Erdogan’s planned facelift for the north

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 19:32

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprob/erdogan-s-planned-facelift-north/20110802





TURKISH PRIME Minister Tayyip Erdogan has promised structural changes and major projects to boost the north’s economy in an address to the nation.



In a televised address on Saturday, Erdogan discussed the new Turkish constitution, the economy, terrorism and the Cyprus problem.



The PM said Turkey would continue to stand by the breakaway state in the north as it has always done, focusing on sustainable and structural economic changes.



The speech was widely reported in the Turkish Cypriot press, with Africa’s lead noting that Erdogan planned a ‘face transplant’ for the north.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 19:33

According to reports, Erdogan said: “We have very important projects for north Cyprus and they will change the face of the country. I would like to mention once again that Turkey will neither allow efforts targeting the TRNC nor will it negotiate with the EU or any other party on the Cyprus issue.”



He blamed the Greek Cypriot leadership for the lack of progress in the talks, saying: “I made very sincere and fruitful contacts with the TRNC authorities during my visit and I think the Turkish Cypriot side is making sincere efforts at the negotiations to reach a bi-communal, bi-zonal federal solution in the context agreed before. This was proved at the Geneva summit once more but the Greek Cypriot side is not responding positively to the Turkish Cypriot side’s stance.”

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 19:33

Erdogan has made it clear he will not wait forever for a Cyprus solution, setting July 2012 when Cyprus takes over the EU Presidency as an informal deadline. He has promised economic development for the north, and set about implementing an unpopular austerity package to curb ‘public’ spending in the north as well as privatisation of airlines and universities.



The authorities in the north have also announced new measures to issue ‘green’ and ‘white’ papers for the thousands of mainly Turkish people living and working in the north without citizenship. It is believed this will further skewer the already tilting balance between Turkish nationals and Turkish Cypriots residing in the north.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 19:34

Ahead of his visit to the occupied areas on July 19 and 20 to mark the 37th anniversary of the Turkish invasion, Erdogan whipped up a storm saying Turkey-EU relations would freeze should Cyprus be allowed to take over the Council of the EU next July. He also made direct references to the details of a possible solution plan, saying Greek Cypriots can forget about the Annan plan. He said they should not expect to get occupied Morphou back nor any unilateral moves on the fenced off town of Famagusta, for which UN resolutions exist calling for its return.



On his arrival, posters of Erdogan were put up throughout the north, while a protest against his arrival by pro-peace activists and unionists was violently quashed by Turkish Cypriot police.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 19:34

During his stay, Erdogan congratulated Turkish Cypriots for voting ‘yes’ in the Annan plan, despite the fact the current Turkish Cypriot leadership under Dervis Eroglu was vehemently against the UN-backed plan in 2004.



The Turkish Cypriot authorities have announced a number of measures to upgrade Morphou’s infrastructure and attract investment. Morphou has always been considered a given regarding any territorial exchanges as part of a solution and its non-return a deal breaker.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 19:35

Turkish Cypriot paper the Star ran an article after the PM’s visit saying: “Erdogan gave life to Morphou”. The paper reported that current residents of Morphou found Erdogan’s statements “encouraging”, adding that they opened the way to investment without fear.

hetty


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 19:47

Well well well, I think I may need to wait and see what the outcome of all of this is, will the GC's close the borders, I would think yes they would, they are a bitter, angry, hateful race of people who are determined to keep the TC's as 'prisoners' to the outside world, hoping one day to complete the genocide they started back in the 60's.



Erdogan needs to keep to his word and free the TC's, what this would mean for the expats is anyones guess.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 19:56

hetty. the ex-pats are not in his thoughts.

hetty


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 20:03

No 1, I am sure they are not however, if the borders are closed it will have a devastating effect on those who shop in the South, and I think there are a lot of expats that do just that, it is cheaper and there is more choice, also it will effect property prices and the big investors will no longer be attracted to the North, having said all of that I do think it is time Erdogan did something positive.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 20:07

What about the T/Cs who cross for work and healthcare?



and the ex-pats that use airports on the south side?

hetty


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 20:08

Exactly phil, what about these people, and the reverse, what will the GC's do to satisfy their gambling and girls habit!

hetty


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 20:11

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erolz


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 20:15

This talk of the border closing is just nonsense. Firstly the border was opened from North to South because of a ECHR ruling against Turkey. None of what Erdogan is talking about changes that or the ruling or its validy or Turkey having to comply with it. Nor could the RoC close the border without backlash from the EU AND without tacitly accepting and promoting permanent partition as a solution and thus increasing massively the chance of international recognition of the TRNC, something they are not ready to even contemplate politicaly right now.



