violent british youths

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 12:03

london burning ,tottenham ,enfield ,edmonton, watham cross,walthamstow,brixton .



the youths have become so brazen ,so violent they have no respect for anyone or anything,the elderly people have become so scared they rarely go out they have become prisoners in their own homes they do not even safe there.



complete disregard for law and order ,i live in enfield and have been listening to police sirens and helicopters all night it,s more like a war zone .



i can see the fright in the faces of some of my elderly neighbours ,i feel so sorry for them should this time of their lives not be their most content.



i really strongly believe the police are too soft ,these clashes have nothing to do with the shooting of mr duggan ,this is just disrespect for law and order and if the government does not come up with a solution and stamp these lawless youths,

then we must brace ourselves for worse too come.



musin

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 12:13

Musin it must be so awful to live there now. Its a disgrace. I wish you safety and peace from it all.

Sundance


Joined: 15/07/2010
Posts: 213

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 12:24

Musin M, its sad to say, but this is what most parts of Briton has become,go to any big towns or citys on a Saturday night, no respact for any one or any thing, bring back conscription 2 years should do the trick,



Sundance

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 13:04

No point in bringing back conscription I'm afraid. Britain can't afford to maintain the forces they have now, cutbacks everywhere, Now bring back the birch ! That doesn't cost anything.

Tonyta


Joined: 11/06/2011
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 13:05

Hi Musin, yes it is an absolute disgrace. Youths are taking the opportunity knowing that all the police reserves where in the Tottenham area. The problem is that in the UK the police can only operate with the consent of the public, as such they do not have the numbers to contain such actions in many areas at the same time. But there were 100 arrests of the thieves and hopefully life will return to normal in a very short time. At least Tottenham was relatively quiet.

DoctorW


Joined: 28/11/2010
Posts: 334

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 13:13

Unfortunately conscription is out of the question, Britain doesn't need the 'cannon fodder' of the past it wants the dedicated volunteers who want to do the job and are prepared to buckle under and get on with it.



With our streamlined professional forces I think you will not find many in the services that want a return to conscription. Why should they have to deal with the scum?

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 13:24

Theresa May is flying back from her holidays today to tackle the problem. Meanwhile The Guardian suggested that a bullet found lodged in a police radio after Mr Duggans arrest was a police issue. The Deputy Assistant Commissioner is blaming social media for fueliing the riots.

dandd3


Joined: 10/06/2010
Posts: 326

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 18:38

I have just recıeved photos of north london taken by my frıend wıth all the shops wındows mashed and everythıng looted and all the shops set on fıre. İt was aperently started by polıce shootıng a youth and punchıng a 15 year old gırlç So the gırls brother well know (drug dealer) kıcked off and rıots started all over north and south london.

rocking


Joined: 05/11/2008
Posts: 421

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 19:24

On 6 pm World News (TV) someone from the Police said that 'perhaps we should have given more support to Mark Duggan or whatever's family suggesting that if that had happened would not have had riots - what crap and he should be ashamed of saying that. What does that message have for those poor officers lying in hospital. Another one trotted out 'deprived area' well I was born and bought up in Lambeth in the 40s, 50s, 60s - very deprived but we did not go out and terrify the ordinary folk by setting fire to flats and buildings - would have loved to see the water canons out with dye in them. Poor sods living in and around these areas. I have written to the BBC saying that their reporting on these incidents are so biased and left wing. Cannot find an e mail address for Met otherwise would write to them on their spokesman's crap. Have to go out now but if anyone can find it would love to hear from them.

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 19:31

Its not the first time and won't be the last..

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 19:46

Musin M: With all due respect. Your headline ought to be "Violent European youths".

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 19:57

http://www.met.police.uk/about/online_services.htm

http://www.met.police.uk/contacts/

chopsticks


Joined: 31/10/2010
Posts: 30

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 20:03

I think they should just poor petrol over those scum bags and burn them alive.The lot of them.Saves a lot of police time,stops people worrying and a lot of money. plus the others will think twice before getting cocky.

chopsticks


Joined: 31/10/2010
Posts: 30

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 20:31

Pour even...

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 20:37

message 12



good links.



Great isnt it how they manage to slide the odd black copper in here and there on there websites.



If we did not have to be politically correct you would not see a black person in the METs website,unless he was behind bars that is

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 21:01

msg 15



On the border of sounding quite racist I think.... Not all black people are criminals behind bars, I bet you would think twice about making comments like that in the Kingdom United.



Having lived in London all my life I have made some very good friends that are hard working and live respectable lives, and a lot of them hav'nt forgotton the days of NO BLACKS, NO DOGS, NO IRISH.

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 21:14

message 16



I think you need to re-read my post in 15 !

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 21:14

rioting and looting everywhere,enfield town centre shut down .



dc ,i take your point on board ,when i write british i mean british ,black ,white ,polish ,turkish or whatever they are all british,ask them .



it,s all pure looting .lewisham, hackney, bethnal green ,haringey,islington ,peckham and oxford circus



police have now shut down all shops and the streets of london have become a battle ground.



musin



long live the kktc

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 21:17

Lewisham is going crazy.



1 poor shopkeeper speaking now,30 to 50 people just ransacked his shop,took all the cigarettes and other products,surely they know smoking is bad for there health !

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 21:25

Message 15.



If the police did not have to show to be politically correct there is no way they would show a black person in there websites or even have one in a uniform,the 'Metropolitan police is still institutionally racist as is most other police forces and even the prison service,that is why they would not show a black person on there website but only if behind bars.

Maybe this time ive explained myself better !



Only my opinion of course.

LittleQueenie


Joined: 20/04/2011
Posts: 107

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 21:29

Musin M



You are right- I doubt any of them even care about him getting shot, its just another excuse for all the scum bags to steal things they are too lazy to work for. Plus they know they can get away with it whilst the police have to stand by and watch.. If they can't respect their own areas they live in how can they respect anything at all!



Feel sorry for all my friends trapped in their houses in London listening to sirens all day and night.. Despite some of them living in these 'deprived' areas I notice they haven't taken to the streets rioting, perhaps something to do with being brought up properly and having a brain!



The images on the news are sickening and make me so angry- definately not a proud Brit today

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 21:31

Even though there is 30000 police in london,only a few are trained to deal with riots like this,they are fighting a loseing battle,tonight is going to be there toughest night ever i think.



Fires rageing in peckham

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 21:32

stonehouse I remember those days so well, However this is worse than anything I have seen in UK for a long time. Those poor people living their fleeing their home the buisness now destroyed. Social media has a lot to answer for to get these thugs together. Just seen live pics from Lewisham , god its bad. The Olympics coming up, not looking good is it. I feel for the people, the police who are trying to do a job. We wont know the outcome of where that bullet came from but why did the guy have a gun anyway.This will affect us all, how will people travel, etc, buisness closed . Where next.

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 21:37

Fires riseing up a building in pecham.



Im sure if this carries on for 1 more night the army will be called in,if theres any still stationed in the UK !!

LittleQueenie


Joined: 20/04/2011
Posts: 107

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 21:41

Why can't they send the army in now before any more damage is done?



