


Joined: 11/06/2011
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 13:25

A small island with it's people ruled by two outside bodies, ie Greece and Turkey. Politics was described by a greek philosopher many years ago as "the practice of deceipt" and in this case the people of this lovely island have been decieved for many years. Us brits are as much responsible for the situation as our civil servants messed up again as in the cases of India and Vietnam. Time for the people to take responsibilty back, forget the past and re unite the island on their terms. Tell both mainland govts to stay out of their affairs. they are Cypriots first and last and beautiful people with a laid back culture that inspires people. Forgive and forget, move on and then you and your children can all enjoy your island as it should be UNITED.

Clarissa2


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 13:29

Re: Msg 1, 'There is no such state as Cyprus' - what do YOU think"



I think we heard it all before: 'great leaders' rewriting history...



Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao...

Bradus


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 13:39

The question asked was:



Do you feel more hopeful about the situation in Cyprus?



Obviously no one has a crystal ball to see what might lie ahead and therein lies the problem. I note when this question has been raised previously the English expat response is somewhat different from the TC response. The latter frequently, as witnessed by the many recent protests and TC comments on several forums, is that they do not wish to become a State of Turkey. Yet for the expat community this situation is often quoted as the best solution. This appears to be related to a loss of confidence in the TRNC Governments, past and present and many also quote that Turkey having control would give more reassurance as to the validity of their Title Deeds.

Bradus


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 13:44

One thing stands out very clearly and that is, that despite the recent negotiations, the GC and TC Government had no intention of any form of reunification. I doubt that this was due to any consideration of what their peoples or the International community desired or even what was best for Cyprus but more about a refusal to share control and power. To be suddenly held accountable for their actions by their opposing side and to have their very dirty linen made public.

hwilde


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 13:46

tonyta



You intrigue me. How did Britain mess up Vietnam?

Troodo


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 13:59

The question asked was:



Do you feel more hopeful about the situation in Cyprus?



MSG 15.

The question arsked was



'There is no such state as Cyprus' - what do YOU think

Bradus


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 14:01

By the way, I think the only people that should make this decision is the TC and GC citizens. People frequently quote that they are just guests on the island, so in reality, we can share our thoughts on the future of the island, but any agreements should not be influenced by the expat community.



Nor will they be.

blade


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 14:01

There is no such state as Cyprus.

I agree Cyprus is a country not a state. World wide it is known as the Republic of Cyprus.

Bradus


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 14:27

Troodo,



not very politically correct or savvy but in truth I see one island divided into 2 because of mistakes, crimes and illegalities made on both sides and made worse by the meddling of other nations, that should suffer the same sanctions.



If the ROC was a democracy with a Government that upheld the laws of the land, were not so evidently corrupt and could be trusted to uphold International law and respect Human Rights then I perhaps would view the stance being taken by all but Turkey as justifiable. However the 2 sides are very much alike in their Governing styles and neither really deserve the respect or the trust of their peoples. It is unfair to place sanctions on the North and allow the South's actions to be ignored.



In short I view them in the same light.

Bradus


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 14:28

One very corrupt island.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 14:33

Back in '63 the TCs were exercising many vetoes - making the working of the govt 'difficult' .. it was not a one way street ... Now was this a deliberate act by The TC vice president ?





The GCs had voted in 1959 by a margin of 2:1 for a candidate ( Makarios) who WAS in favour of the 1960 RoC Constitution over a candidate who wasn't.....

Troodo


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 14:48

exercising many vetoes.



MM.

Which was their democratic right. It was not the GC's democratic right to remove articles from the constitution and oust them from government by force.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 15:02

re 24



you need to read this:



http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/53.htm



GP time ..

Troodo


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 15:45

Oh mm, you disappoint me – this is not a true commentary of events, as you well know, but the corner stone of GC dissemblance.

dippersgirl



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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 16:08

If it did not work in the sixties, then what is different now???

Also all the Turkish people, many who have lived here all their lives, where should they go??

One cannot put the clock back, a solution for the NOW has to be found.

Too many people look backwards!!

Troodo


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 16:34

msg 27/

If we do not learn from the past, then we are all fools.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 16:56

Dippersgirl





>>Turkish people, many who have lived here all their lives, where should they go?? <<





Part of the Annan agreement - that the GCs were told wasn't the best deal that they could get - allowed for 40K of the TR folk illegally shipped in - as TCs continued to leave - to stay..



Not sure if TR WANT that to be part of any settlement - but the repopulation was illegal and has no basis in international law - nor part of the treaty of guarantee..









Troodo



re 26



Why isn't a true representation of events ? Is that why you are 'disappointed' ?

