Cyprus heading towards seperation

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
30/07/2011 23:10

Turkey’s government still wants a solution for the divided island of Cyprus but sees there won’t be one, says an academic who has long worked for reunification. According to Mensur Akgün, Turkey’s PM wants to give the message that getting 50 percent of the votes will not make him more flexible

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
30/07/2011 23:10

Cyprus is heading toward separation as chances dim for a solution based on reunification, according to academic Mensur Akgün, who has been working for nearly a decade with a nongovernmental organization that is trying to bridge the gap on the divided island. But separation will be a costly solution, he told the Hürriyet Daily News in a recent interview



http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=8216cyprus-is-heading-toward-separation8217-says-academic-2011-07-22

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 00:17

think he is right bill xxxxxxxx

bertieboss


Joined: 22/07/2011
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 01:21

Cyprus was divided when I first went there in the 60s except that the Turkish people were herded into ghettoes and treated like second class citizens.It's just unfortunate the rest of the world don't choose to see it that way and they might have a point about the Turkish military withdrawing - but then what !!?? I think the Uk in particular has been hypocritical in the affair as in so many other theatres in the world.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 01:31

bertieboss - may I ask you a question? You state that you first went to Cyprus in the 60's and yet you have your age (in your profile) as 39?



Just curious

gazmufc78


Joined: 03/09/2009
Posts: 366

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 09:55

Jeannie-- That's because you cannot take anything as it may seem on this board. Some have numerous identities and probably non of them are real. That's just how it is, but you can after a while tell from their posts who they are. Even banned members post under another guise and generally you can tell by businesses that they support and favour, infact some are supposed to be employees of the business!!

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 10:25

Partition is the only settlement we will see in our lives - and the sooner the better. Too much time and effort and money is being spent on never ending talks with no prospect of a unification settlement.

Geoff

Famagusta City

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 11:32

The perception of British expats in the south is that the North is filled with thieves, conmen and rapists. That it is filthy with rubbish, with no hygiene or proper toilets. I wonder where they get that impression from? Solution, not a chance; separation is the only way forward.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 13:10

All too often we see this topical debate around the many forums and mostly its ex-pats who make comments on the situation mainly in their own intrests, I have no problem with that but what about the TC,s ?



We hardly ever hear from these guys as to what they want,... are the powers that be negotiating for a unified settlement or are the negotiating for partition ?



C,mon TC,s let us know your feelings, the Brits on here seem to know whats best (thats normal for us Brits)? but what do you think

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 13:24

Cyprus does not belong to Turkey,therefore Turkey does not decide on future of Cyprus.



You only want partition because thats what suits you.Same goes for England so they can play 2 sides against each other.



What'd your next expectation be?Expansion to be able to buy more pre 74 gCypriot owned land?............on the cheap??





ONE ISLAND,ONE NATION...............CYPRIOTS..................as far as turkey and greece are concerned,they can go xxxx themselves with england on their tail.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 13:48

Msg 10, it does seem the ex-pats have their own agenda

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
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Message Posted:
31/07/2011 14:07

It pains me to say this but I have to agree with yorg.

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 14:14

msg 10



I totally agree with you. Unfortunately it does not look like we are heading towards a one island one nation status....

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 14:16

"ONE ISLAND,ONE NATION...............CYPRIOTS"

Hasn't that been tried before?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 17:04

msg 14;

In reality NO,it has not been tried before.It hasn't been allowed to be tried,thanks to turkey,greece and england.However,50 years on times have changed and we've learnt alot from pass mistakes by allowing 'others' to interfere.

Saying that,you(brits) are not the onle ones that gained from current situation but alot of Cypriots has,too,hence the reason the likes of myself are not in majority....................yet!

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 17:26

We all have our own agenda, usually what is best for us.

Nothing wrong with that.

Whatever your views on expat's agenda/s (I am an expat) the fact remains that it now looks pretty certain that partition will be the outcome of the so-called CyProb.

Geoff

Famagusta City.

Pippie


Joined: 02/12/2009
Posts: 1288

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 18:05

I was told on the hush hush a couple of weeks ago that plans are being made now for the 2 state solution that will be made public next year.

tracer


Joined: 02/06/2010
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 18:09

So except from wanted persons in the north occupied side of my country the majority have OCD end especially the brits ...



Ps: OCD....Obsessive-compulsive disorder....

the agandas about my country i will decide them with my people ..The CYPRIOTS

who the hell do you think you are anyway.....i will tell YOU ARE nothing more and nothing less than cheap carbetbaggers...

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 18:12

Well there you are folks,they say if you want the latest news,Ask the Barmaid.......

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 18:19

msg 19;

is that a new way of saying................'truth hurts'??

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 18:30

In fairness Yorgie only you have come out and stated what TC,s want.

