BNP leader - signs a declaration re Cyprus and the threat of Islam

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 17:59

Am I giving this divisive person too much 'credit' by even discussing this ?



http://tinyurl.com/3rucfjb



I know TCs who work / have worked on this project and wonder why the missing is still listed as so high... ?



Such declarations are misinformed and simply serve to polarise relations between folks of different backgrounds



I wish the BNP weren't allowed to use the British Flag as if they represent the sort of Britain they infer they want - or an ignorant foreign policy



Rant mode, endeth

thetruth


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 18:24

i would advise him to study what happend in cyprus before 1974...

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 18:29

I'd advise folk to study the good works of the CMP and how pleased they'd be to be 'associated' with 'the threat of Islam' .....

erolz


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 18:29

I would advise him to print the actual text of the decleration he signed , rather than his own ammedned version.



BNP website version

"A. whereas during and after the Turkish invasion of Cyprus in 1974 around 2 000 individuals from both the Greek and Turkish Cypriot communities were reported as missing,"



EU parlimaent website verion



"A. whereas during the 1963-1964 intercommunal fighting, and thereafter with the 1974 Turkish invasion of Cyprus, around 2000 individuals from both the Greek and Turkish Cypriot communities were reported as missing,"



http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?reference=P7_TA(2011)0274&language=EN

yenibob


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 18:30

Re your first sentence......Yes. Let it drop, he deserves no publicity. All over the GC boards, but that is to be expected.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 18:32

Hi Yeni.. THAT sort of 'support' wise GCs could do without ...

yenibob


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 18:35

Agreed Mark. Lets not give the fascists a voice in the North

erolz


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 18:45

For the record my uncle was taken from his place of work, Barclays Bank, in 1964 in plain sight by a group of armed ethnic based thugs, almost certainly run and controlled by interior minister Polycarpos Georgadjis of the then 'legtimate' all GC run RoC government, never to be seen alive again. His body was eventually located by the CMP in a well near Ayia Napa and positively idenditifed by the CMP in the 2000's and his remains returned, for which my family is greatful.

paddywack


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 18:53

Any reference to BNP should be avoided on the board.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 18:55

Erolz, I'm sorry to hear that. How terrible.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 18:56

Not saying they are right

but why not mention them on the forum

you can vote for them in the UK

they are a "political" party

erolz


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 19:01

No1Doyen the point I was trying to get accross is that given what I recount in msg8, the BNP's overt manipulation of the actual text of the EU parliament decleration Nick Griffin signed, to remove and refferance to 1963-64, in order to better support their right wing extremist propaganda, is partciularly distatesful to me. Then again much of what the BNP do is distasteful to me, just not usualy so personal.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 19:02

Hi ErolZ



re msg 8



I guess it is of little comfort to know that the person you hold responsible met a sticky end .... didn't his ex marry the future 'Liealotopulous' ?

bigOz


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 19:09

The question remains; why does BNP has increased popularity and support over the past decade?

erolz


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 19:10

MM I am more than aware of the fate of Polycarpos Georgadjis and that his former wife married Tassos Papadopulous and you are right it is little comfort. As it is little comfort to know that the known indivduals who actually carried out these kind of acts have never had to fear investigation or prosecution from the 'legitimate' RoC government for the attrocities they comitted, not then , not now and not ever in most likelyhood.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 19:13

Msg14, it is a backlash

to the over liberal immigration laws

and the over PC bridage

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 19:14

Hi ErolZ



I have always hoped for a soln and a truth and reconciliation committee .. some generations have grown up being taught a 'history' that is very one-sided :(

EssexPhil


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 19:18

You can vote for who you like in UK , and in TRNC . I don't see TRNC politicans poking their nose into UK matters UK political parties / personnel should do the same . The USA try to be the worlds ' policemen ' our government seem to try and copy / appease them , should mind our own business .

erolz


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 19:18

I too have long hoped for some kind of truth and reconsilliation process in Cyprus and I think there is a reason why truth comes before reconcilliation in that phrase, something that I think external 'powers' like the UN and EU and others that profess so much support for a renuified Cyprus would do well to consider. It oftens feels to me they want and push for reconcilliation without bothering about truth.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 19:20