My friend has just driven through Lewisham she said its a total mess- I feel sorry for her having to take her child through there!

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 21:45

the whole world is watching,what must they be thinking .



have our leaders ,politicians taken their eye off the ball, fighting other peoples wars and not seeing whats been happening at home.



it,s getting more and more worrying by the minute.



musin



long live the kktc

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 21:49

There is total lawlessness. Many of these young people show no fear its astonishing. lets hope it does'nt spread across the UK.

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 21:50

msg 20



Apologies....

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 21:52

No probs mate.



I should of wrote the whole story the first time.



But i did not want to be accused of being a police hater

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 21:59

We have no army left guys.Cut backs you know so we can pay these bastards social. Our troops would be better placed there to deal with it insted of being in very hot countries and when they are done end up on the streets. What have we bred. Im so glad Im not British but all my sympathy goes out to the residents etc . They must be so scared

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 22:03

this has all kicked off tonight in hackney because the police did a stop and search on some youth,a group that was near by did not like it.



The rest will be history

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 22:06

birmingham and leeds now.





musin







long live the kktc

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 22:09

organised riots or orgainised protests x

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 22:12

18 or 19 year old boy sitting outside MCdonalds with his little sister and a police man wanted to stop n search him,he refused,he was eating with his little sister,then lots of police turned up and tried to arrest him,thats when all the trouble started in hackney.



What are the police thinking,why go to search a little boy with his baby sister who are sitting outside MCdonalds, the police want this trouble,they thrive off it,they love it,early retirement from injuries,early retirement from Emotional and Psychological Trauma from the riots,there is many reasons why the police would try to add fuel to this fire.



Now i shall wait for the backlash



Why go to stop n search a young boy eating outside a MCDonalds when he is with his baby sister,surely they must know how sensative everything is,or was it planned by the police to start this in hackney ???

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 22:13

@ msg 26, Musin: (...) the whole world is watching,what must they be thinking . (...)



▶ What do you think?



But this is NOT an exclusive UK problem. It's a European problem. It started in the 1970's when a whole generation was allowed 'the ultimate freedom'. They are todays parents and don't (care to) control their off-spring anymore. Add (violent) TV, the almost unlimited influx of foreign cultures and the soft European 'tolerance' toward them - the burning of London in a nutshell.

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 22:13

I was told ,you are mad to move from London to Ireland. Looks a bit different now.

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 22:14

Report violence spread to Birmingham

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 22:18

now they are attacking journalists, they don't want anything recorded. Now more women involved. The youths are smashing cars as people are in them. A Guardian report claims its not social media its iphones and blackberry. All young people, its pure criminality they follow where others lead. What a job for the MET x They are dressed in full gear chasing yobs in trainers. Why are communities blighted by actions of yobs how do we allow this x

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 22:21

I think Holland has alot to blame for this.



Holland started the grow rooms,the young british kids followed suit and started growing there own super skunk weed and mind blowing smoke.



It really does send some kids ape sheet this super skunk,makes then think they are superman.



The liberal laws of holland are to blame,kids come back from there after a wacky backie weekend and think they can also do the same in GREAT BRITAIN, yes Great Britain,it is still Great



On a serious note,the chief just been talking on ~TV,what a buffoon he is,he is right out of touch,he needs to get out of the lodge more and see what is really happening on the streets !

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 22:24

message 38



where they trainers that they looted?



BREAKING NEWS



police looking for criminals in brand new trainers walking the streets of london

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 22:29

David you cant blame a country you need to blame the parents. You need to blame our government , prisions are full in the UK wil they be locked up no. We give them homes social etc and they bring them up that way. Holland has nothing to do with it, if they want whacky, or anything else they no were to get it. Are you suggesting they are all on drugs. What will they get a warning and a council flat, thats no fault of Hollands or any other country. I would die if I though any of my grandkids were out there doing this thrashing homes for people, some elderly. I think its more for excitment than drugs. God I dont let my dogs out after a certain hour , how can you let your kids out

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 22:29

British rail closeing some of its stations now because of the violence.



Now problems happening in birmingham

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 22:31

lilli, i was in joke mode regarding holland.



Did you know wales smokes the most whacky backie in the united kingdom !

rocking


Joined: 05/11/2008
Posts: 421

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 22:51

I am so upset been watching on TV and as a Londoner until moving here I really am upset. Rioting in Croydon as well as inner London. Why do they not bring out the water canons - fire engines cannot get through to fires, ambulances stuck - then some poxy reporter saying how the young are 'aggreived with society' - please God the courts deal harshly with those who come before them - sod their human rights what about them trying to burn people to death in their flats - have to now turn the news off too distressing.

eager


Joined: 23/02/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 22:52

Can see lots of black smoke coming from the direction of lewisham......kids with no hope are getting angry

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 22:53

croydon now on fire...buildings buring..also ilford

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 22:54

Oh my god....croydon is really on fire..



This is madness

eager


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Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 22:57

Looking at the bbc news channel now....Croydon is ablaze

yorgozlu



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Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 22:57

it can only happen in uk.



makes Ethiopia look like civilised country with basic human rights.

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 22:57

Birmingham are now reporting real trouble on there streets.



Looks like the sex pistols where correct





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKrQXV4keRI

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 23:01

Sky news showing several buildings alight in Croydon and now spreading West ...........scary

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 23:02

Its gone wild, they cant keep up with the news. Where and When will it end. Where are the phone hackers now, block all networks . Airports next they know what they are doing it seems . Improvished neighbourhoods they call it on TV ,Why hurt the innocent amongst them. Who the f put them there. Who will pay x

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 23:05

@ msg 49, Yorgozlu: (...) it can only happen in uk. (...)

▶ You really don't understand what's going on. It is a EUROPEAN problem, not an exclusive UK problem. It happened before in other European countries. It only amazes me that the UK seems to be the last big European country where things run out of hand. Socio-history teaches that in such cases "the last will be the worst".

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 23:07

police have now lost control ,should ordinary people now protect themselves and their properties



complete anarchy.





musin





long live the kktc

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 23:08

this is a goverment conspricy,they wish to renew parts of london prior to the olympics on the back of the insurance companies.



ok.ok. theres always a Conspiracy Theory



this is mine

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 23:10

UK has to many do gooders,to much human rights activists who are mostly middle class white folk who want rights for these hooligans.

Now the worm has turned

eager


Joined: 23/02/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 23:13

Have a look on BBC news...Croydon is on fire

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 23:14

time for the army now .







musin

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 23:16

clapham is blazeing...oh my lord



This looks mad



its like the london blitz all over again



now one police man in sight



this building/s is shooting flames so high

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 23:17

Msg 56 . spot on



all this PC crap (not plod)

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 23:17

oh the prime minister has decided to return to london in the early hours

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 23:20

plenty here if your interested



http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/topstories/9183466.LIVE__Riots_in_Croydon/

parkview



Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 23:24

The poor old people, can you imagine how terrifying this is for them, they fought in a war for this country and this is what it has turned into. B.....dy bastards, they are scum and this has nothing to do with protests, they are looting and damaging ordinary peoples businesses, what has this got to do with their so called rights, as far as I am concerned anyone who can do this has no rights, they are scum. They have no fear, they have no morals and yes I agree with Omaintenance, too many liberal do gooders, and too many rights for these hooligans.

