everyone who wants to blame the ethnic minorities for the uk riots

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 19:05

in your inner mmind you feel it was mostly the ethnic minorities( black youths of course) go on, have your say here..

pembecik


Joined: 20/04/2011
Posts: 33

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 19:12

I think white people are in the minority in London these days!

DoctorW


Joined: 28/11/2010
Posts: 334

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 19:13

Unfortunately there will be many on here who blame the ethnic minorities. You may have seen a post where someone pointed out that a lot of the rioting youths were white only to receive the reply 'well theres a lot of eastern europeans there'



So far in London it has only been the Turkish community that has stood up and defended their properties against the rioters. I salute them and wish my countrymen both black and white would take a similar stand

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 19:18

appreciate your replies

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 19:20

Lagosboy: your nickname suggests that you are from Lagos (Nigeria). I really don't want to be taught lessons from someone of a country where after 50 years of humanitarian aid people are still starving (remember the beginning: "Help Biafra"?). From a country where the worst Internet crooks were born and bred.

No racism, because you may be the fine exception, but, please, I'm really fed up with "Nigerians". Ask your fellow countrymen how come - if you don't believe me.

DoctorW


Joined: 28/11/2010
Posts: 334

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 19:24

pembecik,



I dont realise from what you are saying whether you believe mainly black people or not are involved in the riots?



If you believe there are more immigrants than english, do you believe statistically this would be the case?



For your information, from the 2007 census 71% of Londons population were white! 60% of those were British.



Many of the ethnic minorities were born in Britain and see themselves as British.



It maybe with this knowledge you would be prepared to answer the question?

bigjuss


Joined: 09/09/2010
Posts: 221

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 19:29

'71% of londons population are white' which london have you been to?

DoctorW


Joined: 28/11/2010
Posts: 334

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 19:31

Hans



I think you do yourself and lagosboy an injustice. Yes there is a lot of corruption in Nigeria and amongst Nigerians, however I have worked with people of many nationalities including Nigerians who have gone on to be good and trusted friends. I dont think we should ever judge people by race, colour or creed.



As the old Apache saying goes 'Never judge a man until you have walked a mile in his moccasins'

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 19:32

dutch i see where you are coming from,,ther are bad people from everywher in the world..as for internet crooks, do you know they dont fraud by themselves , they need some technology so who do you think provides them with it. answer, international hackers..and dont be fed up just live your life

DoctorW


Joined: 28/11/2010
Posts: 334

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 19:36

Bigjuss,



the same one as you.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_London



There is so much statistical information obtainable if you just look.



It appears that the keyboards of many of the members here engage before their brains.

pembecik


Joined: 20/04/2011
Posts: 33

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 19:43

DrW

It was a light hearted comment!



I remember when I was young we used to go to London and play 'spot the black man' (I know very politically incorrect!)



As bigjuss says, its a lot different these days.

SaraD


Joined: 12/07/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 19:43

It is not just the Turkish community that have protected themselves, Sikhs have as have many others.

DoctorW


Joined: 28/11/2010
Posts: 334

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 19:45

pembecik



not a very nice thing to make a joke about - was it?

pembecik


Joined: 20/04/2011
Posts: 33

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 19:47

Drw

Get over it!

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 19:49

these ones are all opportuinists and riff-raffs mixed with the frustrated ones. i heard from the news that they have the hardcore ones(criminals) and the ones who are sort of only protesting(violently) i just feel everyone has failed and every one is to blame in this ..the police are failing ,the government, parents and most of all the youths have lost their minds. lets just hope they can calm them down this night

rocking


Joined: 05/11/2008
Posts: 421

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 19:56

Agree with message 2 - if you think it say it. Half the problem with tacking the last 3 nights riots was that police have their hands tied (I know) they are to go softly softly especially if they are coloured ('uman rights) well sod human rights. People were jumping out of their flats 2 floors up - what about their human rights. Enough is enough. We (I speak for myself here) have all been skint. Qualified secretary but took cleaning job am on to office then worked as barmaid until 11 pm. All those 'deprived' black communities seem to be able to have the up to minute i pods and trainers. Again agree with message 2 and 14. I lived in Lambeth Walk for years and shopped in Brixton until it was too unsafe to do so.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:01

@ msg 8, DoctorW: (...) I think you do yourself and lagosboy an injustice. Yes there is a lot of corruption in Nigeria and amongst Nigerians, (...)



