Abandoned Dogs

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 08:11

Please can someone come up with a solution for these poor animals, we have two lovely dogs in our village, both abandoned, they howl at night because they just don't understand what has happened to them, I cannot take them in as I am already looking after one and feeding another and her 10 puppies.



This is a real problem and the authorities need to address the situation, I know Kar do a good job but why can't some of these sad dogs be humanely destroyed, they have no life whatsoever, they just roam around and either die or starvation or they get poisoned..so very sad.

Aslan


Joined: 23/06/2008
Posts: 757

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 08:51

Its the dead dog season, all these so called huntsmen who have had their gun dogs tied up for 10 months let them free to chase game birds and the dogs just keep running the freedom taking hold, alas they soon find themselves on the Girne - Lefkosa road and their freedom comes to a short and sad end.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 09:24

Aslan thanks for your reply, yes their freedom does end there but maybe that is the best thing for them in the long run. I just wish the owners of these sad creatures would treat them better, why have a dog chained up for 10 months, what is the point.



I love living here but the way the dogs are treated is making me very sad and it is the one thing that would see me go home again.

stellasstar1



Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 1519

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 10:17

I would suggest going to your local council office and complain about the dogs being loose on the road. I used to have our neighbours dog in our garden to give it some freedom from being tied up 24 hours a day. Unfortunately it got out a couple of times, and the council rang my partner to say if they saw it again chasing cars they would take it away. The guy who owned the dog moved away in the end and gave the dog to another couple, but the council will act if you complain to them about the dogs being a nuisance..

I agree that for some of them it surely would be better to be humanely destroyed. They look so thin, and sad, the local kids throw things at them, and the adults kick them, what life is that. I know what I would rather have.

lesleyd



Joined: 05/06/2007
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 12:03

If you contact someone at the kyrenia animal rescue they will have the dogs picked up they may end up in pens but they will get a meal each day plus maybe taken out for walks by some of the visitors. I know this really isn't the answer to the problem but this keeps happening year in year out so unless people are willing to start getting together to try to do something then it is never going to stop.

The butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 12:17

I don't think the Kyrenia animal rescue will help. Last year we had a dog turn up on my doorstep, which needed care. I took it up to Kar and they told me to take it up into the mountains and leave it there. I was absolutely horrified by their suggestion. I paid for vetinary treatment myself and eventually a very good friend found her a new home. She was a lovely dog and if I had lived full time in Cyprus would have kept her. Kars suggestion has cost them, as I will never give donations to them again.



The Butlers wife

nomad1977


Joined: 06/08/2008
Posts: 42

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 13:22

Hi Dee

I think there should be a humane way to end a dog's life.I am leaving the country in a short while and not returning to the UK so cannot take mine with me. I got a wonderful dog from Kar 3 years ago when I moved here for what I thought was a permanant thing. Now we have to relocate and cannot find anyone prepared to re-home our wonderful, loyal, obedient family loving dog. I cannot bear to abandon her or condem her to living at KAR who have advised me it would be condemming if they took her in which they say they can't anyway. In desperation I would gladly end her life humanely if I could as it would be the better of all the evils.

debdebs


Joined: 22/05/2008
Posts: 285

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 14:40

Talking of KAR, I went with my 2 kids on Saturday, we picked a chocolate brown and white terrier of 3 months old. We had to take her back today because living in an apartment it just didnt work, not enough room. If anyone out there is interested in giving this dog a home with a garden cause that is what she needs, you will get in return a very loving, obedient and fantastic with kids dog.

You could tell she didnt want to go back to KAR as she cried when I left her, it broke my heart to walk away.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 15:21

Their are some facts to take into account here.

First of all there are stray dogs (not owned) then there are dogs that are owned and allowed to roam freely.

If anyone complains to their local Belideye then the situation is that 1: they do not employ dog catchers. 2: there is a fair chance that poisoned meat will be laid in the area that the complaints have come from. Also livestock holders have problems with dogs attacking their animals.

3: Putting down of dogs is not an option out here due to shall we say religious beliefs (dont get me going on that one).

4: KAR are trying their hardest with a limited budget and despite what some people say anyone with any concerns about how KAR run their operation should spend a bit time working with them on a voluntary basis to understand the enormity of the situation.

Rant over.

AJ

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 16:50

Thanks to all for comments, I wish I could wave a magic wand, the authorities must act and I will be speaking to the village muktah, hopefully he will have some sway with the authorities.