There really is little new in what erdogan is saying. He is talking tough but he is not changing any of the parameters of the status quo as it exists now and has done since 1974. So all this hysterics about 'the border will close, no RoC passports for TC etc etc, is just that. Uninformed hysteria in my opinion.

hetty


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 20:18

Yes Erolz you are quite right, but when did the GC's take notice of the EU? The GC's could and imo would close the borders, but I love being proven wrong.

hetty


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 20:46

Erolz are you a TC?

CJtill


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 20:59

This is all about timing.....

I assume Turkey cant just take over willy nilly, and the TCs should have a voice regarding their future in the form of a referendum.

Now lies the problem

In order to accept the Turkey route they will need to reject the EU route first (again through a referendum), which means some sort of agreement between the GCs and the TCs being cobbled together which they can vote on.

If they vote no, then will the TCs really want to become part of the mainland, considering the way they look down on the inhabitants of mainland Turkey ?.........this is a real minefield, and I can see a disaster in the making.

Michael

hetty


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 21:01

So can I Michael, I am keeping an eye on this for my own peace of mind as I am thinking of buying next year.

erolz


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 21:04

Hetty my father was TC and my mother is English. I was born in the UK and lived there for first 40 ish years of my life. I now live in the TRNC am a TRNC citizen by birth right (as well as a RoC one) and have been living here for over 8 years now.

erolz


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 21:07

CJtill - No one is taking about 'annexation' or 'union' of the North of Cyprus with Turkey. Not Erdogan or anyone else in any political position. There is simply no way for such to happen any time soon without massive political and legal ramifcations.

hetty


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 21:12

TY Erolz for answering, however it could happen as I don't think Erdogan cares anymore about the ramifications.

Deniz1


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 21:14

Oh i am so sorry for the poor expats that wont be able to

hetty


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 22:58

Msg 21, won't be able to, to what?

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 23:07

msg 10;

Who cares as long as Brits get their 'title deeds' without the worry of being taken to court for illegal accupancy!

Blackpoolfan


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 00:02

Message 23



You really are bitter you give your nation a bad name, thankfully you are a minority Give it a rest



Very Sad!!!!

philbailey


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 00:08

How do you know msg23 is in the minority ?

Deniz1


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 08:54

Re msg 22 sorry my keyboard froze. I was going to say there was a comment about the poor expats who wont be able to go shopping aahh! I agree there is more choice but you pay throught the nose for it everything is so expensive. But the point is there are far more serious matters to consider not just silly shopping.

hetty


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 09:15

Deniz I agree and I have covered those as well, in defence of my post regarding shopping, that seems to be the most important thing for a lot of posters. Important topics on this forum largely go by the wayside, could it be that some posters don't understand the importance of all of this or maybe a little mentally challenged.

brother



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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 09:49

I find it difficult to side with opinion that some messages here present "a bad name for their nation". Disregarding the direct way in which such perspectives are offered into this forum I can see - understandably - that there is an increase of focus on potential impact on property titles whenever topics like this arise.

Therefore I allow more latitude and understand that some English speakers may not be able to provide the "decorative" English when expressing their views on the matter ;-)

It is worth considering however that a TC's perspective will probably be different to that of any ex pat when considering the implications of any political statement about NC.

IbrahimAbi


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 10:02

msg 26 I have been trying to tell my wife that for years

negativenick


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 10:04

mess 1 - more likely hood of garry monger's missus going on a diet........



lets face it - the gov't couldn't be arsed to water the palm trees that were planted a few years back...



Like so many here - they're all talk.........

hetty


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 10:30

NN I think there is some truth in what you say, whatever Erdogan does, will the councils keep it up together.

blade


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 12:03

Hetty,

In another post your are asking about bring your car to Cyprus via the south.

What ship it into those GC hateful people? Your words not mine!

Sundance


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 13:29

Yorgozlu, Msg 23 Have you got a british passport? If so, are you not also not a Brit ??.



Sundance

hetty


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 14:11

Blade I only wanted to use it for approx 4 months and didn't want to have to register it in the North as it wouldn't be staying.

blade


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 14:42

Then why not bring it into the north? After all you hate the GC';s so much.