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 23:38

This is pure vandalism.oppertunism.nothing else.



PM should be calling in the army from his 10,000 pound a night suite in the south of france or where ever he is shacked up with his floosie

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 23:46

Delia, do you think they care, they Know prisions are full, they know they wont go to jail . The police have stated that. The police are doing what they can agianst mindless thugs. Sadly they have more rights than you and me, you do not beleive what they get and we cant. This is just so awful for all the people, now birmingham, this is pure criminal to steal and loot, not a protest. I guss they do not know who was killed. Mr Duggan unless they saw it on Jeremy Kyle. That culture is taking over. Where the hell are the parents. In the council house. In amercia Trailer Trash. Thats what they will live like, benefits. You and I could not claim a thing yet as soon as they get pregant, a home and a live on benefits, the boys 16 sign on, do you have anything wrong with you. Yes Im an alci, I am dope head. Ok council house and support system. Its so mad

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 23:49

Dont forget if your a alcoholic,,you get benefits to support your addiction to alcohol !!

paddywack


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Posts: 959

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 23:54

Time for martial law, it was done in N Ireland why not on the mainland.

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 23:56

police are going to publish CCTV pictures



Now they want your help !

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
08/08/2011 23:58

Now they talking about



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPw0QbH2g68



This is taking me back to liverpool many years ago

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
09/08/2011

all i can hear are police sirens and helicopters,my son just rang me from spain and he is watching enfield on the spanish news .







musin

bondyboy


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Posts: 67

Message Posted:
09/08/2011

all blacks burning every thing it cant be giro day today

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
09/08/2011 00:10

Hey Bondyboy



Not just blacks



Come on be fair



theres plenty of rednecks there,making right pricks of them selves



Ive been watching them



you could only see the blacks if they smiled from behind there bandanas



OK OK it was a joke !

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 00:11

paddy we don't have an army there , maybe they will get the territorials in . There is no back up. They know what they are doing and do they care. I only hope no one needs an ambulance tonight, peoples livelihoods being destroyed. I do not think its drugs its excitement they are on a roll. They know they will get the next giro. Would you want to know where your kids are, I would. No not these, OK darling get home when you can your giro will be waiting x I don't swear often but seeing what people have lost to trailer trash. Believe me they will be on Jeremy Kyle soon saying they are victims, the people who have done it crying. Cameron Wake up for fuxxs sake. Otherwise make it over to them. Even Duggan's family are against it

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
09/08/2011 00:14

THE TA....



Come on lilli

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
09/08/2011 00:15

Bring back Capital Punishment.

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
09/08/2011 00:18

you know jeremy kyle gives them bag heads £500 each and all inclusive in a hotel in manchester,they drink them self silly before the show,or all night,most are phissed in the morning when the show begins at 7am.



Again it makes great TV,how many viewers every morning watching a load of numpties airing there dirty washing.



Wouldnt you just love to .......... them



im sure jeremy kyle could make something of cyp44

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 00:19

A family business set up in 1857 five generations of the same family and employing 20 staff just been torched and destroyed, all gone.



Cameron is returning to the uk tonight, the Police are toothless in terms of their power and control. We need to call in the water cannons and the army or even the T.A. now!!!! Enough is enough thieving scum the lot of them

cyprusLulz


Joined: 01/08/2011
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 00:50

ENOUGH is enough shoot all looters RECLAIM the uk . http://t.co/I9ryvwk

phebes


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Message Posted:
09/08/2011 01:10

message 48 ,,, Is this somr kind of joke to you







@message 49 - the fact that you link this to the plight of Ethiopians is beyond me!!! What ?? These people are spoilt scumbags- and as a Brit I am shocked and in disbelief -

phebes


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Posts: 25

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 01:27

Sorry I meant @ message 49 not @ message 48 :( soorry

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
09/08/2011 01:29

non fatal shooting of a guy in croydon now reported

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
09/08/2011 01:31

KFC in brixton ransacked



talk about biting the hand that feeds you !!

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
09/08/2011 02:06

MESSAGE 80.SORRY I MEANT 79



WHAT DO YOU THINK

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
09/08/2011 02:10

They are even playing emergency calls from very scared ladies in there bedrooms who say they just woke up and a man is standing over them dressed in all black..no police answering the fones.



This lady is very distressed



Its live on SKY TV now



crazy stuff

SaraD


Joined: 12/07/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 02:23

Police are answering phone Omaintenance, Police always do. But due to these delightful riots it does take officers away and leaves less staff civil and officers to answer and dispatch the calls. ALL officers are working there butts off in London .. Many of them getting injured by this unruly mob.

SaraD


Joined: 12/07/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 02:27

It has been a Manic few days for London and it Emergency services due to these low life scum bags, they have taken away many peoples lively hoods and they dont care who gets in their way or what they destroy. If they took their human rights away and some one had the balls to allow police to POLICE then I'm sure it would be a different story.

Navek



Joined: 01/06/2008
Posts: 2656

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 02:41

Been watching this on Sky News, BBC World, CNN & Aljazeera,

unbelievable scenes and stories coming from residents.

Politicians etc are saying a lot, but nothing seems to be getting done.

How long before they send the Army in?

225 arrests, and only a few charged, looks like they've arrested the wrong ones.

All London football cancelled too.

What next, The Olympics?

They're torching everything, Fire Brigade don't stand a chance.

It's going to be a long night for people of London.

Navek

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 02:53

liverpool /toxteth is at it now

Navek



Joined: 01/06/2008
Posts: 2656

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 03:05

"Met Police: We Will Stop Any Further Trouble"

2:11pm UK, Monday August 08, 2011

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16045789

Navek

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 03:14

hahahahahahaha ive jusr weeed ma kecks

Navek



Joined: 01/06/2008
Posts: 2656

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 03:19

London Burns As Rioters And Looters Run Amok

1:10am UK, Tuesday August 09, 2011

Sky reporter Mark Stone filmed stores being damaged and said he could not see any police officers.

He said people smashed the windows of a Ladbrokes bookmakers, a Wimpey fast food restaurant and a hairdressers.

He said: "I cannot see one policeman at all. They are dealing with problems elsewhere.

"This is quite extraordinary. Every shop they can find they are looting."....

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16045926

Navek

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 07:43

Has any CY44 forum reader viewed the video clip(s) on 'Singapore Caning'?



You should 'Google' it; and that's exactly what's needed to be implemented in order to deter these louts - never mind the PC 'Do Gooders' - they've had their chance and, surely, it's now well proven that their 'softly, softly' approach is completely useless.

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 07:59

I would imagine, and hope, that the Home Secretary, Theresa May, will be forced resign over this mess. That would open the way for Bill Bratton to get the job of commisioner of the Metropolitan Police .