Washerman


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 16:58

The Greek and Turkish Cypriots have been entrenched in their beliefs for 'so' long that I doubt that either side will ever give in - one way or, the other !

Plus, there are too many outside influences with vested interests putting pressure on 'them' - making it nigh on impossible for 'them' to reach a solution.

If only they could all be open-minded and reasonable like the British

Take this forum for example........please, take this forum !

dippersgirl



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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 17:26

Yeah, Yeah, learning from the past, That has me in hysterics. When did anybody do that anywhere????



and 6m I did say don't look back, but you are doing it!!! Looking back 2 years, 20 years, 200years etc... where do you stop???

Troodo


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 17:29

mm.

Only a GC would accept that example as a true representation. When the GC's admit that they forced the TC's out of the government illegally, then maybe there will be a chance for a solution. This continual denial of the truth, only leaves the fear that, given the chance, they will continue plans for Greek dominance.

Mambosun


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 17:35

Yes Cyrus is a state (a right state) !!!!

erolz


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 17:38

msg30 "The Greek and Turkish Cypriots have been entrenched in their beliefs for 'so' long that I doubt that either side will ever give in - one way or, the other !"



As a (part) TC I do find it amusing to be told what we think as a group by a non TC.



I would argue that there has at times in fact been quite a considerable change in attitudes of TC re the cyprus problem, in indivduals and in them as a group. On the group front the election of Talat's party into power and him into prime ministership and then president. This marked a very real and material change in previously entrenched attitudes of TC to the Cyprus problem in my view. On the indivdual level I would site my cousin, who's father was taken from his place of work in 1964 by a group of armed men, almost certainly run out of the Interior Ministry, never to be seen until his body was finally found in a well and indentified in mid 2000 by the CMP. [cont]

erolz


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 17:40

This same cousin now lives and works in both the north and south moving between the two and sends his children to a school in the South.



For me the reality is that more and more Cypriots are putting the past behind them and are looking for a better way forward, though of course this is just a subjective opinion. I think over time this kind of change from previouly entrentched positions can only increase.

Turtle


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 18:06

erolz

Without being personal and tell me to sod off if you wish (i won't be offended) What is your own personal favoured outcome to the Cyprus issue ?

Troodo


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 18:10

This same cousin now lives and works in both the north and south moving between the two and sends his children to a school in the South.



erolz.

This is how it should be, and would be under a federation of equal states. Trouble is the GC’s want a federation of two unequal states, a Turkish community and a Greek state. That will be a disaster for the TC’s and must be a red line.

erolz


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 18:13

Turtle no problem with you asking - now sod off. No only joking



It is not an easy question to answer to be honest. Ultimately I would like to see a single united cypriot state where it geneuinely does not matter if you are TC or GC or any other background, where the commonality of just being Cypriot overides any other differences. The really difficult question is how you get from where we are now to such a place. I do not believe there is any way to the destination that does not involve an intermidate stage and possible a long one. It is what the form of that intermediate stage is that is then the 'question' for me. For me even agreed and internationaly recoignised seperation could be such an intermidate stage in the long run. Sorry if that does not answer the question. It is not an easy one to answer.

erolz


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 18:16

Troodo, I was actualy trying to stay out of this thread, but having joined it, it was to comment on TC attitudes, indivdual and general and how 'entrentched' they may or may not be, in response to msg 30. Whilst I hear what you are saying in msg 37, I am not really commenting on the attitudes of GC, indivdual or general. At least in this thread.

Turtle


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 18:21

erolz, thank you for your answer I think I get the gist of what your saying.



Thank you

Troodo


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 18:29

Fair enough erolz.

Meanwhile back on thread - 'There is no such state as Cyprus'





When the GC’s abandoned the constitution of the Republic and forced the TC’s out of office, the said republic ceased to exist - Quite plain, quite simple, in international law. But for a badly worded UN resolution, there would be no argument.

andre514


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 19:07

marion message 1:



one can feel moderately hopeful about the situation in north cyprus:

sooner rather than later serious efforts will be made to get recognition for the north

but while this may be a long while coming, the booming turkish economy will help



as regards cyprus-nicosia, I am hopeful that they must soon begin the painful process

of coming to terms with the reality of partition and as they recover from their heavy

indebtedness, will expand trade and travel links with the north



erdogan's remarks about there being no "cyprus" is in terms of turkey's

non-recognition of the south, no big deal but yes, a sign of their determination to stay



turkish new cypriots do have at least the beginnings of international recognition

in terms of property rights, according to a european court statement in february 2010



reunification plans were basically stymied by the 2004 debacle, but idealistic hopes of it

are dying with a whimper rather than a bang

andre514


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 19:37

pikey message 20:



surely the republic of cyprus is a state recognised internationaly

to represent the whole island

...while cyprus is a country partitioned into two administrations "at the moment"?



now can I have my free kebab and soft drink of choice?

