First person to appear before magistrates (London Riots)

Tootie


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 15:38

The first person to appear before magistrates this morning, Alexis Bailey, 31, of Wye Street, Battersea, south London, was committed to Wood Green Crown Court, along with the majority of others. He pleaded guilty to burglary with intent to steal at Richer Sounds in Southend Road, Croydon on Monday. The BBC's Clive Coleman at Highbury Corner magistrates' court says his case is typical in that the magistrate committed him for sentence at the crown court. The reason for this is the magistrates' bench felt the riot was such an aggravating feature to the burglary that the crown court ought to sentence because they have additional powers. The magistrates felt that they had insufficient powers to sentence for a single count of burglary. They could only sentence for six months whereas that could be up to 10 years at the crown court.

PaulW



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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 16:02

The thing is Alexis Bailey is a primary school teacher..........................what chance for the young children of Britain.

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 16:05

The fact that he only got 6 months will pale into insignificance as he probably won't ever work again as a teacher. He will have a long time to reflect on what he has done, idiot!



Chris

JohhnyLee


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 16:26

Yes but Chris, won't that mean then that the taxpayer will finish up supporting him.



No win situation.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 16:33

Msg3, he did not get 6 months

if you read the op

it has been sent to crown court

parkview



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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 16:51

Oh and unfortunately surprise, surprise, what colour is he? well that sure sends a positive image to his students.

Panchocat


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 17:35

It says he is a primary school worker that does not necessarily equate to him being a teacher.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 17:41

Let's hope the crown court give him a long term.

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 17:48

"Most defendants on Wednesday morning pleaded guilty to their offences but, despite their crimes being serious enough to be committed to crown court for sentencing, many were given bail, often with an electronic tag.

One man who denied his charge was 19-year-old Adam Ozdas, from Hindrey Road, Hackney, who was accused of receiving stolen goods but said he found them on the road and intended to hand them in to police.

He was found to be in possession of a bottle of Southern Comfort, National Lottery scratchcards, tobacco, £90 in cash, and confectionery, the court heard. Ozdas pleaded not guilty and was granted conditional bail to appear again next month."



http://www.pressassociation.com/component/pafeeds/2011/08/10/magistrates_wade_through_riot_cases_1?camefrom=regional

deputydawg


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 19:20

I think it would be good if ways could be found to try them all in Crown Court or, at the least, those over 18 years of age, and give them swinging custodial sentences of perhaps 5 years plus. Oh, silly me, forgot for a moment that it would probably be necessary to make space for them first by early release of murderers, muggers, rapists etc. However, as they only show bravery when operating mob handed, 6 to a 1 man cell should make them feel at home !

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 19:28

Brian one liverpool lad when interveiwed when asked about the fear of going to jail, Noh he said the jails are all full. We all knew we wouldnt get caught x Wht did you do it they were asked, Coz we can.

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 20:11

An e-petition to downing street 78,000 signatures so far to stop benefits to any convicted rioter, need 1000,000 for it to get discussed.

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 20:11

sorry 100,000 (typo)

Lilli



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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 21:04

where do we sign, I totally agree with this

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 21:07

Can you please post a link to this site.

Turtle


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 21:16

I hear the courts are sitting throughout the night to try most of these cases ?

Glasbury


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 21:17

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/7337 I think this is the petition that has been mentioned.

Glasbury


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 21:20

I don't think that this link is accessible at present due to the rush to sign up !

Lilli



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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 21:26

Not even going direct on their webside will let you through, oh well I hope the get millions signing. will keep trying x

Tootie


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 21:37

It will make know difference, I hope they have more pressing matters.

Like avoiding this happening again.

By cutting benefits will only create more unrest.