▶ DoctorW, with my respect: I've worked in several African countries many times and I don't believe in ANY future for this continent since many years. Except for the weather and here and there the food - there is NOTHING positive I can remember. And I'm very nice now (against my nature), because the details wouldn't please some here.

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:04

so what are you sayin? only coloured people were looting?





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRCk5o1_opY



dont just say things

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:05

and what do you agree about message 14

rocking


Joined: 05/11/2008
Posts: 421

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:08

I do not 'just say things' lagosboy - I have lived amongst them and know what the police have to do, my husband (ethnic) was in met and other members of my family - I do know what I am talking about I assure you. There are whites amongst them of course but look at pictures published in papers asking people to identify these people - most are blacks.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:12

I have to say though that the great british spirt came out to help with cleaning up the streets. Now they are putting an appeal out to parents to check if their kids have new trainers etc and report them Yeah Right x

Riddles


Joined: 26/04/2011
Posts: 429

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:14

Dutch Crusader ...the England v Holland game tonight has been cancelled ...had it gone ahead what % of players representing those countries do you think would have been from first, second or third generation immigrants to them?



"It has long been impossible to imagine the Dutch national squad without footballers from the Surinamese or Moroccan immigrant communities, but the under-17 team is even more ethnically diverse. It includes young men whose ethnic roots are Dutch, Bosnian, Surinamese, Antillean, Moroccan, Tunisian, Congolese, Ghanaian, Angolan and Ivorian."



"63 black players have appeared for England through to the match against Switzerland on 4 June 2011. The first black player at senior level, Viv Anderson, was the 936th player to appear for England since their first match in 1872. The most recent black player to make his England debut, Danny Welbeck, was the 1174th player to appear for England.



Is this a sign of failure in your opinion?

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:21

dutch, africa might seem unproductive to you. but it need s time hav you really been in urban parts of would you mind telling where you worked in africa and what type of job you did..africa is growing and dont just say things( in your case out of dislike)

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:23

Lagosboy. Your English is getting better the more times you post.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:34

@ msg 23, lagosboy: (...) dutch, africa might seem unproductive to you. but it need s time hav you really been in urban parts of would you mind telling where you worked in africa and what type of job you did..africa is growing and dont just say things( in your case out of dislike) (...)



▶ "Africa needs time"? Another 2000 years or so? Tell me ONE positive development, Lagosboy. The never ending story is war or a dry season = hunger = millions dying = another TV teardrop programme = money = and yeah... IT WILL NEVER END. MONEY THROWN INTO A WELL WITHOUT A BOTTOM.



Off topic, but you asked: I worked as a journalist in Africa (also) and I don't believe any stories about that part of the world anymore - because I've seen the reality. Sorry, Lagosboy.

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:34

dont think it was ever bad. and i bet you cant beat me in an english test never gotten below A+ all english exams. might have made mistakes but just typos

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:36

Message 26. You'd lose your money!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:39

msg 24 Bill I wonder why x

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:41

dutch about hunger thats somalia and i HATE it when people talk africa like its a country. for - sake its a continent so dont classify be specific.. ther is hunger in somalia i know but not like africa is hungry.. and our underdevelopment could be blamed on exploitation by the western world, corruption by our leaders and bad media...from journalists like you.. why dont you make reports on the good side.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:42

I know where my money's going.



Interesting point Bill, about lagosboy's English improving with each post.