Jovial_John


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 19:49

Whatever else is agreed, I cannot see the South agreeing a deal leaving Turkish troops in Cyprus and I cannot see the North agreeing to live in a reuinited Cyprus without that protection. Sure, the politicians may cobble together some agreement but in the end the referenda will decide.

And who can the TCs believe except Turkey, however reluctantly many may feel about their onging involvement. The UN let them down from 1964 onwards while they sat around and watched the continued killings, the TCs being driven into enclaves, and their continued criminal failure to recognise the truth of what happened from 1963 to the present day. The EU let them down when they failed, and continue to fail, to keep the promises they made if the TCs voted for Annan.

I admire very much the spirit of forgivemess I see generally among TCs and their genuine striving for some sort of improved future - but I fear that alone they are not big enough to succeed.

Marion


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 20:56

thanks for the many thoughts above. On a personal level I agree with much that many have said - the spirit of forgiveness as mentioned above is seen in gestures such as helping with electric, water etc (when and if) as many hurts have to be healed. One cannot continue in hatred as it destroys the inner man. I had a friend who hated Germans because of what was done during the WW's, but I have many german friends - they are not responsible for what leaders did.

But one thing I want to know is that we all appreciate that we guests/ex pats on the island have no right to dictate what we think the future will be and how it should be decided, but for those who live here and for who it is their home, how d othey feel about the possibilities as outlined by Erdogan for the future. do they feel more or less secure by the statement that Turkey will never sit at table with the GC when presidents of the EU - showing an even clearer division of the island. If TRNC cannot survive alone, and most

Marion


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 20:59

cont/... of us recognise that it not currently economically viable, then turkey as 'motherland' must continue to care for us 'chicks'. some TC's I know DO refer to 'motherland Turkey' and it looks set to continue until a miracle happens at the negotiating table. Do we ex pats feel more secure or less secure.

this is not an argument as to how welcome we are here; or whether we should state opinions; this is a simple question that as we ARE here, how do we feel about the future. 'He who pays the piper calls the tune' and so it is logical that Turkey should state that tune. Is that beneficial to us all, or frightening.

Tonyta


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 21:26

To answer Hwilde message 17. I am not an historian but I believe that pre the 2nd world war, Vietnam was run by the French. After the war the british had control and were approached by Ho Chi Min the representative of the vietnamese people. Brits gave it back to the French. HCM went north and the rest is history. We then split Pakistan from India leaving many problems most of them remaining today.

andre514


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 22:10

jovial john message 44:



"sure, the politicians may cobble together some agreement"



oh but they did in 2004, under the annan process, although the gc's never accepted all the sections

the situation as of now is that talks have continued for another three years, without any agreement

so if we are waiting for a new referendum we will probably be disappointed



everybody seems to agree many tc's have mixed feelings about the present set-up,

.....although I cannot see them all jumping into bed with the gc's on grounds of trust if nothing else

andre514


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 22:15

marion message 46:



"...do we ex-pats feel more secure or less secure?"



hazarding a wild guess I'd say more or less the same, barring a miracle, as you may call it



andre

elko2



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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 22:20

msg. 42 Andre514,

I agree 100%.

ismet

Marion


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Message Posted:
24/07/2011 23:31

Thanks Andre and Ismet for some good feedback.



More anyone?

bigOz


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Message Posted:
25/07/2011 00:15

mmmmmm; re msg. 23

Makarios was one of the main Leaders of EOKA in 1959. He was pro "union with Greece" (Enosis), and the only reason he gave into British demands to accept a constitution for the Republic of Cyprus was because he was blackmailed by the findings of British Secret Service - who proved him to be a pedophile! Anyway, this is well documented and you will find the link in my post at:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus23687-50.html

Just scroll down and the link is there; but just in case you can't open it, here is the link to Makario's story:

SPY SECRETS: playing dirty

by The History Channel

Thursday Mar 31st, 2005 3:57 PM

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2005/0 ... 306151.php

Just click on the "download video..." link. Ity is a 47 minute video but the bit about Makarios is at 31st minute

bigOz


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Message Posted:
25/07/2011 00:18

If you still cannot get it, here is the direct link to the video:

download video: playing_dirty.rm (27.6 MB)

bigOz


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Message Posted:
25/07/2011 00:20

Sorry, I do not think that is the right route either. Here is the actual address for the page:

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2005/03/31/17306151.php

brother



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Message Posted:
25/07/2011 00:39

Msg.25 offers a link to an article that avoids accounting for the inter-communal distrust at the time.