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8687375/US-supercop-criticises-decision-to-stop-foreigners-applying-for-top-Met-job.html

bondi


Joined: 12/07/2007
Posts: 116

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 09:05

Just woken up - live on the outskirts of the LB Croydon - have heard sirens going all night, you feel when is it your turn? I dread another night of this if the establishment doesnt get hold of this situation - talking to neighbours there is a general feeling of - where is the leadership? there is too much adherence to namby pamby policies and laissez faire attitudes within the so called agencies. So Mr Cameron will be chairing COBRA if they dont take immediate and effective action these thugs will have won (won what?) I dont know how trust in the community and the young will ever be restored when you have this amount of lawlessness breaking out over London and other main cities? One asks where are the parents? where are the leaders? and more importantly where is or was the discipline? We are all suffering from cutbacks but not all of us are on the streets causing mayhem and criminality - the decent public feel abandoned they have done for for years now.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 09:11

bondi I feel for you and all the innocent people living there. Where are the parents of these thugs. What discipline. Its a very sad situation. Action needs to be taken today

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 09:16

We do not need to be afraid of terrorists when communities do this to their own

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 09:18

The Turkish in Dalston:



http://twitpic.com/635ffl

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 09:20

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=207192798388318292131.0004aa01af6748773e8f7&msa=0&ie=UTF8&ll=51.536086,-0.056305&spn=0.39294,0.630341&z=10&source=embed

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 09:23

http://thewestlondoner.wordpress.com/

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 09:28

Interesting: 1 : The London Police is - by law - not allowed to use as much violence as police forces in other European capitals. 2 : The Police force in Northern Ireland is the only force in the UK allowed to use water cannons.

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 09:43

I think all the rules will be out of the window soon.

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 09:48

Mods, please review this thread as there are some very racists comments runnung throught it!!!!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 09:57

@ msg 75, No1Doyen: (...) Bring back Capital Punishment. (...)



▶ That won't help control this generation (of lost) youth, Bill. Make parents responsible for any damage done by their child(ren). Hit the ignorant parents where they fear and feel it: in their wallets.

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 09:58

I think we need to look at the cause before judging. Most of these people rioting i guess can't afford a summer hol in Italy like the PM, probably just about getting enough food to eat. Not that it is any excuses for what they are doing now, but i do feel we need to look at why. Poverty, and age group is what i see here.

I think it clearly shows that Britians youth are fed up with having sod all opportunity.



Vanessa May is a the worst choice the goverment could have made. I have had direct dealings with her when she was a mere Lib Dem MP in Suffolk. In fact she purchased a car from us and failed to pay her installments. It got to the point when she did pay up, only when we had the tow truck ready to repo her car. So much for her dealing with law and order, shes not exactly the most honest bod out there. I bet she doesn't drive a Fiat Panda now!

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 10:04

It's too late. We probably have three generation on benefits and never worked. Generations of ignorance caused by socialism, poor education and parents who don't care that there children are ignorant and going to be unemployed. The concept that people might want to "better" themselves has long gone from this lot.

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 10:05

message 101 agree cocklebay, these riots are not a racist issue and some of the comments on this thread are despicable.

Chelpet


Joined: 10/03/2010
Posts: 253

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 10:06

Never mind the police and army just release a few polar bears in these areas

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 10:08

Oh dear! "their" not " "there". Before the grammar police get me with their water cannon.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 10:10

@ msg 105, JohnW: (...) The concept that people might want to "better" themselves has long gone from this lot. (...)



▶ I share your pessimistic realism. It's visible all over Europe. But, if "it's too late" - what will the future bring..?!

Carndi


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 613

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 10:10

As I said in an earlier forum I was in Tottenham in 1985 during theriots then and my news delivery round was the Broadwater Farm and can only feel sorry for those innocents caught up in it.

Watching TV News and seeing the looters leaving shope with trollys full of goods and no police presence can only have triggered the looting in other places as the morons thought it looks easy AND it is.

The powers that be in the police have a lot to answer for in their apparent lack of action.



Stonehouse. I came to England from Ireland in the mid 50's and seen the posters in the windows saying

NO IRISH --- No Animals.

I remember joking with a West Indian who was complaining about not being accepted. I told him '' we Irish

like you,because they are now striking out the word Irish on their signs and writing BLACKS ''

DC. The British forces have different rules of engagement even in the Great Britain. Rules for opening fire differ when you cross from England into Scotland or Wales

parkview



Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 11:49

mssg 104



"I think we need to look at the cause before judging. Most of these people rioting i guess can't afford a summer hol in Italy like the PM, probably just about getting enough food to eat"



I don't see them looting there local supermarket for food do you? only Nike, Jewelers, electrical shops, get real!! there are lots of us who cannot afford holidays in Italy but we do not destroy peoples property on the back of it.



It is just an excuse, what do 10 and 14 year olds know about hard times, maybe if most of them had fathers about and some family values it may be different. The news reported a 10 year old at 4:30am raiding a off license, where the hell does his family think he is, they just don't care.



This is the trouble with todays society, they expect something for nothing, not like it used to be where you took any job to earn money. Poverty and hardship is not new. In the second world war looters were shot on sight London....

barbaros


Joined: 03/06/2009
Posts: 171

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 12:13

Parkview



Totally agree with you. Were has RESPECT gone. There is no respect now a days. It starts

in the early stage of life. Nursery and schools. There is no discipline either in schools or

in a lot of case's at home.



These rioters have not shown and regard for the people who have lost everything.



Parents should be held responsible.



In my opinion they should bring in the troops. The police may not have handled this well and lessons

will have to be learnt but I do not see why the police should have to just stand and take the abuse and

the various items being thrown at them. If they hit back they are in the wrong. The do gooders will

be the first to complain.



B

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 12:29

Message 100,



DC where do you get that the London or UK (England) police may not use water cannon by law? My understanding is that it is the police that do not want to and have resisted use of water cannon rubber bullets and CS gas ?



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8197432/Police-could-use-water-cannon-to-disperse-rioters-Theresa-May-says.html

bignobby


Joined: 13/01/2011
Posts: 46

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 12:44

They have no respect but they expect to be respected. I also think they should bring the army, in if they can't put this down soon it will drag on all year and probably become an annual event.

rocking


Joined: 05/11/2008
Posts: 421

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 12:46

Whereas years ago the top brass of the met came through the ranks , now they recruit from universities and then they go into Bramhill College - what do they know of life on the streets. They are taught now (Human Rights) to handle all ethnics with kid gloves - what a laugh - weeks at Hendon being taught 'do not point at a Somalian as this is a great insult' - if they were dealing on the street my boot would go up their arse never mind point a finger. The poor police officer on the streets hands are tied and Theresa May, had not got all the officers she needed the first night because after their 8 hour shift they are told 'stand down' - well they are now on 24 hour shifts. I cried last night seeing the London I was born and brought up in burn - just like I remember in the 1940s God help those poor people.

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 12:52

The rot started from the moment that the police force became the police service and everything now acerbated by human rights dogma.

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 12:53

Well said parkview message 111.



This situation is only going to get worse and the police will be damned whatever stance they take on this.



Watching it on TV this morning, it showed lads talking about what they wanted to get from the shops, making a shopping list in fact.

Worse even was footage of a young guy who was lying on the ground in a pool of blood. A black guy helped him to his feet and was leading him away, when a white thug stopped them and proceeded to take things from the injured lad's backpack!!