The difference is that Trnc politicians

are not recognised internationally (except Turkey)

andre514


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 19:26

a theme I have posted about several times before,

is that many of the ideas, alarums and excursions that show up on this board

seem relevant in theory but have little bearing on "solving" the cyprus question



and while "solving" means regaining supposed lost territory for one side,

and security and self-government via compromise to the other lot,



...neither will be delivered by foreign bigots (whoever you think they may be),

directionless talks, and show-trial capers of the orams and gary robb variety



by general agreement though, (but not if you read cyprus) 44 anti-islam agendas

may have some bearing on the hopelesness of emergent turkey's europe dream

Riddles


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 19:27

Msg 14

The BNP haven't increased popularity over last decade ...they have lost virtually all their previously won council seats and were humiliated in last general election.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 19:38

The BNP are losing votes to UKIP

newscoop


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 19:49

UKIP;



are the new 'Bad Boys' BNP never had a chance in the most moderate country in Europe.



The only reason UKIP are doing relatively well is because the Tories and Labour are pretty much one and the same.



Especially with regards to Europe and immigration.

bigOz


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 20:02

Riddles, I must admit I might be a little out of date on the subject because I returned to Cyprus in 2008. However, the last heard (2007) it was more on these lines

http://www.annettes-knickers.co.uk/fft/fftbnpwebsite.html

Sorry, here is the actual link to Telegraph article; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1562960/BNP-website-is-the-most-popular-in-politics.html

According to Wiki; "During the 2010 General Election, the BNP received 1.9% of the vote and failed to win any seats." - BUT - "The BNP finished fifth in the 2008 London mayoral election with 5.2% of the vote and secured one of the London Assembly's 25 seats. It won its first county council seats in 2009 and two seats in the European Parliament."

It is interesting to note that around 45% of London's population are from ethnic minorities (who would not vote BNP). Yet they must have got the votes of more than 10% of the "white British" voters!

paddywack


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 20:12

Forget BNP forget UKIP, remember Moseleys blackshirts in the 30s and what he stood for, this must never be allowed to happen again.

Riddles


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 20:25

Paddywack, you are correct -

Philosopher George Santayana said: "Those

who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 21:00

what a stupid thing to post ,to serve what purpose .





musin





long live the kktc

andre514


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 21:04

musin,



another inconsequential bit of sniping supposedly related to the so-called cyprob



we play this stupid game because two tribal leaders cannot "agree"

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 21:30

re 28- I posted it because I don't like folk trying to make political capital out of a good cause and using it for their own racist aims.. or have I misunderstood you?





re 29: Are you referring the BNP website or me ?!

andre514


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 22:12

re: msg 30



is there a difference?

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 22:16

ok mark ,i see your point valid or not ,however this is a double edged sword and i believe that,s why you have posted it,it has a get out of jail card attached to it.



i have actually met the guy and some of his cronnies ,they are just racists thugs and deserve no publicity

at all.



which brings me back to asking why would you post such a thing unless you have a hidden agenda.



andre



how true.



musin



long live the kktc

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 22:18

Message 28



Maybe it was to detract from his earlier post that got closed,i also agree with your post.

Turtle


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Message Posted:
06/08/2011 22:30

Stop poking him with a stick,...................you know what will happen !

andre514


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Message Posted:
07/08/2011 03:21

yes, the coffin lid will burst open and he will fly off into the night sky

Groucho



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Message Posted:
07/08/2011 06:56

I fear that many of you don't understand Mark (6m's) at all.

Mark, Nick Griffin signing anything marks its death-knell in my estimation. Most Brits with a brain will see him for what he is... if the mindless thugs down 'Mexico-way' want to latch on to his rhetoric that's fine it won't further their cause but discredit it....

blade


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Message Posted:
07/08/2011 09:38

This is just the BNP riding someone else to get their five minutes of glory. Saddo's.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
07/08/2011 09:45

Hi Groucho



we go back a LONG way..



Musim - mo hidden agenda - plain silly to suggest otherwise.. to repeat I've met some folk from the CMP and dined with them in ( north ) Nicosia ... Griffin is twisting their efforts by signing this worthy declaration then putting it up as some sort of ant-Muslim tirade..