Mind you, with 44 messages in less than a day, he's getting plenty of practice

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:50

i know you want an applaude or gift card for your 2776 messages..sadly no applaudes or gift cards for that

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:53

lagosboy - sadly, no A+ for you for your last posting, either

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:54

jeannie LOL xxxxxxxxxxx

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:57

Lagosboy, I lived and worked in Africa for 34 years (South Africa, Lesotho, Zambia, Botswana and Rhodesia) and with the exception of Botswana as soon as the black governments took over the country started on the downhill slope. And yes I do believe that the majority of the looters/yobs are from non white sections of the population.

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 20:58

what are the smileys for? they dont compensate the fact that you are not nice.

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 21:04

msg 34



thats a fact about the black governments and the slope..but the slope occured because funding and trade declined and every one just wants to hear africa is bad so the media give people what they want. but i know africa just needs time

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 21:07

msg 34



you are also beign ethnocentrist



western countries are far older than african countries in terms of civilisation e.g nigeria is just 50 years old civilised while america is about 150 but with technology and change we dont nee 100 years to catch up..there is vision 2020 for africa..i am not trying to advocate its just annoying when people make ignorant comments

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 21:10

lagosboy - oh, come on - where's your sense of humour?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 21:14

@ msg 29, Lagosboy: (...) bad media...from journalists like you.. why dont you make reports on the good side. (...)



▶ OK. Give me the facts for a good report. But don't think I can forget the facts I've seen.

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 21:26

i can give you on and on.. have you seen white lions( very peacefull animals) there is a resort in s.a that you live in cabins and these white lions just lay peacefully around, nice weather, a beach in short, its a really wonderful resort ..why dont you make reports bout vacations in africa. how about how nigeria stopped militancy in the niger delta( many countries cant handle those types of militants).. how about the strongest economy in africa s.a ..i am not a journalist but i can make a few good reports..and all journalists want to show about africa is somalia..people who came for 2010 world cup still visit south africa coz it was amazing..there are many positive stories in africa you just dont look

dearie


Joined: 08/03/2011
Posts: 142

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 21:34

The thing about statistics is they can always be manipulated - 71% white - that doesn't mean they are British born and bred - they can be mixed up with all sorts

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 21:37

@ msg 40, lagosboy: Sigh. (...) and all journalists want to show about africa is somalia..people who came for 2010 world cup still visit south africa coz it was amazing (...)



▶ Somalia? Last financial update in Holland, a couple of days ago, was 20 million Euros "Somalia Help". Now you tell me how many times before the people in Europe were asked for financial aid? People in Europe are getting "Africa Aid Tired", believe me.



▶ And I can hardly believe that you are serious when you even dare to mention Nigeria and the river Niger delta! A country where women are still stoned for plain human behaviour. You're lucky, I happen to know about Nigeria more than about Zwaziland (although having 80 wifes by the local potentate is not quite normal in my opinion).



Dear friend, write about the positive aspects of this lost continent any time you wish.

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 21:38

I would bring back the birch.....................

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 21:46

lie..women are never stoned in nigeria, not for 20 years now..and that was only done in remote villages people didnt even know about it was journalists like you that hyped it( coz its rare to happen)



i can see you are just beign impossible, i give good points and then you frustrate them . just starting all over with the bad news.. i agree somalia is troubled but its just a little fraction in africa. i wount comment on africa again.

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 21:49

not justifying the price of swaziland but king solomon had 1000. he wasnt african. and i hear of some polygamous groups in parts of usa not african..the wives thing shoudnt be a case

DoctorW


Joined: 28/11/2010
Posts: 334

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 21:50

dearie



if you read the post I say statistics show that 71% are white but almost 60% are British. As I explain the statistics also tell us the remainder are ethnic minorities. This does not mean they are all newly arrived immigrants, a substantial amount of these ethnic minorities will have been born in Britain and will be British citizens and proud to be so. Unfortunately statistics dont give a full view of what percentage of each ethnic minority are British born, but it shouldnt be beyond your capabilities to look at the rate of immigration over the years and work out a rough figure.



