Is Ali Safa next?.......................

yenibob


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 18:56

Following the extradition of Gary Robb to the republic for building on previously GC owned land, is Ali Osman Safa not the next obvious candidate for an early morning knock on the door when he is in the UK?

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 19:03

I don't think they will be interested in show trial with a TC in the dock, Mr Robb makes the perfect target. His trial will run and run as long as they make it last.

yenibob


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 19:05

Hi Cap'n, tend to agree, but it would be fun to start a campaign to get rid of AOS. Come on people lets get shut of this...........................t

Stonehousepub


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 19:09

Ali Ozmen Safa....



Getting his name right would be a good start...



What has he done ?

yenibob


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 19:27

OOOOOOOOOOOH Get her,



Same as GJR I would think, What do you reckon?

delikomsu



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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 19:33

I don't really care how his name is spelt. Let's just start with the blot on the landscape at Hilltop, one massive crane that's been there for years and an unfinished mausoleum of a 'hotel'. Much more I am sure.........

yenibob


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 19:38

Too true....Drive pat everytome I come down from the Karpas. His "buyers" have lots of good words for him (none printable of course). Lets get him to the South, and then we cxan look deeper into Medview etc.

yenibob


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 19:41

Who unplugged my keyboard?



Pat = Past



Everytime = Everytime



Canx = Can

Stonehousepub


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 19:47

I'm just suprised to see his name in bad light... Did'nt know that he was scamming.



He is at the offices most of the time and at Akpinar most evenings so not a hard person to find, just go and deal with it/him.

the butler


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 19:51

yenibob,





We have a Medview home built on "exchange land" apart from the fact we still haven't got our title deeds there is nothing wrong with the build quality. I agree that Mr Safa's foray into hotel building has been disastrous and the blot on the landscape at Hilltop is a disgrace, but he is not the only Turkish Cypriot builder to build on previously owned Greek Cypriot land is he? Or do you have a grudge against him?





The butlers wife

yenibob


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 20:05

No grudge, and you are completely right about other TC builders building on GC owned land, but how many of them have their main residence in the UK?

Stonehousepub


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 20:16

Since when do businessmen have to be a main resident of the country they do business in ???



AOS employs over a 1000 staff internationally, I really don't think you should be placing AOS on par with GR a criminal who has spent years on the run.



If you have an issue go and speak to him face to face or group up and protest outside Ada Tv !! Surely more effective than running a thread on cy44.

yenibob


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 20:23

StoneHouse, you are missing the point re his residence/office. It is this very location that puts him in reach of European Arrest Warrants. If he is a mate of yours, well I am sorry, but perhaps you should talk to the hundreds of people he has let down at SeaView and Skyline.



The offence GR is languishing in A GC Gaol for, is most certainly one committed by AOS as well.

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 20:23

Great post stonehouse.



Can you see them outside Ada TV



keyboard Assassination is far easier!

Stonehousepub


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 20:32

msg 13



So are you saying that an arrest warrant has been served against AOS ?



Why is he not arrested when he enters the UK once a fortnight ?



He is not a mate of mine but I do know him and I will almost certainly mention this to him

yenibob


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 20:36

It will happen. GR is the test case. Why should AOS be treated any differently? Same offence of building on GC land. He needs to be very careful in the UK and the rest of the EU.

Stonehousepub


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 20:45

Gary Robb was not snatched for building on GC land, he was a high profile criminal on the run !!



I do not understand what it is you are trying to say, almost everyone has built on GC land, so maybe we all need to becareful.

yenibob


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 20:50

You really do need to keep up re GR. He has been dealt with for his drug offences in the UK and was due for release. He is now incarcerated in the ROC for building on GC land (and on a smaller scale that AOS). These EAWs are a bugger.

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 20:59

Okay, lets substitute Akan Kursat for Mr Safa. co director of Aga Developments (yes yenibob I do have the paperwork with the offcial stamp on) an Advocate no less, a pillar of society and the law, oh and they already have an European Arrest warrant with his name on so we can save time, only one problem, I guess Mr Kursat won't be straying far outside the TRNC or Turkey at the present time. Shame. Slimey little toad.

yenibob


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 21:01

No problem with hanging out Kursat to dry, but as you say he is safe from EAW........However Ali....



Now go away and start your own thread.

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 21:07

sorry I did not realise you owned C44 - sorry sir - wont bother you again sir.... fat chance...............

yenibob


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 21:10

Very childish

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 21:27

Yep thanks

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 23:07

misunderstood



I don't think either Akan Kursat or Mark Unwin will be straying far outside the TRNC



As for Mr Safar, I have met him once he told me and I quote "Put your stake in the ground and build what you want" I found that quite frightening!



yenibob



These European Arrest Warrants will never stop, so sorry they are a bugger for you :-( I think both I and misunderstood can contribute to this thread!



And as I understand it Mr Robb has other charges to answer, not just building on Greek Land? or maybe you know different?

erolz


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 23:22

The whole European Arrest Warrant system is in a mess and under serious review is the simple reality. It may well be that the RoC finally decided to use such against Mr Robb exactly because the chance of being able to do so in the future is fast diminshing, that and the fact that his being in jail made execrising such a warrant possible. If you do not believe me just google 'european arrest warrant under review'. The system is broken, is not being usded for its orginal intended purpose, is being used inconsistently from country to country and almost certainly we be majhorly revised before to long.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 23:25

http://tinyurl.com/3kzg7e7



lower window.. click for the news in English ( or Turkish - if preferred) on the right



Gary Robb features at 4 minutes



Try and ignore the ex-Soviet-style delivery and observe how even a British lady drowning in a pool - 'obviously drunk' is 'news'

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 23:31

erolz (mess 25)



Cyprus as a whole is a mess! neither side can carry on disregarding human rights!

erolz


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 23:38

TRNCvicitim, you are juming around subjects here. You said the EAW will never stop. I am suggesting that acutaly the chances are that the whole EAW system as it exists today will no longer exists in a few years time. There is much evidence to support such a claim. The current system is widely regarded as 'broken'.