Those who have lived through the period of time related to the article know very well that the situation was not as straightforward.



The originator of Msg.25 does not appear to be a TC or someone who lived through the period concerned.

Therefore it is puzzling to see such authors trying to assert their knowledge based on such simple analysis of a complex inter-communal dynamics.

Marion


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Message Posted:
25/07/2011 01:31

appreciate what you are saying re \makarios, but what I want is people's forward thinking and to answer 2 questions: Are the |Brits content with what Erdogan said, and do they feel more hopeful about the situation in Cyprus.



I appreciate that the role of Makarios in the past was a crucial one (maybe that is an understatement) but that was a long time ago and we need tolook to the future. But what future?

bertieboss


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Message Posted:
25/07/2011 07:40

Makarios was a clever manipulative rabble rouser.



But the greek cypriots were quite happy to have the turkish cypriots marginalised into "quarters" as in Limassol.



In the late 60s all I saw from the average man in the street was indifference - as though they were second class citizens.



A bit like "gypsies" or travellers!!

pc4854


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Message Posted:
25/07/2011 08:06

What happens next? Just supposing that that every thing moves forward as most people believe and that there is no agreement between the two sides. The UN, I think, have made it quite clear that the process will end, the UN force will be withdrawn and the Goodwill Offices will close, in other words, the UN are saying, it is impossible for us to solve the problem. Assuming this happens, what next? What happens to the area of No-mans-land between the two sides, will it be reclaimed by one side or the other or will the original occupants return to their property and reclaim it? What happens in the UN itself? Do all the resolutions relating to the "Cyprus Promlem" now lapse or are disabled in some way, so that they no longer apply or do they remain as a blight on the TC's horizon? If they no longer apply, will the TC's then be able to seek international recognition, thus bringing about a true partition, which in time may disolve as the two sides become true Cypriots and not TC and GC?

elko2



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Message Posted:
25/07/2011 09:46

msg 58, PC4854,



"...as the two sides become true Cypriots and not TC and GC? "



This never happened in history, thus there is no chance of that happening. They lived together or side by side for centuries and yet hardly any intermarriages took place. Why?

1. Different language.

2. Different Religion.

3. Two different motherlands to aspire to.



The language is not such a problem but the other two are impossible to reconcile for the masses.

ismet

Marion


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Message Posted:
25/07/2011 11:18

valid points, but U.K managed it. David Haye, West Indian extract married to very British natasha. Many famous couples exist where intermarriage has taken place, but in my parents day it was totally unheard of and not allowed by doting parents.

British now has half the world as 'motherlands' and although it is not an ideal situation it can work.

australia has many motherlands, but they are all AUSTRALIAN and it works (apart from the poor abos who are still on the fringe, but that is changing, and whites marry Abos too.

Soi there is HOPE and it CAN change, but when and how - as Shakes peare would say 'there's the rub'

pc4854


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Message Posted:
25/07/2011 11:29

No Elko, I was thinking in terms of decades, possibly centuries ahead. I think the GC's have to a large extent been egged on by mainland Greece but now they have their own problems to deal with and their influence I feel will diminish. Two peoples living side by side on a small island, without external pressures, I feel will make them become Cypriot rather than GC or TC and when that happens, yes intercommunal marriages will surely take place just as they will learn to work and trade together. The mood of change appears to be taking place in the south, the electorate have awoken to the true value of their political choices. With new blood and brains taking over, I think these changes will come about and they will learn to live in harmony together. I do hope so.

Marion


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Message Posted:
25/07/2011 12:46

HYes no 61 - with the advent of the EU to the south, more and more other nationalities are coming in and that will create a multi national state. the GC's are no longer as religious as they were and since secular marriages were allowed from about 20 years ago, the church is losing its hold on the way people marry, live etc. Maybe by the time they are multi national, the TC's will blend back in. And many young TC are marrying Brits and so.......................cyprus will end up with what Enoch Powell forecast for U.K 'a coffee coloured population'

cyprusairsoft



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Message Posted:
25/07/2011 18:28

enoch was a racist





2 states amd recognition for north end of story

andre514


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Message Posted:
25/07/2011 18:40

lot of loose talk about "mixed marriages...."



some mixtures are benign, others may be more explosive:

and its more outside pressures than problems with the pair



remember the song:

"when two tribes go to war blah blah blah etc..."



at the risk of upsetting nearly everyone on the forum,

perhaps a closer analogy is the idea of protestant/catholic

marriages in the north of ireland, at least in earlier times



and that is a prime example of "who controls what"? outside



but if we have to stick to the mediterranean area hows about

montegues and capulets as in " romeo and juliet"?



and er...don't forget in famous melting pots like the usa the

separate ingredients haven't always melted