Please let me know how you think they are manipulated, I havent attempted to twist figures I have simply quoted them.

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 21:57

Dutch I'm on your side , I have been to several African countries and Rhodesia was the "food bowl" of Africa before independance and look at it now, the dust bowl. South Africa in the 60s one of the richest countries in the world, now one of the crime capitals where there is a murder every minute. I have seen warehouses of food rotting in Mogiditue (sorry can't remember the spelling) when the people are starving on the streets.

We pour millions of pounds of aid into that continent and 90% of it is wasted and very little is appreciated.

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 22:01

msg 47



if i were to grade your ignorance you would get a scholarship

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 22:08

Thought this were supposed to be about UK riots ?

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 22:12

JohnW the figures are wrong 71 per cent brits last I saw this was made up of a loy of Irish x

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 22:13

Like the extent of your response really imaginative!!

Riddles


Joined: 26/04/2011
Posts: 429

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 22:17

Dutch Crusader

Mesaage 22?

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 22:17

Lilli



I can't find where I've posted on this thread. What do you mean?

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 22:24

msg 53 ,she meant doctorw





msg51 i appreciate your comment

DoctorW


Joined: 28/11/2010
Posts: 334

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 22:28

Lilli,



it was I who posted the statistics, which were correct: If you reread the post you will see that I quote 71% white and 60% British (actually just under but I rounded figures up). And yes the 71% did include Irish and other white nationalities.



Again reread the post and follow the links I believe you will find the statistics correct correct.

climakool


Joined: 09/11/2008
Posts: 190

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 22:33

all of the people that are rioting here are low life scumbags -whatever their ethnic they are still scumbags - answer that one - now people are gonna say they have been deprived of something - well i work every day & pay taxes to pay these scumbags benefits - stick that in your pipe & smoke it - it aint about what colour u are its about respect which unfortunately they dont have !!!!!!!

DoctorW


Joined: 28/11/2010
Posts: 334

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 22:53

climakool,



I agree completely, whatever colour there is no excuse for what is happening. They need to be crushed quickly and finally, to enable the country to get back to normal.



Riot is an offence under Section 1 of the Public Order Act 1986 punishable by up to 10 years imprisonment. However this charge is rarely used by police as under the Act the Local Police Authority are statutorily liable to pay compensation for loss and damage caused by riot:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot#Current_English_law



So dont expect the Police to charge anyone for riot!

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 23:02

Well said message 56



Sick to death of the excuses made for the violent and criminal behaviour witnessed.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 23:08

Msg 56 I would like to deprive them of something,................ their breath

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 23:22

Charge them under the terrorism act, they are terrorising the local community and destroying property, so they are terrorists.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 23:34

The British legal system is too antiquated - it needs a thorough overhaul.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 23:36

No1Doyen (mess 61)



Perhaps you should also be fighting for the TRNC antiquated Legal system - it needs a thorough overhaul.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 23:48

TRNCvictim. You are so right.

Sid447


Joined: 15/05/2009
Posts: 141

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 00:12

"The British legal system is too antiquated - it needs a thorough overhaul."



Beg to differ! ....Singapore is doing exceptionally well on a system that is based on old English Law iirc.



Modern British Law has become too politically correct and soft along with the rest of society.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 01:20

It's all too soft. STILL too many Brits are living in the past of yesterday. But "THEY" don't care about your past, THEY don't care about the values your parents taught you in "THE UK".

Two more days and it will be "easy and relaxed" again. No more burnings, no more looting.

BUT: it's mouldering, it's burning stiill.

Don't fool yourselves.

Look around you in Europe. Brits, sorry, but you are nothing special in 2011. You ARE part of the decline of EUROPE.

I very much doubt whether there's still some time left to save your beloved "Britishness".

DON'T FOOL YOURSELVES.

You (and other European populations) are on the brink of the final collapse.