Once again thank you everyone.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 17:14

deecyprus

Dont get me wrong, if you want get involved then be prepared for spending a lot of time to find out what is really going on. Unfortunately a lot of expats will complain but very few want to get involved in sorting the problem out. I tried to give some guidance on another board to a couple of expats on a discrete basis but there were certain people that decided for whatever reasons that the knowledge I had obtained from certain people in confidence should be publicized to everyone and anyone. That is not the way things work out here.

With respect to my previous posting read it and understand.

Good luck

AJ

mitsi


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 345

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 17:29

Most xpats have a lot of time on their hands and many do a lot to help KAR for the sake of the animals. However, there are many more who DO NOT! Therefore why don't we all devote 1 morning a week to getting up to the centre to walk some of these dogs. We could all afford a couple of hours between 9am and 1 pm to do our bit. Also please spend a few ytl on dog/cat food and take it up or donate to the supermarket begs every fortnight at Lemar's. If more of us pulled together maybe more of the locals would realise that they have a duty of care to their stray/abandoned animals. A big thankyou to all who help out now. We did a supermarket beg and were pleasantly surprised to see xpats and locals giving generously, Shame on all who just ignore the problems!

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 17:33

mitsi

More to the point, shame on all that complain and do not get involved.

AJ

sassycypgirl


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 99

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 17:47

AJ



I agree totally with your comments.

I like Dee live in Arapkoy and we have become a dumping ground for unwanted dogs like other areas too.



I do get involved and have taken dogs and pups up to Kar but I have to say they do not make it easy. We not only have two abandoned dogs, I myself have an abandoned dog and there are two dogs one with 10 pups and one with 7 pups here.



How much can just one area do?



There is no easy solution. You get these dogs sorted out and you turn around and there are another one two three and on it goes.



I do believe that people do not get involved for fear of ending up with a dog they dont want. In an ideal world everyone would do their bit to help.

A recent comment of if you do not feed them they will move on. That is not true they will stay and starve to death.



If anyone has any ideas or would consider giving a home to one of these dogs or puppies please get in touch with myself or Dee.



Sassy

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 17:54

Msg 6

Name the person at KAR who told you to dump the dog in the mountains.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 18:00

The thing is Sassy the majority of people that moan can not be bothered to get involved but the more that do get involved then it helps to sort out the problem.

Just think, look back through the history of this site and ask yourself of all the people that have complained how many have actually offered to help?

Good luck and keep up the good work.

AJ

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 18:04

Thanks Sassy, I know you know as I do the problem we have here in Arapkoy, the village has a bad reputation for the dumping of dogs, poison is put down and genuine dog lovers and owners have very tragically lost their beloved dogs this way.



I think we are the dumping ground because we are close to Kar and the furthest village east and because we are a very small village with easy entry and exit access, the ppl who dump dogs know they will not get caught!

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 18:13

Quarmby

Message 15

And what good will that do, are you an animal lover? do you get involved with KAR? What do you intend to do if you get a name from message 6? sack them, take them to court or are you just being spiteful. As I have said before do not criticize KAR until you have seen what they have to contend with. They are doing the best of a bad job and because of limitations they have to make decisions that everyone else would shy away from.

AJ





AJ

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 18:16

AJ so you work for Kar?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 18:19

You answer my question and I will answer yours

Fair enough?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 18:25

Sorry Dee

I mistook your reply for Quarmby's

I have worked on a voluntary basis doing DIY and do repair from home on stuff like fans etc and my wife works 2 days a week.

AJ

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 19:16

Then you have knowledge of how Kar operates, I cannot say I do as I havent been up there, I cannot bring myself to go as I know it would distress me, altho I will have to soon to take the puppies, and to be honest I am dreading it!

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 19:17

The TRNC shows no inclination to changing its Third World attitude to animal welfare.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 19:27

Pte Pike the south is no better, the greeks dont care about dogs either, I saw some dreadful sights over there.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 19:28

Don't they have animal cruelty legislation on the other side, though?

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 19:32

Pte pike what side are you referring to as I gather you live in the south....please clarify..thank you

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 20:20

Dee

Ignore our John (Pike)' He will knock everything in the TRNC and will not accept that there are the same problems in the South as well as most other countries in the world. But his anti TRNC days are coming to an end. His paymasters are beginning to realise that he is having no effect on the way people live their lives in the TRNC. I would advise you John to cash in your pension now before you lose it. After all you know what happened to Marky.

