t/c emotions run high

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 19:34

turkish emotions have been stirred ,ali musa has been laid to rest and been reunited with his family at long last .

he was murdered by greek cypriots in 1964 and buried in a ditch on his way home from work.

turkish cypriots have called it an act of barbarism,it has once again bought forward feelings of distrust.

the family thanked the turkish army for making it possiable for his bones to be returned.

musin

long live the kktc

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 19:52

My late fathers best friend who he fought beside during the second world war against the Nazis to create a better and free Europe was murdered by an Eoka terrorist who in the name of Greek nationalism put a bullet in his head because he wore a British army uniform as a peace keeper. My father never did understand the senselessness of it all after they had been through so much and i dont beleive he ever found any sense of closure.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 20:01

karakum

as long as the bodies of turkish cypriots are been bought to light ,can there be closure ,personally i hope so, but really can,t see it



musin

long live the kktc

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 20:48

The father of one of my ex-colleagues was a teacher here during the period leading up to 1974 He was being taken by British Army Land rover to a teaching post...for Rauf Denktaş.



It was the middle of summer and the front windscreen of the vehicle was folded flat across the bonnet ... as they drove along the teacher noticed that his shoelace was undone so he bent down to tie it up.



All of a sudden the vehicle careered all over the road and ran to a halt in a ditch..



When the teacher was able to regain his position he found both the driver and his companion in the back had been decapitated by a wire stretched across the road.... Two British Army men killed by the most cowardly of terrorist acts...

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 21:05

I think the speach by Kutlay Erk at the funeral of his father after 44 years sums it all up. http://trncvillaowners.phpbb3now.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3334&p=21498&hilit=Kutlay+Erk#p21498



We must not forget the past but we must look forward and do our best to achieve a long lasting peace on this beautiful island. I am one of those who is very pessimistic about the outcome of the current talks but we must try all thge same.

ismet

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 21:10

Ismet,



If there are lessons to be learnt and compromises to be made, I can think of no better starting point than this speech!



wyn

Turbo


Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 833

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 21:43

Is the same person referred to as Sehit ALi Zorba including foto in the Vefatlar (Obituaries) in Kibris paper?

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 22:56

musin: "as long as the bodies of turkish cypriots are been bought to light ,can there be closure ,personally i hope so, but really can,t see it"



The only problem with ultra-nationalist rhetoric like yours is that it comes from someone who has lived in London for more than 50 years and is clearly out of touch with the views of Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus. Teams of Greek and Turkish Cypriots have been working together for years to bring closure to greiving relatives of the missing from both communities. Comments like yours make a mockery of the work of these good Cypriots who, unlike you, believe in partnership. Stick to London politics - it's safer ground for you. On the other hand, if you know as little about UK politics as you do about Cyprus politics, best left well alone.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 22:58

Groucho msg 4,



I'd be interested in researching the incident you described as I was unaware of murderous hostilities against British forces in Cyprus in the 1970s. Any references or even a name of a casualty? I'd imagine it was well publicised at the time.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
09/11/2008

what motivates you pike ,is it revenge

you bore people with the same old crap time after time ,why not post when you have something different to add .



bad mouthing turks behind your keyboard is easy ,but not many people take you seriously.

i really do upset you don,t i ,revenge is sweet if you get it ,but it can usher to psychosis and that leads you to thinking your someone you are not when you don,t procure it.



super hero



musin

long live the kktc

daveb


Joined: 06/11/2008
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 01:02

musn m

from what i have been following i reckon his scared of you.

and you seem to be in the know about cyprus and the fact that you are turkish.



daveb

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 09:04

hi to all of you i think on this day of rememberance we offer a prayer for all the men and women from all the countries who so bravely gave thier lives, here ireland iraq, iran afganistan, vietnman etc just please dont argue amongst yourselves today just give 2 minutes silence. LEAST WE FORGET remember they did it so we could have a future. lilli

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 11:47

musin: 2..."but it can usher to psychosis and that leads you to thinking your someone you are not when you don,t procure it."