Sorry to bother you with history but it is all known - if you want to know.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 01:48

Msg 65 , as a great knowledge on the past



what is your opinion on exchange land ?

bertieboss


Joined: 22/07/2011
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 03:17

DC - you're not into white supremacy are you - like many others on this forum?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 03:32

@ msg 67, bertieboss: (...) DC - you're not into white supremacy are you - like many others on this forum? (...)



▶ No, not at all. Im a free thinker in the very modest shade of Friedrich Nietzsche - my mind and liberal thoughts are mine. But I know the history of the decline of several Empires and I will not be a helpless part of the decline of the European "Empire" (Community) - which has now become inevitable.

In Western Europe the UK is the last bastion that now shudders and will come down. Sad, but what is new in history?

DoctorW


Joined: 28/11/2010
Posts: 334

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 08:27

Hans



You say you will not be a helpless part of the decline of the European empire which has now become inevitable. Pardon the pedantics, but if it is inevitable wont we all be a helpless part?

barbaros


Joined: 03/06/2009
Posts: 171

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 09:30

Dr W



I don't dispute what you are saying re statistics I would just like to say in my opinion those figures do not

take into account the illegals in the Uk I think those numbers would make a considerable difference.



B

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 09:52

I don't think you can yet make an informed judgement on who ethnic wise was doing this. I saw pictures of both white and black people involved. Once they have the arrests then we will know more about which group if any were doing this.

As for them being hardened criminals, hardened criminals in London would have been out in force with guns, if that were the case it would have been a different story to rioting and looting.

As for blaming the British youth you will just have to wait and see. I don't think they are much different form any other group of young people elsewhere in europe.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 09:56

mess 1 - all i know is that if we hadn't let all these "ethnic minorities" in in the forst place, there would have been no riots.........



our immigration policy sucks.........





Maybe we should have followed the way Australia does it ??

essexdan


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 70

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 10:24

IMO it is a race problem that has been coming for years and will only get worse as this scum will become (if not already) parents and drag their off spring up as they have been.



As for Nigerians, i worked in banking in the east end of london for many years and back in the 80's we put posters up , No Nigerian Accounts Welcome - such was the level of fraud.



However they were soon caught up by those descending from Ghana, with the last fraud i dealt with amounting to millions of pounds.



Britain has become a dumping ground for undesirables from around the globe and proved ineffective in dealing with it - generations forward will pay for the multiracial harmony bullshit ....

mistymoppet


Joined: 29/07/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 10:37

I don't generally think it's people being racist because they hat foreigners.

I think that people generally from UK are just sick to death of having families etc coming from overseas and being able to claim endless benefits having never contributed to UK society.

That people are frustrated they can't find work yet we are still allowing people to come work in UK and work in jobs that don't require huge skills. That as Uk nationals you are not allowed to be proud to be British and that we seem to alter our country and laws to fit in with the immigrants rather than the other way round.So when they see perceived immigrants behaving badly they are angry and easy targets to vent their anger.

People really should be lashing out at the government, not one party or another as this has been down to all parties over many years rather than blaming immigrants for taking advantage of the UK's immigration policy and making a better life for themselves.

DoctorW


Joined: 28/11/2010
Posts: 334

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 10:41

NN



all i know is that if we hadn't let all these "ethnic minorities" in in the first place, there would have been no riots.........



The Riot Act of 1714 was enacted, yes youve guessed it!!, to deal with riots. I hardly think that ethnic minorities were even considered in those days.



Riots arent the result of mass immigration, they have been here as long as civilisation.

Sid447


Joined: 15/05/2009
Posts: 141

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 11:15

DC



"... the world has seen the last spasms of the once great British Empire...."



"... the UK is the last bastion that now shudders and will come down...."



"... STILL too many Brits are living in the past of yesterday...."



"... Brits, sorry, but you are nothing special in 2011...."



"... you are in for a far heavier shock. And it won't be long before it happens...."



"...I very much doubt whether there's still some time left to save your beloved 'Britishness'...."



Someone with a complex?

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 11:29

Which ever way you look at it from the looting videos and pictures the majority of looters are black or ethnic.