Is this a fair concensus of peoples beliefs on here ?

Pippie


Joined: 02/12/2009
Posts: 1288

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 18:43

It's a shame, but in the end it will be the politicians that decide your fate, regardless of what the TCs want.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 19:06

I thought the Cypriots will decide on a vote ?

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 19:40

Seems you are on your own yorg, exsept for tracer who would love to get his hands on you - opps sorry, I mean join his side.

hetty


Joined: 31/07/2011
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 20:14

Msg 10, I have been reading this forum for a few weeks as I am moving over next year, if I may say, you are quite wrong, Cyprus does indeed belong to Turkey, TURKISH REPUBLIC OF NORTHERN CYPRUS, if it belonged to the Cypriots it would say TURKISH CYPRIOT REPUBLIC OF NORTHER CYPRUS. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, maybe you should talk to your President.

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 20:15

The fact is that Turkey will not let go of Northern Cyprus and the reasons are obvious, there is no such thing as a 2 state solution.



We have the ROC and we have the TRNC which at this rate is soon become an illegal state of Turkey if Erdogan stays in power long enough.

hetty


Joined: 31/07/2011
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 20:52

Would it be an illegal state of Turkey, I can't see why.

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 21:50

msg 27



It will always be the illegally occupied part of Cyprus regardles of what Turkey decide to declare it as.



Cyprus has never belonged to the Cypriots and never will do

Cobbler


Joined: 15/11/2009
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 22:22

Surely all of Cyprus is in the EU. If Turkey takes over the TRNC it will have big problems with the EU, maybe embargoes.

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 23:30

Some of you need a history lesson

hetty


Joined: 31/07/2011
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 23:35

Correct me if I am wrong but the Turks were in Cyprus before the Greeks so they should be the 'holders' of the island, shouldn't they?

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 23:39

And who should hold England? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha...

Roomy


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Message Posted:
31/07/2011 23:41

Go back far enough and we all belong to Africa.

hetty


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Posts: 167

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 23:46

Perish the thought lol

Riddles


Joined: 26/04/2011
Posts: 429

Message Posted:
31/07/2011 23:51

Roomy is right ...we're all Africans!

brother



Joined: 29/01/2010
Posts: 446

Message Posted:
01/08/2011 00:13

The information that Msg.1 points at appears to have some ground when it was discovered recently that the Cyprus Orthodox Church made it known that "We wish we were using candles instead of buying power from the Turks".

More details at: http://www.sundayszaman.com/sunday/newsDetail_getNewsById.action?newsId=251451

bertieboss


Joined: 22/07/2011
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
01/08/2011 01:51

Message 5 - slip of the key when registering. Should be 69 !!!

bigmac


Joined: 26/11/2010
Posts: 25

Message Posted:
01/08/2011 10:53

Bertieboss - msg.4

I was also here in the 60's and I totally agree with your comment.

Cobbler


Joined: 15/11/2009
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
01/08/2011 18:19

I'll correct you Hetty. The Greeks arrived in Cyprus more than 2000 years ago, the Turks 340 years ago.

wanderer


Joined: 05/02/2009
Posts: 1653

Message Posted:
01/08/2011 18:39

STOP PRESS

****** Cameron kidnapped in Italy Berlasconi declares the UK as now sovereign state of Italy as it was conquered by J Caesar 2000 years ago and only lent to the Angles and Saxons Normans etc ******

for the gullible this is a joke like Cameron who was told carry your own coffees today by the staff in an Italian coffee bar

The waitress Vs Cameron: Prime Minister on holiday asks for three coffees... and cafe worker tells him 'I'm busy, get them yourself'



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2021021/David-Cameron-Italy-PM-asks-waitress-3-coffees-tells-yourself.html#ixzz1TnBHz38w

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/08/2011 18:39

@ msg 39, Cobbler: (...) I'll correct you Hetty. The Greeks arrived in Cyprus more than 2000 years ago, the Turks 340 years ago. (...)

▶ Allow me to correct you. No exact date is known about the first arrival of Greek speaking settlers (from the Aegean Islands) in Cyprus. But it's much, much longer than 2000 years ago.

▶ "The Turks" arrived in Cyprus - during their conquest of the island - in 1570. That's exactly 441 years ago.

jilly47


Joined: 24/05/2011
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
01/08/2011 18:46

Exactly as I remember it!! My first visit was in 1970.

jilly47


Joined: 24/05/2011
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
01/08/2011 18:46

Exactly as I remember it!! My first visit was in 1970.

hetty


Joined: 31/07/2011
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
01/08/2011 18:50

Oh well I can't be right all the time

hetty


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Posts: 167

Message Posted:
01/08/2011 19:14

Msg 41, I have noticed that you enjoy correcting people and you are very critical so I am assuming that my post no 25 is correct as you haven't commented about it!