Hmm...Pretty much like Londralis like you not realising Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus treat them and their views with contempt.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 17:18

friends of ours had relatives remains found this year.

my sympathies are with the families of these people.

musin,

since living in the village where you have friends and relatives i have been told many stories about the war.

no secrets in a village so to speak.

please don't tell the world that the turkish cypriots were whiter than white because truthfully that has never been the case.

war is war , s--t happens.

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 17:55

War criminals are just that and should be sheltered by NEITHER SIDE





Not 1 person has been brought TO justice IN CYPRUS for their CRIMES..



LET BOTH SIDES BEGIN TO HEAL WITHOUT JUSTICE THEIR CAN BE NO LASTING PEACE..

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 18:07

good words nige and on this day of rememberamce 90 years on still wars please god let the healing begin. take care lilli

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 18:26

PtePike



Are you aware of the murderous hostilities of Eoka against British forces and their families in Cyprus in the 1960s.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 18:32

lovingcyprus

i met an old guy in the uk who served here at that time.

what he was telling us is that the british were targeted by both the tc's and the gc's.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 18:37

lovingcyprus

He knows about it but he will not admit to knowing about it. But there again we might be surprised (but I dont think so).

AJ

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 18:46

lovingcyprus

Oh and by the way he will probably ask you for documentary evidence so just tell him to s*d off and do his own research.



John you are becoming so biased and so lazy. Get a grip on yourself man. Maybe it is these new hobbies you have taken up that are distracting you.

Will have to have a word with your paymasters. Spoken to MM lately? I think he is now out of favour and may not be getting his pension because he did not come up to scratch. Be careful.

AJ

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 18:47

nige

how do you determin a war criminal?

was it someone who commited a crime during a war?

a soldier who commited a crime in the line of duty, under orders?

the powers above that gave the orders?

the politicans who turned the other cheek to let it happen?

it is a very compex issue.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 19:55

firestarter msg 14

where have you seen this "telling the world turks are whiter than white" as you state ,what i continiously say is ,which you seem to miss all the time is the greeks are not whiter than white ,which some of you seem to think they are ,thankfully you are in a minorty.

musin

long live the kktc

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 20:12

suzanne

why don,t you then.



musin

long live the kktc

Superscousers


Joined: 25/10/2008
Posts: 71

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 20:38

A war criminal is someone Like the butcher Grivas this mad sycopath who butchered and kiled both T/Cs and G/Cs up to and including 1960. 95 british service men were killed by this mans EOKA terroist group , But as politics are neither he nor Makarious were brought to justice. Both these men were war Criminals !

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 20:42

how do you determin a war criminal? ( geneva convention is quite clear )



was it someone who commited a crime during a war? ( yes)



a soldier who commited a crime in the line of duty, under orders? ( under orders is no excuse see geneva convention )



the powers above that gave the orders? ( you have a concience follow it)



the politicans who turned the other cheek to let it happen? ( politicans shoud be on the front line )



it is a very compex issue. ( really is quite simple)

Aussie


Joined: 17/06/2007
Posts: 657

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 20:51

One mans Ghandi is another mans Hitler which I think applies to Makarios etc in spades.



Aussie

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 21:06

Aussie,

You can say that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter but you should never compare Ghandi with Hitler, totally different characters. Ghandi tried to achieve freedom by peaceful means whereas Hitler tried toa chieve domination of the world by force, violence and genocide.

ismet

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 21:07

suzanne msg26



i,ll remind you next time you bad mouth the turkish ,you can,t have it both ways, i know thats how you greeks want it ,but times have changed .





musin

long live the kktc

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 22:27

lovingcyprus: "Are you aware of the murderous hostilities of Eoka against British forces and their families in Cyprus in the 1960s."