They may have been born in uk and parents have lived here years, its not about skin colour its about being poor with no jobs lack of education and generally feeling shunned by the rest of society.

Lets face it a lot of white morons are roaming the streets as well.

I hate what is going on but boy are they getting some media and world attention.

simple answer get tough and then later invest and educate these people to repect peoples things and communities. Give them some hope and a chance of work help them not shun them.

I do hope the courts gibe out heavier sentences then normal for the hibitual criminals but get the youngster to repair and clean up the mess for themselves.

I am in favour of baton rounds .

yogi1


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 98

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 13:51

Dutch, I don't often agree with you but your spot on with your comments, Look at any news programme(even the left wing biassed BBC ) and the majority of rioters were black, nothing racial in that just factual. There not rioting for a "cause" just breaking the law and helping themselves to goods which are not there's i.e. stealing plain and simple. Your comments on Africa are spot on it's the most corrupt continent on earth, we give trillions in aid to feather the leaders swiss bank accounts and to buy new weapons, I say stop all aid till they sort it out let mother nature take it's course then they may be able to feed themselves, thy don't seem to have the energy to work but find enough to make baby's.

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 14:01

msg 78 and dutch



stop saying what you dont know.. how much have you or your country given to africa..somalia was in need and they needed £150 million no one was willing to help , so where did the trillions you speak of come from



and like i said earlier africa is a continent dont classify , be specific..there are countries that never needed aid. the wwestern big compainies and governments keep exploiting some african countries.. you are very ignorant..dont just say things you have no idea about.

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 14:04

your precious, civilised and perfect continents have no problems, africa is BAD ...now lets applaude europe..



GASH!!!

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 14:05

do you know the father of the internet? Philip emeagwali , he made it possible for the internet to be invented he is african specifically nigeria.. he made it possible for you to be able to chat on this forum..

Riddles


Joined: 26/04/2011
Posts: 429

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 15:49

Msg 78

There must be a lot of albino asians in Manchester, then, judging by last nights TV reports.

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 16:13

what was the report? riddles

U.S.HeliPilot


Joined: 10/08/2011
Posts: 2

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 16:21

Msg 81



wiki on YOUR "father of the internet":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Emeagwali



quote: "there is no evidence that Emeagwali's work was ever accepted for publication in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, nor that it had any other lasting impact on the field of high-performance computing or the development of the Internet.[7] Neither does he hold any recognized patents for his results."



quote "His thesis was not accepted by a committee of internal and external examiners and thus he was not awarded the degree. Emeagwali filed a court challenge, stating that the decision was a violation of his civil rights and that the university had discriminated against him in several ways because of his race. The court challenge was dismissed, as was an appeal to the Michigan state Court of Appeals."



2l;dr He seems to be claiming honors for something he didn't do.



Why are you propagating lies now? wait.. wait..



Post edited , you can't make a sweeping statement like that ........ Simbas

simbas



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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 16:25

Msg84 , edited for reason given

simbas

U.S.HeliPilot


Joined: 10/08/2011
Posts: 2

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 16:25

We in the U.S. had our race riots. Detroit has NEVER recovered after all the blacks looted the white owners stores. All the business owners moved out and now Detroit is a city that really isn't a city.



wiki on the riots: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Detroit_riot



Dutch is right, look at history or you are doomed to repeat it.

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 16:33

U.S.Helipilot.....edited for a "sweeping statement" ??

Since when has that been against the rules Simbas ?

If this forum is going to become "politically correct" I shan't bother with it in future!

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 16:43

I listened to an answer from a rioter on the news as to why he rioted and looted and he said something like......"because I can and the government can't stop me. All that will happen is that I will be told off at home".

Surely this says a lot about present day parenting, the education system, political correctness, weak policing which produces a lack of discipline in the young......of whatever ethnic group.