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
01/08/2011 19:22

yorg and philbailey:



people want what benefits them personally? but of course!

or as marx said "ideology is disguised-self interest"



although there is an army of supposedly idealistic souls, lisping:

"I think what is best for xxxxxxxx is xxxxxxxxx"



you can make of that what you will, even pass the sickbag

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
01/08/2011 20:20

msg 15 Yorg, 1960 doesn't count then, is that not what your southern cousins want to return to? How long do you think it would be before they made it impossible again for the TC side to have a say in anything, and we all know what that eventually led to.



As for a lot of Cypriots making from the current situation, I would think the vast majority have done very nicely for themselves out of it.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/08/2011 20:28

@ msg 45, Hetty: (...) I have noticed that you enjoy correcting people (...)

▶ Not at all. But I like (historic) facts and dates to remain (historic) facts and dates. And I know that's not to the liking of some people here. But that's not my problem - unless readers can prove me wrong. That doesn't happen often though.

hetty


Joined: 31/07/2011
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
01/08/2011 20:34

I will bow to your 'superior' knowledge )~

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
01/08/2011 20:51

You know last night I asked a good cypriot friend. He has many houses here, one in bulgaria, one in Istanbul and one in Londra as he said. He was born in pathos and has two passports Ids whatever. Speaks both languages, does a lot of work greek side. I asked what do you the turkish cypriots really want. He replied I can retire at 55 with exactly minimum 1000 euros pension a month exactly (his words) maybe more if my insurance is good. I said if by that time he is now 50 you are european then what, Maybe bigger pension but most of all we want a future for our children. Oh he also has 6 buisnesses x

Jetski


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 584

Message Posted:
01/08/2011 22:06

MSG 41 ignore Dutch..... he pretends to know much but is in fact limited. His recent 'information' about man's participation in the extinction of dwarf hippos and elephants on the island is a good example. I'm still waiting for him to back up his 'factoids' with solid proof..... as are the rest of the scientific community. He really should stick to his own field of expertise. (If there is one)

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/08/2011 22:17

@ msg 51, Jetski: (...) I'm still waiting for him to back up his 'factoids' with solid proof..... (...)

▶ You again!

So again I have to remind you of your post that you would not write here again for some time!



AND I must remind you that you offered to send an article to interested people - but you backed out when I said I was interested.

AND I must remind you that you offered to send an article to interested people - but you backed out when I said I was interested.

AND I must remind you that you offered to send an article to interested people - but you backed out when I said I was interested.

AND I must remind you that you offered to send an article to interested people - but you backed out when I said I was interested.



And > you < tell me that you are waiting for me?

Jetski


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 584

Message Posted:
01/08/2011 22:42

Hey Cloggie.... the articles are all out there and freely available and I have forwarded many to 'interested people'! I just couldn't be bothered to reply to you.



BTW How long is 'some time'?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/08/2011 22:48

@ msg 53, Jetski: (...) Hey Cloggie.... the articles are all out there and freely available and I have forwarded many to 'interested people'! I just couldn't be bothered to reply to you. (...)

▶ So you admit it! Thank you for enlightening the readers about you character. And "Cloggie"? Better than a cheating Brit, I think.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
01/08/2011 22:50

Please guys lets stick to the rules.

hetty


Joined: 31/07/2011
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
01/08/2011 22:59

DC, you come across as a bit of a 'plonker' and brit basher, I will still bow to your knowledge unless you prove otherwise.

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
02/08/2011 12:01

I spent friday at my friends cafe in Limassol.

Spent a lot of time talking with people especially about the current situation.

The Berlin wall and removal of EU passports were things they suggested would happen if Turkey carried on its stupidity. They want to shut the door.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
02/08/2011 14:57

Thats the silly comments you get sitting in cafe's ?



I would suggest talking to someone who actually knows whats going on.

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
02/08/2011 16:48

Turtle,

You know i am all for a solution and always have been. I am only saying what i heard, the door is closing, the Roc will vote No again. In my time here i have never heard such strong talk and feelings from people in the south.

dearie


Joined: 08/03/2011
Posts: 142

Message Posted:
02/08/2011 17:43

Yes ROOMY I agree MANY do need history lessons and also wake up and smell the Bacon. Cypriots do not want us here. We know this from the comments that are made and also the way that people here are allowed to break the law continually when there are disputes with the powers that be!!

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
02/08/2011 17:59

message 57 pikey:



it sounds like you ate one of those brownies

with your coffee like they do in amsterdam



....or so I'm told

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
02/08/2011 18:34

We seem to have started a right or wrong game here on who owns what.well firstly i can assure alot of people that Yorgo in msg 10 isn't the only person that has strong feeling like that, we as cypriots all have the same feeling 1 country, Cyprus, but yes Mr Erdogans game is in the open and has made some threats to E.U and the rest of theworld that, he will not play ball any longer, well the greek cypriots are not shaking in their boots and gives them more power to complain to the world.