I'd take you seriously if you knew even the basics of Cyprus history. The EOKA campaign was in the 1950s. Cyprus became independent in 1960. As has been suggested elsewhere, perhaps you should adopt observer status on the forum and only start posting once you've learned enough to avoid making a fool of yourself in front of people who know more than you.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 22:30

Time for a personality transplant?

daveb


Joined: 06/11/2008
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 23:02

pte pike





i joined this forum to learn more about the trnc ,but at every opportunity you get you slag off the turks ,for a little guy you got a big mouth ,give it a rest .



daveb

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 23:23

Daveb,



You write in a surprisingly similar way to Musin, sparrer. ;-)

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 23:31

PtePike



My post no.18 should indeed have said the 1950's and not the 1960's I do know all the history I guess that I know a lot more about the history of Cyprus than you ever will.



AND I would say that you are the fool!!!!!!!!!!!! as you always demonstrate on this forum.



Were you in Cyprus during the conflict and I don't mean 1974, I guess your answer is NO

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 23:35

What a joke eh.....people going on about Rememberance day and then being nasty to users of this forum.



So much for moderators.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 23:38

msg 35



you write surprisingly similar way to musin.sparrer



ok



you write like someone who doesn,t have a home in the kktc,come on you will feel better campbell ,come clean



musin

long live the kktc

Aussie


Joined: 17/06/2007
Posts: 657

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 00:45

Ismet



Sorry



I didn't mean to compared Ghandi to Hitler just that some figure are represented as a peaceloving agent of change with considerable moral courage like Ghandi but in reality are more like Hitler (i.e. a wolf in sheeps clothing, remember the Neville Chamberlane peace in our time quote after the Munich Agreement in 1938 ). Of course the Ghandi approach not only saved innocent loves but was also more effective.



Aussie

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 17:40

musin: 2...you write like someone who doesn,t have a home in the kktc,come on you will feel better campbell ,come clean...2



Dead right I don't have a house in the KKTC. My place is in Kyrenia, Cyprus.

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 17:53

Pte Pike



i KNOW YOU ARE A VERY KNOWLEGEABLE chap in the interests of air play and justice would you please be so kind to show 10 things g/cs HAVE DONE THAT RUN IN THE FACE OF FAIR PLAY AND HUMAN RIGHTS ??

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 19:27

Nige,



Do you mean recently or historically?

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 19:37

Pte Pike a general comment to most of yours, you are an arrogant, ill educated , patronising pratt on the history of cyprus and you would do well to educate yourself!!

Rogerdoger


Joined: 04/09/2008
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 19:47

pikey,



I'm sure you just come on this fourm to piss people off. if you have nothing good to say ,then say nothing, because you are a shit stirer, and you know it

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 19:58

Pike,



I said the period running up to 1974.... to differentiate it from the subsequent period when no such atrocity could be carried out thanks to the presence of the Turkish peacekeeping forces.... so you have anywhere from 1954 to 1974...



I know what I was told and by whom...



If you want to investigate it go ahead... I'm not your manservant...



I'll give you a start... the Teacher's name was King...

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 20:40

msg 40

pike: dead right i don,t have a house in the kktc .my place is in kyrenia,cyprus.



sorry mate you might fool these people ,but we both know the truth don,t we



you don,t own anything in the kktc or kyrenia,YOU ARE A FAKE mr thomas .



pre 74 title ,time for the truth don,t you think ,stop telling people lies.



musin

long live the kktc

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 20:56

Izzet,



A short while ago you sent me a message off line asking me not to get involved in slanging matches with a certain individual on this board. I assured you this would not happen anymore and I have kept to my promise. you also advised when asked, this person has also been told about their behaviour a well.



No change in this persons behaviour in trying to belittle people, snide comments and the baiting of people that are worried about investments etc in the TRNC has been forthcoming and would in my opinion be short lived.



How about practising what you preach and issue a final warning, which if not heeded then take the person off.



Its easy to say do not read the thread, but he pops up on other ones that you read and goes off thread to be rude to people, never knowingly wrong in any of the bile he spouts. It is easy to see that the vast majority of reply's to him start with his name. Which says it all.