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 23:13

whatever.. so the whites are peacfull and perfect now geejay.. what happened when they started slave trade and make blacks work on farms and all i feel its nemesis ..

i am making this comment coz u geejay,dutch and the rest with your views are ( i dont have a word)

Blackbird



Joined: 11/08/2009
Posts: 1432

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 23:23

I have posted this on another post.....

I am fed up with the pathetic excuses from the Police. When are they going to take responsibility for what is happening in our cities...

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 23:51

blackie I think the gov now have to rethink, the police are told what they can say costra nostra x

Blackbird



Joined: 11/08/2009
Posts: 1432

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 00:04

Lilli - they have used that excuse too many times....It's time they did something...

trnclion


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 00:15

Count the black faces in the vidoes to the white faces and you can see for yourself who was mainly to blame, especially the London riots. In the coming days and months keep a count of the foreign names that go through the court process, you don't get many white boys called Ngongo Mwambi. I am absolutely feed up to the back teeth with people defending this scum, they want nothing to do with British society, they do not live by the rules as most people do and they feel that they can do as they please when they want. That also goes for the white scum who took part, scum is scum whatever the colour.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 00:19

RIP Broken Britain.. You went soft on discipline!.. You went soft on immigration! You went soft on crime.. Parents were told.. 'No you can't smack the kids'....Teachers were prevented from chastising kids in schools.. The police couldn't clip a troublemaker round the ear.. Kids had rights blah blah blah.. Well done Britain..You shall reap what you sow.. We have lost a whole generation!!    

Blackbird



Joined: 11/08/2009
Posts: 1432

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 01:10

No 1Doyen...you are far to close to the truth....

LaptaGeezer


Joined: 01/06/2010
Posts: 407

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 10:42

I am sure that in the end it was scum of all kinds that were rioting, stealing, committing arson etc... quite simple really... any that are arrested and found guilty that are immigrants, expel from the country immediately. Those that are 'British' should be dealt with, severely, through the courts as usual. That way any immigrants that are criminals can be removed from our society, not because they are black/asian/muslim/east european or any other such reason, but simply because they are criminal scum that do not appreciate the country they are living in.

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 11:01

Salford Council say they will evict tenants from their houses if they are shown on CCTV being involved in the riots, wait for the do gooders now "you can't do that".

LaptaGeezer


Joined: 01/06/2010
Posts: 407

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 11:24

I think that is a great idea, msg 97,.... and it is about time the 'Do Gooders' were told to wind their necks in! It is all this mamby pamby rubbish that has resulted in what we are seeing. No discipline, no respect, no real freedom of speech... it is a shambles and it the courts do not come down really heavily on these people then be assured that it will happen again.



Could you imagine the TRNC renewing someone's residency if they had been involved in the same kind of rioting out in Cyprus... you would be refused and would be sent home!

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 14:00

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Fq8aM9V&h=0AQAVF4QRAQCX0UPLJdz6rjWDhVaCGcWCzE56o2SUtxuezg police should compensate those whoe properties wer destroyed ...because they were meant to protect them its an act

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 16:01

lagosboy....message 89....the "slave trade" has been around for thousands of years. Especially in Africa where tribes have preyed on each other and sold their enemies to the Arab slavers. What the British gave to Nigeria and other countries was in their own self interest but also benefited those countries.

We gave them an international language (which you now use for your own purposes), Roads, Civic Buildings, Democracy (rarely used), Parliamentary and Bureaucratic processes to name but a few.

Oh....by the by, if you don't want farms to be worked......then you will starve !



Shades of "what have the Romans ever done for us ?"

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 16:14

Oh and bye the bye lagosboy. It was the British who first made the slave trade illegal.



And I know you're just trying to yank our chains but some naive people here are getting upset poor things.

cockneylondon



Joined: 07/04/2010
Posts: 25

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 16:25

check u tube london riots to see who was involved .

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 16:35

@ msg 72, NN: (...) mess 1 - all i know is that if we hadn't let all these "ethnic minorities" in in the forst place, there would have been no riots......... (...)

▶ And in which year would you like to start?



