A very interesting article the GCs won't like

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 09:43

http://www.shelteroffshore.com/index.php/living/more/trouble-with-cyprus-11087

Simhar


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 09:59

very interesting and balanced, did I say balanced, an article about both North and South with a balanced view? maybe this is a little bit of history.

Hippo


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 10:16

Written witth very rose tinted glasses

pc4854


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 11:06

Sounded a bit like an estate agents blurb to me

trooper


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 11:14

Interesting piece Vaughan, certainly can't hurt us here in the north.

Sundance


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 11:28

A good post, But I don,t think the Bubbles will like, Thanks you TRNC Vaughan



Sundance

Marion


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 12:21

Yes, very balanced indeed and of course the writers are offering even greater in depth advice, which is good. \But (tongue in cheek) - what will they charge for the in depth advice.

However, I think it is good that osmeone is standing up for both sides. It can do us nought but good.

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 12:57

It has been picked up on 2 GC forums and they are pooh-poohing it, of course.

Marion


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 13:35

pooh pooh is probably rhe most appropriate description of their reaction.

ohmygoodness


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 21:28

It wasnt picked up vaughn you posted it on the eastern cyprus forum to cause a stir,a reaction you knew you would get.

EricCrapton



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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 21:35

Oh my goodness, is that where NN is hiding out?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 21:39

I thought it was a well written, well balanced article.

newlad



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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 21:41

Welcome to 44 ohmygoodness,



Paul.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
11/08/2011 01:05

Dear Bill



>> I thought it was a well written, well balanced article.<<



re msg 12 - you'll 'forgive me' if I wonder if you've been ( overly) imbibing..?



Jeez, and after writing an article like this would YOU trust this author to invest your dosh... ?



Some specifics.. the IPC hasn't exactly been 'tested' by GCs and this article seems to think the ECHR has solved the 'deeds' issue - I MEAN.. tell THAT to someone who bought on TR / Foreign title...



It is CLEAR that the 'TRNC' don't WANT overseas folk getting title for such properties..



>>If you want a low tax business destination then choose the south, but if you want to live somewhere with great hope, choose the North<<



Well 'they' got the first bit right... now if 'they' can convince someone to earn in the 'south' and live in the 'north' perhaps 'they' can tell me how you'd be taxed.... I still haven't had an answer to how TCs have their income treated - if they work in the 'south'...

Rottolover



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Message Posted:
11/08/2011 08:50

Hey Mark,



I thought it was a well-written and well-balanced article too, and I haven't been imbibing at all, let alone 'overly'.



No, I wouldn't trust this author to invest my dosh, but only because I wouldn't trust ANYONE to invest my dosh, if I had some to invest....



Some specifics...if ONE GC has applied to the IPC, isn't that 'testing' it? And I didn't see where the article stated that the ECHR has solved the deeds issue.



Finally, what you wrote as, apparently, an answer to the last quote seems to bear no correlation to its meaning. What I understood it to mean was that the south offered more tax advantages, whereas the north offered more hope for the future.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
11/08/2011 09:01

Mark,

I know you don't mean to cause offence but you are adopting the tactic used by other disruptive posters of attempting to rubbish someone's argument by inferring that alcohol is to blame. This is not acceptable board etiquette and you should apologise and desist.

As it happens, I thought the article anything but well written. Still no need for insults though.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
11/08/2011 11:47

re msg16 Groucho



I HOPE Bill and my 'relations' are such that he will appreciate that I was ribbing him ... I will be more careful, though - I certainly don't want to be associated with THAT sort of behaviour .. [ emoticon for embarrassed ] - thanks..



re msg 15



Allow me to explain !..



The IPC hasn't had enough GCs claiming and how many GCs have been 'allowed' to retake possession of land / properties currently 'occupied' ? I honestly don't know the latest figures.. but I think the 'pending a settlement' clause has bee used..







as to "I didn't see where the article stated that the ECHR has solved the deeds issue. "



didn't you see this ? :



>> that’s partly because of the title deeds dilemma. However, thanks to the European Courts, the issue has been all but solved. <<



THAT will be news to many folks waiting for 'ptp' .. :(



(cont)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
11/08/2011 11:48

cont from 17:



My last point related to the actual mechanism whereby someone resident in 'the north' can work in 'the south' - i.e. to whom does he / she pay tax.. and why would the non receiving tax regime be happy about that ?







I've asked this Q many times and NEVER had an answer...