As to all of Cyprus being a mess and both sides disreagarding human rights, both sides are subject to the jurisdiction of the ECHR. Governments can delay the implemntation of ECHR rulings for a considerable time, just like the UK is over prisioner rights to vote, but no state can ignore such rulings indefinately, be it the UK, RoC or TRNC, as an 'agent' of Turkey. They are all bound by the same HR laws, ruled on by the same body, under the same duress for non compliance with this bodies rulings.

Bradus


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Message Posted:
04/08/2011 00:22

message 17 Gary Robb charges:



Katsounotos said the British national was suspected of conspiracy to commit felony and misdemeanour, illegal possession, distribution and use of property belonging to another person, in addition to obtaining money by false representations and other similar offences relating to illegal exploitation of Greek Cypriot properties located in northern Cyprus.

He added that these offences were committed during 2004 and 2005 at the occupied village of Klepini in Kyrenia district.



Nothing to do with drug dealing or charges from England.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
04/08/2011 01:25

re 25 ErolZ



*I* don' think the EAW system is a mess.. true some nations are using it for non serious crimes -



British liberal Sarah Ludford agreed, saying that the use of the EAW to investigate petty crimes provided a "favourite stick" for Eurosceptics to "beat the EU with".

Eniko Gyori, replying on behalf of the Council, insisted that the advantages of the EAW "by far" outweigh any disadvantages.

Ms Gyori told MEPs that it is ultimately up to member states to decide which offences they are going to launch proceedings for.

She said that although "some cases of minor importance" may have been pursued by some countries, it is not because of a flaw in the EAW itself.

"If there is a proportionality problem it is not created by the EAW instrument, but by the issuing state," she concluded.



taken from quotes on BBC Democracy Live Website



http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/europe/newsid_9503000/9503174.stm

erolz


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Message Posted:
04/08/2011 02:59

MM you may think that the EAW is not in a mess, along with Eniko Gyori, whos job it is, is to defend the current legislation. However many others DO think it is is in a mess and needs serious reform.



The EU comission itself has highlighted problems with the current system as recently as April this year. The argument within the EU is not about if there is a problem with the EAW system, but about who's fault it is and who should 'fix it', member states by not issuing EAW for minor offences or the EU by changing the legislation. Everyone pretty much accepts that how it is being used by some member states is a problem. If the RoC were to start using it on a large scale for politicaly motivated prosecutions of EU citizens for offences that are not illegal in their own countries, this will only add weight to the argument that central EU changes to the legislation are needed to fix the problems.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
04/08/2011 03:42

This is a test case

will he name co-partners

or just the buyers?

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
04/08/2011 07:25

He doesn't need to name his co partners philbailey, their identity is a matter of public record, a copy of which Pauline has published on NCFP on more than one occasion and a colleague who writes for Cyprus Mail regularly reads NCFP. I am sure he will have printed it off and given it to the appropriate authorities by now.

There has been an EAW out for Robb and two of his TC cohorts since 2005, now who was it one of them, oh yes Kurshit



As for the buyers, since some are using the US courts, their names are a matter of public record but since the properties were never actually transferred into their names, as with so many AGA buyers, it would be a pointless exercise by the RoC prosecution service.



They have who they want, I would consider it a bonus if they managed to nab Kurshit, but I am not holding my breath.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
04/08/2011 13:00

Will be interesting

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
04/08/2011 13:21

Deer ErolZ



re msg 31



Again, I think we agree that the concept of the EAW is good and that the problem is that certain states use it for VERY minor cases.



The mess is that there is no guidelines as to what is a case suitable for it to be used.

erolz


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Message Posted:
04/08/2011 15:17

The flaws with the system currently are primarily to do with it being used by some states for minor offenses but it is not the only problem with it. There are many other problems with it, legal and in how it is actualy being used. The legal problems center around it being in conflict with various states own consitutions and in some cases in conflict with ECHR charters and interpretations of such, leading to incosistentcies from country to country. The problems with how it is actualy being used generally stem from an implict assumption and trust that each member states judical systems are all equally fair and just, an assumption that is not always true in practice. Finally there is an issue of 'dual criminality' - namely its use re offenses in the requesting country that are not offenses in the country where the accused is extradited from. There are strong legal and moral arguments that 'dual criminality' should apply in any use of EAW, but this is not the case currently.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
04/08/2011 15:48

ERolZ, I must leave the office, but will return to this - one of my pet subjects..

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
04/08/2011 23:27

Ok, ErolZ



your response warrants a fuller reply.



As ever, we essentially agree that the EAW should be a good thing - and that some member states are abusing it.



I recall a case where two RoC citizens were wanted by the Inland Revenue in the UK but the RoC authorities state that their constitution forbade the extradition ..



I don't know what happened with that case, but I know the UK didn't mind sending Mr R Robb t'other way.



If someone is sent back and the trial isn't fair they have recourse to the ECHR and ECJ