Having been unfortunate enough to witness riots in Belfast, in my opinion the army should be called in to deal with this because it will only get worse as the looters get more greedy and violent. They should send for the riot police of the PSNI and give them free reign with water cannons, rubber bullets, tazers or whatever is needed.

Kibris


Joined: 07/11/2007
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 13:04

Message 117:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRCk5o1_opY&feature=player_embedded

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 13:08

i am looking out of my window and

black smoke still covering the sky .



the sony centre still on fire ,last night the flames looked like it was touching the sky.



i really don,t believe the police can protect us.





musin





long live the kktc

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 13:15

They have been looting Morrisons on TV last night, they were stealing food! As they have been in many other areas.

This is not about stealing goods this is discontent with the goverment, police , lack of opportunity and poverty.

There was a guy on TV this lunchtime, he was complaining about the poilce stop and search of black people in his area. He wasn't suprised this happened. We have many black friends in the London UK area, yes they are targetted by the poilce to be searched .

Areas like Hackney and Clapham Junction have been on the edge of something like this for years. Go into those deprived areas and see what goes on in the real word.

You can't blame the parents, blame society for what is happening.

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 13:49

Blade your just the sort of person who is the cause of all this with your "do gooder"" they are all deprived" the police and government need to help them" attitude that has caused the UK to be such a easy target for the rifraf of the world.

How many of these "rioters" are illegals?

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 13:55

Bring in the Army,

If they are taught riot control the same as I was in the sixties when we were called to quell a riot in a far of land our orders were "hit them on the collar bone, it will break , they will go down and be no more trouble"

tarry67


Joined: 16/05/2008
Posts: 1053

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 14:04

It needs a vigilanty on a roof top with a high powered rifle to take a few out, that would keep this scum off the streets.

Sad that lads the same age as these pieces of shit are fighting for them in the army........ all seems a waste of time to me, bring them home to sort these scum out.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 14:07

The Government needs to get a GRIP using any force necessary to do so and stop worrying about bloody human rights - do this people that are doing all this destorying families homes and humiliating them in streets making people strip taking clothes off thei backs care!



that would be NO then ! i am with message 123

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 14:25

Draft in the RUC with their water cannons, rubber bullets and "ways of handling suspects"

parkview



Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 14:26

Blade what rubbish, I lived in Clapham, Brixton and Croydon and I too have many black friends there but you CANNOT blame this sort of thuggery on society, I guarantee it was booze and cigarettes being stolen from the supermarkets, too many kids without fathers around, are you going to blame society of young teenagers having children by several different fathers, the only thing I blame the government for is paying child support to these people. Stop bleating about human rights, look where its got us. What about the human rights of the families and businesses that are now ruined and will probably never be able to afford to open up again. What about the rights of every other citizen than works bloody hard for little money to make ends meet only to have their lives destroyed by some ignorant teenager that thinks the world owes him/her a living. Wake up to what is happening.

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 14:32

these ones are all opportuinists and riff-raffs mixed with the frustrated ones. i heard from the news that they have the hardcore ones(criminals) and the ones who are sort of only protesting(violently) i just feel everyone has failed and every one is to blame in this ..the police are failing ,the government, parents and most of all the youths have lost their minds. lets just hope they can calm them down..

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 14:39

Parkview, funnily enought i have also lived in Clapham, Mitcham and that area in the past. No offence but it has always been a bit of a ghetto, what did you expect.? Its been coming for years.

Last time i was staying with family just up from the junction, the black guys were running a crack house from the shop and flat opposite them. Sat there for days watching them and waiting for the police. They didn't come! They are probably still there, luckily my family members sold and got out.

Over the years decent areas have been rundown and this is the results.

So your black friends don't have any issues with regards to stop and search? Cos all mine do, maybe its an age difference thing?

My personal view is that it doesn't matter if a kid has a father around or not. Its about peer pressure and doing what their mates do.

What have these young people in these areas got to look forward to? What chance in life have they got. A job in a factory maybe?

Wibow


Joined: 10/07/2011
Posts: 97

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 14:45

Reading all these messages.



I must say i'm disgusted that this should be allowed to happen in the UK.



I find myself gobsmacked and unable to discribe my feelings on this whole affair.



Such a terrible shame for everyone who have lost everything.



Well done to the Police force also the fire service who are trying there best in such a difficult time

parkview



Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 14:51

Blade I am the same age as you, and no actually most of my friends don't have a problem with stop and search but that's because they don't hang around in groups in the early hours of the morning wearing hoodies! and intimidate people,



I worked in a factory when I was younger, it did me no harm, I just worked my way up through hard work, but todays generation don't wont to do that, they now they can make more money from a drug deal. I have spoken to them and they have said to my face "why should I work for £60 a day when I can make more than that in an hour doing a deal"



I agree decent areas have been run down but have you not noticed a pattern, when a certain element moved in!



And I do think one parent families have alot to do with it, Don't the parents of these kids wonder were they are in the early hours of the morning.



As for not having anything to look forward to, no, your are right because they have trashed their surrounding and made people wary of employing them

parkview



Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 14:56

How many employers are taken to court by ethnic minorities because they have been sacked for not doing their jobs properly and then the person cries racism, sad but true and too be honest I would have to think twice if I was an employer.



I have been assaulted by 2 black girls and when I took them to court they said I called them the N...... word, which was an absolute lie as I had witnesses, they were shocked when I turned up in court with my boyfriend who was black, then they started on him. I am sorry but the race card and the poor me card is running pretty thin with people. These youngsters have no idea what hardship is.

Vidal


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 867

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 14:59

I think these thugs behave like this because they can..there is no consequence to their actions.

The parents have no control and the police do their best and are then let down by the courts.

There are angry young men all over the world but for most of them, if they behave in this way, there is an uncomfortable consequence.

In the UK..nothing. Slap on the wrist if you are lucky and back on the street by tea time.

These guys are spoilt and lazy, they want the gear but are not prepared to get up in the morning and work for it.



They think they have no hope for the future..sorry but look into the eyes of those kids in Somalia.. now THATS no hope.

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 15:26

Blade. So what is wrong with a job in a factory for a start of a working life ? One of my children started work in a factory for long hours and little pay. Worked hard and became a supervisor, combined evening higher education with the hard work and promoted to middle management. At 39 years of age now a UK sales director for a large PLC company on a large salary and finds it amusing that headhunters are at her door offering even more rewarding and challenging roles. Similarly, a son was a ground worker in all weathers, started with others a landscaping business having spent years learning the flora aspect of that business, is now the contracts manager, and has a directorship of one of the largest landscaping companies in the UK enjoying the income that it brings. A third son earned next to nothing on a farm working in pig styes. Graduated to farm management by attending college and now amongst other things he drives the World's largest combined harvester for big money. No rioting

DoctorW


Joined: 28/11/2010
Posts: 334

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 15:34

Tut, tut Vidal



you seem to think that the ones who get a slap on the wrist are the lucky ones, they most certainly are not they are the unlucky ones. The lucky ones (who appear to be in the majority) get away scot free!!!



To be fair to ethnic minorities in the UK they have been and continue to be discriminated because of their race. However many do use the racism card at the drop of a hat. Unfortunately because of this many of those who are geniunely discriminated against lose out on their claims.