@ msg 76: (...) Someone with a complex? (...)

▶ No. Not me. Someone who knows what's he talking about from study and experience. And you?



@ msg 79, Lagosboy: (...) stop saying what you dont know.. how much have you or your country given to africa..somalia was in need and they needed £150 million no one was willing to help , so where did the trillions you speak of come from (...)

▶ Somalia (a broken state): the umptieth time in 21 years: "Help us". No, not me anymore. Let "nature" (tribal wars, bribery, war lords, taking 'taxes' of 20% of the aid that is sent to this lost country and continent) run its course. It's about time that Africa learns to stand on its own two feet. It'll be the hard way - but it's very necessary.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 16:48

@ msg 80, lagosboy: (...) your precious, civilised and perfect continents have no problems, africa is BAD ...now lets applaude europe.. GASH!!! (...)

▶ Gash? OK. Than stop asking for our Western European money and run your own continent.



@ msg 89, lagosboy: (...) i am making this comment coz u geejay,dutch and the rest with your views are ( i dont have a word) (...)

▶ The word you are looking for is "racist". The favourite word of people from a continent that is not able to take care of itself. I find it a cheap escape.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 16:51

@ msg 100, Geejay: (...) lagosboy....message 89....the "slave trade" has been around for thousands of years. Especially in Africa where tribes have preyed on each other and sold their enemies to the Arab slavers. (...)



▶ And to European slave traders (before someone says it, I will: including the Dutch) - The question is: are "we" (descendants of all the slave trading nations) responsible for the behaviour and deeds of long dead people from two, three hundred years ago? My answer is: no. So don't blame me or people in my time of life for it.

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 17:00

The reason we think it is mainly ethnic groups looting and causing mayhem is because nearly all footage, whether in the papers or on the news channels, are showing mainly ethnic groups! Maybe the media should be blamed?



"Fanatics are picturesque, mankind would rather see gestures than listen to reasons."

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 17:18

@ msg 106, Britvic: (...) Maybe the media should be blamed? (...)



▶ Of course! But how come I've heard that before..?!

But I suppose you're right. All British and foreign photo reporters and camera men were sent down the English streets with only one thing to remember: blacks and other non-white Brits only.

Stupid, by the way, because white looters make better, crisper pictures.

dearie


Joined: 08/03/2011
Posts: 142

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 11:12

Doctor W - don't take things personally - this debate is about those that collect the statistical information manipulating them NOT YOU - have a good day x

LaptaGeezer


Joined: 01/06/2010
Posts: 407

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 11:30

Police have decided to use new tactics if it happens again...... they will use the high powered water cannons but will add a little Persil to the mix.... they think it will stop the colours from running!!!!



and before any of you PC softies start whingeing.... this is called a joke!

millwallmik


Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 12:09

Post deleted , for its offensive remark and language........ Simbas

moxie


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Posts: 969

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 12:47

mssge 93 sums it up really

britvic



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Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 12:47

Have a look at this link from Sky News this morning where 4 black youths are admitting to looting, in fact so organised are they that they took a van and filled it several times...... They blame Comet (electrical store) for not giving them a job!



http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16048584

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 13:23

i'm fed up of reading peoples mumb comments about immigrants.. over half of these lads were white british and you all know that and most of the black guys were british too - you should refer to the youth of the communities rather than immigrants... and i ask a question? are you bitter about the ethnic minorities or the riots

simbas



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Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 14:26

msge 110 , edited for reason given

Simbas

LaptaGeezer


Joined: 01/06/2010
Posts: 407

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 14:38

I think that Lagosboy has had his stir and that this thread should be closed... how many times can the same arguements be repeated?! All who were involved are 'scum'... the fact that the majority that were seen on the television reports, in different areas, were black tells it's own story. All should be punished, and it is good to see that some councils are saying they will evict people that were involved. We shall see it they honour their words.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 14:56

*I* think Lagosboy made a valid point and hope the thread will be kept open - just hoping folk can post politely...