But leaving this to all one side, we brought it on ourselfs as cypriots, we have never been united in our struggle, we have all been too busy chasing wealth and land ownership.We as T.C's do not have much voice left anymore, as most of you have read or heard on the news,between 650000-100000 illegal workers who haven't paid a single penny in Tax will be given Citizenship of the next 3 months.Great come work illegally send all the earning back to mainland and become a citizen.

what a nice move less TC'

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
02/08/2011 18:40

with 65000-10000 more votes for the present goverment gives all the power he needs to claim TRNC as part of the 82nd of Turkey.

and who says that can not be done, all it takes is a vote in a ref and can thats the peoples wish, no one in the world can argue with that.The world has sat back for 50 years and watched without giving a toss about the TC's does anyone think that they will now.

More to point what i really want to know, if Turkey declares TRNC as the 82nd state, what will all the expats do for border runs, as Turkey does not recognize the Greek Cypriot Government and Vs. so no borders then.

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
02/08/2011 18:55

Erkin if no one had given a toss about TC in 59/60, then at the end of British rule in Cyprus, the whole place would have simply become a part of Greece and there would be no indpendant Cypriot nation today at all and you and I would be Greek Citizens, not Cypriot and Cyprus would be ruled from Athens. It is only because of the TC minority in Cyprus and support for it as a community in Cyprus by external powerts that stopped enosis from becomming the natural next stage in CYprus after Britihs rule ended.

Nor would annexation of the Northern part of Cyprus simply be a matter of having a referendum. If that were the case then all that would be needed for the north to be a recognised soverign state in its own right would be a referendum. We know things are not that simple and its the same with annexation or union of the North with Turkey.

Jetski


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 584

Message Posted:
02/08/2011 21:12

Msg 54



So you admit it! Thank you for enlightening the readers about you character. And "Cloggie"? Better than a cheating Brit, I think.



Cloggie..... tax? social security? work permit? guides licence?...... you carry on old mate. LOL

Stewart


Joined: 19/07/2008
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
03/08/2011 13:23

DC thank you for the insight....can you clarify....how many years ago was cyprus under British rule for the first time...and when did the Romans and Eygptian's rule?

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
03/08/2011 14:28

Well said Erkin.



For me what has always puzzled me is, Turkey came to Cyprus to intervien.

How long does it take for intervention to become occupation?

Why are the TC's and the TRNC constantly being punished for Turkeys action?



As an expat who has always been in favour of the Cypriot people finding a solution to the Cy problem, if Turkey does declare the TRNC as a Turkish state , i will be gone, simple as that.

I came to live in Cyprus with Cypriots. If i wanted to live in Turkey i could have brought a property there for half the price.

I also believe that the Roc will close the door if or should i say when this happens.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
03/08/2011 15:31

.."Why are the TC's and the TRNC constantly being punished for Turkeys action?..



Firestarter, you would have to speak to the people who are punishing the TRNC, I would suggest you start with your good friends in the South ?

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
04/08/2011 11:09

msg 64, no one is disputing the rights of R.O.Turkey, but what has Turkey done since 1974 to help rebuild or to help with the negations to resolve the problem.Yes ok they are giving money and lots of it each year to TRNC to improve itself, but then taking it back 100 times more, or when TC’s start protesting what happens, we become the ungrateful people as Mr Erdogan quoted back in April. Ask any mainlander who does TRNC belong to and the answer is the same each time US (R.O.T) When i try and explain to Mainlanders that just because we are speaking Turkish does not make us a Turk, We are Cypriots but their thick uneducated heads can not understand the difference between Language and Nationality, and Mr Erdogan is no different to the thick head mainlanders in this country.

We TC’s are just stuck in a middle of a dispute between EU – ROC and Turkey, We are just a pawn for Turkey to use when it needs.

We have an elected Government but every time there is a dispute and the TC’s protest

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
04/08/2011 11:15

Many thousands of Turks relocated to Cyprus after 74, are they Turkish or Cypriot?

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
04/08/2011 11:56

Roomy,

my sisters ex is one of those people. He came here as a small child. If you ask him that question he will tell you he is Turkish. He has a kimlik but also has a Turkish passport.



Turtle,

my friends in the south don't want to punish the TC's they see them as Cypriots. Its the mainlanders they want gone. That for me brings a lot of problems when some mainlanders have been here most of their lives. The Annan had a figure they were happy with, but the TRNC has now far exceeded that number. Who knows what will happen, only time will tell.?



I like to think of my Cypriot friends as Cypriot first then Turkish or Greek speaking after that. Its a bit like the question are you Turkish Cypriot or a Turk of Cyprus.?