Geejay


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Message Posted:
11/08/2011 12:49

6m's........Message 17......"The IPC hasn't had enough GCs claiming and how many GCs have been 'allowed' to retake possession of land / properties currently 'occupied' ? I honestly don't know the latest figures.. but I think the 'pending a settlement' clause has bee (sic) used.".

Hardly the IPC's fault since GC's were told by their government not to apply since it meant "recognition" of an illegal regime.

6m's... ..Tell me....Do you think that the TRNC is an illegal regime ?.



As to the Commissions decisions.....your view of "don't know the latest figures" but obviously convinced nontheless that they are not acting in good faith shows your prejudice against the TRNC.

Your "It is CLEAR that the 'TRNC' don't WANT overseas folk getting title for such properties.." Well..

as far as PTP & deeds go the TRNC government is considering a step towards a solution to that with the issue of ID cards giving a limited "citizenship"

Yes.. this article did give a balanced view of the Cyprus si

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
11/08/2011 13:30

Dear Geejay



re msg 19



'Thanks' I'm WELL aware of the stupidity of the RoC govt and others in positions of influence re both annan and the IPC.. but let's not get deflected.. *I'm* interested in hearing about ANY case were a GC got his her land / property back and could move in, and esp. if there were folk occupying said property..





It isn't even a 'regime'... you HAVE read the ECHR decisions ? - but I DO believe the TCs have a right to self-determination - esp. since their pro Annan vote .. *I* think the moves made by Denktash actually set back the TC cause - and many continued to leave AFTER TR 'arrived' .. You might have noticed that certain TCs members would really like the chance for CYPRIOTS to work things out - without 'our help' ?...



Regarding ptp and 'future moves'.. the article isn't NO WAY 'balanced' by neglecting to mention this HUGE issue...

Bradus


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Message Posted:
11/08/2011 13:33

This article did not show either side of Cyprus in a good light.Statements like:



"Having said that, North Cyprus doesn’t help foreign owners of property. We have friends whose homes have been foreclosed upon because the land on which their properties sit was remortgaged by the developer in the short gap of time it took for contracts to be exchanged and deeds to be issued.No one is helping them. They could lose everything"

This does not inspire confidence and would simply send potential buyers to investigate further which would confirm that buying in the North, like the South, is a risky business.



The IPC does little to reassure me that buying in the North is now safe. It has not been utilised enough. Settlements have centred on unoccupied land mainly and those that wanted restitution have simply met with referrals or non-settlement. Until the Government informs buyers that they have now settled on their exchange property, people also remain in the dark.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
11/08/2011 13:39

re 20 (cont)



'Regime' :



There was a case whereby GCs complained to the ECHR that they were wrongfully arrested and held by 'TRNC' police..



The ruling was such that whilst the 'TRNC' was NOT recognised as a nation - that those in power ( Turkey) had a right to police ..



I'm sure ErolZ will put me straight ....

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
11/08/2011 13:50

It is crazy to think that the police in TRNC are not legal. The de facto administration of the TRNC decides on all aspects of civil activity. Births, deaths, marriages, driving tests/licences, etc., etc. all are actual and exist in TRNC. If they weren't TRNC would just be a lawless free-for-all ( )

Once you accept this state of affairs, the rest follows.

ohmygoodness


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Message Posted:
11/08/2011 16:08

TRNCVaughan,I see you made no reply to my comment that you put that link on the other forum to cause trouble,like there is not enough of it going on around us.

Can i also ask why you posted it and what you thought you would gain from it apart from people insulting you for it.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
11/08/2011 16:27

Interesting

andre514


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Message Posted:
11/08/2011 16:57

the article does raise questions of "balance"

but perhaps not quite in the way mark posting in his message 14 portrays it,

in the first of his five contributions on the thread to date



in its ground rules the bbc seeks to present both sides of a controversy that permits

a fair hearing for each camp

...and thus allows the editor or mediator to act with proberty in an objective role



where this approach often fails in our "cyprus" debates, is those of with particular

motives may be somewhat less than objective, ie have an axe to grind or cherish

motives beyond simple altruism ie a viewpoint of their own, trading as "the facts"



for the intimately involved ie cypriots, turks, ex-pats etc., it would be asking an awful

lot to expect them all to pretend a dishonestly balanced view of cyprus issues



while the truly professional approach is to "declare an interest" before launching

comments if your goal is to appear objective, rather than of one view or t'other

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
11/08/2011 19:58

Syggest you all now re read it and pay particular attention to the comments.



It is no longer fiction.