AJ

lesleyd



Joined: 05/06/2007
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 22:36

Msg 6

I find this very hard to believe as we thats someone from Kar told you to dump the dog in the mountains. If you can back up what you say then name and shame will be very interesting to see who you name.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 22:46

deecyprus,



I don't live in the south. I invested in the north. The south has laws in place to protect animals. The TRNC does not.



http://www.animalscyprus.org/Networking.htm



Your local veterinary department

This is where you make a complaint about animal cruelty or neglect. Don’t just be a whiner writing to a newspaper – take action! Use your rights! Use the law! Cyprus has an excellent animal welfare law (46/1994)

Here is the procedure:



The Veterinary Department must send someone to check out the animal(s).



The owner is warned and told what steps s/he must carry out.



If no improvement, the Veterinary Department will return with a police officer.



If still no improvement, the owner can be charged.

Phone numbers for Nicosia, Limassol, Larnaca, Paphos, Famagusta District Veterinary Officer can be found in the telephone directory or from:



Ministry of Agriculture

Tel. 22408327

Email: registry@moa.gov.cy

Veterinary Services (for complaints)



Tel. 22 805

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 22:58

AlsancakJack: "Ignore our John (Pike)' He will knock everything in the TRNC..."



Do you support cruelty to animals by supporting the TRNC's shameful refusal to even make it illegal? Third World standards seem to suit you fine.

The butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
11/11/2008 00:26

Hi lesleyd,



When I took this dog to Kar it was April 2007, I did not go alone so I have witnesses to what I am saying. I cannot remember the ladies name but she was blonde with a ponytail. The lady told me they had no room to take her but she would phone her boss which she did in front of us. She then told me to take the dog up into the mountains and leave her there. She said the dog belonged to somebody and wasn't a stray because she was too well fed and looked after. This was because I had taken her to the vets three times and paid for treatment for her amounting to 160ytl. I had fed her for 3 weeks and looked after her. I even offered to have her spayed but the vet found out she had already been done. I know kar have difficulty in taking all dogs, I saw for myself when I was there that they are under pressure to care for all they have. I am only telling it like it was. I am happy to say that the dog eventually found a new and loving home and is happy. The butlers wife

lesleyd



Joined: 05/06/2007
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
11/11/2008 03:39

Hello again butlers wife

I would like to point out that if anyone at all from the Kar rescue suggest anything at all like this to anyone then they should be reported at once to their superiors.

My husband and I both know quite a few of the guys who run the rescue and we know that they are a dedicated team they work hard every day of the year feeding cleaning out looking after the sick animals and walking and caring for all that are at the rescue.

They don't get days off and they are always working hard to come up with ways how to make money so they can expand and take more animals in.

Like it has already been said on the forum people have to start doing something to stop the cruelty and having men take dogs from the rescue just for the hunting season then letting the poor animals go to fend for themselves.

Someone has to start and make a stand so instead of moaning about the situation all the time lets all take our fingers out and start doing something about it.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
11/11/2008 15:45

something i notice when we were at the dog show this year was that a lot of the cypriots loved their dogs.

by the breeds which they had there it showed me that the popular/trendy breeds in the uk were similar in the trnc.

maybe if we could show them that it was trendy and cool to care for your dog, it might sink in.

i did also notice how many brits didn't exectly make the effort to mix with the cypriot dog owners. unless we make that effort things won't change.

i own a working dog who is very obedient because she has been trained.

at hunting time the locals are amazed at how she behaves.

now they are considering training their dogs to work properly.

dog training classes for all would be a good start.

that way at the end of the hunting season they would take the dog home , instead of shooting it or leaving it to starve.

puppylover



Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
11/11/2008 15:53

Firestarter.......



Do you or do you know anyone that does dog training classes?

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
11/11/2008 16:53

no sorry i have only trained my own dogs.

i think it would be a good idea for someone to set up a group for both expats and cypriots.

i don't have the time right now to take on something like this.

maybe someone else does?

there are lots of experience doggie people here in the trnc.

lesleyd



Joined: 05/06/2007
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
11/11/2008 18:50

Well said fire starter and also I always think if you are going to live in Cyprus why the hell shouldn't people mix with the Cypriot people, I have always found the one's that I have met very helpful and there are a few that do work up at the Kar rescue so it proves really that there are good and bad in all races no matter where you live.