A lovely evening to all respectful users.



tiggy.

iceman


Joined: 15/08/2008
Posts: 724

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 20:58

Musin

re msg.47

As a TC who has met PtePike in person,i can vouch he does own a house in Kyrenia which is pre 74 Turkish title.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 21:03

then ice why is he so bitter and twisted

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 21:21

ICEMAN

look again this time more carefully.



demek bu adam devamli turkleri dusurur ,seni bozmaz ,beni bozar mustafa beyi.

hepimiz de ayni deyilik



musin

long live the kktc

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 22:01

Musim,



Message 6.............. Open Message to Izzet.



Time to go to work, my friend, if you wish to understand the real problem!



wyn

Kapparis Kid


Joined: 03/09/2008
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
11/11/2008 00:58

Hey Pikes I ave not ad a warnin yet!



Plese remoeves me frum da forum Mr Izzet as iham a fake.



sorries if i ave offens ane bods...i was jus avin a lickle fun.



I luv to be 23 and loookin four a man that wares little boys naval uneforms



& jus as me spelin wus gettin betters i gets da boot !!!



XXXX

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
11/11/2008 01:03

Ovaltine time, Tiggy. Enough already.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
11/11/2008 12:25

Groucho,



The incident you refer to clearly happened in the 1950s EOKA days, which was a struggle between Greek Cypriots and the British administration in Cyprus. It's ludicrous to link this with the Turkish invasion of 1974.

ronaldo


Joined: 14/11/2007
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
11/11/2008 14:17

Pike try eoka B and the greek national guard who destroyed the presidential palace er what year was that.? General Bonanas

ronaldo

ronaldo


Joined: 14/11/2007
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
11/11/2008 14:38

A few things the gcs have done for the tcs since the borders opened.







1, freedom to work on the south.



2,cypriot passports (eu)passports



3,free medical services + prescriptions



4,free schooling, even in the private sector



5,allowed to recalaim there homes



6, allowed to sell there homes after one yr.



7, new cypriot ID cards



8,allowed any of the benefits that cypriots are entitled to, ie child benefit.



9,social insurance paid towards a goverment pension.



suzanne once again you let yourself down in your posting as you say What Have the G/cs given to the T/cs ?.if your mindset was right you would expect that all peoples of cyprus would be treated equally . not one side who think they are superior giving out handouts as you see it! and not try to use the propaganda the Greeks want the world to believe! As they have done all through history the Greek people not Cypriots see the Tcs as inferior PLEASE see the error of your ways treat people equaly

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
11/11/2008 16:30

ronaldo

i think what suzanne was trying to say was that these things were avaiable to both gc's and tc's.

it is up to the tc's personnal choice as to if they take advantage of them or not.

they are available for all cypriots.

where as the trnc has offered the gc community very little.

ronaldo


Joined: 14/11/2007
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
11/11/2008 20:00

Firestarter what! should theT/Cs offer the G/Cs? after 34 years of isolation.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
11/11/2008 20:04

please eric / pike, if you have this amount of bad feeling towards turkish cyps, why did you buy here??????????????????????

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
11/11/2008 20:19

Pike,



"Groucho,

The incident you refer to clearly happened in the 1950s EOKA days, which was a struggle between Greek Cypriots and the British administration in Cyprus. It's ludicrous to link this with the Turkish invasion of 1974. "



I never made this link you did.... The title of this thread is "T/C emotions run high"...and it's specifically about a murder victim from 1964...



It does not say anything about the Turkish intervention... only about the ill-treament of human beings by GCs.... which was happening all the time up to 1974...



It is you who incorrectly made reference to the Intervention of 1974.... I merely said in the period leading uo to 1974....



For balance I have to state that it is a matter of record that violence occurred on both sides... albeit started by GCs and the TCs did not start murdering their own over some difference of EONOSIS ideology or British Militiary Personnel in whom the TCs had put some level of trust to do the right thing by them....