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 16:20

Shocking!!!! Who is actually educating the youth of the UK??? I've seen 5 year olds with a better understanding of the world than these stupid girls!!!



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424



DD

Lufc1



Joined: 16/11/2010
Posts: 46

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 16:20

This just says it all,absolute scum



http://uk.yahoo.com/_ylt=AiMkBCbXohtGv7Q2ZIPhqUk4hJp4;_ylu=X3oDMTQzNG5pZHRhBGEDMDkwODExX25ld3NfYm95X211Z2dlZF9yaW90c190ZXh0BGNwb3MDMQRnA2lkLTQ4MTc4BGludGwDdWsEaXRjAzAEcGtndAMxBHBrZ3YDMwRwb3MDMgRzZWMDdGQtZmVhdARzbGsDdGl0bGUEdGVzdAM3MDIEd29lAzI4MDg1NTMx/SIG=12kinl02b/EXP=1312982214/**http%3A//uk.news.yahoo.com/video--injured-boy-in-riots-mugged.html

annie


Joined: 30/05/2007
Posts: 208

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 17:11

Sorry dont know how to do a link but this is worth wathing



http://youtu.be/fCsrcnUy8ao



Just watched the video, hopefully people like those involved in the clean up get as much publicity as possible let the world know that a majority of the british people do not support the thugs, morons, and sheep ruining our towns and cities. I was really pleased to see the support given to the police on the streets who have an unenviable task ahead.

jimchris09


Joined: 13/02/2009
Posts: 547

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 17:16

It seems Rise of the Planet of the Apes is now showing live in 3D in many places in London, Birmingham, Liverpool and Bristol..and probably in many other towns and cities if something isn't done soon!

Lufc1



Joined: 16/11/2010
Posts: 46

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 17:18

Re MSG 135

Retards

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 17:22

msg 139 agreed!!

cavalryman


Joined: 08/11/2010
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 17:31

Glad to see the police are considering PLASTIC bullets now take note dr w and gsm but will they use them i certainly hope so.Also the dutch used dye in the water cannon so they were easily identifyable.Course the do gooders on here will say they are only deprived citizens having a lawfull protest.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 17:37

@ msg 141, Cavalryman: (...) Also the dutch used dye in the water cannon so they were easily identifyable. (...)



▶ To be more precise, cavalryman: the dye or paint can not be washed off for a couple of days. And so 'they' were not only easily identifiable - they were picked up the same night, next day or the day after.

But what good can Holland do on this board..?!

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 17:38

cavalaryman; If the riot police used those in the past, things would not have gotten out of hand so far. So by switching to using those now, it is an indirect admission of us being right in our earlier arguments. But is it too little, too late? Remains to be seen...

cavalryman


Joined: 08/11/2010
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 17:57

You are both correct we can learn fro the dutch and whoever can help reclaim the streets it no good blamin this govt for this the rot set in over 10 years ago it has nothing to do with deprivation of our youth these are feral scum nothing else.People coming on here and saying he was a child of 17 why did they search him they can search who they want they are policefor gods sake.Look at the 14 year old children that shot the 5 year old in march ring any bells? you people that spout your rubbish about the kids have no prospects and are bored are part of the problem in this country.And before you start spouting about the home sec just think what the rest have been like to get where we are now.And to spout on about her buying a car from you i wonder what her side of the story was.Remmber all the labour ministers that had to resign for fraud and still got there job back twice.The last time we had a woman running the country it was worth living here lets hope this one has BXLLS too .

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 17:58

We should follow the chinese example in tinaman square, or the Sirians, or the Irianians, they would think twice then, but we'd have too many lefto pink faggots crying and shouting about abuse but ignoring the abuse of the rioters on the decent British people !!!!!!

parkview



Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 17:59

Totally agree cavalryman...

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 18:01

Sorry I forgot the misguided do gooder, idiot, out of touch, social workers who don't think these destroyers of our beloved country have done any wrong.

cavalryman


Joined: 08/11/2010
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 18:04

Yorg This has happened in france, greece, usa and cyprus in the very recent time but in the uk they know they can get away with it.I must correct myself here i should have said england as we have had no problems here in scotland and none in wales to my knowledge.Its sad for people to say its a uk thing.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 18:07

RE msg 147, halffull: (...) Sorry I forgot the misguided do gooder, idiot, out of touch, social workers who don't think these destroyers of our beloved country have done any wrong. (...)



▶ Hindsight. Maybe you or at least a lot of other people from my generation in EUROPE were all there when the tide changed - and we didn't do a thing at the time. We'll ALL pay the price.

cavalryman


Joined: 08/11/2010
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 18:08

Halfful lefto pink faggots ooooh slap on the wrist coming soon I fear lol.They probably all work in haringay

Chelpet


Joined: 10/03/2010
Posts: 253

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 18:22

Can anyone recall a certain "Enoch Powell" and his rivers of blood speech, funny how things spin round and bite you in the arse.

Perhaps it would have been better if the "Windrush" was torpeded before it reached Tilbury in 1948.

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 18:27

Dutch, you are right, the 60s were fun but I still brought my kids up to know right from wrong and a left hander never went amiss when rarely required!

I am glad to say they have (are) bringing their kids up with respect , morals and ambition.

cavalryman


Joined: 08/11/2010
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 18:48

Just to show the different styles of policing in the eu spanish police have just used rubber bullets in lloret de mar. Why you might ask ans because they would not stop partying and go home.Why is it different for their police or do they ignore the human rights act?

DoctorW


Joined: 28/11/2010
Posts: 334

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 19:05

Why do members keep using the old Enoch Powell speech, totally out of context.



It would be useful if the members who quote it read it and then use it in its correct context:



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643826/Enoch-Powells-Rivers-of-Blood-speech.html



you will see that this speech has nothing to do with what is happening now. As a prophet Powell has been proved to be totally inept, although at the time his speech greatly contributed to unrest between the white and black communities. It was also seen as the inspiration by John Tyndall wh went on to form the National Front.



All I can say is anyone who would torpedo a boat full of innocent people of any race, can be no better than the scum who are rioting.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 19:06

Re Message 135

God help the country if this is the future generation, but why are these young idiots out there drinking looted wine at 9.30 in the morning, where are their parents, what about their responsibility. That is one of the reasons for the problems today, too many parents won't take responsibility for their own children, they certainly don't teach them respect, consideration, right from wrong, if they aren't taught they can't learn.

That is not to excuse them, they also have to take responsibility for their own actions, but they must be punished accordingly, far too many do gooders finding excuses for these" poor deprived young people".

The useless government must deal with this situation now, they should send the troops on to the streets, no softly, softly, then when they round the young thugs up ship them over to Afghanistan for a two year stretch and a reality check.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 19:10

@ msg 152, halffull: (...) I am glad to say they have (are) bringing their kids up with respect , morals and ambition. (...)



▶ Halffull, please don't take me wrong: I didn't want to insinuate anything else than you wrote. I'm glad I can share your statement when I look at my children - but unfortunately it's the only thing and the best we can do.

How many parents (in your and my native country) can say the same..?! Per year we are becoming a smaller minority. 16.000 (!) Police Officers in London tonight will only try to avoid new problems - the underlying problem will remain.