Andre_514 - I have now given up on you as some sort of 'basket case' .. ( sadly, you now exist in the zero zone of posters whose input is the sort of thing you read on the likes of the earliest Sunday Sport editions - you read it and wonder at the people who actually buy the paper !)



I can only ASSume you are *so* anti- settlement - you regard anyone so-minded as some sort of 'threat' !

Carndi


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Message Posted:
07/08/2011 10:12

The number of Greek speaking Cypriots killed in 1974 are given as 1493.

As there was a civil war between the GC, which precipitated the intervention / invasion by Turkey, does anyone know if there are any figures given as to how many GC and were killed by GC's during their civil war or are they counted in with the 1493 figure given ?



Bob

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
07/08/2011 10:52

If we can keep on thread for a mo...



This thread is about the CMP and it's good works being hi-jacked..



Here's the website for the Committee for Missing Persons



http://www.cmp-cyprus.org/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=1355



I wonder if Mr Griffin bothered to visit it as the BNP's website title looks a little 'silly' to a considerable contingent of the team who are TCs and presumably Muslims... :(

andre514


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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 01:54

message 38:



me anti-settlement as such?

hardly, ex-pat property values will jump in value with an annan-type compromise

...I have stated this very many times as you must appreciate



perhaps a settlement that gives nicosia control over north cyprus again?

I'll have to pass on this one since it will be bad news for many ex-pats but my views

are irrelevant, as are yours

because such a thing as this is vanishingly unlikely, one may well question the

motives of those talking it up eg to try to scare people unecessarily in a lost cause

bertieboss


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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 02:05

Mark - why are you so touchy when normally you are even tempered - if self opinionated ??!!

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 09:03

re 42



Hi Bertie



Simple, really.. even I can get a little fed up of posters - who should know better - 'twisting a VERY straight thread into ' he must have an agenda'



Andre_514 and Musin have had an unequivocal response ..



Neither, have 'done the right thing'...



I have friends who are Muslim and I tire of idiots like Griffin preying on folks ignorance, and seeing andre_514 suggest my post might be something similar....

Troodo


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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 10:27

GC's and the BMP are natural bed fellows.



msg 39. Good question.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 10:29

Opps = BNP.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 11:06

Troodo



re 44/5



That's exactly the sort of response I'd expect of someone who didn't have a clue about the CYprob - YOU should know better... but in case you don't many GCs and TCs are quite capable of getting along - witness the very program that the BNP 'support' by signing this charter.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 11:22

Troodo is completely dotty...











Remember Rule 3 ....... Simbas

Troodo


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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 13:03

No wonder so many people are leaving this forum, it has been taken over by people who do not even live here but believe they know better than people who do.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 15:33

mm. Just read the article in the star about you - just about sums you up really.













Remember rule 3 ........ Simbas

Groucho



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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 15:44

Troodo,

I do hope you don't mean me?

I was only commenting on your name (profile).

Groucho



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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 15:54

Mark,

Msg 46, You must admit that there is the world of difference between choosing to get along and being forced into each others arms by some sort of deal dreamt up by 'leaders'...

jamboree


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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 16:01

mr griffin is not good for england nor the cyprus problem. do you all think out there that the greek cypriots are happy that they have the support of of a fool like griffin. i realy do not think so. this man griffin is poison he will use anything to benifit his own cause..

andre514


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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 16:32

it is all too easy to simply label "racist bigots" like the BNP or EOKA B for that matter

as simply thriving on ignorance



the extreme outrage in norway revealed the dark underside of liberal, democratic

scandanavia based on very real but spiteful and ugly, fears of being overwhelmed,

...and more competition than ever for fewer jobs and dwindling affordable homes



already denmark is tightening its border controls despite threats of a carpeting from

the eu commission, and anti-islamic/racist parties enjoyed some degree of electoral

success in finland, hungary and the netherlands



all these groups thrive on publicity, a passive community response and in hard times

cyprusairsoft



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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 17:40

" many GCs and TCs are quite capable of getting along "



as long as the GC is in charge of the TC

andre514


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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 18:36

troodo,



...you mention an article in the "star" about mark smyth



without getting us all banned, basically, what did it say?