Teresa


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Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 23:02

I still believe that all those arrested for these crimes should be made to do national service, we are paying to keep the majority of them in benefits anyway so what is the difference as far as cost is concerned and you never know after 2 years of army some might just come out with a bit of respect.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 23:08

Phil I really think after these deaths a hard stance will be taken, since when is it a human right that you get benefit, you wouldnt nor would many others after being out of the country so long. It all needs to change and maybe these roits will change they way this government and the one before treat them. When you hear a kis saying we do it coz we can and the jails are full, if my mum knows im here so what etc. Education needs to be looked at . The system needs an overhaul NOW

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 23:12

By the way did anyone notice as a friend pointed out. Not one bookstore was looted xshame coluld do with the new james patterson x

stubbs1


Joined: 07/08/2011
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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 23:12

Paul W. Not wanting to be a corrective type but Alexis Bailey is listed as a school mentor on the school web site not a teacher. Dosen't improve matters but takes the teacher bit out of it.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 23:13

thats where all the kids get their tips from their teachers - unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The problem is if they (poilce) take a hard line and the police 'kill' someone then they get banged up for manslaughter as has already happened their hands are tied with the nannie state we live in and as Nurseawful has said in another posting if they ( rioters) do get banged up they live a life of luxury in prison because the do gooders have seen to it that persons are nice and comfy and cozy for prisoners FACT !

Teresa


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Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 23:13

Liz i heard that kid he had no fear like all the rest but it seems to be a different story now they are getting them into court, heard a few cases today where they have cried when told they are being remanded.

sienna


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 23:15

off topic message to simbas halo slipped agian for aminute I think you know what I mean

Blackbird



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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 23:18

I am fed up with the pathetic excuses from the Police. When are they going to take responsibility for what is happening in our cities...

vikkicm


Joined: 17/05/2011
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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 23:20

If we brought back national service in Britain, wouldn't it be cheaper than keeping these mindless idiots in jail and probably teach them some discipline and appreciation of civility, which has up to now been the backbone of our nation? National service is still mandatory in many countries around the world, including TRNC, so why not UK?

stubbs1


Joined: 07/08/2011
Posts: 174

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 23:28

Would we really want this type of feral youth armed? Would we want our armed services tainted with ill discipline? Just because it was once a cheap way of boosting service numbers dosen't mean it works. There were still riots in the 40's.

stubbs1


Joined: 07/08/2011
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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 23:28

Lillie,

We are unkown to each other however the flippancy of your remark does tend to go against the overall consensus of this site which is to condem the rioting. " Not one bookstore was looted xshame coluld do with the new james patterson". Just think it's in bad taste.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 23:38

stubbs you are so right and as soon as I posted it I knew. I apologise unreservedly. It was wrong x I was wrong sorry x

stubbs1


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 23:39

Well done Lillie

Lilli



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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 23:45

No worries love, I feel for them all as we all do xx The poor people who had to endure this madness

Oxoners


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Message Posted:
11/08/2011 00:35

We should offer all those convicted 10 years in prison or 5 years in one of the armed services

stubbs1


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Message Posted:
11/08/2011 01:50

Oxoners,

I served for 22 years, why do you think that some feral youth would benefit by serving 5 years with HMAF or by having (presumably) a choice to serve 10 years in prison. The armed services is not a punishment! Why do people link life in the service as an alternative to a life of crime? We dont want the sh*t that society fails to engage. We want the brave and the loyal of this country. Sort out family life and then you may find the solutions your looking for.

Oxoners


Joined: 24/01/2008
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Message Posted:
11/08/2011 02:24

Because it might teach them some respect and that they cannot do what they want when they want. The idea was not to punish but to teach and to save the country some money, instead of us keeping them in prison where they learn nothing, try giving them some time with some positive people, you never know it might rub off

jamboree


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Message Posted:
11/08/2011 07:52

military service from a young age would help sort the youth out, but an option to do prison or army is not good for the british army as they have no disipline, manners or loyalty where would it get the army. the $hit youth would be scamming to steal a tanks,rockets, guns etc to sell to there crook friends on the streets. so mr stubbs is correct..the army would have olny been good to beat them off the streets at the start of all of this...