It's the usual reply of the weakened European democracies: "hide the problem".

I'm very sombre.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 19:33

ipcc ; no evidence to show that mark duggan opened fire at police before he was shot.



one of the officers felt he was in danger for his life ,shot mr duggan in the chest ,his second shot hit him in the shoulder which went through and hit another policeman in his radio.



maybe the shoot to kill policy is making some police trigger happy,who knows.



musin



long live the kktc

DoctorW


Joined: 28/11/2010
Posts: 334

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 19:39

Haven't seen the IPCC report yet, but as far as I am concerned if he was holding a gun then the police should shoot him before he takes their lives.

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 19:40

Let us not forget, Mark Duggan was carrying a gun and was known to police, you carry a gun then expect the consequences when challenged.

eyebob


Joined: 22/06/2010
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 19:50

Racist or not, the majority are black youths hell bent on destruction and robbery, as we cannot deport them for fear of infringing their human rights, I suggest machine -gunning ther lot of them!!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 19:52

@ msg 159, halffull: (...) Let us not forget, xxxx xxxx was carrying a gun (...)



▶ ANYONE carrying an ILLEGAL gun, anywhere in Europe, should be considered a gangster, terrorist or enemy of decent people.

Such men/women should be shot and questions asked later.

I hope it happens tonight in London (16.000 police men - can you believe it?) and other cities.

Simhar


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 227

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:03

eyebob msg 160 - that is simply not true! this is not a race thing this is just youth causing mayhem! look at the videos and reports. Do not make this into a race issue that will just deflect from what is happening in London. I have family and a business in one of the badly hit areas and my staff report that there are as many white youths as black

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:04

Now we have a death. A man who was injured has now died. Did anyone see the shot when a young lad had been attacked, A black youth got him to his feet and his mates ran off with the kids rucksack. His blood was all over the floor, his clothing covered in it, No took his only things he had and left him to it x

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:22

Reported now on UTV news that the PSNI have offered their TRAINED riot police to help with the riots in London, along with their armoured landrovers and water cannons. They also recommend using baton rounds to quell the rioting.



Let's see if the offer will be accepted, or will the British Government uphold the Human Rights Law.???



Today is the 40th anniversary of internment and the people who were interned ( I admit that there were SOME who were innocent ) are now expecting compensation for their treatment while in custody.



Guess what, they are now lighting bonfires and rioting in Belfast just now.

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:24

Wish I could afford a Blackberry, the same as these thugs used to organise these riots, robberies and mindless distruction. These "poor, hard done by, deprived terrorists!!!!!

Terrorists because they terrorised the communities they rampaged through and destroyed.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:27

The sooner the legal system is updated in the UK the better. What's going to happen to these people that they've caught - zilch, nothing. They'll get a small fine and a warning.



Bring back conscription or the birch.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:29

Now it's all kicked off in the Midlands - in broad daylight the thugs are going going mad.



No doubt the do gooders will be saying it's society's fault as they can't get jobs and gave nothing else to do!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:30

Bally Im so sorry to hear about Belfast. We dont need the faer from terrorists anymore. Just mindless youths on social network and social benefits to create a total breakdown. Halfful see them outside any job centre on their blackberris, iphones etc. God the poor people living amongst it all. Jeaz I was brough up to be afraid of the police, the priest and anyone else in authority. No shame was ever brought to the door but if it had been, the hiding would have been worsexx

dearie


Joined: 08/03/2011
Posts: 142

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:59

Unfortunately - this was only a matter of Time



Spare the rod and ruin the child - lack of parental control, lack of boundaries. Social responsibility zero. Media telling society if you want this you can have it. But how do people EARN the money to buy these things. A decline in all things is responsible. Bobby ON the beat interacting with the community - I could go on and on but I need to get off the soap box - Speakers Corner is crowded .

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 21:06

@ msg 164, Ballyboffin: (...) armoured landrovers and water cannons. (...)

▶ Dear Ballyboffin, I quoted from British law today, but obviously it was'nt read:

"The police in England - BY LAW - is not allowed to use water cannons".

P.S. The only police force in the UK, allowed to use water cannons, is the Northern Irish (or Ulster if you prefer it) police force.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 21:18

Message 169. Top Post. Totally agree.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 21:22

I'm sure I heard a news report say that "it would take a year to train the Police to use Water Cannons"



Surely I heard that wrong!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 21:28

Its just been made so easy for that group of people. Im sorry to caterogise but thats they way it is. Now blaming a PDM system what is that. A group messaging platform they say. Blackberry messaging system . God they can afford that. I watched an eposoide of Jermy Kyle when back a 17 year old was on her 8th pregnancy. She got a home at 16 , she lost every one as she drank and smoked to do so. She was so messed up . Thats where we are seeing this lot from that generation of mothers at 14/15/16 never worked, they wont know a dad, lots of boyfriends of mum. They see the easy way out for them . We have to blame the system. Now the hurt the oldest weakest fraction whom have worked their lives, educated the kids. Paid taxes etc . It beggars beleif

dearie


Joined: 08/03/2011
Posts: 142

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 21:29

Thanks No1Doyen - I speak from experience having worked with children whose parents were very lacking in lots of areas and we because of Council Policy - Political Policy were just a sticking plaster !!!!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 21:32

Hi West Brom and Manchester now getting it London quiet

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 21:41

Why should anyone be surprised that many young whites follow the lead of coloured bling merchants, ape their street pigeon language, and copy lawlessness. For years parents complained that British children were a minority in many UK schools and were being groomed in a lifestyle foreign to all right minded parents. The PC brigade have since added to the shambles by encouraging and condoning unacceptable behavior.

LittleQueenie


Joined: 20/04/2011
Posts: 107

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 22:33

Message 176



Very true- I am always confused where some of these kids got their accents/dialect from.. So attitude, ideals etc are not going to be far behind if they are 'copying' their peers

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 22:34

David Cameron -

"I am granting the Metropolitan Police emergency powers to use water cannons, rubber bullets and tear gas to take back control of our streets from these ponsing parasites biting the hand that feeds them. In addition I am deploying the British Army as a visible presence to provide the authority that is so very lacking."



.....Carlsberg don't do Prime Ministers...    

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 22:39

Ahh but he is having a meeting tomorrow at 9.00am to talk some more !

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 22:50

DC, message 170.



"Dear Ballyboffin, I quoted from British law (LAW) today, but obviously it was'nt (WASN'T) read;"



" The police in England - BY Law =? is (ARE) not allowed to use water cannons...."



There are armoured landrovers and water cannons (....) here in Northern Ireland (ULSTER) that could be deployed anywhere in the UK. The British Government only have to appoint a dispensation in the courts for them to be used on the mainland. And in my opinion this has become a war situation, soon a bloodbath.

cavalryman


Joined: 08/11/2010
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 22:53

Well a leader at last thank god its not blair brown or the the milliband children

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 22:58

police sirens have been going on now for the last 10 mins in enfield ,but not as bad as last night.









musin





long live the kktc

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 23:12

I think your all mad, most towns and city's throughout the UK are having there usual quiet peaceful evening! rang all my family in the London Borough's and they are all ok!