Were you not considering living in the south?

hetty


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 14:50

No I wasn't. If I may say I don't hate the GC's, I said they are hateful and they are towards the TC's, I have holidayed in the South and listened to the lies and propoganda bandied about. I don't care for their actions in relation to the Cyprus problem, they are clearly doing nothing to resolve the problem, they voted against the Annan Plan and have vetoed everything and anything they can to keep the TC's down. They do not want reunification or at least that is the perspective I glean from their actions.

blade


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 15:35

Wow so on holiday you heard a few bad things , so you decided to repeat them. How do you know if they were truth or lies? Were you here during the war? Before the war? Or is it the only two week visit you ever made?

Then you give advice on who you think is doing what for a solution.

Go and do some learning, you came here for a holiday you were a tourist you know nothing.

Many TC's and GC's work, socialise together and are friends.



After a two week holiday you can solve the Cy problem, lol. I am sure the UN could do with giving you a job.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 16:08

Hetty



You need to meet some TCs ( ErolZ) who are a bit more realistic about the CY problem..



As to WHY the GCs voted no to Annan.. to a plan than they SHOULD have voted yes to - and many relaise that, now..



1/ They had been dealing with Denktash' intransigence for nearly 40 years - 30 years as 'TRNC' and didnt appreciate that TCs were prepared to try again...without him.. The posters in the 'south' simply show HIS face..



2/ talking about closing 'borders' is SO daft on any level..

a) Turkey has had to open the crossing points because a TC took him to court ( European Court of Human Rights ) and won



b) 'rump' RoC maintain there is no border !

hetty


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 17:01

Blade I have been holidaying in both the North and South for approx 15 years, slightly longer than 2 weeks and I have many friends in the South, I chose the North as it is certainly more picturesque, please don't lecture me, you do not know me or anything about me. I lived in Pafos for over 4 years so I am fully aware of the situation.



What I find odd is you live in the North but clearly prefer the views of the South, surely you must understand the strokes that were pulled on the vote for the Annan plan in 2004 were outrageous and at every opportunity since the GC's have blocked the North from prospering. The archbishop said he would rather use candles than accept electricity from the North just a few days ago.



Please do not tell me I know nothing, I probably know more than you

blade


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 17:02

M,

i am having this arguement with them and have taken the issue to the EU as a complaint. Pets can cross from south to north with the correct documents but cannot re enter the south.

The arguement is if we arrive to cross with EU pet passports, ( as you said its not a border) then why can we not cross.?

Still waiting for answers, but will dig in my heals on this one. If you have a pet passport you can enter any other EU country with it, other than the Roc coming from the crossing, which as you rightly point out is not a border. My argument is as an EU citizen i should be allowed free movement.

I won't be holding my breath waiting for a reply, cos as yet within a month nobody has wanted to tell me why i can't,lol.

hetty


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 17:05

I did not intend to get into an argument over the North or South, frankly it is up to the Cypriots to sort it out and not for ANYONE else, we are however entitled to our opinons.

hetty


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 17:10

I think some of the posters on this forum are very aggressive, there should be a health warning in the rules when joining.

blade


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 20:06

Hetty,

Just go back and live in Paphos.

As for me i will live anywhere i choose and take any view i wish to. Don't lecture me on my views cos you know nothing about me. I have friends in all camps and don't take sides for your info.

I do find people like yourself very offensive when you come here and spout rubbish, which is second hand about how bad the Greek Cypriots are. I have many GC friends and GC's can also be members here on this forum.

Any kind of racist is not welcome in my book. Go away and think about it.

hetty


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 20:31

blade excuse me honey but you attacked me first, if you cannot take the heat., finish the saying yourself.

Turtle


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 21:55

hetty,. be careful if you disagree with firestarter you are automatically labeled a "racist"

hetty


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Message Posted:
04/08/2011 08:36

Turtle, a warning to heed .

blade


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Message Posted:
04/08/2011 10:20

Turtle,

Its not an automatic label, i just don't see why people have to spout hatred? Especially when they are doing it from elsewhere and don't live here. In my book it just adds fuel to the fire over they Cy problem.

Turtle


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Message Posted:
04/08/2011 15:20

So who is spouting hatred on this topic ?



People have opinions that differ from yours,........ accept it.

bigOz


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Message Posted:
04/08/2011 15:31

Funny that the topic refers to "prosperity of TRNC" and not to "TCs" - just think!

TRNC's make up has already changed with more mosques than schools becoming available, and the schools of religious studies being on the increase! Add to that, the recent demand that the Teacher Training Academy should be closed (and hence, from now on all the teaching posts can be given to more employees imported from Turkey!) etc. I think you will find the average TC understands perfectly well what really lies in Erdoğan's head.

When he starts talking about the prosperity and the well being of the TCs rather than TRNC, I might even start to support his policies