Carndi


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Message Posted:
11/08/2011 10:16

In years gone by people in court on minor charges would op to go into the forces and turned out ok BUT those people had, before entering HMAF the discipline that had been taught them at home,at school and in society.

Todays yobs have no discipline whatsoever and due to not being permitted to shout or say nasty things to the cretins sending them into the forces would not work. Those in todays forces are people who want to be there. Dennis Wheatly,the writer, wrote a paper at the end of the war on how the British forces should be re formed for the future. He said that the modern British forces should be like a private club where only those who wanted to be there should serve. The best of the best picked. Small but elite. That is what we have today.

Having served 27 years in the forces I can say without fear of contradiction that todays men and women in the forces dont want to serve alongside people like that and why should they.

hattikins


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Message Posted:
11/08/2011 10:47

People serving in the forces are honourable people who want to serve their country, the last thing they want is this bunch of uncontrolled cretins who have no respect for anything and no backbone either.

Unfortunately we also have a government ( not the first one) who do not have the balls to treat this scum as they should be treated, there are too many do gooders trotting out excuses for this riff raff and too many people who are stupid enough to believe it.

What is needed is some type of boot camp where they will be treated as they deserve and punished accordingly, not some half hearted community service or politically correct rehabilitation session. The parents of these youngsters should also be made to pay for some of the damage caused, if they had brought their kids up properly maybe this wouldn't have happened.

Come on Cameron, sort it out !

Panchocat


Joined: 29/11/2009
Posts: 1333

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 10:58

The sad fact is, that in many cases, it is parents who undermine the authority of the teachers.

Not all, I hasten to add, many parents do know the foibles of their offspring and are supportive.

But: You punish little Shannon, Skye, Summer, Bailey, Manny or Sonny and they are straight in to complain about you being too strict and, classic one this; " My child is scared of you"



Today's children are perfect or so it would seem!

The ones named after characters in TV soaps appear to be, in their parents eyes! "He/She wouldn't do that!" Is their war cry.

In cases I know the head teacher is afraid of parents and will support their apparent grievances and not the teaching staff.



The results we have seen clearly this week.



My middle son and his family have now returned to their central Croydon flat. Luckily it is intact.

My youngest son, who has completed two tours of duty in Afghanistan, is appalled at what he is now seeing in the UK.



The " It's my right society." Needs to c

Panchocat


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Message Posted:
11/08/2011 11:00

change IMHO.

stubbs1


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Message Posted:
11/08/2011 13:26

Panchocat,



I nearly fell of my chair laughing. "Shannon, Skye, Summer, Bailey, Manny or Sonny". Your right of course, totally. It reminded me of a young couple who were strangers to our church but were cannie enough to prepare their child for the future, knowing that they can't get him into the the nearest local school unless he was baptised. When they approached our priest, a shrewd old man with a wicked sense of humour. They answered Dakota Dexter, when asked what name did they wish to christen the child. Oh! that one seems to of escaped me said the priest. What was Saint Dakota the saint of? I belive he became a James.

Tonyta


Joined: 11/06/2011
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 13:42

Looking at two of the yobs leaving the courts, it was apparent that they had no respect for the courts nor did they seem bothered by what they had done. It is time for society's retribution to be swift and sure, as such I would recommend the introduction of the birch. The two yobbo's mentioned earlier would not have left the court in such high spirits nor would they have returned to their areas bragging about what had happened to them. I would also re instate the power of a police officer to hit a yob confronting him/her and using foul lanquage to abuse the officer.



Both of the above should serve as a deterrent to the jobs of today.

Quarmby


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Posts: 975

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 14:12

Blackbird Msg 28



Perhaps you should be directing your criticism for what has been going on, on the streets, to the parents of these scum. If they had been brought up with parental discipline perhaps the police would not have been required to sort them out.

Are you the one of those who always blames the authorities when things go wrong? Perhaps you should be pointing the finger at the ones causing the problem in the first place. With an attiude like yours it's no wonder things are going wrong!