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
11/11/2008 20:34

ronaldo: "Pike try eoka B and the greek national guard who destroyed the presidential palace er what year was that.? General Bonanas ronaldo"



Yes, and the clowns never secured the rear so the Archbish escaped out the back garden. I know all that. But in 1974 the GCs were NOT fighting the Brits. Pay attention at the back.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
11/11/2008 20:38

Groucho,



Let's stick to what you said which was "...leading up to 1974..."

If you are now saying the incident was 10 years earlier, it was hardly leading up to the invasion year, was it? Are you aware of the political situation from 1968, for example? It was just misleading, what you said. No biggie, though.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
11/11/2008 20:50

Groucho: "the TCs did not start murdering their own over some difference of EONOSIS ideology."



Did nobody tell you about what TMT did to errant TCs?



London April 12 2008: Cypriots for Cyprus (C4C) commemorates the lives of two Cypriot heroes, Dervis Ali Kavazoglu and Kostas Mishiaoulis who gave their lives in the struggle for the unity of Cyprus.



The two trade unionists campaigned tirelessly for friendship and cooperation between the people of Cyprus and opposed the policies of both Enosis (union with Greece) and Taksim (partition of Cyprus).



Dervis and Kostas were assassinated by the paramilitary group TMT on 11 April 1964. They worked together and they died together."These two brave men made the ultimate sacrifice for the cause of freedom.



"Their dream of a common Cypriot homeland however lives on. C4C salutes them and calls on all Cypriots of goodwill and their friends to ensure their dream is realised," said C4C co founder Alkan Chaglar.



http://cozop.com

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
11/11/2008 23:30

Greek Cypriots in general treat Turkish Cypriots as inferior. Its a fact of life and have seen it many times with my own eyes.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
12/11/2008 00:13

msg 67,



Do you project yourself as or do you think others consider you to be a reliable witness?

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
12/11/2008 12:29

ronaldo re post 60

i see where you are coming from.

i'm not convinced that it has only been the gc's that have isolated the trnc.

i think the attitude of previous goverments here haven't helped.

along with trnc relations with other countries.

breezyboy


Joined: 14/05/2007
Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
12/11/2008 14:16

Msg 67



Not long ago I went to a local restaurant at the invitation of the owner who I know well. The evening was a ..wait for it.... GREEK EVENING.

Many freinds of the owner came from the south. Many locals from the village attended as well as quite a few English people. We had a great evening with a greek duo and greek dncing. This was what happens in one place. I cannot beleive it is an isolated incident.

Everybody stop being so negative . The past is the past. MOVE ON. Be positive.

It rubs off on others and hopefully does not get affected by borders or green lines. tell others to be positive. The problems of the division of the island have got to sort themselves out and will only do so with positive thinking.

Newcomers to the island should help this process and leave the negativity behind.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
12/11/2008 19:59

Antis Taverna on Kajagoogoo beach is another place where this happens. Great place. Have you been yet, Suz?

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
12/11/2008 20:10

Pike,



How big is your sample? er two!



You are very keen to poo-poo others for having too small a number to be valid....



Tell us how many GCs the Eoka A/B butchered.... please.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
12/11/2008 20:14

It's on the shore at Ayios Yioryios (aka Karaoglanoglu) west of Kyrenia. It's usually Friday nights from about 8pm and you get full kebab, raki etc brought to your table just before the act comes on. It's usually a Turkish vocalist on keyboard synth who will serenade the tables then you have belly dancing followed by dancing for everyone. Whole TC families turn up and sometimes they'll bring GC friends who join in the fun. It's a real traditional 100% authentic Cypriot place and you'd feel at home there. And it's local prices, no rip-offs.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
12/11/2008 20:15

Suz, msg 75 was for you.

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
12/11/2008 20:30

Groucho,



It's not a sample submitted by some struggling undergrad. It's a real incident that happened but is hushed up in the TRNC. A Turkish Cypriot and his Greek Cypriot friend were murdered by TC death squad because they both wanted Cypriots to unite. Isn't that enough to warrant their commemoration, or does it make you feel uncomfortable?

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
12/11/2008 22:23

It's still two.... yes very sad and very wrong but.....



How many GCs were murdered by their own side?