And good old Boris has cleaned up with his brush (now he's come back off his holiday) along with David !!!!



musin hopefully the Police sirens will be quiet for you tonight so you can get some sleep! you seem like you could do with a good nights kip!



Long Live the KFC! water pistols at the ready!!!!!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 01:49

@ msg 180, Ballyboffin: Je m'enfou ce que vous écrivez, madame/monsieur. Pardonnez moi : je ne peux pas parler en la langue Anglaise avec des gens comme vous.

bertieboss


Joined: 22/07/2011
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 03:10

Ballyboffin - you are still not out of the woods in NI despite decades of taxpayers money wasted due to sectarianism.

What exactly is it you think the PSNI can do better than proper cops?

I do not think we need advice from "Ulstermen"

You're a laughing stock !!

magicart


Joined: 05/10/2008
Posts: 985

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 08:44

I must confess for the first time in my life I feel ashamed of my country.



Watching trained police officers" back off from young thugs" just makes my blood boil.



We must be the laughing stock of the world!



Art

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 08:59

well have you watched the news this morning - a community are now gathering together to clean up the mess - so whilst actions of rioting have been shameful it is uplifting that the rest of people are getting together to clean up the mess and fight back agaisnt these stupid mindless idiots! who with the attidue I have got it so I will take it !



So Hans not all are bad in the UK like you seem to think it is the same througout the world

bondi


Joined: 12/07/2007
Posts: 116

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 09:07

All quiet on South London front now - yesterday all shops, offices etc were sending staff home and closing on advice from authorities, there was an air of eery silence as people spewed out onto the streets to go home at around 2pm. The previous night Sainsburys, Blockbusters and a few local shops had windows smashed and stock taken but not as bad as some areas. We wait and see- many neighbours/residents were fearful of just popping out for ciggies or provisions - hopefully today will see some normality. Unfortunately the trouble has moved onto other towns and cities and no doubt there will be months of post mortems on why, what, how and when this occurred. I had to admire the Turkish community who came out in force and chased off what could have been a really bad incident - Good on them.



If the establishment etc does not get a grip of this we could see vigilantism take hold and if police are not protecting the communities that is what will happen.

barbaros


Joined: 03/06/2009
Posts: 171

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 09:14

The courts are handling 100's of cases today but what will the outcome be.



How many will receive serious sentences?



Prison Hotel? Will any sentence be a deterant I doubt it.



Well done to the communities coming together and standing up to this scum.



B

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 09:36

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14470017



And IF they are brought to justice this is what they can look forward to. Locked up for too long every day, conditions not good. In the opinion of the do gooders.



If you read the report further down it says there are no complaints about food, general and mental health services amongst others!



So what is their problem if they live rent free, don't go on waiting lists for health services, get well fed! Probably have a first class library, gym etc.



If they do the crime I would take all those privileges away and make them work bloody hard like they used to do with the chain gangs.



Chris

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 09:43

I think your right Chris. Life for many of them will be better inside than out. Shame it has had to come to this.

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 09:52

Blade,

In 1994 I was doing sociology and psychology and spent a day in Shotts Prison Lanarkshire. I at that time worked in Law Hospital Carluke which was very old and now closed down.

This being a high security prison, these guys lived in the lap of luxury. BUT a few months previous to me being there they had lodged a formal complaint with the Scottish Office as they had mince and potatoes for 2 days. These and all their meals were served in cardboard type take away boxes as they had wrecked all the dishes and cutlery when they rioted. They have a library that would put public libraries in the area to shame. They had a massive gym like I have never seen before or since. A lot of them were repeat offenders for a variety of crimes, they came back because they had a good life inside, no responsibilities or debts to worry about. At that time they even complained about the fact that their babies nappies were searched, why, because thats how the drugs were smuggled in. (Cont)

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 09:54

So that is why I say put them in prison with hard labour as a deterrent and stop pussy footing around them! Lots of the money spent in these places could be spent on worthwhile things like Cancer research and improving health services for law abiding citizens.



Rant over.



Chris

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 10:04

DC message 170 I have asked before what proof do you have that,



""The police in England - BY LAW - is not allowed to use water cannons".



The Pm has yesterday authorised the use of, and that is not by changing any "law"

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 10:16

I once visited the public Library in Ipswich searching for books on Japanese Gardening and building of Koi ponds as such books would be full of coloured photography and very expensive to buy. My searches revealed that dozens of books on these subjects were on loan to local prisons. I paid to order them for when they became available but after several months the library admitted that they were on permanent loan to these prisons notwithstanding that they had taken money from me to go on a waiting list. I then made a search on their computers for books on varying subjects and discovered that more were on loan to prisons than to the public. So it seems that the taxes I have paid for the upkeep of public libraries were used for what should be the prison budget. The distribution of the Suffolk tax monies also placed books in Norwich prison which is of course in Norfolk. I now understand what the expression "crime does not pay" means ie "criminals do not pay" !

parkview



Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 12:31

I would cut their hands off, wont be able to steal again would they!



The biggest problem in society today with youngsters is there is no Fear, whats stops any one of us committing a crime, its fear of being caught. Fear of the shame it would bring to our families, fear that we would have a criminal record etc. These youngsters know that they will get a slap on the wrist and some of them will not even get punished as they are under age.



The older generation blacks were god fearing people and they were strict with their children, unfortunately it is the young mothers having children in many cases by several different fathers, there is no discipline in the homes and no strong black leaders to guide these kids. I would love to have seen Black sportsmen, rappers and actors saying publicly that what they are doing is wrong, and it is making it bad for the rest of the decent blacks living in the UK who are trying to make a decent living.

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 12:52

people of today are scared to discipline their kids because all the do gooders in the uk,when i was at school we use to get the belt taken to us,and we dare not come home and tell our parents or we would get belted from them too.kids have nothing to fear,theres no limits for them,they can do whatever they like and it can only get worse.There is no respect anywhere.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 15:30

Well just heard on BBC news that one person arrested in Croydon was in fact a school teacher. The BBC reported also asked several kids why they were doing it they answered because we can. He then asked does your parent know where you are, answer No but they wouldnt say anything anyway. He also asked how would you feel if it was your home and family being looted, answe I go after them and kill them.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 17:49

it is most important the wrongdoers actually get caught and punished...

that will take away the element of fun, a principal object of the exercise



I would allow a 50% sentence reduction for agreeing to participate in a

consultation/workshop programme about the reasons behind these acts

so they can understand better why they feel a buzz



legalising all drugs:



although few of us want to end up like amey winehouse, at the moment

the drugs trade is funneling billions of pounds to gangsters, dealers,

terrorists, the taliban, drug lords and the gremlins ruling north korea



making drug use a purely personal choice would pull the rug from

under the feet of all these and legitimate companies would be happy

to make up the slack, with positive results for treatment and hygene



and no, I don't think most people would end up as dope fiends

and anyway you can drink, smoke and argue about cyprus solutions

until you die as it is

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 17:56

I think parents have to take most of the blame. They haven't brought their children up in a respectful manner.



Forget all this tosh about coming from a poor background or from a broken home - respect costs nothing.