Crumpy



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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 18:53

In message 39 Carndi wrote :

"The number of Greek speaking Cypriots killed in 1974 are given as 1493. As there was a civil war between the GC, which precipitated the intervention/invasion by Turkey, does anyone know if there are any figures given as to how many GCs were killed by GCs during their civil war or are they counted in with the 1493 figure given?"

I too am curious. Does anyone know?

Ossie


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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 19:15

Lets be honest with each other,there are many issues that the BNP say that we agree with,unfortunately they attract the thug element of the UK population and therefore they lose credibilty. Enoch Powell and others indicated the problems the UK would come across if we open the doors to all and sundry.Can someone explain to me why my taxes paid over the years should support those that have no loyalty to the UK?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 22:05

re msg 49



Troodo ( trying to wind me up and failing !)



I'm not worried about what some unprofessional part time hack writes about me - not having even bothered to contact me - in some paper with a VERY limited circulation...I wonder if they'll bother to print the letters that have been sent from my TC mates.. responses that are firm rebuttals ?!





ANYWAY.. back to the board..I'm FAR more concerned about andre_514 / Musin thinking the original post / thread title was some sort of 'agenda' ... ?!



There you go Troodo.. ... a little bit of stirring on your part...gone 'wrong' as usual ... you'll have to get up MUCH earlier !! ;)

andre514


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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 23:15

message 58:



you believe I thought your posting was some sort of "agenda"... but where is your evidence?



....if pressed I do feel it is a tad naive to describe racism as simply the result of ignorance,

but this is a respectable view shared by many professional and business people



in fact I resisted all temptation to claim you were getting desperate to find anyone or someone

slagging off turkey, which deserves certain criticisms anyway, as do most states



...just as I hope you will accept with good grace my thread hinting that cnn now appears to

recognize beyrak tv and implicitly, the trnc



since as we are both aware, eu rhetoric has been far more hostile to turkey and north cyprus,

than that of of the united states and great britain



finally whatever musin thinks, he arguably has more right to broadcast his opinions on cyprus

issues than foreigners like us



these philosophical gymnastics make me still more curious about what a "star" hack really wrote

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
09/08/2011 08:43

re 58



andre_514



>>you believe I thought your posting was some sort of "agenda"... but where is your evidence? <<



I suppose msg 29 (below) was aimed at Musin M ? ......[ emoticon for yeah right goes here... ]



>>another inconsequential bit of sniping supposedly related to the so-called cyprob

<<



Come on, andre_514.. you're going to have to get up (AT LOT) earlier before you can wriggle out of this one.. :(

andre514


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Message Posted:
09/08/2011 10:26

message 60:



no comment on cnn significantly appearing to recognise the trnc



no explanation why you think racism purely the result of ignorance



no recognition the cyprob is different things to different people



I give up!

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
09/08/2011 10:32

re 60



andre_514



>>no comment on cnn significantly appearing to recognise the trnc <<



slap's hand to forehead...



I started this thread and you made a VERY silly comment - if you WANT intelligent debate - suggest you 'deal' with that first...



>>I give up !<<



Perhaps it is 'best' ...

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
09/08/2011 10:42

(cont)



THIS thread was about racist capitalising on the good works of the CMP - and using it to make a 'point' - even though those who are more knowledgeable can see it makes him an IDIOT ..



If you wish to debate " CNN recognises 'TRNC' " then start a new thread... it has no relevance here..



Again - my OP was a simple observation - there was no 'agenda' re the CY Problem... *anyone* suggesting otherwise - especially, after my response - can only be wilfully ignorant or a wind-up merchant..

andre514


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 04:49

mark message 63:





you deliberately set up a "straw man" ie all this bleating about agendas,

in order to try to claim certain of us are trying to tag you with agendas,

whereas you say you were only making a "simple observation"



to tell you the truth I cannot tell whether you have specific "agendas" or not,

only that your mailings suggest an even-handed approach to the cyprus problem

as it may be defined for example by nicosia and the eu



would it be unfair to suggest your writings indicate a personal desire to see turkey

and the turks off the island? ...let me know if I mistake the evidence



perhaps we could resolve all this by avoiding the word "agendas" and use "motivation"

instead, though be assured I am not trying to get you to "fess up" to the real reasons

for your many postings on cyprus 44 ...any more than I should need to "explain" mine



but again, racists are not all "idiots"...and they often have very clear agendas too